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That is judo. This is BJJ

I'm going to take the bait and tell you that the OP pic is Judo.

If you're in the US, BJJ is by far the most accessible grappling sport for adults with tons of rolling partners and a developed community. If you're talking about being effective for da streetz, then it's fine too as long as you have a top-heavy game.
>t Judoka and BJJer
>>77383299
Kek

>>77383295
It's like the only sport on Earth that's judged for its capacity to make you good at something not sports related. If you asked a tennis player about their ability to wield a sword they wouldn't do that well. But it's like what does tennis have to do with swords? What does BJJ have to do with fighting randos in bars? And the worst part is there's never been a fight with a stranger that wasn't stupid as fuck. What? Is he calling you something half as bad as 4chan says every minute? Is he being mean to a woman? What's worth fighting about?

People also criticize BJJ for not being good at stand up. But guess where I got connections and took classes that offered stand up? The fucking same fucking gym. Wrestling small groups, weekly wrestling classes, guys who took judo, connections to judo gyms, muay thai, boxing small classes, MMA camps coming through. I get plenty of exposure.

And by time anyone is actually arguing about the curriculum of what's actually going on in BJJ it's the sweatiest weirdos complaining about leg locks versus passing guard and whether you should be wearing a gi or not. But at the end of the day you really should just show up to class if you like it and you'll likely get an honest class out of it and you needn't concern yourself with the curriculum until you're a blue belt because it doesn't take a lot to give someone their grappling noob gains

>>77383295
I've boxed and kickboxed for probs on and off for nearly two decades with no injuries beyond bust lips bruises, some newfag's cheap shin guard having a sharp edge I cut myself on, and being knocked out for a second or two a couple of times.

but I decided to give rolling a go to add to my arsenal and came out with a tweaked neck, couldn't look left for a whole day, then I did some shit to my back that thank fuck wasn't serious but fucking hurt for several days.
not worth the risk and it's completely useless outside unarmed 1v1, so basically outside the sport.

I used to enjoy watching group MMA (5v5) and grapplers just get raped.
BJJ is "turn yourself and your opponent into a pretzel while his buddies stomp your completely undefended head."

>>77383295
Literal reddit martial art

>>77383295
essential but obviously incomplete
teaches essential techniques taught virtually nowhere else (outside of MMA)
take for example the most common submission hold in MMA - the rnc. absent from judo, sambo and wrestling.

>BJJ is "turn yourself and your opponent into a pretzel while his buddies stomp your completely undefended head."
alongside old-school MMA and self-defense BJJ are the virtually the only martial arts that teach you what to do if you end up on the ground with someone trying to stomp your head

>>77383371
What is this weird schizo word salad?

>>77383391
Grappling is extremely dangerous if you go 100% and dont know what you are doing. You definitely had a big ego thanks to your striking and approached it wrong. You go slow and don't tense and use technique and allow yourself to be put in bad positions to escape and see what works. You tap early and often.

>>77383471
Not him but that female bite reflex of attacking and blaming the victim is something you really should work on, ma'am.

>>77383471
>assuming it was my fault some overjealous fat bjjtard tweaked my neck and overstretched my back trying to "show the striker how it's done"

bump

Once again I repeat that the most dangerous people to roll with are new people. If your instructor is competent they will use several methods to deal with this:
1. Gym enforcer - big fat wrestler or roidfag that can shut down any inexperienced person of any weight
2. Making people sit up to a month before being allowed to roll while explaining repeatedly that there is no "winning" in the training room

If your instructor has no such system in place they are retarded and you are at a retard gym for retards. A 300lb new white belt being matched with a 180lb more athletic but also new white belt striker in grappling is the prototypical snap city matchup. Fatty gets hackles up and smashes striker with pure fat wrestling energy and striker also goes 1000% because they fear embarrassment because they are the "more experienced fighter." In reality they are both garbage and would get obliterated against any trained opponent. Both injure each other and quit.

BJJ is safe (safer than wrestling) if you are in a non-retard gym and you know your limits. Tap right away and if you're drilling moves tell your partner if they're doing submissions too hard for practice. If your gym is making you do cartwheels or weird partner drills like lift and carries and you can't do them safely you have to say no despite le gym culture.

I have been through all of this over almost 20 years in BJJ and it is fascinating to see that white belts injuring each other is still the core of BJJ to this day.

>>77383371
>What does [martial art] have to do with fighting randos in bars?
Retard. Didn’t read the rest. Kys

>>77383295
Rolling around on the ground with other men is a bit gay, anon. There's a reason judo, aikido, etc. don't start or end there.

>>77383935
soccer kick used to solve this problem real easy

>>77383961
blowjob jewtsu enthusiasts will unironically tell you it's a real combat sport after watching this.

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I happen to be something of an expert on the topic
And it's mostly a pretty gay waste of time, totally overhyped slop full of delusional pedophiles with bad attitudes at the top and unathletic boomers at the bottom

Wrestling around with the lads is fun but everything else is awful, especially the way people teach this shit
It's actually incredibly simple and easy but gets overcomplicated because the retards running classes don't have the capacity for basic pattern recognition, so they think there's thousands of moves but really there are only like 6

>>77383929

>aikido
lol

>Judo

Judo does often end on the ground. You can win a judo match via armlock, strangulation or pin.

>>77383295
>two grown men hugging each other and rolling on the ground

>>77384059
Depends on the gym, the lads make it or break it imo
The general popularity of it has definitely had both positive and negative effects on the art and sport
Chill, community type gyms with a variety of skill levels and mixture of competitors and hobbyists is the goldilocks zone for me

>>77384188
BJJ: Latch yourself to someone's back like a fucking leech and punch them in the kidneys over and over again, then pretend it's a martial art to make sweet monies be outlawing the thing that made your name in the first place.

greco roman is superior

Fun sport, good for making friends and having a good time training. Dog shit for self defense and actual fighting. That’s pretty much all you need to know.

>>77384059
It was a lot more fun back in the day before it really took off thanks mostly to Rogan and his friends. The guys you’d meet were mostly normal back then. Now every gym is mostly obnoxious retards.

>>77383371
Let’s be real. It’s the BJJ cultists who insist on evaluating it as something other than a sport. They’re the ones who asking around telling everyone that BJJ is like a forbidden death jutsu technique and instantly makes you the baddest most dangerous motherfucker in every room. Yeah, we all evaluate it as if it’s not just a sport but that’s because they start it.

It’s just a sport, but it’s a fun sport that’s popular where you can make a lot of friends. But you guys are the ones who want to make it into something else.

P.S. whatever “stand up” you’re learning at a BJJ gym is dog shit. I’m sorry to tell you. Go to a legit boxing coach or don’t bother.

>>77383301
It’s beyond useless in da streetz. I don’t know why you fags won’t just accept this. If you are doing a martial art for self defense, you are wasting your fucking time. Maybe one day jiu jitsu will help you grapple for a knife as you get stabbed in the chest 30 times and rapidly bleed out in the process but beyond that, it is beyond fucking useless.

>STOMP STOMP STOMP STOMP STOMP

>>77384311
Not even a fun sport really, that's why every competition tries to make up new rules
Because the ones baked in are at best incoherent

>>77383295
I’ve been training both the last few months but I really think I prefer Judo over BJJ. It didn’t really take me that much time to start hitting throws with Judo but I have a hard time guard passing and finishing subs against lighter guys with more experience. From this I do think BJJ is legit for smaller guys defending themselves from larger guys but also it has limitations and plenty of practitioners have gotten rekt irl using it.

>>77383299
Kekles

>>77384356
That's mainly because BJJ teachers are retarded. You really have no business learning submissions until you have command over pinning, and principally being able to move around between positions without losing control of the other person.
Put your typical retarded BJJ teacher just shows you 2 or 3 random submissions in every class, spends no time working on the soft skills which are actually what matter and you're left to figure it out on your own

Honestly anyone that's teaching jiujitsu and not using CLA at this point is a scammed
The debate is settled on this matter, they're just not running practices properly without it
Everyone always talks about how it takes 10 to 15 years to get to black belt in bjj but the fact of the matter is people who are able to make it 3 times a week should be able to do that in 5 to 6 years
It's the teachers that are bad not the students. Took me only 7 and that was with 1.5 years off from covid lockdowns

The best decision right away was recognizing these morons have no idea what they're talking about, and the idea of being good at jiujitsu makes you qualified to be a jiujitsu teacher is the same as saying I passed 4th grade therefore I'm qualified to be an elementary school teacher

>>77383295
Martial arts are for gays and weebs

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>>77384617
Where do you think you are, anon?

Anyone have any actual good forums or stuff to ask for BJJ advice? /xs/ is too slow and /fit/ is..../fit/...
reposting this from when I posted before:
A couple of months in and I'm struggling in these situations. Any good athletes to take a look at who do more fundamental slower approach? I guess I'll have to look more in Gi competitions
>I get into Mount, opponent just cross his arms so I can't get the neck nor an arm. I could muscle two of my arms to one of his arms but he'll either sweep or control my arm once I go in. I have no idea what the fuck to do here. I only really know Ezekial/Arm Triangle/Americano
>Starting from sitting, I have no idea what the fuck to do. If I grab an arm and their neck they'll kick and sweep me from there. if we're in standing, I either get takedowned and get into someone's mount which fine I know how to escape or I take them down and I either mount (good but run into the first point) or enter their guard. (bad for me, I have no idea how to escape). I just feel like I have more control on what's going to happen while standing but sitting I blink and I'm in a more dangerous mount position.
>How the fuck do I get out of someone's guard? When I try to standup, they trip me with their hands, when they stand up they're already up before I can grab their ankle.

>>77383471
This could all be true, and yet implying that debilitating injuries aren't a 100% certainty for any grappler is outrageous
Everybody gets injured

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>>77384425
Anon you can't monetize a class if you tell every newbie to spend 6 months working on pins and control, you need to sprinkle some techniques in there.

>>77384339
BJJ sometimes is overrated, its not necessarily the most effective style there is, but comments like this are almost always made by retards that never got in a fight in their lives.

It does work, sitting or standing up. The idea you can get on top of them and stomp to death is silly, you can find dojo storm videos all the way from the 90s when everybody tried and failed to do exactly that.

I will say, from a guy that did pretty much every main martial art there is, BJJ exceeds the most on bad situations, when you are already losing for whatever reason, it gives a lot of tools to reverse yourself from bad situations, while most other MA styles answer would be "dont get in that situation to begin with".

>>77384657
Typically you would attempt a submission to bait them into giving you an opening
Cross collar choke or Ezekiel, then as soon as they go to defend then control an arm for armbar or americana or finish the choke
Don't get swept so bail on attacks If they start bridging or framing on your hip
Also scoot your legs up to their armpits when they give you room while defending your attacks
If its gi then lapel chokes are fun from there
Another thing you can do is, once your have an arm either turn them on their side and go to triple threat, realistically they should be on their side to escape most times anyway if they aren't them you punish them with pressure
They wanna lay flat with arms crossed? Grapevine they asses and let them cook with as much pressure as you can manage
And that's just basic white/blue belt shit

>>77383502
Seething. Imagine getting your shit pushed in and not wanting to learn to become the winner. Couldn't be me senpai

>>77383935
Dude is scared to go near him when he's LYING DOWN

This is how powerful bjj is

>>77384667
Bjj is the only thing that will help you if some big mental idiot decides to sucker tackle/choke you from behind/ you get dragged to the floor or you have to restrain someone until police arrive.

Unless you get lucky with a 1 punch ko then you'll need bjj to survive against someone bigger or stronger or more mental

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BJJ is stupid.
Do Judo instead.

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Judo is stupid.
Do BJJ instead.

>>77384708
What are the rules against distracting an opponent with your large boobs?

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>>77384339

>>77384682

I like BJJ, but Judo, Wrestling and Sambo are also going to give you the tools you need for that situation.

>>77384671
I'll try it next time. I think my biggest problem is I'm freezing up when going into mount. My literal go-to was Mother's Milk but then a higher belt smacked me upside my head and told me it was a dirty submission (although I'm sorta like...all submissions are kinda dirty). Wrangling their arms when they're tight as fuck is hard. My first club was more of MMA style so they would ground and pound to open people up but you can't really do that in BJJ so my brain just goes HURRRDURR CROSSFACE (okay what now dumbass)

BIG HELP HELP HELP. I have two tournaments coming up in september and I have only like 3 months of experience. I'm still getting ragdolled around in all my rolls (the good news is I think I can last the full round without ever getting submitted to at least 2/3rds of my class so at least my defense is getting better...).

Is there any good supplementary training I can do at home or after training? A mobility program is probably a good one. I already strength train (3x a week) and run (3x a week), BJJ is at 6x. (usually 1 hour - 2:30 hours). I usually deload every 6 weeks and put bjj at 4x a week while running and training is significantly reduced (still keep the same tempo but much less volume). I wouldn't say I've "burnt out" (I know how it feels) but most of my BJJ especially with the damn heat I can't seem to muscle or exert much power. (which can be a good thing I guess? I have to resort to a lot of technique which I'm not really good at yet) It's starting to get really noticeable as I don't think I've submitted a single person this whole week unless for a few where I had a big weight difference. Fuck even someone's first class they were able to submit me (in my defense I wasn't expecting a full on fucking imanari roll, I still don't believe that's his first class)

>>77384667
>you need to sprinkle some techniques in there.
I refuse

They can take 10 years to get good by learning techniques or they can do it my way in half that time

>>77383295
You will burn more calories than you ever have in your life. About 800-1200 per hour of rolling and you won't even notice the time pass.

>>77384708
god I wish there was porn of this. Martial arts girls are the hottest. I know about mixed combat crap but that's just porn stars not even cosplaying well.

>>77384751
Did he shoot him in point blank the taint? Jesus Christ.

>>77383295
Exposing yourself to disgusting bacteria/STD's for a skill which isn't all that practical for self defense. Have to roll around with sweaty men in a homosexual manner, will likely lead to joint issues.

Only worth it if you're gay

>>77383295
13 year old me in 1991(in Brazil) was invited to train what was simply called Jiu-jitsu or Gracie Jiu-jitsu in a club founded by early BJJ weirdos. I said no thanks and stayed at my judo school. Looking back, it was the right call, BJJ culture is simply bizarre.

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>>77385066
Agh! Oh no! Help meee!!

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>>77385097
Also the lore about the people in charge is a big yikes

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>>77384756
Those are all weight class sports. Bjj ground game is so rich that a person who weighs much less than you can dominate

>>77384790
I can't respect anyone that says mothers milk is "dirty", its hilarious and maybe a little low skill
I personally think if you can pull off a good smother then its mildly impressive
Just don't do it every single round, or do fuck those uppity niggers
bjj people get some weird ideas about what is acceptable sometimes and try to enforce it on others
Perfect example of someone who has a bad attitude and you shouldn't bother rolling with
That said there's plenty of variety in mount attacks, part of the fun is trying new things and seeing what works for you
perfect question for a class when they are teaching mount based stuff
"So coach, what's your favorite submission from mount?"
As a newish white belt, i would focus more on escapes and pins until you are never in a position you don't immediately know a couple ways to get out of but maybe thats just me

>>77384756

BJJ has weight classes in competition, and every Judo, Wrestling and Sambo gum is going to have you regularly sparring with people of all weight classes.
Again, I agree with ypu on the strengths of BJJ, I just disagree thst it is the only style that has those strengths

>>77385224
reposted because I misfired on the reply.

>BJJ has weight classes in competition, and every Judo, Wrestling and Sambo gum is going to have you regularly sparring with people of all weight classes.
Again, I agree with ypu on the strengths of BJJ, I just disagree thst it is the only style that has those strengths

>>77385626
I do kinda get it, you do want something clean vs just SMOSH UR FACE IN. Although he was comparing MM with a RNC and how MM is just not cool I'm like....yeah I don't really wanna be locked into either of them LOL One of the higher belts thought me the punch choke too but a lot of people went like WTF man so I stopped using it. Call me a bit ego or prideful but I always see the higher belts use me as practicing their escapes so they purposely give me the position but I just want something where I can go haha, you underestimated me.

But ironically I did do MM like a lot. Like almost yeah every round since I had no fucking idea what else I could go for and with their tight ass arms I couldn't really mobilize them...

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Back off!

Is it likely that a Gracie run gym in NYC will be good?

>>77386114
Renzos?
All the high level talent moved on to greener pastures now
A lot of people go there because of where it's located but I'd say it's not worth the money at all. You're looking at around $300 a month for average level instruction. It has name recognition, that's all

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>>77385679
Don't get me wrong, people tend to go harder than they need to at first to prove they are good, so that's possibly what you are seeing from the occasional sour upper belt
That's why Carlson Gracie schools are the best, smeshing people and old school pressure is part of the style
It's the 120lb string beans that are like "Well dude, a-aaaaaacksually that was a dirty move and also more of a neck crank so you should work on your technique some more"
stfu nigger, tap if you dont like it
It's them preserving their ego 100%
Ignore this type of bullshit
Training is a learning experience, so learn, be a good training partner, avoid actually injuring other people and work moves more than trying to simply "win"
If that involves an occasional smother so be it, I dont know anyone that got their shoulder or knee torn apart by a smother
BJJ is a social sport but for autists so keep in mind whoever you are rolling with is probably horrible at interacting with people before you even get into the ego saving, dirty move declaring, strength shaming side that people introduce into it
This is why the lads make or break the gym


TLDR bjj is gay

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I'm warning you >:(

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It's time to unleash my power

>>77386238
If you feel your opponent resisting your move it might not be the correct move to use at that time. Properly timed moves feel very light and easy.

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>>77383295
>Let me lay on my back on the ground while you get in between my legs
>This will help me in a street fight
Learn boxing for good footwork and keeping distance, and judo if someone gets too close to you. Stay on your feet as much as possible in an actual fight

>>77386273
Well yes, that's why static repetition isn't an effective intervention for developing skill but is also unfortunately the primary method used

Get your reps in boys, 2 and 2 then switch :^)

>>77386296
Just run away, and if you can't run away, it means they're restraining you, and so BJJ is good to know

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JUDO IS KING

BLITZ EVERYONE

YAHHHHH

>>77386296
You will go to the ground in a real fight it's inevitable and if you don't know how to grapple and your opponent does you're simply dead

>>77386530
And while my homosexual opponent is busy with his "rolling", I will simply dig his eyeballs out of his skull and crush his nuts.

>>77386546
You're an actual child

>>77386551
>noooooooooo you have to follow the rules or-or-or-or you're a child!

>>77386553
>I'll totally backflip and crush my enemies skullz! I don't need to know how to grapple!
you're 12

>>77386559
Do you think sticking my fingers in your eyes or grabbing your nuts requires a 20 year apprenticeship to a chinese monk? All the instructions you need are in this post. Why does that make you so mad? You must be bald or something

>>77386563
God you're retarded

>>77386576
>cant explain anything
>just gets mad and repeats his pitiful insults

There is a child here but its you

>>77386582
>I'll karate chop his neck and rip off his nuts!
>oh you think I'm a retard cuz I'm typing the same shit every 12 year old who's never been in a fight says? you're mad!
enjoy your delusional fantasy world

>>77386590
You already posted this like three times, anon
Im real sorry you wasted years on gay wrestling but thats not my fault

>almost time for BJJ
>always have to shit
how do I stop this from always happening god fucking damn it

Ok I will end this argument with one video
https://youtube.com/watch?v=II4vHnf1A5E

All you bjj fruitcakes pretend you're Orsu Corsu in this fight and tell me how it goes

>>77386603

Is Orsu Corsu the guy who got clinched up, taken down, and controlled on the ground before getting eye gouged?

Yeah man, no way a grappling skillset could have helped him there...

>>77386603
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/w3_XG6BZsws
listen to what he says lol

>>77386563
Its like bas rutten said
You touch my eyes I break your neck

>>77386563
Like the other anon said, Bas solved the eye poke question 25 years ago: You touch a guy eyes from a disadvantageous position, he will fucking kill you right then and there. The cartoony reaction of stepping back and yelling ouch my eye like an action movie goon doesn't happen in real life.

I'm struggling in my trainings now. I feel like I'm way too tired to do any explosive or actual grappling moves which is fine or whatever so I can focus on technique (but I'm a beginner so like what technique lol). But I feel like I'm wasting my opponents time since most of the time I'm a deadlay or an easy target. I can only really overpower people with a huge weight difference which feels bad for me. I don't know if I should dial back my other cross training but at the same time I don't really feel like cutting it out will bring my explosiveness back... It's just really starting to get hard to roll with people since I'll try some techniques out but they're so fucking heavy and stiff it's hard to get a takedown or a sub which fine that's fair but damn got no energy to straight out muscle them out.

>>77383295
Bjj is inferior to every form of grappling out there.

Bjj takes pride in being able to fight from the bottom position but the only reason you should be able to fight from there is to get up, going for leg locks or whatever meme shit bjj does only works when there's no strikes allowed, when gnp is added to the mix you can't stay on the bottom for long.
Another thing is because everyone wants to fight from the bottom guard their top control is underdeveloped and as a result their defense against top control is underdeveloped which means their bottom guard is not as effective as they think, once someone puts weight on them they are helpless.

Bjj also takes the meme route of not doing any significant strength training thinking time on the mat is more important which makes them extremely weak.

Their stand up wrestling is a joke, they have no idea how to grip to take someone down and if someone does a takedown or a throw they just let themselves be thrown for the sake of entering groundwork and that's if they don't immediately pull guard.

Every form of grappling can be loosely categorized as rollers, flippers and fatsos, rollers are the stereotypical bjjfag, lots of butt scooting, rolling on their shoulders, leg entanglement and scrambles, the flipplers are the ones that use bodylocks and sweeps while on the ground to flip you over and go from bottom to top control or back control and the fatsos are the top control heavy pressure.
Rollers are the weakest because to do all that they need space while flippers and fatsos eliminate all space.
Judo is specialized on flipping and removes the weight of top control over you while on top they use heavy top control to pin.
Wrestling, greco, freestyle, college, folk, catch or sambo are all about top control but rarely can take someone off them.
Bjj is all about rolling and rarely can get someone off them if they have decent top control.

There's no benefit from doing bjj over doing any other form of grappling.

>>77387001
Funny isn't it? You're paying someone good money to learn a skill and feel the frustration of basically being on your own and needing to go online for support
Even if you asked you'd get some useless platitude like "ayee just keep showing up my fren" "pressure makes diamonds" "drillers make killers" of course none of these things are true

It's the typical BJJ experience. Really think about this, the instructor is a broke ass jiujitsu instructor because he isn't smart or competent enough to do literally anything else. An entry level minimum wage job probably pays better than what he's doing.
His only barely monetizable skill is rolling around on the ground in pajamas

He's not qualified to teach a he has no coaching credentials, he hasn't read the literature he's just some jackoff that brute forced his way to ability because he had nothing else going on in his life. And in the grand scheme of things he's probably not even particularly good at that, sure he's better than the general population at something, but think of the number of jiujitsu schools there are around at the world none of the instructors would even be able to qualify for the most low level professional competition
So even among his peers he's a nobody which is why he's teaching instead of making money off of instructionals, seminars, and competitions


Tl;dr you're on your own and the sooner you realize that the better you'll be

holy fucking shit who triggered this braindead fucking autist?

>>77384805
Watch film
Talk to your coach about a game plan - you want to know what you’re doing in the first second of the match or you’ll freeze up
Have an escape or two from every position
Eat well
Visualize

After all that, do sitouts and “shadow rolling” at home

>>77387123
Keep being bad if you want
Doesn't bother me, I can lead you all to the promised land but you need to choose to follow

>>77387140
Sitouts? Any good films to review?

>>77384059
>they think there's thousands of moves but really there are only like 6
Kek this.
I've been doing mma for half a decade now and I learned when it comes to grappling all you need is the triangle, guillotine, RNC, armbar, leg locks, and kimura, and their variants.
>"Bu-but what about the omoplata gogoplata pizzalata?!"
Things need to be a lot simpler when you need to worry about punches on the ground. Shit like figure four leg locks, omoplata and other shit where you spend more time losing control on the opponent to set up something a simpler sub can do faster is aikido tier.
But I guess when both "fighters" start sitting down, legs crossed, striking is forbidden, and tampons on, you have the luxury of all the complex set up to just do a kimura.

Saying you can fight with only bjj is like saying you can build a bridge as a mathematician because engineers use math.

>>77383295
its fun, like most combat sports its quite important you find a good gym, mine is primarily BJJ but we do a lot of mma sessions that also include standup and wrestling and shit.
also currently recovering from ACL surgery LOL

>>77384319
>but le stand up
I shoot, now what?
Lol any boxer without preliminary mma or wrestling training would get taken down and given more CTE than all his dumb sparring sessions combined.

>>77385184
pedos, gays, or gay pedos?

>>77383742
>>77383471
I have a 10th planet near me and would like to start going. Was concerned about injury. But sounds like its mostly spaz's and triehards

from reading this thread, i am probably not going to touch BJJ or Judo until i can do neck extensions with a 45 plate

>>77388114
Kurt angle still broke his neck

>>77388114
There's like 5 cases of people dying from a broken neck on a BJJ class, it can happen I guess but you are probably more likely of getting run over on your way to your class.

>>77388114
Don't do the gi and don't let anyone gaslite you into doing the gi, it's A common injury for you to get an arterial dissection in your neck from it because of those collar chokes. Turns into a clot which shoots into your brain and then you have a stroke

It took a while for people to put it together that this is happening because the stroke doesn't happen right away, it could happen weeks or months later when you're just walking around

>>77383295
>blow job job

>>77388253
Proper pronunciation is buh jay jay

>>77388114
20lbs is enough though.

>>77384751
How the fuck do you have someone in spider-gaurd and not knock them down the moment they reach?
You just push up with your legs and they fall down and you can take mount.

Dr Mike Isratel is a bjj black belt and he's based.

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>>77388405
"Dr" Mike is a "black belt" that lost a debate about training modalities to a guy with highschool education

>>77386131
Yeah Renzos
And thank you, what are some better options?

>>77387674
>I'll take you to the floor, now what?!
No one's impressed by your willingness to blow guys.

>>77388554
You're in Manhattan or were just looking there? Because Marcelos is kinda washed also, unity is still good, but if you're in an outer borough there's more affordable choices

>>77388402

Dunno. Maybe he just wanted to shoot a guy in the asshole.

>>77383295
Martial arts are sports not combat training. Maybe they help, but at the end of the day you aren't allowed to kick the other guy in the balls or bite his ear off.

>>77390148
Biting really just charges up someones rage meter

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bjj bros won

>>77390266
If bjj was effective then a fight wouldn't be called off because of his inability to stand
All the bjj was still available for him to use, but they know you can't actually win with just that so it was a forgone conclusion

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>>77385189
>Outer Heaven
So they lure you in with hot girls doing leg locks on you, then send you to die in an endless war against The Patriots' proxies.

>>77388166
i got rear ended on the way to class and still went and trained but i do a lot of neck bridges

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>>77384059
>I happen to be an expert on this topic
>it's a gay waste of time
I trust this man.

I like CACC

I'm just getting annoyed on how hard it is to improve BJJ by looking for advice online
>Some retard saying "LE GAY JOKE" instead
>Some retard fucking complaining about BJJ WONT WORK IN A REAL FIGHT
>Some retard saying NUH UH THAT WOULDNT WORK IN A REAL FIGHT (even though it's literally a proven technique)
>Some super retard going I NEVER HAD TO SUPPLEMENT ANYTHING IM A FIGHT GENUIS GOD LOOK AT ME PRAISE ME

I trained it for a year or so. My goal was just to get competent enough to be able to deal with untrained people if I ever need to. Did the same thing with boxing though I still do that once every week or so.

I'm 6'2'' and the first day I was there I got absolutely ragdolled by a megamanlet that wasn't even trying (obviously since they know I dont know shit). If you're untrained and on the ground with someone competent you're just fucked.

Anyways it's a very useful tool but theres a sort of synergy with striking and grappling that a lot of people refuse to think about cause they're tribal retards. I think 3-6 months of training each is sufficient for self defense.

I didn't really like training BJJ though. The culture is kinda weird, it's expensive, even if you get a good gym (which isn't that easy) the injury risk is higher than you'd want etc. Also it just feels pretty fucking gay to roll with dudes but it's way more uncomfortable to roll with women for obvious reasons.

>>77391624
I've told you what you need to do and graciously explained the science behind motor learning and skill acquisition and just get called an autist

There is no magic bullet, you need to do focused live work 100% of the time
Sports are not a cognitive process they're reflexive
"Repping" is fake
"Muscle memory" is fake
"Drilling" is fake
There's no such thing a "proper technique"

>>77391693
I don't feel gay I think it's fun. How lame do you have to be not enjoying wrestling the first and most primal sport

>>77392123
number 3 and number 4

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>>77390266

>>77383295
It's like Judo, but for homosexuals.

>>77383295
redpill u on blowjobjobs?

>>77384674
Pretty sure in real life you could easily just throw a trash can at his head and solve that issue of a guy on the ground trying to bait you into a grapple

>>77395917
Pretty sure in real life he will just grab you, drag you to the floor and break your neck

Or ko you with one leg kick

BJJ and JUDO are both McDojo tier
kikemaga is also McDojo tier

>>77395955
Pretty sure in real life I would just grab an improvised weapon and brain him with it

>>77396155
Pretty sure in real life he would just kick your knee because he has better distance management or literally take the blow because he's conditioned to taking hits and then destroy you

>>77383295
Bjj is for people that are too weak to do judo or wrestling.

>>77383295
Divorced dad hobby right next to doing 4am runs, tracking them on your giant g-shock because of Jocko.

>>77396992
And whats a married dad hobby? Rotting in the living room?

>>77397124
Dad's just aren't cool enough to play minecraft until 2 a.m. and never own a house

>>77397124
Having sex

>>77384696
God if 4chan collectively stepped into the average Judo gym you'd all stop saying this shit about the sport. You'd get so fucking mad about having to do the proper bows, remember the names of moves, getting insurance from a regional branch of an international group, calling someone with a glorified bachelor's degree sensei, and some fat 40 year old woman critique your manners. You'd only get a proper round on comp class day and even then only a couple.

Then you go to BJJ, show up 10 minutes late, call the professor a slur (he laughs), and laugh with your bros. You thrash them around for the second half of class and do stand up rounds afterwards.

The romantic image of Judo is so much better than the practical reality of doing it.

>>77397216
2 graciecoins have been accredited to your account!