people here are really fat, when you have some muscle and abs they automatically think you're a roider because they actually never really tried mastering their diet

most guys here are elite lifters who have far outgrown the usefulness of calisthenics

>>77392191
Most people here can 't make 1 pull up.

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>>77392186
This is a fair point, beyond shitposting I really don't get the hate for calisthenics.
>Simple, straightforward exercises
>No/little equipment needed
>Forces you to learn how to control your entire body
>Gets you a respectable physique
>Immediately impresses normalgroids who think anything beyond a few push ups are 'strong'
>Is actually beneficial to stay at a lean, healthy weight and not massively bulk up to endlessly chase numbers no one outside the gym gives a shit about

>>77392186
Because doing them require a very lean and generally smaller physique. Not necessarily weaker or less muscular.
Most of /fit/ was likely bullied or otherwise felt rejected by society and probably live with a higher than normal level of social and generalized anxiety.
It's easy to pretend your safe can't hurt you if you have convinced yourself you're bigger and stronger than you are.
It's the whole "victim weight" thing in real life.

>>77392186
calisthenics require more effort than free weights, and so /fit/cels feel insecure when someone does it.
truth nvke

>>77392186
People on /fit/ don't even know where their adductors are, have never trained serratus resulting in that horrendous posture and would shit out their spine trying to do a single dragon flag.

>>77392206
>making pull ups
there is no make, only do

>>77392206
That would be the equivalent of a 500 pound lift for most of /fit/

>>77392186
>free of charge
>available everywhere
>no one hijacks your equipment
>strong upper body and mind muscle connection are inevitable
>forces you to stay lean
>mires from random passers

Always preferred it to lifting. It's just feels more pragmatic and natural.

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>>77392186

Believe it or not: There are people who can't do a single push-up.

Think about that for a minute. They try, they fail. They try again the next day, they fail again. They get discouraged, blame their genetics and wallow in their misery with a bucket of Ben n' Jerry's.

Meanwhile, in the gym, if the weights are too heavy you just pick up lighter weights and start there. And over time you will notice your progress.

>>77392190
This
>>77392191
Not this. The majority of this board are larpers that readily embrace powerlifting & bodybuilding because they're the only forms of training that the larping fatties believes permit their currently existing diets.

>>77392186
Calisthenics is like bouldering or running. In itself kinda cool, but the majority of people doing it are insufferable cunts.

>>77392255
very true, and balance and coordination likewise filter people. though i don't know if that can be developed in the gym the same way. you can certainly work on those things with weighted exercises, but you won't automatically be able to do many calisthenic movements by doing so and being strong enough. many of the more involved ones will only be achievable by practicing that particular movement, like many things in sports and athletics (or physical skills in general). obviously any person aiming for actual fitness should be able to do things like pull ups, push ups, single legged squats, etc., but it seems like some people feel there's something about being able to do enough party trick type movements makes you stronger, healthier, better

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>>77392272
>they're the only forms of training that the larping fatties believes permit their currently existing diets
for me, it's strongman

>>77392300
Shit, god damnit, I knew I forgot one.

>>77392186
ppl here still go to a gym to lift goybells and run on slopmills?

like the other anon said, there's a lot of unfit /fit/izens that larp like they're on their way to becoming power lifters or strongmen and are just morbidly obese with bad lift numbers on this board. they'll use words like victim weight, twink etc, when it comes to some guy who can do a human flag and is shredded weighing 155lb below 6ft but then they themselves couldn't even run for ten minutes or do 20 pushups with good form lol.

>>77392186
"Calisthenics" are very ineffective at building muscle past a certain, very low, point.

>>77392223
Hardly. Getting to 1/2/3/4 was much harder than maxing out calisthenics.

>>77392325
>Getting to 1/2/3/4 was much harder than maxing out calisthenics.
See, this is one of the aforementioned fat larpers. Who obviously has no idea what it means to "max out" calisthenics and likely can't do a single pull-up let alone a muscle up or dragon flag or planche.

>>77392186
Jealous fatties

>>77392186
A lot of anons here have focused on jealous fatties, which holds some truth. What they all neglected to mention is that there's an insufferably smug portion of the community that think doing a pullup is more impressive than Hafthor deadlifting over half a ton.

>>77392325
1/2/3/4 is easy compared to an iron cross, even entry level things like a human flag or muscleup I bet you can't even do a frog stand

Most calisthentics are exhausting and boring. Also, except for some of the bar/pullup stuff, all it does is make you look DYEL, if youre lucky. Finally, the "progressions" to do the cool stuff are fake - if youre fat or weak you cant do it at all. Conversely, nobody is too fat to bench press.

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>>77392186
Been doing calisthenics for 2 years now after lifting for 4-5. The "community" has a lot of annoying problems.

You know when people mention they have a 2pl8 bench or whatever, and then someone pops in to say actually they're stronger because of their "bodyweight ratio" even though they only bench 100lbs? It's ten times worse in the calisthenics community. I came across one pretty popular guy on youtube who eventually revealed he is literally a midget because he is able to do full extension L-sit pull ups on dip stands. K-Boges heavily photoshops his thumbnails. It's very sneaky and dishonest when discussion about more advanced stuff than push-ups comes into play because it leads to these bloated standards like human flags. Basically, they deny biomechanics and basic physics.

Then there's constant mythology about calisthenics. Your body fundamentally does not care if you're doing a push-up or a dumbbell bench press. The push-up is not """functional""" and the weights don't make you fat, slow and retarded. Trying to talk calisthenics with people is almost impossible because you are shouting above a hoard of dyel midgets screaming about their "functional fitness." If you have the means, there is no reason to restrict yourself to pure calisthenics yet I keep seeing people PAY FOR A GYM MEMBERSHIP TO GO DO BODYWEIGHT TRAINING.

It's also bad for "absolute" strength because you are denied the ability to easily adjust load, which is the most important thing for continuing strength progression. This leads to the phenomenon of trainees rapidly improving to some intermediate progression, then getting stuck. It's really hard to get past walls in calisthenics because a jump from a two arm pull up to a one arm pull up is a 100% increase in force production. The "regressions" frequently fail to get you over the wall, which look more and more self-selective for certain limb lengths than sport mastery.

(cont)

>>77392223
No it just reminds me when I used to do retarded shit like 100 push ups a day thinking I would get jacked it's embarrassing and try hard

>>77392392
See, now with this level of cope, i guarantee this is a lardass with a hanging gut who will never post body.
>All thes bullshit ass issues
Oh you mean like are present in literally every form of training. Sybaum

I like using/testing the rings every now and then to see if I can take pushups or dips with them and I always like the feeling when I initially twitch quite a bit but then get a hold of it and get a deep stretch.

>>77392392
The calisthenics community has no idea (and refuses to learn) what aspects of fitness are. Their cult-like behavior I think partially motivates athletic organizations to completely ignore the topic of calisthenics, along with weight training being objectively superior. They constantly prescribe random "pylometric" exercises without any idea what their purpose are. They're not training rate of acceleration primarily, they train reactive ability, which is the neuromuscular efficiency at "reversing" inertia. Similarly, practically no calisthenics athletes understand strength-endurance when they keep demanding people to turn a low rep set into a 15+ set before hitting the next progression, causing stagnation. It's like how you can't just purely bench 135lb for a year and expect to bench 225lb from that, you have to progressively do harder things. The Calisthenics community keeps telling people to AVOID doing harder things.

What calisthenics accel at is strength-endurance, because that fundamentally is what that "sport" is about. It's all about "how many push-ups/pull-ups/squats can you do in X minutes?" Despite this, they never fucking program that into the routines they give out. Instead, they try to make it like a bodybuilding routine, even though bodybuilding is superior with weights because you CAN MANIPULATE LOAD. Then you get the morbidly obese weaklings who keep telling people to do rehab exercises like bodyweight glute raises, thinking that does anything.

>>77392399
At 210lbs I'm at 2 reps of support hold one-arm pull ups and straddle position front lever rows, though I struggle getting one-arm push-ups. I know enough about this retarded community to criticize it, like Steven Low saying anyone can get an iron cross in 4 months of training (from untrained). "Athletes" like yourself are just gamers doing push-ups during loading screen and think you're developing some mythological realm of fitness. You're crabs who mislead people from your ignorance.

>>77392368
"Fatties" (anyone heavier than their 130lb ass) can do pull ups too and this is exactly what I'm talking about. One of the older /plg/ regulars did 20 rep pull-ups with a beer gut. They think a 140lb midget doing 15 reps is stronger than a 200lb dude doing 12. It's a pure cope cult and it's okay to label it a cult because "calisthenics" is now a "system" with stuff like "street workouts." Anyone can add pull-ups into any training and it's great. Calisthenics is when you start focusing on "straight arm strength" (not a real thing, biomechanically) and valorize muscle ups over actual, purpose-oriented training.

The idiots in this thread actually believe weights make you fat. They think that holding a piece of metal and moving it starts skyrocketing your stored lipids. That pretty much explains that calisthenics is a system plagued by the low bar of entry, causing a bunch of jealous idiots to make shit up about it.

>>77392416
there is a lot of refined fitters but this is so stupidly myopic and one would expect of the introverted autistic (and not in the tasteful sense) and this is a great post to demonstrate why. There is a lot of good reasons to use weight but the idea that they are mandatory is based on a bunch of suppositions they never question or just posthoc rationalizations where if you don't lift enough weight, do what I tell you then you are a pussy or other gynoslave philosophies

>>77392428
You've made two posts now demonstrating zero knowledge about the topic. Go do your push-ups during your LoL matchmaking breaks, little bro. The only person wasting their time is you.

>>77392416
>No body post
>Bullshit brag
Yeah that's what I thought. Stfu tubby.

>>77392437
i've made (1) post and it's the one you're replying to, I don't do calisthenics, most just weights and walking+some sport actives.

>>77392399
>post body so i (an indian) can use it to larp later on
not today sanjeet

>>77392447
I'm not even pro calisthenics, i'm assuming by calisthenics you mean reddit nerd shit that doesn't go hard enough?

if I wanted to do calisthenics I would imitate gymnasts (which mogs all of you btw) and get a watered down, but decent thing going on or just copy the black guys in the park or something for a ripped body

my understanding is that the problem with real calisthenics is that its prob too hard to learn and takes too much time for avg person

I do calisthenics and have for a decade
One thing I will say is that they are easier, so you have to work harder to make them harder, if that makes sense.

Also, it can create horrible imbalances that will make you feel pain every day, I would know. Like a pull up is genuinely a hard difficult exercise, but honestly nothing else in the calistehnics is nearly as difficult without doing a lot of training to get there, (planche handstand etc) so you end up getting a lot of imbalances and fuck your shit up. It can be remedied but like I said if you don't understand these things you can fuck your shit up in ways that you would never have to worry about with free weights. I would rather lift weights 99% of the time but I have young kids and can't take them to the weight room and going to the gym after bed time sounds awful and like something I'd quit doing eventualy. Better to do 20 push ups everyday for 10 years than go to the gym for 2 hours for 10 months and quit.

>>77392438
post yours

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>>77392427
>did 20 rep pull-ups with a beer gut
Sure thing, bud.

>>77392186
Gym fucking sucks now that every single normies is going there
Most people get filtered really hard by calisthenics because they can barely do pull-ups

Calisthenics dogmatist dyels don't post body for a reason. You have an infinite supply of pictures of weightlifters, but the "ultra-super tactical warrior strength" calisthenics people online can't back it up when they're calling literally everyone over 130lbs a fatty. Calisthenics is truly one of the most belligerent, idiotic communities in fitness. Martial artists are better than these guys.

>>77392206
>never doing btb pullups of using only your upper body because you can't use as much weight
>well you had 5 I had 20
>no I'm not benching right now it's an outdated relic of lifting past that basically does nothing for developing real world strength

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>>77392255
>that pic
>Think about that for a minute. They try, they fail. They try again the next day, they fail again. They get discouraged, blame their genetics and wallow in their misery
sniff...reminds me of clod...

>>77392427
wew lad

>>77392286
>I am not amused by your menacing parlor tricks

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The human body was made for calisthenics, not for lifting weights in unnatural poses and shooting PEDs because you want to get big.

This is why calisthenics guys live to be 100 and gymbros are barely able to breathe.

>>77392348
You're a dumb faggot
I got to 17 good chins, handstand pushups, clapping pushups, etc. There wasn't that much more room I could go, and I was skeletal dyel

>>77392367
Jealous of what? You look like dogshit

>>77392374
Do you do 1/2/3/4?

>>77392706
yes, the human body was made for doing handstand pushups and human flags, not lifting, carrying, or throwing things

>>77392706
Bait but I used to think back in the days that calisthenics are what you need but why train like you are in prison if you are not in prison. You give up all movements where you move weight other than yourself so not just barbell movements but any movement with excess weight.

>>77392399
You will never post body.
Any lifter who hits 1/2/3/4 will look way better than you ever will in your entire life

>>77392503
This. Every buff looking calisthenics guy is either 5'1, on roids, or secretly lifts.

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>>77392722
You're not carrying or throwing things in the gym, and you'd not lift things that you'd normally lift in a way you'd normally lift it.

Meanwhile, pretty much every calisthenics exercise is similar is something you evolved to do. Pull-ups? That's climbing. Push-ups? That's getting up from the ground. And it's all with the same natural strain on the body, and so it has a negligible risk of injury.

>>77392724
Yeah, why the fuck would you strap a weight to chest when doing pull-ups? You only risk tearing your tendons and injuring yourself for life.

>>77392756
>You're not carrying or throwing things in the gym
speak for yourself. i do pull ups and diatance running as well, i don't believe in this absurd false dichotomy of peds-and-powerlifting vs. purely-unweighted-calisthenics

>>77392756
How are pushups closer to something you would do in life than bench? Bench is much closer to any movement you would do.
This is just a really incredibly stupid line of argument.

>>77392186

A lot of people develop a very weird loyalty to the first thing they get into; first band, first football team, first video game franchise, etc. The same dynamic is at play in the fitness world.

>>77392186
Mainly because of the lying. It was a pitfall for many people on /fit/ who never got what they wanted from it despite doing progression systems and even weighted movements. It just becomes a huge time sink for gains that stop occuring well before lifting. Then you go lift for a couple years and look back and realize every single one of these fucks was either frauding or lifting weights as well and it makes you angrier than it should that this is what's being pushed as better because it's "free". Once you've been in fitness a while you can spot a grifter pretty easy but this is probably the biggest obstacle to newbies, having unrealistic expectations of this form of training because of the myriad of presenters misrepresenting it.

>>77392325
>"Calisthenics" are very ineffective at building muscle past a certain, very low, point.
2026 and you still have retards saying shit like this despite the massive amount of empirical evidence right in front of them.

This board is filled to the brim with normoids. If you do not have the exact same "fitness" goal as the hivemind, you are the enemy. /fit/ is /r9k/-lite and as such is full of failed normies. They are spiritually normoids but are socially awkward. That is why everyone on here tries to dominate each other. This is a "fitness" board but there is no stretching general, no discussion on connective tissue strength, fascia, then you have retards who think doing calisthenics is worthless because it doesn't help you achieve their goal in their head, and the world famous "cardio kills gains". Yes, we get it, you were bullied by the normoids and you still want to be a normoid. This board is just an outlet for your authoritarian streak you can't live out IRL.

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I've noticed that calisthenics guys are always extremely ripped while the gymrat is a formless blob
People going to the gym for years but look completely unathletic.
Meanwhile calisthenics guys look insane (naked). Only downside is they aren't big in clothes , but "big" is mostly bloat cope anyways. Having even excess 5kg is a hinderence for them.

>>77392875
>2026 and you still have retards saying shit like this despite the massive amount of empirical evidence right in front of them.
You're right I should believe internet retards over my own experience
I did 17 chinups and built hardly any muscle. How much more would I have built if I did 25?

>>77392926
You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about but feel free to keep completely wasting your time
Actually I am sure you don't exercise at all, you are just one of the retards who just like to troll this place and give bad advice

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The gym bro physique is disgusting, it's like that of a caricature of a man.

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>>77392325
>"Calisthenics" are very ineffective at building muscle past a certain, very low, point.
If you think you need more muscles than this then you're sick in the head.

>>77393014
You did not, and will not build that physique with calisthenics
If you wanted that physique, lifting would be the fastest way to it

Look at any thread on /fit/
It is mostly mentally ill people having emotional outbursts to counter other emotional outbursts
The tiny remaining fraction of posts are anons who act like they've done research when they don't know anything and also look like shit

Whether /fit/ 'approves' of something or not doesn't even matter anymore. /fit/ is now mostly off-topic.

In fact, if you work out at all, you are above 90% of /fit/ at this point.

>>77392497
>normies at the gym
yes, but have you considered the following: mogging normies with weighted pull-ups and cardio bunnies

>>77392706
I would guess bunk juice in this guy's case. Having arms as big as your face is easy natty especially with good genetics and a rudimentary knowledge of diet and hypertrophy mechanics.

>>77392186
Fitness-industrial complex wants you to spend your money on gym memberships.

>>77392724
>why train like you are in prison if you are not in prison
Everyone's afraid of convicts, nobody's afraid of powerlifters.

>>77392776
>Bench is much closer to any movement you would do.
When was the last time you laid on your back on a bench and pushed something straight upwards with retracted shoulders, with your feet on the ground and and extreme back bridge position?

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>>77393128
The only way to reliably get (You)s is by being overly emotional and post broad simplifications that others can correct.

If you're calm, collected, and accurate no one will give a shit.

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>>77393102
>You did not, and will not build that physique with calisthenics
Even little girls get a manly physique with this kind of training. Now imagine what happens when a grown man does it.

>>77393142
On top of that, a lot of the 'clickbait' and 'ragebait' and 'coombait' isn't even from actual /fit/izens.

Almost all of the threads with coombait OPs are actually advertising an OnlyFans. Coomer anons fall for it over and over. EVERY SINGLE TIME someone says "ONLYFANS LINK IM GONNA COOM???" and then someone 'conveniently' drops some OF link.
I report every one I see for advertisement and most of them stay up for over a week. In fact, I might even get shortly banned for this very post for talking about reporting.

Nobody cleans up this fucking board anymore. And don't even get me started on the state of /b/.

>>77393147
Why do you have to imagine? Because you haven't actually done it? Your entire knowledge comes from internet pictures of other people who you know nothing about?

>>77393141
I push things in a bench like position constantly
It's the same basic position as a pushup
The only difference is this way I have actual strength
And also this truly doesn't matter, at all. There is no worth to this line of thought. It's pointless. It has no relevance. It has nothing to do with how bodies or strength work.

>>77393137
It's beyond incredible how stupid some of you people are. It literally makes my head hurt sometimes, and my will to live plummet.

>powerlifters could be here, he thought
>with a pull up bar you could go anywhere, he said out loud
here's a challenge for the calidyels itt, try discuss your shitty sport without seething about powerlifting unprompted

>>77392186
Calisthenics is incredibly hard to make consistent progress with, because the difference in strength requirements between each movement are too great. As a result, it's only really good for maintenance.
I do barbell and machine stuff at the gym because I have access to it, but I do calisthenics at home because it doesn't take much space or equipment.

Some "calisthenics" exercises genuinely are just better, if it still counts as calisthenics with added weight. I solely do weighted pull-ups instead of lat pulldowns, and I've recently replaced bench press with weighted dips.

>>77392186
All fatties share the same crab mentality, and this place is full of them.
If you don't have abs you're fat. Simple as.

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>>77392556
lol

>>77392392
>what are weighted calisthenics
boom roasted next

>>77392186
>It's not X that sucks, it's the fanbase that's retarded

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>>77392392
>community, community, community
>even more "community" faggotry
no one needs to be part of the this "community" to do calisthenics

>>77392720
Pretty much everyone who has been lifting for a few years can do 1/2/3/4. People who actually train properly can do it within a year

>>77393277
>because the difference in strength requirements between each movement are too great.
I don't know if this is even true. I didn't find the difference in strength between various variations to even be hard enough. I'd get to where I could do 20 of one thing, then move on to a harder version, then do 20 of that, etc.
None of it built any muscle.

>>77393288
You don't have abs though, and are actually fat, not pretend fat, but real world fat. Your physique is grotesque.

>>77393795
Nope. Been to a gym lately? Full of guys who can't.

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>no gym, no gear
Calisthenics is King

>>77392926
Thats solely because fat people cannot perform the movements; totally different thing than saying calisthentics makes you lean.

>>77393887
>no gear
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha
>>77393852
This is true, gym culture died off hard in 2018 and covid made sure it took this long to come back to the level we are currently at. All I see is at my gym are fat ass Latinas doing squats, a bunch of fatties and twinks, and one guy horsecocking 405 on the bench.

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>>77392756
>never do a single weighted pullups
"guaranteed to burst your tendons and muscles" LMAO

>>77392191
You're a retard if you don't do both, calisthenics and gymnastics are essential to remain dynamic and mobile, it doesn't matter if you can pull 4pl8 when you can't jog for more than 15 seconds without stumbling like mike israel or jump down from somewhere higher than the thickness of a pl8 because your knees will explode.
But imagine being strong like a gorilla, fast like a cheetah, punching like lightning, you shouldn't limit yourself to doing just one thing.

>>77392186
Cba reading these shitposters, but here in eastern eu it's goated.
If you're looking to build a twink body, upper body its really nice and it forces you to keep lean to progress, especially pullups build greek god backs, you can get nice abs, and decent pecs + arms.
Lower body is a joke anyway.
Proportions matter a lot in calisthenics and manlets have huge advantage in progressing

>>77394130
>it doesn't matter if you can pull 4pl8 when you can't jog for more than 15 seconds without stumbling
This person does not exist unless he weighs 350+ lbs
Barbell training provides cardio benefits, coordination, mobility, etc
Such a bizarre strawman you people come up with

>>77392191
I do weight training almost exclusively and I do pullups on back days. So you're wrong.

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>>77394175
>Barbell training provides cardio benefits, coordination, mobility
But it won't make you jump a 6m gap

>>77394178
meant to quote
>>77392206

>>77392191
>most guys here are elite lifters
LMFAO
Most guys here don't lift at all. Of the ones who do, the majority of those are fat powershitters who will seethe at flagchads like in the OP pic on sight. Kind of like you're doing now.

>>77394175
>Barbell training provides cardio benefits, coordination, mobility, etc
So tired of this bullshit. It's always some fatty coping like barbell lifting is in anyway comparable for all that. It BARELY does fuck all, to the point where it's not even worth mentioning. Like the amount of fat fucks I've heard claim that barbell lifts will sufficiently work abs. Shut the fuck up.

>>77392186
Because this is a board for posting dysgenic advice instead of actually helping out your bros
And its that way because myself and like 3 other anons are the only ones that actually exercise; everyone else is terminally online and obese

>>77392891
This.

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>>77392186
>Get on the floor, do push-ups
>Put on the running shoes, go out for a run
>Find a tree with a conveniently located branch, do pull-ups
Gymcels can't even begin to fathom the freedom of being able to exercise anywhere and anywhen.

>>77392891
Stretching is a meme. Just warm up and that's all you need.

>>77392926
Literally noob gains with a cut

>>77394179
Bro why would I need to jump over your mom's vagina?

>>77394223
Kek

>>77393846
It is. Regardless of quality and quantity, regular pull-ups do not translate to muscle-ups and regular push-ups do not translate to handstand push-ups.

>None of it built any muscle.
Stop lying.

>>77394175
>Barbell training provides cardio benefits, coordination, mobility, etc
In the same way that cardio provides strength and hypertrophy gains

>>77392186
calisthenics made me gay

>>77394234
>It is. Regardless of quality and quantity, regular pull-ups do not translate to muscle-ups and regular push-ups do not translate to handstand push-ups.
It's a prerequisite, but it's a more advanced stage. So if you can do a muscle-up then you can do a pull-up, and if you can do a handstand push-up you can do a regular push up.

But you need to build towards it. Regular push-ups do not help with the muscle balance required for handstand push-ups.

>>77394252
Who cares all of that shit is so fucking gay I can't even describe it just do bench press instead of loading your body in various wacky positions it's so fucking stupid dude I can't even fathom it

People don't like learning things and most of the skills require a few months to learn plus a decent base of cardio, mobility, coordination, and strength or you won't be able to do them very well. People don't want to practice or follow any sort of progression. If your BMI is over 27, you have to start modifying the advice because you will likely have to work on one of the four above or you will get stuck. There's a couple of youtube channels of people interviewing guys in the park doing calisthenics and they all look pretty decent for not really lifting weights and fucking around in the park. The whole channel will have guys that are within spitting distance of your favorite nattyish smallish influencers basically just fucking around. If you start watching gymnastics and competitive calisthenics guys they are always pretty lean and usually a few guys that are oddly jacked for not lifting weights. Then you realize there no studies on a lot of this shit. Most of the researchers don't go the to gym or lift at all. There's like one gymnastics journal. All the casual ring gymnastics/calisthenics have jacked guys if they can do anything more than a front/back lever and a muscle up. You pretty much have to be jacked or extremely lean or you straight up can't do the skills.

>>77392186
It's not.

>>77394276
I can guarantee those fags are not "fucking around in the park" they are doing retarded shit like sets of 30 to look like a natty noob gains dyel after years and years of calisthenic dog shit rofl

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>>77394275
Women prefer a more balanced and youthful physiques that you get from body training than the bloated one you get from lifting weighs. Plus it's more healthy.

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>>77394223
because you're manlytears and that's the only way you'll ever see the inside of a vagina

>>77394291
I've never gotten a "bloated" physique from weight lifting, maybe ped users or fatties do. But I care more about health and strength than aesthetics, I'm in it for my kids.

Also, isn't this a tacit admission that lifting weights builds more muscle? Also throwing in a claim it's more healthy as an afterthought after focusing on the motivation of looks and appealing to vain women is pretty funny

People do not use their brain. Unless they see someone who looks exactly like they want to like doing an exercise, they will not attempt to learn or do the exercise or skill. It has to be the exact race, skin tone, lat/long, height, weight, training background to they won't lift a finger.

>>77394315
>Also, isn't this a tacit admission that lifting weights builds more muscle?
Not really. It builds certain muscles more, hence why you're losing that naturally balanced look.

>Also throwing in a claim it's more healthy as an afterthought after focusing on the motivation of looks and appealing to vain women is pretty funny
Both are important...and interconnected. Health is attractive.

Even if you are with the love of your life and with wonderful kids you want to be attractive for them. Take the extreme case: Kids are literally ashamed of fat dads, and women are ashamed of fat husbands. It's unnecessary trauma.

>>77394373
>Kids are literally ashamed of fat dads, and women are ashamed of fat husbands
Already said I wasn't fat though. That would be contrary to my statement of health being a goal, which is also why I do cardio despite it not helping aesthetics. Is me lifting, carrying, and tossing my growing children going to ruin my physique because it's not body training? It's literally lifting weights in progressive overload, guess that makes me a bad father and husband.

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>>77392186
Gymbro: Yeah I can lift 200 lbs, trust me.

Calibro: (Jumps onto his hands and does a handstand pushup)

>>77394425
I know how useful lifting 200 lbs can be. What is the use case of the handstand pushup (of much less than 200 lbs, it looks)?

>>77394218
>stretching is a meme
You have to be 18 to post here
I remember not needing to stretch when I was a child, too

>>77394425
lol literally >>77392556

>>77394421
>Already said I wasn't fat though.
Too late, I've already imagined you as fat and I have no reason to change my mind.

>>77394425
Why are calisthenicbros so ripped?

>>77394485
That's fine. Working backwards from a conclusion based on what you want to believe instead of reality tracks with the rest of your argument.

>>77394491
That's how the game goes. It's not like you're gonna post your body anyway.

>>77392186
Bodyweight exercises for all intends and purposes are useless, niggas claim that is functional strength but there isn't a single functional activity where you aren't manipulating external resistance so training with resistance matters more.

How many fat guys have seen holding front levers longer than 3 seconds? Front levers on rings? What about fat jacked guys doing planches? You see it at ifbb shows once in a blue moon, but it is possible. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELvqx7Rglvw Planche is a pressing exercise, so with all the guys who like to bench, you would think more people would train it for fun. Bodybuilders arguably are not strength athletes by the way. At least according to science.

>>77394501
>Bodyweight exercises for all intends and purposes are useless
You meant intents? Anyway...you do it for health and physique. Nobody worth a shit will ever give a shit about how much you can bench.

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Cuz calisthenics has very esoteric progress.

And the impressive exercises are very hard to path to, compared to just progressing straight to 4 plates in a very linear fashion.

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>>77392186
Fatties hate it because for them it's basically hard mode. Gyms are a lot easier for fatties.

>>77394501
>gravity is somehow not resistance

>>77394494
True. And you either, of course. This is as it goes on /fit/

Most of the competitive calisthenics you see online are bar planche and bar front lever variations with some pullovers to go from a front lever to planche. Skills in gymnastics are all rated by points from A-J (a is the easiest), you can look for mens gymnastics code of points and most of the shit you see online is either not rated at all, or only from A-C. All beginner to intermediate shit. Floor planche in gymnastics is rated C. Straddle floor planche is an A. Manna is a C. Front and back levers (on rings) are A level skills. A muscle up is no points. Dips (0-points), floor handstand (a-level), handstand push-up (0 points), pull-ups/chin-ups (0-points), front lever, back lever, and planche is the majority of calisthenics content online. Search men's gymnastics code of points. They are a little anal about what static strength skills count for points, but the ones that do count that people who do calisthenics also do are not rated very high.

>>77394548
Pretty sure 99% of American'ts can't do a single handstand push-up so I'm not sure why it would be considered beginner-level.

>>77392186
I find hard to make a good program and gauge your progress, with weights it's easier, you add weight you're progressing. Also some movements require a lot of mobility and if you don't have it you have train that too.

>>77394563
When you can do one hand push ups you're further along than if you only can do two hand push ups. Also, if you can do 60 push-ups you're further along than if you only can do 40.

You're welcome.

This is the dumbest thread in a long time. No one gives a shit about any of this.

NO
ONE
CARES

It gets worse, whenever I started looking for videos on how to do some basic skills I very quickly ran into instructional and seminar videos for 4-12 year old male gymnasts. Because thats where I am skill wise. All this shit people don't want to do, will barely get you into a kids gymnastics class. Not the "genetic phenoms", just regular basic ass kids whose mom dropped them off. So I have to switch between videos of 7 year old boys doing demonstrations to videos of 25-50 year old guys making dozens of the same videos about how the same skill is really hard and takes forever to do. Then I go watch multiple 7 year old kids do it. Then I flip back to the other video. You start to wonder whats going on and lose your mind. I know rotating, mobility, and balancing based skills are way easier when you are younger and smaller, but I'm mostly talking about the strength skills. In the background of the videos there's always some jacked kid practicing a skill. Oddly lean and jacked for not lifting weights. Every race and skin tone too. Then I start watching the interviews with random guys with bum jobs fucking around in the park videos and most of them are oddly jacked too. All races, all skin tones. Like 400-500 interviewers with regular people, not influencers. Lots of reps, pretty clean diets. Not all of them are going to be on roids. But all of them look pretty good. Streetlifting videos in Europe, same shit. South America, same shit. India, same shit. Everyone is lean, jacked, and having a good time. No one even cares about Starting Strength or bodybuilding anymore. My gym is dead.

>>77394566
"Further along" is obviously not the issue, adding/transitioning to a new movement along the progress chain is. And even in very minor variations like the one-handed vs two-handed example, how many two-handed push-ups before you are capable of doing it one-handed? How long does a fatass have to struggle to do a single two-handed pushup while building strength and losing weight? That entire time, they could be pressing increasingly heavier weight in small increments. Nothing is stopping them from attempting calisthenics movements regularly as they gain strength and lose weight, so it's only a matter of developing the skill at the particular movement. It's the difference between measurable incremental improvement and feeling like they're bashing their head against something they're never going to be able to do.

>>77394597
lol you gave it away at the end there

>>77394567
>NO
>ONE
>CARES
...
>140 posts
...okay?

>>77394209
Strange that you posted a body of someone else and not yourself. Why is that?

>>77394234
>It is. Regardless of quality and quantity, regular pull-ups do not translate to muscle-ups and regular push-ups do not translate to handstand push-ups.
I could do handstand pushups the first time I tried. It's just not that hard. None of it is.
>Stop lying.
Why would I lie? I was a skeleton

>>77394487
This is genuinely 100% of the reason the morons on here think calisthenics is good. Because there are lots of pictures of ripped guys who allegedly got that way doing calisthenics, who have really good physiques. That's it. That's why the stupids here think it's good. Dumb people actually are that easy to persuade.

>>77394511
Did you, in all your boring self importance, not consider that maybe this exact post had already been made a dozen times at LEAST in the thread so far?
More low intelligence low agency behavior from calisthenictards.

>>77394566
What a smug twat you are. I bet you look like garbage

>>77394685
>all that roidrageposting
>what a smug twat
Not any of those anons, but holy shit the ironing
Even if you aren't actually indo-whatever, your soul is subhuman in nature

>>77394487
Roids

>>77392191
One day, one day my 230lb 6'4" frame will successfully do one unassisted pull-up.
Upon that day I will grab those chains and keep on getting better.

>>77394819
Once you can do one unassisted pull up it is easy to do more. I got up to 5x10 in like 3 months and that isn't even considered impressive.

>>77394518
With bodyweight exercises you only ever move a percentage of your bodyweight, with weights regardless of how heavy it is you move the entire object weight.

>>77392190
truth nuke

>>77393223
What even causes these retarded outbursts in internet culture?
In a place where we don't know anyone's demographic we invent these abstract demographics just to shit on other people.

This is /fit/, we should all lift in some form and simply respect the hustle of others.

The fact that even on 4chan people invent some "us vs. them" culture is so fucking mind-boggling to me, I can't believe human brains like that can even exist.

I saw an anon on some /v/ thread about FGC shit start straight chimping out because someone said Kazuya is a good Tekken character, and he did the usual "making up a demographic" thing where he used retarded terms like "Kazuyacucks" and he was genuinely upset as if he was in a literal war of Jin vs. Kazuya mains.

I will never understand this shit. I don't even know why I'm typing this, this post is only going to get retarded responses.

Holy shit I didn't know how good we had it here on /fit/ in the days of Scooby and Tiny trip. The board was more about fitness and joking around. Now it's less about fitness and more about retards telling each other to kill themselves.

I need to get off 4chan.

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>>77394453
>What is the use case of the handstand pushup
To show that you can, that you have cultivated your body to do something no ordinary human can.

>>77395221
Embrace the Arnold mentality and just get your yucks sabotaging other people stupid enough to take bad advice. You should not help these people better themselves they will not pay it forward, they will act selfishly. It is a net benefit to the human race to enable their vanity destroy them.

>>77392206
/thread

>>77394509
Do people even follow start bodyweight anymore?
I still follow his routine, but it seems that everyone else move on to something else.

>>77395221
We can't even discuss anything because it always immediately turns into insults and shitfilnging. I don't know what makes the ""people"" here like this.

>>77395250
You're cancer

>>77395221
Based
It didn't used to be this way
Everyone left here is just so fucking bitter about EVERYTHING that you can ask
>why is the sky blue? Can someone explain Raleigh scattering to me?
Just to get an avalanche of responses about how going outside is for turbofaggots and the sky isn't really blue. Are we on the receiving end of a cluster of insane, hallucinating ai outputs? It wouldn't even surprise me anymore

>>77395250
Arnold making jokes with people he works and competes with every day is a lot different from you malevolently lying to people you've never met. If you cant see that, youre as big a piece of shit as you appear.

>>77395221
/v/ is my favorite 4chan board, not because videogames are my favorite hobby but because I care about videogames so little that all the usual 4chan trolling and fandom wars just rolls off me and fails to offend me, whereas if I go into /pol/ or /fit/ I get pissed off by ignorant retards in minutes.

>>77395492
Its always been a niche application.

>>77395882
Similarly, I can't decide if /fit/ is the dumbest board, or it's just the topic I know the most about so it seems that way.

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>>77392186
>cali program looks like a VN chart
>get chicken legs
>without very good mobility can't even do most of the exercises

Any bodybuilding split is so much easier to follow and perform.

>>77396261
>I'm a beginner to intermediate
Fuck this chart, I'm in the top 1%. It should be at least advanced.

>>77392348
If you can do 20+ reps per set you maxed out your Calisthenics. You need to add weights.

Doing more reps is actually super retarded and causes you to horseshoe into the same joint and injury issues that you accuse weightlifters of.

The best way is to lift and do calisthenics.

>>77396261
90% of these are fucking made up. Or have never been performed like a fucking Baki technique.

>>77392186
Every type of workout is frowned upon by people that don't practice it. Boils down to goals and preferences I guess

>>77395234
That actually sound much like the powershitter mindset. Maybe you're not so different after all.

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>>77395221
why indeed

>>77395221
Well the point is that we all don't take it seriously it's old internet culture where you realized the person talking to you was most likely a PDF freak so you didn't get offended or care the flame wars is one of the fun things about 4chan in particular since it's so toxic compared to other niche image boards but I encourage it as long as real discussion takes place in between

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Imagine taking fitness advice from someone who can't make 15 pull-ups.

>>77392427
Street workouts is fucking so funny hahahaha I love that shit like I love diamond gym it's so funny to watch, diamond gym gets my respect though they r roided up retards the tren twins ep was legendary

>>77392190
brutal trvke

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>>77396362
Post physique fatty
All of these exercises are real and attainable
Can you even point one out that you think isn't real

>>77396261
Why did they make this shit so complicated?
It's like showing a beginner that there are a shit ton of variants of doing a vertical push (barbell bench press, dumbbell bench press, machine press) and just let them decide which one to choose.

>>77392190
Fippy bippy