What does /fit/ think of nofap? I tried it and genuinely couldn't stop myself from beating my meat for more than a week. Does that mean I have an addiction or is that just a normal and healthy physiological need like eating and sleeping? I have a coworker that goes to church and he claims he hasn't jacked off in years and genuinely stopped having urges after a while. I don't know what to think about it.
>>77341537i love to jerk off to lesbian ass licking, imagining the taste and smell of their beautiful buttholes
not watching porn is a fine goaloccasionally going a week or two without fapping might give you a more assertive edge, maybethats it. everything else is engagement baiting snake oil packaged and sold to gullible idiots by internet conmen
>>77341537It's more healthy than not. You're not getting steroid use results. You will be more energized. At the end of the day, semen is snot and your body is producing it constantly anyway. Have a healthy diet and retaining it for nutrition isn't much of any kind of boost. Find something to do like play a video game or instrument if you're horny. Obviously working out too but I'm assuming you're doing that anyway and you're not doing 8 hour arms occupy your entire day. It's more psychological than any bodily. Read up on Tesla's opinion on abstinence.
>>77341537>What does /fit/ think of nofap?Try it and find out. The subpopulation that gets the most from it are neurotic religious guys that aren't getting laid. If you don't have a some guilt complex about porn, you probably won't reap any benefits.>Does that mean I have an addictionNo. Short answer is that not all compulsive behaviors are addictions, self identified porn addicts can't define what porn addiction is, it doesn't meet enough criteria to be addictive, and studies suggest the causal relationship flows the other way - people with mental health problems jerk off a lot rather than the inverse.> I have a coworker that goes to church and he claims he hasn't jacked off in years and genuinely stopped having urges after a while.Some combination of socially acceptable lies, being old with a reduced libido, and religious observance, especially for older single men, selecting for men with low sex drives.It would probably be good for you, but that's because there are a lot of neurotic people with guilt complexes about porn and masturbation in the broader redpill online ecosystem. Chances are, it won't do anything.
>>77341553>being old with a reduced libidoThe guy I'm talking about is in his 20s and he's very extroverted and outgoing which is something that usually makes a person really horny (happens to me at least).>t would probably be good for you, but that's because there are a lot of neurotic people with guilt complexes about porn and masturbation in the broader redpill online ecosystem. Chances are, it won't do anythingI don't really care about any of that. I'm just worried that I might really have an addiction.
>>77341565Get a dozen self-described porn addicts in a room and they can't come up with a consistent definition of what constitutes the addiction. And it doesn't meet the diagnostic criteria, in particular for the most quantifiable of dependence.And from your worrywarting itt, I would suggest that you do in fact have a neurotic disposition.
'Masturbation is healthy and natural' is a globohomo psyop. There was a book in school when I was nine or ten which had a confused little timmy wondering if it's okay to wank his little benis. Yes timmy, yes. Do it timmy. It's fine. You know you wanna do it timmy. Do it. So.. I did. We all did. We were lied to. Now we have a generational loneliness incel fucktard epidemic. You must save your sexual energy and passion for the woman who you don't currently know who is out there and who will fall in love with you one day, and your life will be all the better for it. Your cooming days are done timmy. Be free.
>>77341626The biggest poonhounds and players I've known openly talked about porn and jerking off. At best, it's an ancillary factor to attraction.
>>77341588This man is not your friend. Back when I was a goon executive if I ever happened to overhear a conversation of girls talking about their intimate relations I would want to kill myself. It destroyed my self respect as well as my energy, and I knew that it was, and I still couldn't stop. How's that for criteria you fucking goblin faggot.
>>77341629Yeah you can be addicted to real sex too. You can even make a lifestyle out of it and get worshipped like a demigod or a prince by millions of retards.
>>77341553Totally, the key is not to care and enjoy it if you want it's the neurosis around it that makes it a problem
>>77341636Hahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha bro I goon every day and if I hear girls talking about giving head I pop a big boner and go into the outlet mall like a human u gotta chill
>>77341636Sounds like being a depressed, bitter, lonely faggot caused you to jerk off as a compulsive behavior. Have you tried addressing being a depressed, bitter, lonely faggot, instead of the result of being a bitter fag.
>>77341629>>77341652So look at this woman. I can clearly see that she is in a state of need. She's got the looks, she's probably got the miney, she's banging superstars and she is not fulfilled. She'll say that she is, think that she is, because she's insane, because everyone is insane. She knows no different because the values we used to have are now gone. If you can't see what I'm talking about you need to save the picture and not milk yourself for a while, I promise after a few months you'll be able to see it.
>>77341660>guy wants to kill himself>laugh at himYeah, you're healthy.>>77341661It's called a vicious cycle. Many such cases. Yeah I had self hatred. This was years ago, anyway.
>>77341588kys fAGGOT
>>77341537Being so Weak that can’t control yourself. The only way is to cum inside hot bitch girls.
>>77341676>It's called a vicious cycle. Many such cases. Yeah I had self hatred. This was years ago, anyway.I think it's because people want something that can be easily gamified like "X Days Since Coom", but this gamified system doesn't address the disordered and unhappy place from which compulsive masturbation comes. In part, because I think trying address what's often a lack of intimacy, exposes them to real vulnerability and the dread that they might, in fact, be unworthy or invisible to love. Sharing your NoFap streak like it's Duolingo is comparatively easy and has no real consequences.
>>77341652No you really can't. The vast majority of compulsive sexual behavior doesn't fit the full diagnostic criteria for addiction of compulsion, obsession, impulsion, and dependence.Basically, all the "porn/sex addiction is real bro" guys try to define this through a dose-response dependency that does not exist when actually observed.
>>77341693this is your brain on jewish science
>>77341690Yeah that's interesting. I came from a very unhappy fatherless home. I remember how it started actually. I was on the livingroom computer with my mother and sister screaming at eachother behind me, and I thought damn if I just go to sleep now I'll wake up in the night and I could just look at porn for hours. So that's what I did. By 15 I had hair halfway down my back, anemia, had parasitic worms for over a year, lice in my hair to a degree sauron would have been proud of, dropped out of school to play warcraft, jerking my dick for hours while raiding, basically ejaculating nothing but dust over and over, never got dressed just wrapped a duvet around myself if I had to leave my room to get food. There was literally a rock hard patch of cum where I used to let it dribble out under my chair and soak into the carpet. So yeah I had a lot of problems. Maybe if you're not that kind of guy and you're still sort of connected to the world at least somewhat you can have a wank now and then, but if you're me and you jerk off you feel just as worthless as you felt and perhaps actually were when it became a compulsive thing. I can't believe this dude saying it doesn't meet the criteria for addiction. Every addict in the world knows they have a problem. If you know you shouldn't do it and then you do it you will lose your mind. You're disrespecting your own values. You'll stop caring, do it more, maybe you're not a homeless methhead, but It's just not a good thing, and for the record I was homeless for two fucking years in my early twenties. I worked construction and showered at the gym. Slept under a tarp. That's how it can get. I know if I wasn't a coomer I would have had a great life. It fucked up everything. I just can't do it, that's my reality.
>>77341730Correct. You do not actually meet the criteria for dependence.You do, however, are a dead ringer for the model proposed by Moynihan et al. Someone for whom porn use is a way to avoid having to deal with your actual emotional distress and its sources.Find Buddha, see the padre, schedule therapy. Because what you need is an environment where you can address your poor upbringing, emotional problems, and possibly an undiagnosed mental disability (because, no offense, your behavior seems like the kind of thing a person with an actual mental disability would do), not Jerkoff Duolingo.
>>77341537Eh. Your libido slows down when you get older. You'll lose interest eventually. For me what happened was I finally stretched out some fucked up tight tendon or muscle that was putting weird pressure on that area causing a sort of low-key constant arousal. That, and finally clearing out all the kidney stones that were lodged in my tubes. They sort of get stuck in the shaft if I don't. I think nofap people have a lot of willpower but I worry that they never clean their pipes. If you abstain long enough, though, your body makes this strange brain serum that increases your intelligence/IQ like 10 points. True story. Also- don't forget who owns all those porn sites. They don't give you free porn because they like you, they do it because they want to blackmail and control you.
>>77341755No I'm not mentally disabled. I have high average intelligence. Not a genius, not an idiot. A fool, but not an idiot. I might have autism, but other than that I'm fine. You don't know me. A lot happened. You'd have done no better. Have a nice one.
>>77341537I think thats the gayest pic i have ever seen
>>77341537Watching porn is objectively not worth doing and I doubt I would even be able to jerk off at this point without watching porn.
Noporn should be the goal, nofap is debunked pseudoscience
>>77341537>Is obsessively masturbating a normal and healthy physiological need like eating and sleeping?
>>77333472Nigger.
>>77341664Kanye? Is that you?
>>77341537stop touching yourself, it's bad for you.stop watching porn, it's bad for you.I also haven't jacked off in years.
>>77342069No porn is basically debunked as well, unless you have a big guilt complex about it like the trads that aren't grifting bisexuals.
>>77341546Best post.Porn is the issue. More specifically, never ending high speed internet porn with infinite novelty is the issue. Sure, porn is probably fine in moderation. But over abundance, ease of access, and the brains desire negate any claims of self control. Realistically, who’s going to jerk off to the first video they see, or only have a few saved to their favorites and just stick to those? It doesn’t happen.If you jerk off without porn, you can be good for a few days at least with just a little self control. But with porn at your fingertips that little bit of self control isn’t going to cut it for most men.Yes, “most.” The average guy is a porn addict watches porn almost daily. With regards to internet pornography, there are two types of men: those who are addicts, and those who understand it and actively avoid watching it.
>>77342764And what are the negative effects of porn consumption? How do you define porn addiction? And why do you think the porn consumption is causal to those negative effects instead of noncausal in the way laid out here >>77341755?
>>77342784>but how do you define it though?The same way gambling addiction is defined.(Copy-pasta’d):>Cravings and preoccupation with gambling>Loss of control over the behavior>Continuing despite harmful consequences>Needing to gamble larger amounts over time (similar to tolerance)>Irritability or restlessness when trying to stop (similar to withdrawal)All I see in your comments is “I’m not addicted” and possibly “please don’t take away my porn.”
>>77341537jewish doctors will tell you masturbation to porn is fine and healthy. you must always do opposite of what the jews say. carry on
>>77341537Fapping is fine once every couple days, but you should never under any circumstance watch porn
>>77342744noporn is undebunkable if you fit the pattern of needing more and more (or more degenerate material) to feel the same arousal, which many (most?) people do. That's obviously not good.
>>77342897>if you fit the pattern of needing more and more (or more degenerate material) to feel the same arousalThis dose response tolerance model for porn consumption has been quite well studied over the last 10-15 years, and the NoFap/YBOP model doesn't hold up.
>>77342982If the studies don’t match reality, then the studies have failed.Porn addicts:>I don’t even get aroused by normal pornThe studies:>response tolerance of porn doesn’t exist; trust me bro, this is totally getting you aroused
>>77342816Yeah, porn consumption doesn't follow that, and I'll scihub the relevant info when I'm not at work.Bluntly, excessive porn consumption appears to be a symptom of being fucked in the head by depression and such, not a ccause. Address the underlying stressors and excessive porn consumption ceases.>>77342994Yeah, it's wrong. Porn "addicts" still get aroused by vanilla stuff, and unlike any other tolerances, people generally seek out less extreme material over time after a spike in more extreme stuff. The novelty fades and they go back to getting their rocks off to vanilla stuff.Not following this pattern appears to be rare when it isn't just reddit retards self reporting.
>>77343003stop justifying your addiction, retard. stop watching porn and go outside.
>>77343003>porn consumption doesn't follow thatIt does>Bluntly, excessive porn consumption appears to be a symptom of being fucked in the head by depression and such, not a ccause. Address the underlying stressors and excessive porn consumption ceases.Pic rel>>77342994 (You) #>Porn "addicts" still get aroused by vanilla stuff, and unlike any other tolerances, people generally seek out less extreme material over time after a spike in more extreme stuff. The novelty fades and they go back to getting their rocks off to vanilla stuff.HahahahahahahahahaNo
>>77342982so trust the soience and not your personal experience and those of countless others? ok cool.
>>77343008No dude, if you compulsively consume porn, you're the problem. Maintaining your NoFap Duolingo streak won't get you a healthy sex or social life, cure your depression, or address an avoidant personality that pushes away intimacy. Excessive porn consumption appears to be a behavioral sink for these stressors, not a cause.
>>77343027>healthy sex or social life, cure your depression, or address an avoidant personality that pushes away intimacyI didn't stop watching porn for any of those reasons. I stopped because I recognized it precisely fits this pattern>>77342897
Pornography is definitely worse than masturbation. Masturbation is kinda normal to a point. Internet pornography is completely abnormal in every way, and it’s not good for you or your future relationships. You shouldn’t use it all but if you do use it, use it sparingly.
>>77343023My personal experience reflects the Soience, and r/NoFap being a graveyard of relapses suggests that the Soience is right.
>>77343039>My personal experience reflects the Soienceok good for you>r/NoFap being a graveyard of relapses suggests that the Soience is right.No, it suggests they are addicted to porn
>>77343043>No, it suggests they are addicted to pornIt suggests that porn wasn't the problem, so they return to the behavioral sink of porn because they didn't address why they were cooming in the first place. Which is basically because their lives are probably lonely and shitty.
>>77343054Again, I am not even a nofap cultist. I stopped watching porn because it precisely fit the pattern of a degenerate addictive behavior and there is no good reason to do it. If you can't jerk off without watching porn then you are addicted to porn. Simple as.
>>77343054There was a landmark experiment in the 60’s where rats were given the option of water or water laced with opiates. Invariably the rats would choose the opiate water, and eventually OD. The conclusion is that opiates are chemically addictive.Rat Park in the 1970’s ran incongruent, finding that rats with better living conditions didn’t always chose the drug-laced water. The conclusion was that environment plays a crucial role.So, is heroin addictive?
>>77342895Why? When I don't watch porn, the only thing that makes me cum is thinking about my aunties and older cousins.
>>77343078Nta but I did notice that I don't feel like on days in which I did something that left me feeling satisfied/fulfilled. Like a good social outing or a learning a new job etc...
>>77341537I hopped on ssri's and dutasteride, and it helped me immensely
>>77343682Ssris fuck up your libido. It's not a real solution and there's a small chance of them giving you ed for life. I know because I used them for a while. My penis shrinked when flacid and I couldn't cum during the first week.
>>77341539Good taste.>>77341537I think complete no fap is for monks. For the average male abstinence from pornography is enough. It's cancer for the brain and it's this age's cigarette. If you are young and goon all day your brain won't feel the need to do anything because it's tricked into believing that it already got what it needs. (Tho this applies to video games as well.) So just jack off every 2-3 days if you can and move on. In my experience after 1-2 months of no pornography I felt more alive and I felt more present. So I'd like to get back to it but because of reasons I'm consuming again, even if not in such big quantities...Good luck!
>>77341636500 CCs of rectally administered burn gel required for this anon, STAT
>>77341683Cumming inside hot bitches may not be the cure for all life's ills, but it should be
>>77341537I have such a zero libido I have done a nofap year. I wish I did have some though, its kinda difficult to get together with someone if you don't care about sex
>>77341539At its apex, when the girls are pretty and they have good skin and perfect assholes, lesbian asslicking has got to be the purest, most beautiful form of porn.
>>77342764>Realistically, who’s going to jerk off to the first video they see, or only have a few saved to their favorites and just stick to those? It doesn’t happen.What you're describing is basically how porn was consumed from the start of time until well into the early 00s, when wank material was either physical media or dialup Internet. You bet your ass we used to fap to the same magazine pages or DVDs over and over.I feel sorry for the Gen Z gooners who can basically max out their dopamine production at the tap of a touchscreen. Good luck ever achieving that level of stimulation with a real life woman in front of you.
>>77342038>He doesn't know peak
>>77343013Okay, nigger. You can mentally insert a (probably) because it's not like the science is settled, but the preponderance of evidence is that the YBOP and NoFap model, to include porn addiction as a coherent concept just isn't true.For the tolerance argument to be true, individuals can not be aroused by non-extreme porn, specifically because they have built a tolerance to this type of content and require more extreme content Woops, that's (probably) bullshit.https://sci-hub(dot)}su/10.1016/j.esxm.2017.11.001Woops, preference for extreme content decreases over timehttps://sci-hub(dot)su/10.1016/j.ssresearch.2019.03.003Woops, there aren't any withdrawal effects consistent with addiction after controlling for baseline scores, there were no significant differences between the abstinence and control groups in terms of craving, affect, or withdrawal symptoms.https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10508-022-02519-wWoops, pornography consumption is noncausal for poor mental healthhttps://sci-hub(dot)su/10.1016/j.paid.2022.111802Woops, religion, negative emotions, and impulsivity predicted higher levels of problematic porn use, even when pornography use is controlled for. Moreover, religiosity ceteris paribus sees the the greatest increase in problematic porn use controlling for porn consumption.https://sci-hub(dot)su/10.1080/00224499.2020.1815637This is very important for understanding why some of you weirdos are the way you are: the moral incongruence between your religious values and your porn consumption. Among individuals with low religiosity, those who were not compulsive in their pornography use showed a slight increase in consumption. Compulsive users with low religiosity showed a decrease in use. Among highly religious individuals, those the non-compulsive in their use did not show a change in usage. However, the HIGHLY COMPULSIVE, HIGHLY RELIGIOUS showed a significant increase in use.https://sci-hub(dot)su/10.1080/0092623X.2018.1466012
>>77342744I'm not even really against porn but it can't be good to have nonstop access to every fetish imaginable
>>77341537CAPLIFE study says statistically at least one or two anons ITT might need picrel because they didn't pay attention when I said Kaempferol was gonna be a trending supplement with evidence of likely preventing prostate cancer.
>>77343703this silly picture made me lol irl
>>77344256>the science is literally the exact opposite of my experienceI guess I should have been studied then.
>>77344261...and for all the all-natural anti-supplement schizos, picrel is basically natural Kaempferol supplements:>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaempferol#Natural_occurrence...and yeah it looks like it dun does shit:>Kaempferol Promotes Apoptosis While Inhibiting Cell Proliferation via Androgen-Dependent Pathway and Suppressing Vasculogenic Mimicry and Invasion in Prostate Cancer>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31871879/
>>77344270You probably fall into the bored, highly compulsive, highly religious bucket. Even if you're not observant, you have essentially the same moral framework of sexual morality believed to a similarly fervent level as an Evangelical preacher.
>>77344281nigger I liked Jon Stewart unironically
it's over innit?Tonight I had two dreams of "sexual" nature. In the first one I watched porn and masturbated. I woke up when I "came" and I thought "fuck broke my streak again". Took me a minute to realize it was a dream.Then another dream came, I was in some sort of public place watching porn on the phone and multiple women approached me and I hid the phone so they wouldn't know and sent them away because they were stopping me from watching porn.I don't even dream about sex. I dream of watching porn.
>>77343691gooning fucks up your penis as well
