Is the “I’m just doing TRT to get back to what my t levels would have been 50 years ago / in nature” answer mostly a cope, or is there some truth to it
Cope. Because t level don't correlate with age. Test doesn't decrease because age numbers go up. But if you get obese, sedentary, develope a shit ton of diseases, are a loser, than yea, it will go down. All these factors do correlate with age.
>>77338522It does decline, though not as much as people think. Difference between a 20 year old and a 50 year old is 15-20%. The real issue is that free testosterone, which is what matters for building muscle, declines much more because SHBG increase with age. Free test drops 30–50% between your 20s and 50. TRT corrects that.
>>77338522> blatant pseudo-science>>77338394Obviously there’s some truth to it but that doesn’t make it a smart decision. If you’re otherwise healthy and fit there is zero reason to take hormones. You’re exchange a boost in your physique for a whole slew of medical problems at an age where you can’t afford them.
>>77338904Actual TRT (100-150mg of test per week), and not instagram "TRT", will not cause you any medical problems.
>>77339012if youre t levels are fine, and most importantly you feel good overall, and then you take actual TRT doses of test (100-150mg per week) you will be shutting down your endogenous production of test just to be in the middle of normal range, in other words its retarded and a complete waste of time and money
>>77338601>he real issue is that free testosterone, which is what matters for building muscle, declines much more because SHBG increase with age. Free test drops 30–50% between your 20s and 50. TRT corrects that.It doesn't even decrease that much. Older men have remained in shape for decades without TRT. Age-related declines in joint and bone health and gradual loss of energy and endurance will kill gains long before a lack of testosterone does.>but low test causes those things!!!Alongside a billion other factors that high test alone will not eliminate.
>>77339028>It doesn't even decrease that much.It literally does.>Older men have remained in shape for decades without TRTYeah, maintaining is easier than building new muscle. That doesn't mean their free test hasn't decreased.>Age-related declines in joint and bone health and gradual loss of energy and endurance will kill gains long before a lack of testosterone does.Joint and bone health is connected to testosterone. Especially bone health.
>>77339028>>77339036PS that chart you posted is fucking retarded. A 20-year-old male with 270 ng/dl has serious problems.
>>77339036>It literally does.Let me rephrase: it isn't that impactful to a normal, healthy weightlifter. If your testosterone is low enough that declines in it kill all gains by 45 then you have a medical issue.>Yeah, maintaining is easier than building new muscle. That doesn't mean their free test hasn't decreased.See above. We're talking about hopping on a program that turns natural testosterone production off and is not to be taken lightly. You don't need massive amounts of free testosterone at an older age unless you want to look like a roid freak.>Joint and bone health is connected to testosterone. Especially bone health.I already predicted you JoJo-style, please read my post.
>>77339042>>77339045P.S. there's a range, dude. Feel free to find a different chart that you like more.
>>77339045>>77339047>Let me rephrase: it isn't that impactful to a normal, healthy weightlifter.This is just not true. If it weren't impactful, nobody would do trt.>See above. We're talking about hopping on a program that turns natural testosterone production offSo what? Do PCT if you want to get off. I blasted and cruised for 8 years without any breaks, and my testosterone levels were back to average in 2 months.>You don't need massive amounts of free testosterone at an older age unless you want to look like a roid freak.I don't think you understand what TRT is. The whole point is to have the testosterone levels you had as a young man, not to do a full-blown cycle.>I already predicted you JoJo-style, please read my post.I did. You deflected. Bone health is directly tied to testosterone and estrogen.>P.S. there's a rangeA dumb range. 270 ng/dl is death for a young man. The average is 600-700 ng/dl for men in their 20s. The median is actually around 400 in the west because everyone is fat and sedentary, but that's a separate topic.
>>77338394It is a cope but, hot news! nobody gives a fuck out there
>>77339064>If it weren't impactful, nobody would do trt.You're saying this as if anyone with a good body over 40 immediately hops on TRT, which isn't true.>I blasted and cruised for 8 years without any breaksAhhhh, you're a roider. Much is explained. Have a good one buddy.
>>77339075>You're saying this as if anyone with a good body over 40 immediately hops on TRT, which isn't true.No, I didn't say that at all. >Ahhhh, you're a roider. Correct. I have experience with the thing we're discussing. You don't.
>>77339083>Correct. I have experience with the thing we're discussing. You don't.Couldn't have said it better myself. Sorry about your low test levels anon.
>>77339042This.
>>77338394Here's what is wrong with the culture of steroid use.Yes, modern society fucks testosterone in a million different ways. It's too low in the vast majority of men. It's affecting their masculinity in ways that the male body relies on testosterone for male-typical behaviour and physical traits.Restoring testosterone to adequate levels restores this functioning in most men.This has led to the mistaken belief that testosterone is the "man-hormone", and that more testosterone is more manliness. This is unfortunately not how it works.Raising testosterone restores male-typical behaviour because it's too low in most men, not because more testosterone = more male. Being masculine, as one would be in nature, is the result of a package of hormones and processes. Being masculine is this package, testosterone is part of this package. Testosterone is not masculine. A few examples>Estrogen starts sperm production. No estrogen, no manlihood. Suppressing estrogen in puberty is the reason some influencers are sterile. Forever.>Estrogen in the female body is made from testosterone. It's the building block for estrogen.>In animal species where females are dominant, their testosterone levels are higher than in males.>In brains of males and brains of females, there are certain areas that are different (male-typical, female-typical). About 60% of male-typical brain areas are controlled by estrogen. Testosterone is delivered there and locally converted. Estrogen in the blood cannot reach these areas. Suppressing estrogen production in puberty and adulthood suppresses male-typical behaviours.95% of people who use steroids have no clue. Some developments can only happen once, some damage cannot be reversed. Most of it stems from the mistaken belief that more testosterone = more masculinity, and that estrogen equals femininity.pic related is the presence of estrogen receptors (ER) and aromatase (conversion of testosterone into estrogen) in cells in male testicles.
>>77339100I'm at around 600 ng/dl currently. A year and some change completely drug free. Feel free to cope though.
Nobody gives a fuck if a guy is doing coke and drinking to feel good, nothing wrong witg a guy getting on trt so he can do better in the gym and feel good in a different way. Don't see it as something to hate on. Do it after you've had kids though.
>>77339022So genetic modification that allows the body to produce its own test and GH boosts is the future
>>77338394I don't really give a shit and the only reason you do is because you get mogged to shit by roiders I'm guessing.
>>77339759Yeah your defensiveness over a neutral question gives me no doubt Of your confidence for sure
>>77338394I feel like nobody actually answered OP’s question. The discussion has become about age, whereas OP was asking about time period. A 30-year old today has significantly less testosterone than a 30-year old in 1980. Why isn’t anyone talking about this? I consider it fair game for anyone in 2026 to roid, just to get what their grandpa had for free growing up naturally.
>>77339820It's insulting that the notion is even up in the air.
>>77339955Now overlap it with obesity graph and sedentary lifestyle graph
>>77338394Test declines but its also a bit of a cope since TRT doesn't follow the natural test cycle of being high / elevated after sleep, being elevated after exercises and declining during the day. It just stays constant until it slowly leaves your body and takes your test to 0 eventually as your own production shuts down. Hcg does prevent that to some extent though.>>77339064True. When I had it tested at 18 I had it at 1180 ng/dl. I think the upper range of 950-1000 can be exceed for a bit.
>>77339738>So genetic modification that allows the body to produce its own test and GH boosts is the futureAnon, that's already how it works. The genetic modification is your ancestors surviving and passing on their genes, and faggots who didn't make the cut not passing on their genes. 100,000 years ago, 1,000,000 years ago, 10,000,000 years ago. We don't need to "modify" or "improve" or "upgrade" anything. It's already been in the works so long, the system is so much more advanced and complex than any of us can come up with. Our primitive way of life fucks it up. It just needs to be restored to normal functioning. Throwing more of our primitive lack of understanding of these advanced systems will only fuck them up more.
>>77339955It's also all the crap in the food and water.
Worry about u
