>eat more calories>lose weightOh no calorie broshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrPTqnQqlXM
Cico troons can’t stop losing
>>77363209You look and talk like a massive faggot. I'm not believing one word out of your mouth.
>>77363209Look at all the goofy shit they do to mimic a fraction of fasting's power. Literally everything in there that he's like "omg low protein does this!" is all shit we've known fasting does for decades, including the specific effects of proteins absence.
>>77363209>person in thumbnail looks indiannot watching
>>77363209>how i lost weight by poisoning myself like a nigger I am
>only eat eggs, butter and oil>violently shit yourself every 4 hours, expelling heaps of still undigested food>look guys you can eat a gazillion calories and lose weight, this is so much better than just reducing portion sizes a bit!
>>77363209CICO is only valid when controlling for other factors like hormones, hence noob gains and roids "breaking" CICO. It should be seen as a rough guide and not the be all and end all of body composition like midwits think.And if anyone doubts this, spend a week eating 500cals a day more than you do now, but only eat meat, you will lose fat as a result of hormonal changes.
>>77363257I know you don't wanna watch it & I understand why, I wouldn't have if I hadn't been taking a shit. But he's not slinging keto, it's low protein high sugar. Also, keto works and your a fucking retard
>>77363269>spend a week eating 500cals a day more than you do now, but only eat meat, you will lose fat as a result of hormonal changes.>this is what ketotroons actually believewhen it comes to retardations, i am pretty sure you are more gullible retards than vegans, fruitfaggots even.
>>77363274Yore reokying to Moxyte, a literal obese reddit vegan
>>77363284>Retard thinks hormonal changes don't affect weight loss>Retard thinks food has no effect on hormonesRetard.
>>77363291if you have energy surplus your body will use excess fatty acids and store them as fat, you brain rotted sperg. The only way to "lose weight" with meat is to eat 0 fat meat giving yourself a protein poisoning, which I suggest you should really try.
>>77363287>reokyingKeto brainfog
Ever see a fat person in a concentration camp?
>>77363368This
>>77363209Buy an ad.
>>77363241Yea but fasting makes my dick stop working while eating butter keeps it up
>>77363269CICO is never valid because it is false.
>>77363209Bro looks like a piece of jerky
>>77363209>eggs>cheesefilddle dee dee, it's keto yet again
I think no one actually watched this shit.It doesn't stand for the proposition that CICO is false, because the premise of the video is that low-protein diets change your fat cells from white to brown or beige, meaning they're more likely to be burned. It is still CICO because burning fat cells is the CO part of CICO.
>>77363209>Increase metabolic rate so your body burns more Calories at restWouldn't this prove CICO is true?
>>77363209>nobody would ever make up sensational lies on the internet to get people to watch your shitty videos
>>77364658Nobody watched it because they can tell from the title that its dumb and stupid.I bet if I made a shitty YT video saying that I run faster after drinking gasoline and post it here, half of you retards would be dead by morning.
>>77364678>they can tell from the title that its dumb and stupidOnly because they prejudged it like morons. He's able to eat more calories because his body burns more calories.
>>77364690ok so he ate 6000kcal and runs 10 miles or what the fuck ever.Point is it is retarded and just made up bullshit to make money off chumps like you who click on his videos
>>77364704No, he ate a low protein diet so his white fat turned to beige fat and more easily burned. Just watch the video, you stupid retard.
>>77364658>it's still cicoNo it isn't.Pic related is CICO. It is flat calorie theory.If the calorie measurement doesn't measure how fattening food is (it doesn't) then CICO is false.
>>77363209This dude is a pathological liar and/or has schizophrenia. He seems to get some sort of sexual pleasure from lying to people and the lies have just gotten bigger and bigger as time goes on. Don't take anything he says seriously.
>>77363274>But he's not slinging keto, it's low protein high sugar.Literally the first meal he shows himself eating is eggs fried in a whole stick of butter, a bowl of walnuts, and coffee that's more heavy whipping cream than coffee. You fucking idiot. You didn't even watch the video. He LITERALLY SAYS he ate 91% fat 9% protein.
>>77364704He doesn't eat 6000 kcal per day. He ate a total surplus of 6000 kcal over some period of a few weeks and still lost weight. Who knows where that weight loss came from, probably glycogen and other intracellular water because he wasn't consuming any carbs.
>"Calories in calories out">Yes thats true, maybe there are certain behaviors, foods and various potions that have enough of an effect on metabolism to increase the calories out>"heh, bro, heh no bro holy shit you look so stupid right now oh man. Dude, look up the laws of thermodynamics rn. You won't believe what you see Oh my God man thats crazy. Dude its calories in calories out uh duh man, haha oh dear. How can you deny such an obvious thing? Sure I could just explain why you are wrong about certain interventions increasing calories out but like dude why even bother when you are clearly just denying CICO"
>>77363209I don't care the retarded shit u have to do to be able to consooooom shit is just so pathetic I will just count my calories like a normal well adjusted person and it's so fucking easy lol
>>77364721>>77365076why do retards believe everything you see a tiktok video no matter how much it defies, common sense, logic, and knowledge?Its very odd how you religiously defend this guy.How about this, if this video is so great, do what he did and come in a few months with pics of your awesome shredded body you got by eating 6000kcal surplus.Spoiler! You wont.
>>77363241>specific effects of proteins absence.what's this?
>>77365468muscular atrophy
>>77363209>eat more calories>burn more calories>doesn't gain "weight">weight =/= fat>no actual results shown or proof of his experimentWaste of time of a video.OP is a retard.CICO is truth.
>>77365525>no proofthe video is the proof, retard.He even said so.
>>77365076>He ate a total surplus of 6000 kcal over some period of a few weeks and still lost weighthe lost weight so by definition he wasnt in a surplushow stupid are you people?
>>77365591but he said he was in a surplus.Didnt you watch the video? He said he was in a surplus and lost weight.
>>77363209im not listening to some dork who looks like they are both unathletic and weak
>>77365598Based. It’s always the fat or malnourished that claim cico is fake
>>77365565The video is nothing but extrapolating from trials that don't even put to the test.>He even said so.Nvm, I laughed.
>>77365525cico is a sugar merchant scam
>>77363209fatasses cannot stop coping lol
>>77363209>(((Norwitz)))>measure everything himself and call it controlledkike pls
>>77365565>He even said soWell it's a good thing he said so. Now it's proof. Is that how it works to you?
>>77365850I'm in the packet of Big Sugar. I've been sent here to take you out....don't bother making a move, you're dead already. I put a little something sweet in your coffee, see.They'll never trace it back to the industry though. Too many powerful fingers in the pie. The coroner will wipe off these sticky fingerprints and mark your death as another tragic case of "CICO".And the world keeps spinnin'. Butter luck next life, kiddoschizo.
>>77365896he explains it all in the video
>>77363209tracing calories in the body is a nightmare and requires the sort of calculations that online calculators can't actually do. it's basically a pages worth of integrals. calories in calories out also is a bad application of thermodynamics; at the most you're going to establish a hand-wavy minimum. how the human machine actually utilizes those calories will depend on how fit you are in each energy process and how you're using them. the fitter you are the few calories you will use. probably intermittant fasting the single best and most reliable method of managing your bmi.
>>77365945You're just a typical retard who believes marketing.
>>77363209https://youtu.be/nIdxuNMbOlQ?
>>77366149you schizos actually sit around all day watching shit like this?This is what no pussy does to an MFer
>>77366130I'm just a man with a sense of humor and a strong grip on what's what. Learn to take your lumps, sport.
>youtube videoThank god for AI that summarizes this shit for me. As usual there is little actionable info stretched way too long by some pseud that wishes his slop was cinematic instead of informative.
>>77363209Do you have a non onions face version of this video?I cannot watch this chinless lipstick wearing faggot do closeups for 25 minutes.
>>77363209Has he even graduated yet?>I do "experiments" on my self to "start a conversation"What's next?>Nobody else understands the lipid energy model trust me guise
>>77363209Jewish grifter#76484
>>77366205Marketing shapes your reality.You probably got injected with the mRNA pseudovaccines.
>>77363209I swear to God faggots will do ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING instead of just eating real food a few times a day.
>>77366834Bacon and eggs and cream are real foods.
>>77366831>anti vaxxer>keto retardsugar is good for you, sorry chud.
>>77366841>people who believe CICO also believe mRNA injections are safe and effectiveI am glad we agree
>>77364667OP is sourcing a fucking youtube video.
>>77364667CICO is flat calorie theory. If you can eat more calories and lose weight (you can) then CICO is false (it is).
>>77366872Does anyone have that pic collage or post #s from the anon who claims he ate like 5000 kcal on keto and still managed to lose fat?
>>77366831You don't seem to be getting it, champ, so let me give you a clue.We all know just a tiny hit of white powder is enough to send your life to complete ruination, once the last Domino falls at least. But my Sugar Daddy just pays too well for someone with my skills and a record like mine to pass it up.You never should have got messed up in this business. What do you expect when you try to drip some hot sticky truth on our obedient drones? My employers can't just let you Borax the honeypot, now can they?I'm supposed to cane you to death, send a message. But I like ya, kid. That's why I'm only gonna give you a little jab. Our fellas in the lab cookedtl this up, we're going to deploy to the masses under the pretense of getting rid of polio. You'll have some time to get your affairs in order, say goodbye... but you'll be dead in just two weeks.
>>77366989Every retard repeats sugar industry advertising.Sugar merchants spent billions of dollars advertising calorie nonsense for over half a century. Advertising works.
>>77365850>>77366130>>77366831>>77366864>>77367035All of those pics are correct btw.
>>77367040CICO believers think so.
>>77363209CICO is the truthjust as plants take in CO2 for their carbon atoms to turn into energywe take in carbon atoms in the form of fat, protein and carbsthe more carbon atoms from foods you eat the more weight you will gainthe less carbon atoms you eat the more of your own stored carbon atoms aka fat/glycogen you will use
>>77365595A surplus of CI, but also a surplus of CO. Why do you retards begin and end with CI when there are two parts of CICO?
>>77367066CICO is false.Hormonal theory of obesity is truth.
>>77367078cico is correct and stupid at the same time because people focus on numbers instead of satietyand yes hormones play a major rolebecause if glucagon, adrenalin, cortisol and human growth hormone are up your body thinks you are in starvation mode and you will put alot more food into storage aka fat cells than you will use to produce energy
>>77367035>Coke has no more calories than half a grapefruitI hope you're not eating fruit. It's full of sugar.Why do you keep replying to the guy clearly taking the (diabetic) piss by doubling down? Even if you had a point, you come across like an autistic schizo.
>>77367078>increases the size of fat cellsif not new fat cells, what is this, water weight? i'm confused how this contradicts anything
>>77367083>starvation modekek
>>77367094when your body is insulin resistant then your body thinks you are starving and thus creating alot of glucagon, adrenalin, cortisol and human growth hormone since the glucose is unable to enter your cells even tho you have 1 gazillion pounds of fat on your body
>>77367083It's not just satiety. When eating identical amounts of calories on an ad libitum diet you can end up fat or lean depending on the hormonal response to food. Powdered carbs are fattening regardless of satiety or calorie measurement.
>>77367087I am replying to him because he is acting like parroting sugar industry advertising is some secret elite club when actually every moron does it.
>>77367106Yes, that's why people starve to death while still fat. You also fell for propaganda. Was it the fat cope kind or the keto kind?
>>77367120He's mocking you, moron.>>77367124>Was it the fat cope kind or the keto kind?Same thing.
>>77367124nobody that is fat is starvingbut when you as a hamplanet are leaking fatty acids into your system 24/7 your body is mostly burning fat which your body sees as starvation mode and thus turning down your energy, mood, libidoketo/carnivore/fasting is the most retarded shit there is since your body to feel good needs carbs, this also stops the stress hormones i talked about and thus creating insulin sensitivity and you have energy again so you can work out and get rid of your fat stores
>>77367126I understand what he is doing but it's retarded. Everyone who has been exposed to television or magazine advertising repeats CICO nonsense. I used to repeat the same calorie lies when I was a small child. I grew up and learned better.
>>77367142>I was a dumbass who parroted propaganda>but I don't do that anymore, no sireeYou will always be fat until you stop trying to find something convenient to blame instead of putting in the work.
>>77367138correct>chronically low blood sugar = chronically elevated cortisol >chronically raised cortisol = reduced lipolysis >reduced lipolysis = more FFA in the blood>more FFA in blood = insulin resistancesugar is good for you
>>77367158Thanks for your concern.
>>77367159exactly, good man
>>77366052>its a nightmare to keep daily caloric intake the same while making your fitness routine the variable to see how it changes your weight
>>77364897The sugar may be fewer calories but it's already primed to be absorbed, both chemically and from a surface area/ digestion perspective. So there's more calories coming in. Meanwhile the tomatoes you might not fully digest those before you shit them out, taking in fewer calories and expelling more.CICO is god, you simply exist in his kingdom.
>>77367201If you restrict calories and exercise while eating carbs your metabolism lowers until you regain weight.
>>77363209CICO totally absolutely works bro you just have to account for your entire metabolism and tissue structure changes, hormones, heat generation and nutrient partitioning. Just eat less bro there's nothing else to see here
>>77367194Oh, the one on the left is you? It's definitely you, it would be embarrassing and irrelevant to post that 4 year old image in response otherwise.
>>77367210Doesn't vary that much. The little it does vary is easy to accomodate. If you have trouble with basic math or can't afford a scale, just ask for help bro. No need to get so frustrated.
>>77367207>If you restrict calories and exercise while eating more calories, you can gain weightWhat???? You might as well have said if you budget and then spend over your budget, you lose money
>>77363209the problem CICO has is that, only the input is certain, the out part is a best guess and is affected by the type of food you are eating and your hormones.This is unacceptable levels of reality for the video game obsessed autists that love CICO.
>>77367159>>77367196let's explore further>normal glucose metabolism produces NADPH >impaired glucose metabolism wastes NADPH>NADPH is the master glutathione recycler>glutathione recycles vitamin E and C>without glucose metabolism, your body consumes more NADPH and creates FADH2 which further increases ROS>ROS needs vitamin E and C to clearsugar is good for you
>>77367265>sugar is good for youyes it is
>>77367236You don't think it's a problem that their metabolism is below expected?
>>77367228Here's a newer one.
>>77367785Is that you on the left? Who's your example on the right? Why cherrypick that guy instead of the many, many, successful CICO ones? If this is what you consider "proof" it kind of undermines your determination CICO was false and keto was the only way.
>>77367820Everyone in the /fat/ thread who does CICO fails or regains weight within a year or two.
>>77367825You have actual data on that and on how many people keto works for long-term? You seem to mostly value anecdotes, maybe since they allow you to work backwards to justify your beliefs?
>>77367265Wasn't aware of this mechanisms, thanks for illuminating it.
>>77367838Just browse the /fat/ thread. There are no CICO success stories.Keto works long term for everyone who continues to avoid carbs.
>>77367858>There are no CICO success stories.Just recently>>77360607
>>77367858And CICO works long term for anyone who continues to control their caloric intake. In fact, that's how keto works too! If it helps you control your intake by moderating your hunger, that's great. Everybody's different.
>>77363246>person in thumbnail looks indian>not watchingPersonally, I click the link and dislike the video before not watching it.
>>77367858>>77367785> replace high calorie bad carbs with lower calorie protein high foods that make you feel fuller> wtf cico btfo!Really makes you think
>>77367899Some studies have shown that lowering carbs increases energy expenditure at the same claorie intake so it could be the other side of the equation
