>"the lifting of weights is so much superior for the purpose of improving the cardiovascular condition of a human being that whatever is in second place is not even in the running, no pun intended. That is to say, running is a very poor, a very dangerous, a very slow, a very inefficient, a very nonproductive method for eventually producing a very limited, low order of cardiovascular benefit.">"Any, ANY, result that can be produced by any amount of running can be duplicated and surpassed by the proper use of weight lifting for cardiovascular benefits.">"Now I realize that there are hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions of people in this country who don’t understand that, who don’t believe that, who will not admit that. Now these people are simply uninformed.">"Certainly, it’s possible to run with no benefit, it’s possible to lift weights with no benefit. I’m talking about the proper use of weight lifting; and properly applied, weight lifting will improve your cardiovascular benefit to a degree that is impossible to attain with any amount of running."
My mom spends about 30 minutes to an hour walking on a treadmill in her work gym. It's done nothing for her and I think she's actually gained weight because she rewards herself with treats after a walk. I haven't been able to convince her to count calories or watch what she eats (even though she's seen me lose 60 lbs over two years of CICO). She's already committing to time in a gym, maybe I could convince her to do something else instead. What would be a good, simple routine for a 50+ year old woman with bad knees? I know you can out lift a bad diet but she might as well get strong if she's going to be fat.
>>77339013Can't* out lift a bad diet Jesus
>>77338985Not true. Cardio, as in running, walking, stair master etc., is steady state cardio. Raising your heart rate constantly for an extended period. This is not replicated by lifting.
>>77339018"Raising your heart rate constantly for an extended period" is not an adaptation and the pathways it engages to drive adaptation are not reliant on heart rate being raised for a long period of time, they're reliant on ampk and lactate/hydrogen ions, and you can produce those with barbell or exercise bike or sprinting or burpees or whatever, done tabata style.
>>77338985>that was not the PROPER use of weight lifting
>>77338985>“I’ve shot 630 elephants and 63 men, and I regret the elephants more,” he once said.That guy lied a lot.Doug McGuff MD is probably the closest thing to this surviving today. Although his primary application of it is for old people/fat people or people with various cardiac complications that can't do conventional forms of cardio without a lot of risk.The method: machine lifts, with extremely long concentric and eccentric phases done once for each major movment category push, pull, leg push and usually hip hinge.How he said it supposed to work is through something called the skeletal muscle pump. Where oxygen demands and vascular compression force blood towards the heart. Since it's a closed loop this elevates the heart rate without making it work harder to do that.I don't know if Doug is also a grifter but I don't know anyone who's on this stuff besides that one fruit.
>>77339058>"Raising your heart rate constantly for an extended period" is not an adaptationYes it is.>or exercise bikeSo steady state cardio?
>Litterally one of our most impressive superpowers>We are the only mamals who can breathe at a different rythm as our pace>It allows us to run non stop, we even sweat so that our bodies dont overheat like other mamals while we run>litteraly how our ancestors hunt, alongside our capacity to throw rocks precisely>"no! its dangerous! we're not meant to run!"Holy shit this is some cope. Some fat fuck wrote this huffing and puffing after climbing a few flights of stairs. >"weightlifting does the same thing as running"Weightlifting wont make you run better. Imagine forsaking our ancestral superpower because you're a lazy fuck.Pathetic.
>>77339058You can raise your heartrate while lifting if you work out the right way. I like just lifting until failure with one muscle group 1-4 exercises, then move on to the next group, and then the next with only like a minute or two break inbetween. If you make it to the end you loop back around to the first one and keep cycling until your arms/chest, Core/back, and legs are all pooped at the same time, and then you quit.It keeps your heart-rate high and give you a whole-body workout.
>>77339649but running is good too, I like being fast.IMO dancing is the superior cardio workout and much more fun. but that's just me
>>77338985the cardiovascular benefits of weight lifting plus running mog either alone, but overdoing it literally give you a fib, look up the studies on marathoners.
>>77338985Okay, what's the lifting routine that will get me to 40 BPM?
>>77338985Cardio takes about a month for me to get to 80% of my potential. I'm not going to go beyond that at the expense of a ton of gains. And no I didn't spend half of my life lifting while never daring to "looth my abth."
>>77339013Post mom
>>77338985Lifting doesn't really improve any of the resting cardiovascular standards. VO2max (the stereotypical thing used to test fitness in this field) is primarily improved with long-slow training. However, VO2max gains basically top off after a year and then it even degrades a bit when athletes in peak contest condition due to the fatigue from training. The main mechanism that improves endurance athletes is their local muscular endurance which is through stuff like increased capillarization of muscle fibers while staying compact to maximize the efficiency of oxygen/blood flow.Using VO2max as a catch-all standard of "health" is retarded and based on stupid reasoning because studies will compare high VO2max (lean athletes) with low VO2max (could be anything from a 600lb dude to a gold medalist Olympic weightlifter) and then correlation = causation takes place. The same health benefits are found with lifters in other studies, it's just that old heads can't get rid of old myths. I stress this point because dyels are obsessed with running performance to cope with their 2pl8 deadlift but none of these morons are going to callout an Olympian strength athlete's fitness.I do know the specifics of Arthur Jone's system of training and he taught people to do long circuits on his machines, with no-to-minimal rest in between stations. Circuit training helped him sell equipment because circuit training demands a number of stations that can be quickly moved to and most of his equipment had at least dual exercises. Circuit training itself is inferior to isolated strength training for strength/muscle and inferior to long-slow for cardiovascular adaptations. However, circuit training is a middle ground for cardio gains and much more specific to people who just want to get strong, big muscles and generally be more useful in random activities. It's not completely useless.I will agree that if you had only 1 hour a week to dedicate to training, weights are much better.
>>77338985>kike israetal running video
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>>77338985All bullshit.
>>77340648He was based
