Tl;dr>skinny fat subhuman dyel>gymcel for 2 years>bulk up to 80kg>minimal muscle gains, got mostly fat around tits (already have gyno), hips>cutting rn to 65kg or less>goal is to start with a fresh slate with zero fatIs this retarded or no. I don't care about mass at all, I just want to get shredded even if I'll look like auschwitz prisoner so that I could properly bulk up later down the line.
>>77391627no it's not retarded, unless you have the frame for it (which doesn't seem like you do) you can't look "strongfat"
>>77391666>checked satanA lot of people tell you to just bulk up which I did but it's not optimal for dalits like me with chicken bones. My idea is just to cut as much as possible and then slowly bulk up with minimal fat gain because I'm very frail frame wise.
>do a split>make sure you get enough protein>don't get fatthat's ityou don't need to do meme shit like bulk/cut cycles unless you want to be a competitive bodybuilder
>>77391627Getting lean is fine but you should still eat enough protein and put as much effort as you can into lifting. The reality is that if you lifted for 2 years and gained 10-15kg with minimal gains your training/diet/sleep probably suck. If you go on a reasonable cut, eat enough protein, get good sleep and actually train properly you'll be able to gain a bit of muscle or at the very least preserve it. Because your noob gains are likely mostly intact I'd wager on the former.
>>77391676>99% of natties that are jacked got there by bulking and cutting>uhm akshually just maingain broFuck and fuck greg douchette.
>>77391677>>77391676Fell for protein and bulking copes. Whey protein shakes, lots of diary, meat, muh intensity. My starting point was very abysmal, like below below average so I guess that's the main culprit. I highly doubt that a male with average genetics needs to autistically track everything and push himself in his workouts till he shits himself to see proper gains.>results for the record https://litter.catbox.moe/dgx9l9tdz1zw75bu.png
>>77391694>My starting point was very abysmal, like below below average so I guess that's the main culpritNo, the culprit is sleep or diet or training or most likely all 3, like I said.>I highly doubt that a male with average genetics needs to autistically track everything and push himself in his workouts till he shits himself to see proper gains.Well the only thing you've managed to do in 2 years is get fatter so maybe acquire some humility? Yes, you need to eat properly. When you've been lifting for a few years and you eat the same meals all the time you can just eyeball but there's a reason basically everyone that succeeds at this tracks calories. And yes you need to push yourself in the gym. It's not that hard, it doesn't hurt that much and if you don't do it you're basically just a pussy.
>>77391698I'm a neet so I always get around 9-10 hours of sleep. Went from 0 pull ups to 30kg added weight ones. That must amount to something?
We got another one lads
Height? I looked like this at peak bulk
>>77391789185cm
Routine? How’s your strength compared to before? Did you eat and track protein, calories? Do you lift intensely close to or to failure?>>77391694It’s not all bad you did make some gains in arms, shoulders, pecs and back is not bad. You started with a poor body composition so you were not gonna look great magically until you cut fat later down the line. If you cut and lock-in you could look not too bad
>>77391681Idk why people overcomplicate it. A properly done bulk should put on 20ish pounds a year, and that can be lost in about 2-3 months. People just think bulks needs to be getting far as hell for some reason.
>>7739189530kg dips and pull ups are my maxes (my bw is 75kg). On compound lifts I go all out till I mildly black out. Only happens when I do weighted variations of those exercises. As for calories, I track protein and macros on every meal. Got a BIA scan too. Results were 13kg fat mass, SMM of 35.5kg and FFM of 63.5kg. I know that BIA is mostly a scam but I just wanted to see where I am at roughly.Back pic for the record (I have wide hips and high lat insertions, I know that)https://litter.catbox.moe/1tfgzuhiaz00ys9v.png
Just do a slow cut (1lb to 1.5lb a week) while continuing your regular lifting routine. This will ensure you lose minimal muscle during your cut and won’t have to “mega bulk” again.Also, do cardio.
>>77391694Tracking calories is a necessity in the USA nowadays.Most people don’t even realize that they’re slurping down 1,500 calories a day of corn syrup. Tracking calories let’s you actually recognize how much you’re eating. You don’t even have to do it yourself. There’s apps for it.For me, I didn’t realize my Chipotle order was actually fucking 1,100 calories until I logged it for the first time. I used to order that + chips and queso on the side. That’s over half a day of eating in one order.>picrelHere’s a Crumbl cookie where a serving is “1/4” of a regular size cookie. It doesn’t come sliced into quarters. It’s just a cookie. Crumbl writes their nutrition label this way so normies don’t realize they just ate 1,000 calories in 7 seconds.
>>77391944I cut out goyslop besides occasional energy drinks and for the record, I'm a nordcuck, so the food that we eat is different compared to what amerimutts gobble
>>77391947Eating healthy food is great, but portion sizes matter. A lot of meals at restaurants, even in Europe, are well over 1,000 calories.Like here’s my Chipotle bowl. Chipotle isn’t even bad for you. This is mostly brown rice, beans, and chicken. It’s got 90g of protein. But it’s also 1,100 calories. So if I eat this for lunch, I know I probably shouldn’t have waffles for breakfast and a huge bowl of spaghetti for dinner.You’re clearly eating more than you think since you’re fat. You can lose weight even on goyslop.
>>77391959Btw, here’s that same order with a side of chips and queso. Now add a bottle of Coke (240 calories). Boom, 2,095 calories in a single meal that you ate in 10min. Not even a huge amount of food. A burrito bowl, a small side of queso, and a drink.
>>77391959Too broke to afford to eat out. I eat chicken breasts, all sorts of dairy, occasional steak and etc.
>>77391944>eat three cookies per day>free gainsBased amerifats.
>>77391929You still haven’t shared your routine, you’re not one of this guys that just do whatever they feel like on a given day and expect great results are you?
>>773926594 sets of pull ups till failure, 3 sets of dips, 3 sets of rows, 3 sets of lateral raises, 3 sets of calf raises, 3 sets of toes to bar. Doing it every other day, every other workout is with a weighted vest.
>>77392777This is a meme routine and it explains you didn’t get as far as you could have in 2 years. It should be weighted always, why are you only doing that sometimes? You should be using progressive overload always. Depending on how you do the dips and what is limiting, you’re under training pecs, or tris. Biceps have no direct work. You’re only targeting side delts missing front and back if you care. Not training legs is your choice I guess.
>>77391627>gymcel for 2 years>minimal muscle gainsassuming you weren't doing the most full retard routine and diet of all time this is either a sign of clinically low testosterone or Indian-tier genetics
>>77391959how much did this cost?
>>77392935it's a perfectly reasonable routineyou're just splitting hairs
>>77393046I’m not, there is no biceps work and lower back work and he’s not really doing progressive overload, those are big gaps that actually make a difference. It’s not hard to fix either. I guess OP does not care about lower back and legs, fine. Throw in 3 sets of curls, do every exercise weighted always not just every bow and then, with progressive overload, add more weight when you reach a set nb of reps. Done
>>77392777Are you in the calisthenics thread calling everyone a fatass for not training like a moron like they do? This is a standard routine you see out of that community.
>>77392948Test is the most meme hormone desu, barely any impact past puberty (unless roided). I just probably have jeet genetics>>77392935Like I said, I change them in between, one work out is with weights and the other one is with BW. When I do bodyweight stuff, I also practice my muscle ups, front levers, and other harder variations. Doing more reps each set counts as progressive overload too.
>>77391627ss+gomad will do the trick
>>77391627In a similar situation though I became a 100 kilo built fat guy from 80 skinny fat. Now I'm jacked fat whatever you call it.
