I am a poorfag, so I have volunteered for a paid study where I have to eat vegan for a year, but alongside this want to continue lifting. If eat 200g of protein daily from basedslop, seitan, and textured veg protein, is there any reason I won’t get the same gains as eating chicken and eggs. I know there were memes about and getting titties from onions, but haven’t these been proven just to be BS. At the end of the day, a moose or a horse or an elephant gets all their muscle from plants, so it must be possible right?
>>77339160The problem is the sheer amount you will have to eat
>>77339160Sorry, this larp isn't believable. 1/10 you tried.
Meat doesn't have any magic aminos and DIAAS is egg industry bullshit with zero practical consequence. glhf
>>77339160I am vegan and I am still very muscular. Just get your protein in.
>>77339160Onions based protine is a complete amino acid so just use that and u won't get tits that's fake
>>77339160I eat about a block of t0f(((ew))) every week and don't have tiddies, but the amount you are proposing could be a problem from all the isoflavones and it's not B.S. at very high intakes.
>>77339160Are you willing to spend hundreds of dollars per month on autistic supplementation to cope for the nutritional deficiencies of the vegan diet? If your answer is no then you're going to lose your gainz. Vegan diets are notoriously deficient in creatine in particular. There really is no omega3 in vegan diets. Vegans like to hype up shit like flaxseeds because some idiots in nutrition like to call a precursor to omega 3 that has an awful conversion rate of less than 5%. But it really is garbage when conversion rates are taken into account. Vegans generally have terrible n6:n3 ratios. Also the tendency for vegans is to lose mass in general. They tend to turn into a 25% BF skinnyfats unless they roid. If you do not have vitamin B12 problems and your diet has been rich in B12 for your life, you liver should be storing about 2 years worth so that shouldn't be an immediate issue. That's of course not to mention the variety of "non-essential" nutrients found in meats that still need dietary sources for gainz.>>77339292It's not. Söy and other beans tend to be deficient in methionine. You need to compensate for it with methionine rich protein sources.>b-but non-essentialIn practice people have improved health outcomes from having dietary sources of all nutrition compared to only worrying about the "essential" ones. Most of the time when the body produces nutrient it is in the long term inadequate in quantity for long term health. For instance, glycine is another example. In spite of glycine being non-essential people still often will have improvements in hair, nail, and skin quality if supplementing collagen or another source of glycine. The other issue with beans is the reality that the typical tests uses to determine quantities of protein, especially nitrogen, cannot distinguish between crude nitrogen and real protein. Beans have quite a bit of crude nitrogen.
>>77339160Just eat alot of food and lift weights, fag.
>>77339326Holy schizo. I supplement for less than a euro a week and am vegan. B12 costs like 10€ for 200. Most of my supplement costs are nonessential anyways, you know those bubbly multi vitamin tablets you put in water that make soda kinda drink, so I drink those if I want soda. Those cost 1€ for 20. That's it.
>>77339326You’re fucking retarded, flesh-eater. I am very muscular.
>>77339160if only someone done a one year study to find out
>>77339667Post muscular butthole
>>77339160Can't you at least get vegan protein powder? I'm pretty sure that exists.As >>77339183 said, the problem is the insane amount of food you have to eat to reach 200g protons as a vegan. Veggies or whatever the fuck you wanna eat is very filling for fairly low protein content (in comparison to normal meat/fish products).
>>77339160Plant foods are malnourishing, both in terms of poor bioavailability and in terms of nutrients just being missing entirely. They're also toxic depending on your tolerance. So you end up having to eat a lot of food which is how so many of them end up with gut issues and why they're on the toilet so often. You can eat as much as you want but you'll never get adequate nutrition even with supplemenation.I think it was a dumb idea to sign up unless you were homeless or something. If you actually care about your health and/or gains then going vegan can have drastic health consequences that take years from which to recover.
>>77340620imagine just writing shit on the internet
>>77339485>>77339667>>77340925>>77339160Eat lots of ezekiel bread, Jews are pretty fucking smart, they helped transform Europe into havens of diversity and make white people support body positivity.Unironically though, the sprouting process reduces any antinutrients and phytotoxins. Coconut will also be good because you get real fat that the body can use (gorillas ferment fiber into saturated fats with their extremely long intestines). Creatine will be good, choline as well which vegans are deficient in is essential for brain function, and glycine for joint and skin health, all should have vegan supplementation options.
>>77339160How much you being payed?
>>77339160There are plenty of bodybuilders who meet all of their nutritional requirements on a plant-based diet. The main concern is getting enough Vitamin B12, which are commonly added to supplements. If you are aiming for 200g of protein per day, you will likely need some kind of supplemental protein to get there, which will probably include necessary vitamins as part of the supplement.
>>77341059https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0022316623016103>macronutrient profile of the western lowland gorilla diet, as a percentage of daily energy intake, would be fat 2.5%, protein 24.3%, carbohydrate 15.8% and >short-chain fatty acids (SCFA) 57.3%https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/medicine-and-dentistry/short-chain-fatty-acid>Short-chain fatty acids (SCFAs) are organic SATURATED fatty acidsEver wonder why Indians have a fetish for consuming dung? https://www.nature.com/articles/s41396-020-0711-6>Many small mammals engage in coprophagy, or the behavior of consuming feces, as a means to meet nutritional requirements when feeding on low-quality foods. In addition to nutritional benefits, coprophagy may also help HERBIVORES retain necessary gut microbial diversity and functionhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarianism_by_country>A small number of religious centers in India have banned all meat sales within municipal boundaries. >Since 1956, Rishikesh has banned meat, fish, and eggs.[1] In 2014, Palitana banned meat sales.[2] All vegetarian locations in India are:https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/life-style/food-news/india-has-the-highest-number-of-vegetarians-report/articleshow/105715825.cms>A recent report from the World Atlas has compiled a list of countries with the highest rates of vegetarianism. According to the report, India claims the top spot, with 38 percent of its total population identifying as vegetarians.
>>77341087Vegetarianism can be admirable, veganism is short-sighted suicide.
>>77341085>which will probably include necessary vitamins as part of the supplement.Just to clarify, you're saying that a majority of protein powders contain vitamins.
>>77341094And then you looked at the health outcomes and denounced that retarded claim based on nothing. Right?
>>77341087Associating some hindus eating cow shit to implied vegetarian diet deficiencies sure is novel carnishill approach. Haven't seen that one before. Relies bigly on ignorant audience not knowing cows are sacred to hindus and some also drink cow piss (not explainable by coprophagy). But whatever it takes, huh? Question is why.
>>77339160On the 1% chance this is a serious question, or if anyone else reading is actually curious. Protein "quality" is judged by essential amino acid content. The amino acid you mostly care about for protein synthesis is leucine, which is not deficient in any vegan protein source that I know of. Instead, they'll lack something like methionine or tryptophan, which you get just by consuming other sources of protein. "Bioavailable" protein is meme because slow digesting protein is just as important as fast digesting protein, if not more important because when your body needs aminos, it will not wait for you to "feed" it again. Excess aminos gets pissed out.One cup of cooked tofu is 3g of leucine. One pork chop is about 4.5g of leucine. The differences are marginal when comparing the overall diet. The reason there aren't as many vegan bodybuilders is because 1. Bodybuilding has an intense follow-the-leader culture2. Most vegans seem to get into cardio because of believed heart health benefits, and their high carb diet promotes lots of glycogen storage which has notable benefits for runners. There's a synergy there for them.I'm not vegan (idgaf about killing animals honestly) but I get tired of seeing this bullshit that they just get "nothing" from working out. It's completely false.Side note: I see a lot of "gotcha" shit about creatine. Creatine is not an essential nutrient and is synthesized from glycine and arginine (high in plant foods). The benefits of supplementation are true regardless of if you eat meat or not. Most people aren't vegan, yet they still take creatine.
