What's the point of dyel exercises like push ups, dips and pull ups (weighted ones are okay)? Literally, all of those "calisthenics" athletes do regular machine/barbell work and then proceed to claim that it was heckin' push ups that got them arnold pecs. Is it another fad/scam that's being pushed to the masses?
>>77344974>Literally, all of those "calisthenics" athletes do roids and then proceed to claim that it was heckin' push ups that got them arnold pecs.FTFY
>>77344974Post body
>>77344974Lmao copd
>he's never done 0.5xBW ring dips or pullups for reps>thinks these exercises are uselessThanks for letting us know you're a DEE-YELL, Oh Pee.
>>77344974Of course it’s a scam, doesn’t mean there’s nothing wrong with any of those exercises though.
>>77344974Volume maxing with lighter loads and low fatigue work or increasing neuromuscular effeciency. Neuromuscular adaptations aren't a joke they stick around long after you lose muscle mass. They come first and leave last. If you're ever working through an injury it can help you get back on to 100% a lot sooner after it passes. That's the game really most training up-time in a given period of years. Also the potential hypertrophy of Type1 fibers. Type2 is our strong fibers and they can get the largest but still ~50% of your muscle mass is Type1. Doesn't hurt to give them a little stimulus.
>>77345314I have done 30kg dips and pull ups and still look like a pregnant dog. They are dyel exercises unless you weigh 100kg or do them with 50kg added.>>77345359So are you supposed to do 300 pull ups everyday to see any results?
>>77345442Depends on the goal if neuromuscular effeciency.>once a week freshly recovered test repmax>all other days 5 sets of 50%rep maxFor Type1 fiber hypertrophy you're going to failure probably once per exercise on off days. And you're going to have to make them easier because your goal rep range is 30-60. So girl pushups, ring rows, bodyweight squats, hip thrusts, leg raises that kind of stuff.You can do a similar thing with static holds/isometrics except it's test max hold time once a week, 3x70%maxholdtime. If it's over a minute you can do it every day because it's not appreciable in fatigue or anything. These really suck though.
>>77345490My goal is to hit 30 consecutive, fully dead hang pull ups. Currently, I just train every other day whilst changing between weighted and body-weight variations.
>>77345557You'll probably have to do them more often and unweighted. Training for rep counts is a different animal than training for strength or "hypertrophy" (which is usually just hypertrophy of Type2 fibers) since the endurance to do more reps is mostly tied up in Type1 fibers. If your gym has one of those assisted pullup machines that would be the best for this.The closer to failure you get the more of the of the potential fiber recruitment is handed off from type1 to type2 fibers. This is why type1 specific training and grease the groove style training usually avoid failure or use high rep ranges. You want to use the type1 fibers more and use them in a way that is similar.
>>77345574I max out at 20. Rn I do that grease the groove method but during my rest days. I dish out 7 sets of pull ups till failure throughout the entire day. Don't know whether that interferes with my recovery or not.
>>77345605GTG is not supposed to be to-failure. It should not dig into your recovery at all if done not-to-failure. Doing a ton of to-failure pullups will harm your recovery and not facilitate the changes you're after as well. You want to avoid using the Type2 fibers after a typical resistance training workout because they're recovering.
>>77345613Since my max is 20, should I just do 10 pull ups every 2 hours or some shit?
>>77345637Yup
>>77344974Calisthenics for legs/posterior chain is absolutely dogshit but all your "show off" muscles are trained adequately with calisthenics. I wouldn't claim it's superior to weights, though some like chins are the best for biceps.The biceps are biarticular muscles that cross the elbow and shoulder joints, which are both trained with the chin-up, while the curl only trains it from the elbow joint. Furthermore, curls heavily bias the forearm, not even the bicep, especially with the "strict" curl. This is why it's well-known that cheat curls are better than strict. The reason curls are loved so much is because chin-ups are too hard to get a "pump" unlike 30lb dumbbells.Then you have weighted calisthenics which is still cheaper than buying a $1000 cage/barbell/bumpers/ect and all the other random gear-queer shit people love like trap bars and safety squat bars. Even without weights, you can increase the force you're generating against resistance (the reason you increase weight) with methods like fully elevating off the ground with inverted rows -> tuck front lever rows or using one arm variants for push-ups or chins. None of this involves getting into the gymnastics shit they try to trick you into.>shoulders & long-head tricepPike push-ups, wall-assisted HSPU, free HSPU>chest & tricepsPush-up -> one-arm push up -> planche push upDips -> weighted dips>lats, traps, forearms, bicepsInverted row -> front lever rows>lats, biceps (moreso), forearmsChin-up -> archer chins -> support chins -> one-arm chinsWeighted chins>absDo I even need to say?Again, I won't defend legs and posterior chain. It's not good and if you're stuck with calisthenics you're just going to have to hit it with volume.The only way to fuck it up is if you just do the beginner shit for high reps and nothing else (frequently daily), which is what 99% of bodyweight trainees do. That only builds endurance after a point. You need to get stronger even with bodyweight.
>>77345751Also, the heavier you are the more of a stimulus you get from bodyweight training. Yeah, a 140lb kid doing calisthenics is going to be a shrimp but a 200lb person hitting those progressions is going to be more buff. It doesn't take a genius to figure it out, the bigger guy needs bigger, stronger muscles to move his bodyweight against gravity.
>>77345605>I dish out 7 sets of pull ups till failure throughout the entire dayI did something like that in HS and gave myself tendonitis. My arms were doing the permanent robot for like two weeks.
>>77344974Mobility and dynamics is just as important as lifting heavy, being swolr and able to do backflips and handstand presses is far more impressive than pulling 1000lbs but getting gassed after a 5 minute walk
>>77345442I do them for reps and I weigh 100kg, what's your point?
Pullups and dips are not dyel exercises If you can do 15 solid pullups and 15 solid dips at 180lbs and above you are absolutely strong
Don't you guys realize how bad the bench is for your spine bro. Plus it's so much easier to have a pullup bar in your house and a place for pushups (including incline and decline pushups) than to go to a gym or pay for weights (yes I'm broke. Fight me). Dead hangs are great for neck/back/shoulder issues, diamond pushups relieve chest tension, and they work out more musclesOnce you own the motions and can do 15 wide, narrow, chinups, and dips, and/or a whole set of 10-15 diamonds/norm/wide/incline/decline pushuos, add a weighted vestSure you meet people at the gym but none of you virgins are going to the gym to do that. I'll bench a bit before I do my cardio at the gym but that isn't my main mass gainer at all
>>77346074I've been spamming pull ups for the past 2 years (I'm an old fart). Doing 100-120 everyday and I'm yet to have any issues. Keep in my mind that I'm bottom of the barrel athleticism-wise. Maybe, you're just retarded?
so they can feel better about themselves
>>77344974Mogging untrained normies in front of everyone and impressing women so you can have sex with their vaginas. Next question.
>>77345314Imposter
>>77344974They are easily accessible. That's it. You don't have to do dips or pullups to get big. BUT, that said, after 3 years of lifting I started doing dips. And I must say, they improved my OHP, they made me PR on bench and they broke my plateu on overhead tricep extensions. I was surprised they did so much for me.
>>77344974https://youtu.be/TVlNfo1tgXM?si=-XEFzk6FT7Sa3y8Z
>>77348572You don't mog shit with meme exercises unless you're Smaev or above 90kg.
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>>77344974>a picture of the guy who ruined Black Flag
