>makes a worse SS>no performance of note in strength sports>no students of note in strength sports>says stupid shit constantly, like "you cannot buy bumper plates in Belgium">confuses the fuck out of noobs about barbell rows>becomes a millionaireI mean, he doesn't have an interracial cuckoldry fetish, but that's not exactly relevant to his coaching. Why is this guy so popular?
>>77341020At the time Stronglifts was becoming popular, Rippetoe was having a hard time marketing Starting Strength. He (Rippetoe) fucked around with Crossfit for a while before essentially leaving the movement to start his own thing, and he's not good at it. He's got some popularity now because he likes to make controversial statements about the "warh ohn death" from his pulpit, where's he's safe, but he was always a local gym owner who wrote a book. The book is the bible of barbell training, but it's just a book.Meanwhile, Mehdi started from the same place Rippetoe did (Reg Park), or at least he says he did after being called out on it. But he also had a friendly website and seemed to know what he was doing, and of course any noob is going to gain from barbell training even if they develop habits that eventually disable them. So search for "barbell strength training" (whatever) maybe ten or twelve years ago and his website would bubble to the top, not Rippetoe's book.
>>77341066>"warh ohn death"War on death? What?
>>77341020Idk his website was far more accessible than buying a book, and entertaining to read, so I did stronglifts when I started. No ragrets.
>>77341066Just goes to show that a good product is fucking nothing without proper marketing.I once say a video of several neat idea/product patents of real life inventions that resolved issues at the time (most of them were old) and never went anywhere because they came from 1 guy with no marketing budget and failed spectacularly to a point where we don't even know they exist today.
>>77341066>Mehdi started from the same place Rippetoe did (Reg Park)I feel like Bill Starr was a much bigger influence on Rip than Reg Park. SS seems to be built around progressing a couch potato to a point where they can do one of those football style workouts, which often includes a lot of power cleans.Mehdi seems to have just taken the simplified "Starting Strength" floating around the internet that only resembles the first phase, added 2x5, and called it a day.
>>77341118Yeah, that's true. Rippetoe talks a lot more about Bill Starr than Reg Parker. Reg Park was Arnold Schwarzenegger's mentor.>Mehdi seems to have just taken the simplified "Starting Strength" floating around the internet that only resembles the first phase, added 2x5, and called it a day.The Stronglifts retcon is that Mehdi based it on Reg Park's 5x5 to insulate it from that very criticism, which I alluded to above, but we all know that (what you said) is what really happened.
>>77341070>War on death? What?No, the "Warh ohn death". Tell me you don't listen to the Starting Strength podcast without telling me. I mean, there's nothing wrong with that, but you probably won't understand without context. During COVID the thin veneer of respectability Rippetoe managed to acquire over the previous several years was stripped away, revealing him to be the person he really is.
>>77341165Just explain what "warh ohn death" is supposed to mean.
>>77341158>Reg Park's 5x5This is really very different. Whereas Stronglifts is literally just SS but with two more sets added.
>>77341165>During COVID the thin veneer of respectability Rippetoe managed to acquire over the previous several years was stripped away, revealing him to be the person he really is.So you are a pro lockdown vaxfag, is that what you're mad about?Also I don't recall hearing about the 'war on death' ever on the podcastBut I suppose that makes sense, Rippetoe's whole thing is strength training for the general population for general health purposes, if that's what it's referring to.
>>77341201Yeah, Mehdi is bullshitting. Even the Reg Park Beginner 5x5 (without the phases) has a few key differences like alternating (high bar) back squats and front squats, bent over rows as a deadlift accessory - and almost certainly not Pendlays given the time period, and accessory work in general.Mehdi wouldn't address the power clean question if he wasn't just ripping off SS.
>>77341203Lighten up, Francis.Rippetoe is a faux-libertarian who believes that the government shouldn't be allowed to tell him what to do with his business (his right to believe that, even though he's wrong), and also that he should be able to make that decision for every other business owner too. He's a very modern libertarian.>>77341203>Also I don't recall hearing about the 'war on death' ever on the podcastDuring COVID he wouldn't shut the fuck about it. He seemed pretty happy with his decision to accept personal risk (again, his right to believe what he wants), but also to make that decision for everyone else. Again, he's a very modern libertarian.Maybe keep your fucking mouth shut next time if you're going to be such a bitch about other people making decisions for themselves. You're as bad as those tranny fucks.
>>77341270>and also that he should be able to make that decision for every other business owner too.What are you referring to>During COVID he wouldn't shut the fuck about it. He seemed pretty happy with his decision to accept personal risk (again, his right to believe what he wants), but also to make that decision for everyone else.So... by not doing the lockdowns he is "making a decision" for everyone else by spreading the hecking coviderino? Is that what you're saying?
>>77341201>phase 3>54 sets>162 minutes of rest per session>54 minutes of lifting>one session takes 216 minutes / 3.5 hours
>>77341165>Tell me you don't listen to the Starting Strength podcast without telling me.*is a healthy well-adjusted individual*
>>77341066SS is much more theoretically sound than SL. SL makes concessions to dyels who don't want to do power cleans when those should be a part of any barbell strength(!) program. SS knows how the squats help deliver the volume needed for improving the deadlift. I just checked SL's main site today and it's still trying to sell apps and has dyel programs like a dumbbell cardio circuit for moms so he's fully chasing that money.Another anon is mentioning it already but SL removed power cleans from Bill Starr's work to make it more marketable to dyels scared of learning how to lift. It represents the fundamental dishonesty that program is built off of, while Rippetoe could have easily chosen to replace power cleans with curls and get all the 140lb kids singing its praises. I think Reddit banned that routine for a while because it didn't program their heckin' rows to novice lifters.Also, 5x5 is too many fucking sets for sets across. Bill Starr's program used them as progressively ramping to a top set on the "heavy" day. SS/TM just use straight sets with a modest amount of sets to make it less confusing but also not an unreasonable amount of volume for the intensity, like SL/Madcow does. You can call me a pussy (oh no!), but something has to give to make the extra volume possible, which is going to be the weight on the bar.>>77341917Nobody posting random infograms from third party sources that claim to be "the routine" of some random celebrity actually read the shit. I took this straight from the book but I bet if I googled it, they would give me some nonsense.
>>77341165>I don't like his politics so his theories on training are invalid>>>r/fitnessI think he's a dipshit too but his deadlift cue is still the best deadlift information on the internet. I sitll see people doing that roll-in shit.
>>77341066This. And Mehdi also had the whole Youtube fitfluencer spiel figured out before it exploded and went to shots. >show lifts with decent weights>amateur mode production>shot in some random shitty basement>no „Hey guys, Jeff Calamari here“ bs>no „guys, look at my body. guys!“ bsBasically, he came across genuine enough to pull in noobs.
>>77342214Yeah he makes it easy and accessible. Whereas Starting Strength is literally a textbook, with physics diagrams and stuff. I don't know why he hasn't written a simplified, user friendly version. It's kind of absurd to give that book out to people who are new to barbell training.
>>77342455>why he hasn't written a simplified, user friendly versionBecause „here’s how everybody and their dog can do X“ isn’t the same type of book as „here’s is how you do X definitively correct“. Ripp wanted to write the latter pretending it’s the former.
>>77341165>Tell me you don't listen to the Starting Strength podcast without telling me.
>>77342033Yeah, I don't think Pendlays are an actual substitute for power cleans, and SS and Starr-derived football programs use them as a lighter alternative to deadlifts. A Pendlay row does not do the same thing at all.If you want to omit the skill of the catch, high pulls make more sense. If you are operating on the assumption that trainees don't have bumper plates or a platform, but want something with less CNS fatigue than a DL, something like a 5x5 RDL makes more sense for the role of a power clean substitution. Pendlays make no sense.
