Anavar fools your brain into thinking there’s plenty of androgen around, so your hypothalamus and pituitary stop sending the “make testosterone” signals, LH and FSH drop, and your testicles basically get furloughed. “Mild” steroid or not, it can still shut down your natural testosterone production. Never trust roider cope.

>>77345148
It definitely does in the doses /fraud/ will tell you is the "bare minimum". But it's probably the lightest steroid in your endocrine system, and you can actually get away with mild improvements in your gains (think as "natty+") without shutting yourself off.

>>77345154
>>77345153
So why the fuck aren't we all on tiny doses of anavar?

>>77345219
I clearly fucking said that it does fuck your shit up, don't know why you tagged FPBP
>>77345154
This guy is a fucking retard spewing roid cope. ANY cycle strong enough to get you results is strong enough to fuck up your balls.

>>77345219
Not everyone can be a winner

have seen a couple of women who were on this and had mild to no side effects. while it's not the most potent shit out there, it can still get them pretty buff. it's unreal how everything is stacked against men.

>>77345154
Coming off a mild dose left me feeling neutered I wouldn't recommend

All anabolic steroids suppress your natural hormone production.

Just hop on TRT if you live in muttland where you can actually get a script for cyp unlike nordic countries.

>>77345148
Allahu anawar

>>77345154
Correct. You don't have to do 50mg. You can do 10-20mg even as a male and still have insane gains. People in the roid threads always just use insane dosages because their idea is "well I'm suppressing my natural test anyway I may as well go all the way"

>>77345219
Explosion of dht through external means shuts down test production. Then you end up with rly high dht and no test. I guess you can use hcg for a bit but yh not a good idea. This is also why most oral only cycles without dbol don't work well.

>>77345219
Making and releasing test are two separate processes. If it detects androgens in the blood at all it doesn't release any. If it's reading none it floods with everything it has. Test is naturally set up on a blast cycle having any amount of constant test means it's never releasing more.

>>77345233
See, this is one of the "50mg or nothing" /fraud/ retards I was telling you about.
When he says
>strong enough to get you results
he's not talking about "slightly better than natty results", he's talking about fraud gains that he wouldn't consider "pathetic"
>>77345219
>why the fuck aren't we all on tiny doses of anavar?
Besides the fact that it's a controlled substance, the same reason we aren't all on many supplement stacks: it requires discipline, and the results aren't very impressive. 2,5mg to 5mg (depending on the person) won't shut you down, even if it diminishes your test by 20-50%, but the improvement in gains is only mildly noticeable, something all /fraud/ retards would label "pathetic", and no one would think you're actually roiding.
>but what about the test reduction
Half your natural test + 2.5mg/5mg var is>>77345219
more anabolic than 100% your natural test + zero var, because var is several times more anabolic than test, so you still have a net positive hypertrophy.

>>77345153
tld;r Even a "girl dose" of 5mg/day will shut you down.

The most common pill size for oxandrolone is 10mg. The medical literature I've read uses doses of 10-80mg per day, and 20mg/day is by far the most studied dose. I've noticed a consensus of 5mg/day in articles targetted at female athletes looking to avoid virilization.

The 20 year old males on average produce about 7mg/day naturally. Excluding outliers, 10mg/day endogenous T per day is a pretty good ceiling level.

It is a pretty solid estimate to say oxandrolone is 4x stronger than testosterone. Oxandrolone is a DHT derivative. DHT is 3-5x stronger than T. Studies report an anabolic index of 300 to 600 with most studies reporting around 400. Therefore both empirical data and molecular structure seem to support the approximation of oxandrolone is 4 times more potent than testosterone.

So 5mg oxandrolone is roughly equivalent to 20mg of testosterone. 20mg/day of T is equivalent to 20/7=2.86 times the average endogenous production of a male in the prime of his life. 1.75mg/day=7mg/day/4 of oxandrolone is equivalent to the 7mg average endogenous production of T.

If you were to titrate oxandrolone until your body had noticeable improvements in muscle hypertrophy, your HPG axis would shutdown well before the conclusion of this experiment. The therapeutic range of this drug is not even close to the minimum dosage required to stop the production of GnRH.

>>77345219
The poster you replied is horribly misinformed. It also messes with the HDL/LDL ratio, stresses the liver long term, raises blood pressure and, carries a small risk of cholestasis causes, and an at least theoretical risk of hepatic peliosis. A negative impact on liver function and lipid bloodwork is a given. Blood pressure is pretty close to a given. Thr impact on bloodwork and blood pressure is reversable. Bad lipids amd bad lipid profiles won't kill you short term, but it would lower your life expectancy signicantly.

>>77346080
is there ANYTHING that will provide any measurable extra gains and won't shut you down or fuck you up in another way?

>>77346448
Food and sleep

>>77346448
The guy right after you is about all you get for free. If you're really careful, exercise can be free. Really it's about not shutting yourself down or fucking yourself up.

Not on the HPG axis. Everything's on a feedback loop and everything's highly optimized for survival and reproduction in conditions that existed before written history. Your hypothalamus monitors androgens, estradiol, and probably other things I'll learn about later, and it has its own idea about how much you should have. If it sees too much it shuts down GnRH.

BPC-157 speeds up recovery, so maybe it will let you work a muscle group more often. I doubt it will fuck you up, since it occurs in the body naturally, but there's no long term data.

If you only care about your balls shutting down, hCG works for that. You can do just about anything and remain fertile. Then it's a matter of being careful. There are some anabolics that won't fuck you up so fast that properly scheduled testing won't catch it before it's too late. Setting your free testosterone serum levels at top of the normal range, is pretty safe.

The problem is the type of person who is willing to take drugs to gain muscle is usually not the type of person to say I am satisfied with that. I'm just an oldfag that's trying something to see if it helps my broken body. If I live long enough to see the chickens come home to roost on a bad HDL/LDL ratio, I've already won.

>>77345148
>anal bar

>>77346080
Nonsense. You're conflating anabolic power with negative feedback power. Those are NOT the same.
5 mg oxandrolone = 4-5 mg testosterone in terms of shutting down endogen test production.
5 mg oxandrolone = 15 mg (possibly, but unlikely 20 mg) testosterone in terms of anabolic power.
You can actually measure it yourself: lab test your baseline testosterone and LH, take 2.5mg oxandrolone everyday for 2 weeks, then lab test again. You'll notice a partial drop in testosterone and LH, but definitely not a complete shutdown.
Now calculate how much testosterone you lost (say: 500 ng/dL to 300 ng/dL, a net loss of 200), and estimate how much this would translate in terms of daily test production: roughly Blood Testosterone (ng/dL) x0.014 mg/day, or about a net loss of 2.8 mg testosterone/day while on 2.5 oxandrolone.
Since oxandrolone is roughly 3 times more anabolic than testosterone, that would translate into roughly the equivalent of +7.5mg extra testosterone, or roughly +535 ng/dL testosterone over your new basal testosterone. Since your new basal T is now 300, that would amount to ~835 ng/dL testosterone equivalent in terms of anabolism, without shutting you down.
835 equivalent is better than 500 raw, but will only slightly improve your gains. You can pretty much get away with it indefintely, your balls will keep working, your HPG axis will keep working (even if a bit slower), but the extra gains will be so mild most guys don't want to bother with that, and /fraud/ fags will tell you you're being retarded because you will never get huge with a testosterone equivalent of 835 (and they're correct in the part that you won't get huge).

If you can get away with 5mg var/day without shutting yourself down, things start to get more interesting. But you'll only know if you try and do the lab work, and you'll still not get "huge" with 5mg.

>>77345153
varbie in my gym went off-cycle finally and found out her HPGT axis, thyroid, and ovaries have basically stopped working, almost no estrogen, has to get scans to confirm if she's infertile or not.
Take a dumb deal with the devil, win dumb prizes.

>>77345148
>Yes, Anavar (oxandrolone) suppresses natural testosterone production. While it is often considered "mild" regarding side effects like liver strain, it is not low-suppression. It routinely shuts down the body's natural hormone production (the Hypothalamic-Pituitary-Gonadal axis)

>>77347285
How long was her cycle?
How long did she wait before checking her hormones?
Assuming she really did a "cycle", it should take 2-3 months for her hormones to get back on track, possibly 4-6 months until full recovery if she's unlucky.
If she had been blasting var for 2-3 years straight then she might have long lasting damage, but then it's her fault for being a retard.

>>77347285
yeah I'm sure she told some retarded virgin 4chan dyel who never talks or makes eye contact with anyone all about her ovaries and hormone profile.
I also know your spouting made up bullshit just to sound cool because anavar does not lower estrogen levels in women.

>>77346984
Why not just use SARMs with some aromatase inhibitor / SERM?

>>77347822
That's the stupidest fucking thing you could ever do, enjoy not getting a boner for a year

>>77347838
I use 6,25mg a day of exemestane as an otherwise natty guy and feel fine.

>>77346448
Enclomiphene.

>>77346080
>misinformed
Not misinformed, just didn't see the need to be a know it all faggot. Nice use of AI though.

>>77347822
>>77347845
Permacruise on Enclo + 2.5mg to 5mg var. Partially prevents the reduction in natural test caused by low dose var and lets you reap the (mild) benefits.
You should do the bloodwork though to make sure your LH and test are still in range. It doesn't hurt to occasionally check your liver and cholesterol status too. Remember, low dose var makes your liver work more, so it becomes less resistant to harmful things like bindge drinking or acetaminophen.
Welcome to the Natty+ world.