I'm 36, bald, live with my parents, work a shitty part time jobRight now I'm like 230 lbs @ 6 ft gave up on lifing like 4 years ago. I look "builtfat" at best, but want to lose weight and get stronger and faster. I used to run a lot back in my late 20s and gave up due to a shitty knee or whatever. I don't even care about getting attention from girls or anything, I'm too old and jaded to socializeWhat is the current "meta" for retired/returning lifters when it comes to building strength, athleticism and speed I'm pretty sure my chest and arms are still stronger than average and can walk into the gym and bench 2 pl8s for reps so at least I don't have to start from absolute noob level
>>77350356Quit being a sad sack. Start against with a linear program for ***NO MORE THAN SIX MONTHS*** then move to an intermediate periodization program. Do cardio on active recovery days. You'll be fine and we won't want to hear from you again.
>>77350356dude, ngl your life sounds terrible. good thing is you have nothing to lose, so you can start using performance enhancing drugs. sometimes in life your are dealt a bad hand, nothing wrong in trying to cheat nature. 300mg a week test permacruise is a good start. reta too on top of that for fat loss. if you need a mental boost get some adderall prescription. for social ability, get ketamine or pehinbut. dont drink its a huge looksmin. is your hair salvageable? hair is a big deal. 3k transplant in turkey plus finasterade might be able to save you.
>>77350383>test>finLel IMO if you wanna frame-mog and hair-mog, run ecdysterone plus fisetin instead. Based experimental plant extracts mog FDA boomer trash.
>>77350356It's philosophical. You have no principles. You have no operating system. Your education was not adequate and now you're adrift without a paddle.
>>77350578It's practical. You have no money. You have no social mobility. Your savings are inadequate and now you're stuck without lifestyle agency.
>>77350646The relationship between material resources and fame being determinant of your agency is a quite a bizarre metaphysical belief that doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Philosophy and education is practical, and it precedes these material problems. Naturally, a rational animal would think about what he's going to do and plan ahead before he does it. A society of rational animals would naturally, ideally, educate their young on the best practices. OP is missing this. When you miss this, that's how you come to batshit conclusions like what you just said.
>>77350363>>77350387Kys>>77350578>>77350646Legit>>77350356Your first step is to order tirzepatide from a Chinese vendor on stairwaytogray (aps is okay).Cut the fat.Second step is to order test prop, Anadrol, and HCG and hit the gym.The subsequent steps have to do with making connections.Goodluck, faggot. I know you won't do any of this and you won't make it.
>>77350356It's not about speed it's about everyday activity. From walking to lifting to cardio and diet. You didn't become fat in a day and you won't become skinny in a day either. Just commit long term that's all you can do.
>>77350739Kys dude
>>77350742>>77350737Seething samefag fatty, order ozempic then and take your weak ass shortcuts
>>77350796KysTirzepatide, not ozempic.Not redditrutide either.Tirz
>im built fat!no you're obese
>>77350801See>>77350799
Uh oh zempic melty
>>77350356>230lbs>I look "builtfat"stop huffing the copium, you are obese
It doesnt matter because you'll never put in the work. If you really wanted it, you'd already be lifting and not worried about some arbitrary timeline.If someone does tell you a timeframe you find acceptable, you'll go the gym then quit in a few months when you see no progress and then go back to making "how to achieve" threads with a pic of Gooky the anime character waiting for someone to "redpill" you on how to get jacked without doing anything. loser
>I look builtfat
Find Jesus and repent.
>>77350676You're still too young to have any proper vantage on life, with these little performative rants of yours. You insist upon your philosophical competency in awkward, boyish ways.The smartest thing that you can say to most men (especially those pushing 40) is some variation of 'save yourself, because no one is coming to save you', and that still necessitates getting your finances right. These are pressing concerns of a rational, adult male. Though I wouldn't be surprised if you're still impressionable enough to believe that you can mimic the life of Diogenes or some shit.
>>77350896Not OP, but i'm in a similar situation. I'm 33 with full head of hair and i built my own business and i managed to save like 40k. I get proper food and sleep nowadays but my 20's have been so brutal that i'm traumatized with every interaction i come with. People trust me but i have self-destructive OCD where i get bored easily or feel resentment from other people when i realise they are just normies who are trying so hard to take advantage of you. Also i've been sad af yesterday because i saw my ex gf at the gym and i was dreaming of her the whole night. What do
>>77350356>36>work a shitty part time jobWell... about that, .. let me tell you one thing...It's OVEEEEEEEEERRRRRRR!!!OOOOOOOOOVVVVVVVVVUUUUUUUURRRRRREE!!! Over.You will never have a career in anything. So you better accept your fucking fate as a fucking untermensch, doing doordash, working a gas station, or whatever you're doing. This is the rest of your life.
Just do some exercise every day. Day one do 3 sets of push ups. Day 2 do 3 sets of pull ups. Day 3 do 3 sets of squats. Just do simple easy shit like this for two weeks at least and then maybe you can add a second exercise. It’s all about forming a habit. Make it easy. Accessible. It should make you feel good not like shit. Don’t over do it at first. Leave some strength in the bank. It’s not a sprint it’s a marathon. A guy who does 10 push ups every day for 10 years will look better than a guy who did 1 hour in the gym for 6 months and quit.
>>77350896I'm not really worried about sounding smart. But if you don't start from the basis of an education, then you have no direction in life and you end up 36, fat, fussing about your hair, hanging on to your mom's legs like a koala and stuck in a part time job thinking and legitimately believing absurd metaphysical propositions like if one has inadequate savings, he has no agency over his lifestyle. It's not an exceptionally clever thing to suggest, it's just simply what's adequate to fix the problem. Anyway, it speaks for itself, I just dropped off the suggestion for OP. >https://classics.mit.edu/Aristotle/nicomachaen.html>https://isidore.co/aquinas/Ethics.htmYGMI, westerner. Don't waste your time and energy in the consumerist contrivances downstream of Freud. >I wouldn't be surprised if you're still impressionable enough to believe that you can mimic the life of Diogenes or some shit.Why on earth would anyone want to do that?
>>77350911I know you're taking the piss, but I started to actually work with 37 and am now on the track for manager roles in a sizable company. It can be done.
>>77350944>he has no agency over his lifestyle. Neither do you, I suspect. In fact I suspect these posts of yours are a meta commentary over similar frustrations: I don't think you can afford to start your life properly either. At least not in the same basic custom that men your age did a couple generations ago.If philosophy is helping you to process these frustrations and reclaim some sense of executive agency, that's good, but it'd be better as another poster to engage with (You) and talk about the tangible frustrations you're also dealing with in life, as opposed to some detached and intelligent Philosopher mask that you'd prefer anon see.
>>77350963What are you talking about?
>>77350957There's a difference between finishing a degree at 37 years old and working part time jobs having no degree at 37 years old.
>>77350977>What are you talking about?I'm talking to someone who isn't in the thread yet, and I'd like you to make one post grounded in your current material reality. What are the facts of your current living situation, behind all this lofty philosophical opining. How old are you, and do you still live with your parents, or others? - If so, why?
>>77350989Sorry I just didn't read your other post, what did you want again?
>>77350981My degree was several years old at that point. I just did part time work from there on and what I do now (tech) has nothing to do with my degree.
>>77350356>230lbs>not training>"builtfat"
>>77351005gottem
>>77350356If you're bald you CAN'T be fat and you must be well built. There's just no getting around this if you want to score any women.
Why are millennials like thisDid you never wake up once in your entire 20s thinking about your life trajectory and future? Not even when you turned 30?Every day your potential decreases and your life trajectory becomes more ossified. People need to be worrying about this stuff when they’re young and they can affect things, not when they’re middle aged and it’s too late.
>>77351034brutal trvke but it's never too late to fix your life, it just gets harder and there's less you can fix
>>77351034We had it too good. I was treated like I was the center of the universe and came to expect that success was an automatic outcome of life, so I dropped out of school in 2009 at 19 and waited on a miracle....still waiting.
>bald>fat>36 living with parentsStart lifting and grow out a beard like most balding copers. Start lifting and losing weight and maybe in two years you'll look decent.After all that effort maybe you'll be lucky enough a 30+ single mom, if amerifat then get ready to become a stepdad to a niglet.
>>77351054>>77351034Jesus you’re burying this poor fucker, this isn’t fit! He needs to have hope ffs
>>77351034>>77351054unironically not being lazy in my 20's made me have a decent base so i can be lazy at my 30's
>>77351034>Why are millennials like this>Did you never wake up once in your entire 20s thinking about your life trajectorySome people can't be helped.But other people just had a shit life trajectory, being left on the street, or your parents divorcing when you turn 18 and literally no home to go to from there, having to pay a rent and doing part time jobs.Not everybody is a trust fund kid.
>>77351119that being said, when it's over it's over (like 99% chances you willn never have a proper career), just accept being a loser and try to enjoy the small things.
>>77350911I know a guy who used to be an alcoholic in his 20s and 30s, worked a factory job then in his 40s went to college, got a degree and now he's doing great.>DUD YOU'RE 36 IT'S OVER!defeatist cunt
>>77351135Wow, i know 1 alcoholic guy out a million who turned his life around and is now a reknowned brain surgeon.
lmao you are 36 and looking for a "meta" to getting fit? cringe. go put down the fork and get on the stairmaster for starters
>>77351054damn bro why you gotta be so mean :(
>>77350911my friend's parents divorced after 50 and his mom, formerly a homemaker, got her first real job working at a school as a tard wrangler. A few years later she does the school's accounting or something like that and seems to be doing alright, so even though it's kiind of over for OP it's not fully over
>>77351135>what is survivorship bias
>>77351174>>77351221>um yea bro statistically you're fucked so you should give upwhat is wrong with you
>>77351230>he doesnt know what survivorship bias isoh man you zoomers are fucked
>>77351234why do you even try to copy talking points without actually understanding why survivorship bias should be brought upyou're literally retarded
>>77350911My father opened up his own bakery at 67
>>77351174Are you looking for an excuse or an inspiration? That's what matters
>>77350356> live with my parents, work a shitty part time jobGet a full time job, move out. It’s that easy.
>>77351281What's wrong living with your parents?
>>77350896>grind bro>build your empire broThis is boomer nonsense.Charm, wisdom, being well storied, these things get you much farther in “life” than material.There is no substitute for friendship.Money cannot buy it, it is often an obstacle to it.Money only seems appealing because of the boomer dream of comfort or the late stage dream of running away from brown.But the best things in life come from refinement. Best way to get friends and lovers is looks/personalitymaxxing.You will never say “I would have traded this friend for money” unless you have jeet soul (life not worth living) or you picked really shitty friends.
>>77351312The living with your parents part. Grow up, nigger.
>>77350890Christcucks are cancer
>>77351319I post a simple>save yourself...still necessitates getting your finances right. And you interpret that as anon saying>>grind bro>>build your empire broWhat kind of disingenuous cope is this?>Charm, wisdom, being well storied, these things get you much farther in “life” than material.>But the best things in life come from refinement. Stop this pseudo-intellectual learned helplessness and get your life in order. This aimless flaneur routine isn't impressive. You are fake and gay.
>>77351054Reminder
>>77351336WhyUnless the job is good, he will never be able to move up and have free time and energy.The correct move is to sell drugs or do some other crime. Heads you neet at home, tails you neet in jail. You're all retarded uniromic goy whitoids with weird slave mentalities.Muh hardwork muh jeebus muh societyNo wonder you're going extinct and getting owned by the jews.
>>77351362You're autistic and brown
>>77351378See>>77351362Kys, no one likes you
>>77351336I'm 33 and yeah, staying with your parents is just paying rent mentally. I'm planning on leaving by 35 but i only have 70k in the bank and i don't know what to do. Also i'm in europe so that doesn't help and i only make 2k per month.
>>77351339We always win in the end. Every knee shall bow. Christ is King.
>>77350356>I'm pretty sure my chest and arms are still stronger than average and can walk into the gym and bench 2 pl8s for repsYou can't. There is 0 chance of you doing this.
>>77350911Not true at all moron.
>>77350356Your situation isn’t about working out. Get your fucking money up. It doesn’t matter at this point how your body looks. Living with your parents at that age will turn off any woman. You need to have an honest look at yourself.
>>77351005>>77350977He said that you’re projecting.
Guys be like “I’m 36 I’m gonna turn my life around” nigga it’s over
>>77351034> Why are millennials like this Did you never wake up once in your entire 20s thinking about your life trajectory and future?I genuinely didn’t. Im 34 and the biggest loser on this board. I wasted all of my 20s, I don’t even have a reason or excuse, I just did nothing. I went to my shitty dead end job, come home to my parents house. Don’t make friends, don’t date, don’t do anything.>not even when you turned 30?Yeah, when I turned 30 I realized what I had done to my life and I’ve been in complete suicidal depression since then, so over 4 years. All I think about every single day is how I’ve wasted and ruined my entire life and how I need to do something to get the courage to commit suicide because that is legitimately the only way I will find peace from the unfathomable hell I have created for myself. I’m so severely mentally ill.I have no friends. I have never had a relationship or sex. I live with my parents. I don’t have a career. I haven’t laughed or smiled in many years. I can’t even put into words how miserable my life is and I don’t give a shit about fixing it because I’m completely brain dead. I have no skills, no personality, no memories, no happiness, nothing. Like you said, reaching middle age and realizing that it’s too late. It’s far too late for me. Every night I pray that I die. I literally pray to get cancer or something to kill me.
> I don't even care about getting attention from girls or anythingTsk, then I can't be of help.Curls for the gurls mang.
>>77350356Are you fat from being sedentary, eating like shit or drinking?Stop doing whichever is the problem. Some of that shit might be harder to quit when living with your parents.If you have knee issues, don’t do cardio. Just do sprints. It is less pounding.The upper body lifting is really secondary to your problems. Do whatever you enjoy so you make it a habit.
>>77350911Look at all these seething wishful thinkers in the replies with their exceptions>b-b-but what about muh colonel sanderslmfao
>>77352220arent you that N38 year old troon who wants to be a white woman? who are you to judge anyone lel
>>77352047Oh I thought he had something in addition to what I'd advised to OP. Don't know what he's on about then
>>77352173fat people should walk, not sprint
>in a similar situation to OP at a similar age>realize that today, even for normal people in their 30s it’s hard to date, or change careers, or buy a house, or have positive hope for the future of this horrible world… let alone for a pathetic loser such as myself Seriously, what option do I have besides suicide? I’ll never have a purpose in life. I’m one of the most undesirable guys in society for women. Even if I got a top career, there’s nothing I want. When my parents die I’ll be completely alone. I hate everything and everyone. There’s literally no point.
>>77352569go to churchread or write a bookhelp other people, go to an underground/low profile gymif you can't make friends, thats fine but at least try talking to other peoplei'm a "loser" in my 30s too but have met guys/girls who are complete fucking disasters IRL, it's never over if you keep tryingif you can't find "purpose" think about something you want in your life, like strength, speed, fighting skills, money, wisdom, whatever and try to do something to achieve these things. imagine saying "i want to be the strongest guy in this city" and then build your life around this goal
>>773503561. start something.2. become obsessed.3. it becomes a constant cycle of habit and obsession.this works for all levels.
>>77352120my dad died when i was 28 and it made me realize as awful as he was he actually tried at life.it took me 6 years to get to today and i almost resemble a worthwhile humanit can be done man
>>77353158Yeah and you started 6 years before now, and have reached the age I currently am. I’m this age and still have done nothing. How does someone let themselves reach their mid 30s having achieved nothing in life? Having no spark or drive to stop being completely worthless? Im so severely mentally deficient. My only value in this earth will be whoever gets to use my organs.
>>77350356Lose 30lbs, a bodyweight bench press for reps isn’t strong or average. It’s pretty weak. At this point it’s better to lose weight. Eat less, run. To be really lean you might have to cut to 185ish, as you don’t have much muscle with a Bw bench press. Cut first then lean bulk/build strength after. Fin/min work for hair loss/prevention, but if you’re bald it’s unlikely to help, but it depends on the severity of how much hair you’ve lost. The only way to get that back is a hair transplant plus fin/min. Or use a hair system. Some guys look good bald but you’d have to judge whether your head looks weird or not. For money, do trades at your age. Some kind of trade school, electrician, lineman, plumber, technician, etc... Alternatively could try engineering, civil or electrical if you’re decent at math, or nursing anything else at your age/experience would be a waste of money and require grad school. That’s the only way to get out of your current position, you gotta get your weight, income in check
>>77350944While they are beyond based called freud and his philosophical children "consumerist contrivances" is just a larp to sound smart, otherwise explain it because I say that that whole lineage is excessively sharp and points to a model that brushes with fundamental psychological scaffolding such as the fact that we communicate symbolically with our subconscious, and that we are defined by the limits of language but of course u read memes only like that fag evola probably pseudo ass nigga
Save a little money, pack up what you want/need, move away and start over fresh. It can’t get too much worse than your reality right now but it can be exponentially better. Your life and circumstances aren’t changing much by remaining there. You are who you are there, but if you left you can be someone brand new. Whomever you want to be. Think it over
>>77353525>you’ve made it 36 years living like absolute shit but bro if you move somewhere else you’ll totally just completely do a 180 mindset change and become a normal guy!
>>77353533Dudes 36 living with his folks still. Nothing to lose, everything to gain.
>>77353482Freud, before his later theories, was first thinking about the psychosexual interpretations of ear-nose-and-throat examinations. Quite bizarre stuff, and I don't think even traditional Chinese medicine or Yoga is as absurd as Freud. Freud's theory that spawned psychotherapy begins at the axiom that, at base, man is a collection of appetites, and the root of all appetites was the sexual one, which he called the "libido." This is a personal metaphysical belief of Freud, as far as I'm aware. Freud then makes the case that since all humans, even children, are just big bundles of sexual appetites wanting for expression, the explanation for mental disorders and unhappiness is because of unfulfilled sexual urges. He is similar to another Jewish psychologist "John Money," in that he was a real noncey bastard. Anyway, he called the proceeding disorders from the unfulfilled libido "neurosis."So it's not that you are unhappy about things, you're actually "neurotic." Now that you have pathologized your dissatisfaction or unhappiness into a mental disorder, you can go to Mr. Freud's office and talk about your sex life, which is your life in its totality, because unbeknownst to you, your entire life is sex. Dreams? Sex. Family members? Sex. Friends and acquaintances? Sex. Animals? Sex. Your own children? You guessed it. Now go consume psychiatry and psychologist visits. Put it on credit if you can't pay for it. Attend therapy with the idea that you will never actually be "therapized" effectively once and for all. Of course, even a brief cursory read of Aristotle instantly points one in the right direction and clears things up like a breath of fresh air or a drink of stream water.
>>77353537What I’m saying is if you make it to this age not caring about your life you aren’t gonna flip and suddenly become some rich sociable guy
>>77353545Flipping from not caring about your life would entail suddenly caring about your life He still has his parents, for example
>>77350356Order cyanide.
>>77353541IMO Freud did massive damage to the legitimacy of psychLOLogy by distracting the field from biological factors; latest studies say many depressed patients are generally just sedentary and vitamin D deficient, the only way sex relates to that is they aren't thinking about it as a result of these other factors.
>>77352569your life is the way it is because of the way you envision it. people like you are genuinely helpless unless they change their mindset.read psycho-cybernetics and implement it
>>77353453you think its going to just happen overnight? 20 years of worthlessness will take about 5 or so years to come back fromso start today. your fate is only ever in your own hands
>>77350356>Yep, I used to hit the gym back in the day. >*sips* >I can still probably bench 2 plates you know>You guys tried madcow 5x5?
