>haha I have no willpower I will just use wegovy>wtf why am I going blind???Hard work wins again, stay natural
>>77394343The sad part is that it's not even hard work
>>77394343Don't forget bone wasting too. There are no shortcuts lad. Everything has a price. Either the price is hard work or it's your bones and eyes in this case.
If you're old enough you'll realize that every "miracle" cure or supplement has the same cycle.>Released>About 5 years of media frenzy>It works amazing with no downsides!>turns out it didn't have no side effect, it just was too new to know what the side effects were>long term studies come out showing it has severe long term side effects>it quietly gets pushed aside as the new miracle substance is pushed on the market and, amazingly, this one has no side effects!
>>77394343Semeglitude is primarily given to type 2 diabetics. Guess what that can cause? Go ahead and Google the correlation between the subject in your pic and type two diabetes. Keep in mind semeglitude does not cure things or reverse damage. Nothing is a miracle cure. It can reverse some damage and prevent further damage.>>77394348That's related to malnutrition.>>77394357Wrong. >Insulin>Antibiotics>Aspirin>Etc etcPlenty of things that are common place today and widely used by millions were once new and experimental. Nothing is 100% safe either, so don't say "yeah but if you swallow a gorillian aspirins you'll die!" Like some disingenuous cuck.
>>77394347>>77394348why do 4chan shut-ins think going on a cut and losing 20lbs is a superhuman achievement that requires le epic willpower and disciple?>YOU DIDNT EARN IT AHHHH!what a bunch of tiresome queers screeching about the same old bullshit for years on end here
>>77394343What are the risks of the same thing while being a fat fuck?
>>77394343And to drive my point home per that screenshot, people on metformin had better outcomes. Guess what metformin is prescribed for? By the time you're on metformin and semeglitude, you're likely in bad shape and some damage has occured.
>>77394375First cut I did was with dnp and t3. The cravings I had were insane. I could manifest the taste of McDonald's on my tongue. Next time I added a glp1 agonist. Never again will I diet natty.
>>77394357did you even read the OP pic?Its like .04% risk.And guess what? every single thing you put in your body has some small risk off serious side effects
>>77394381>DNP>burning through over 1lbs of fat a day>surprised he's all hungry and fucked up
>>77394390>1lbs of fat a dayGod I wishDNP does so little it's not even worth the discomfort, let alone the risk of dying
>>77394347this>NOOO I HAVE TO SPEND 45 MINUTES LIFTING THREE TIMES A WEEK I'M GOING INSAAAANNEE
>>77394395so you managed to out eat DNP and you were still hungry?holy shit what a pig
>>77394347Real. Lifting is 10% changing weights/warmup, 10% actually lifting, and 80% just being on your phone until the timer goes off.
>>77394375It isn't. The fact that hambeasts consider too much work to do makes them pathetic. You do need to earn it, because it's such a bare minimum effort achievement that if you can't do it, you won't be able to do anything further.
>>77394347>>77394396>>77394404I know you guys are like 17 and think you're badasses because you've been lifting at planet fitness for 3 months, but I promise you no one is impressed or thinks you're super human.
>>77394408You need to learn about metabolic health and systemic inflammation. It's not just "lift weights!". If that was the case, every single construction worker or third world laborer would be ripped with a six pack. Gitgud.
>>77394375>reading comprehensionThe point of this thread is that it's easy. There are fags out there who literally take diabetes medicine just because they find cutting too hard.
>>77394412Are you retarded?
>>77394412Okay then you give it a try lmao
>>77394372>>InsulinCauses your body to develop insensitivity and the only solution is to up the dose>>AntibioticsNukes your healthy gut bacteria and creates antibiotic-resistant strains of illnesses>>AspirinBlood thinnerAll of these have side effects.
>>77394428I have and I do. For years.
>>77394440You're only 17 though
>>77394436>All of these have side effectsNo fucking shit I literally mentioned this? But the risk or side effects are low enough. So the idea that every craze dies out because of severe long term consequences is outright ridiculous.
>>77394415Nobody said it was, but it is as easy as "move more eat well sleep well." Fatass hambeasts like to cope that "move more" and "eat well" require a master's degree in human physiology and cellular biology. Get filtered, fatass.
>>77394442I wish. But only if I can keep all of my memories.
>>77394445Lmao cope
>>77394343been debunked literally years ago. the blindness is linked to diabetes not the drug.
>>77394445I don't think you understand how absolutely brutal the metabolic war has been on Americans over the last 40 years. There's a reason a fat American can move to Italy and eat more and lose weight effortlessly whereas Americans have to track every single macro, every single calories, constantly push themselves with hard exercise to fight obesity. It's why people cannot beat it without massive amounts of mental and emotional energy that's not sustainable.I'm not talking about people 20 lbs over weight. I'm talking about true obesity. They are victims of a system that sees their health as an asset to drive up profits.
>>77394459>literally says that in the conclusion
>>77394463>>77394459>>77394376>>77394378Timmy, can you stop samefagging already?It says compared to SGLT2 inhibitors and metformin, so it literally makes it worse compared to patients not receiving the drugYou're so retarded yet so confident, you must be american
>>77394469Right. We're the retarded ones.
>>77394471Not my fault you can't readEnlighten us on vaccines and statins while you're at it, show us how smart you are
>>77394451You're the one coping dumbass
>>77394477>Changes goal postLol
>>77394372After a 2 minute convo with an online doctor for symptoms of urinary tract infection (which I did not have) I got prescribed an antibiotic so dangerous that it makes your tendons explode up to 6 months later if you try to do any exercise.
>>77394408Nobody ever became a better, stronger person because they were hungry for a few months on a diet.You Nietzsche fags are insufferable.
>>77394461Other non american countries have similar levels of obesity thoughbeit
>>77394515>Nobody ever became a better, stronger person because they were hungry for a few months on a diet.Except for me, who lost weight and went on to lift weights and get stronger because I wasn't a fatass. I don't even like Nietzshe, everyone who follows his school of thought is retarded (Jung, Sartre, Foucault). Sounds like you're just mad you're fat and can't do anything about it.
>>77394396>>NOOO I HAVE TO SPEND 45 MINUTES LIFTING THREE TIMES A WEEK I'M GOING INSAAAANNEEYou don't have to lift at all not to get fat, just avoid ultra-processed slop and take a walk every now and then.
>>77394343Option A) eat natural foods, don't overeat, exercise, don't compromise on sleep.Option B) for the rest of your life you need to inject this overpriced synthetic hormone straight into your bloodstream to starve yourself.Americans do absolutely anything to play life on easy mode, don't they?
>>77394499Spontaneous tendon rupture on cipro/levaquin is no joke. I hate how doctors prescribe fluoroquinolones like candy when they could easily go with something much milder in most instances.
>>77394343>retrospective study in diabetics>no untreated group for comparisonInto the trash the study goes.GLP1 work, are safe and will make everyone thin. The US obesity rate has already declined 5% over just a few years. Naturally skinnycels have LOST. OP has LOST.
Honest question: how do you justify nearly half or more of the population being obese to just life style choices? Even.with life style choices, after losing weight almost all of them gain it back. I am starting to think there's more than just "walk more".
>>77394616I consider the average person as being somewhat flimsy of will and somewhat susceptible to marketing and propaganda. Not everyone will be equally weak in these, and so there will be variance. I consider this average, and then I consider that half of the planet will be worse at it than "mediocre to subpar." Most people are more stupid, fat, and lacking will or spirit than you think.
could I take glp-1s to get cut? that last 20lbs is so hard to lose lol
>>77394635>that last 20lbsyou have body dysmorphia
>>77394635Why do you need a drug to eat less?
>>77394343>disease that effects people who are diabeticYou're so fucking retarded holy shit.I can literally play the same game>cures alcohol addiction>lowers depression>lowers risk of cancerHOLY SHIT MIRACLE DRUG!Fucking retard.
>>77394651I'm 5'10 195lbs lol. 175 isn't a bad weight for me
>>77394347fpbpi don't understand normies, eating protein and exercising is an unfathomable monumental task for them but going out with the sole purpose of interacting with others and eat/drink garbage is what they do to relax? Lol
>>77394652I used to be a fat mfer and I'm hungry all the time
>>77394688175 at 5'10 is borderline skeletal
>>77394703I don't think so but ok.... It's borderline obese lol
>>77394703>>77394714google ai says that it's considered overweight from 174-208lbs and then it's considered obese (at 5'10 for an adult male)
>>77394721BMI scales work horrendously for anyone with serious muscle mass (like the anon being discussed). I'd be surprised if there's 20lbs of fat left to lose total. That's "cut 5lbs and don't drink water for a shredded" physique not "I need to lose 20lbs to start getting in shape" physique. Also>google aiTry not being a brainlet next time
>>77394444None of these are "new craze" drugs either. They have been out for decades and we know the side effects.
>>77394798The fucking point was that when they were new they were treated the same as ozempic and weren't just forgotten for the cool new trend, as was implied. God fit is being extra fuckinf stupid today.
>>77394523Mostly just mexicoObesity rate is the only thing that country has to rival and beat the usa
>>77394800And the fucking point is that you can't tell what the side effects of a drug are until a decade or more later. There are hundreds of drugs that caused horrible complications. Look up thalidomide for example. It was prescribed to pregnant women.
>>77394815Yes? Of course? Wtf are you talking about... I never said it had zero long term side effects or wouldn't. What I countered was the assertion that every "miracle" drug just gets passed up as people move into the new fad. Lrn2read.
>>77394727what ai model are you using to get that info from?
>>77394477Fuck off Shitjeet
>>77394372Don't worry about it. You're trying to argue with somali iq "people".
>>77394673Yo retard, I know you're scientifically illiterate, but at least learn to read a sentence
Congratulations niggers, you made me madYou're american and you're retarded, it's okay, I will spell it out in simple termsThe study examined patients who initiated GLP 1 agonists compared to SGLT2 inhibitors. Both are diabetes drugs, both groups had diabetes. Do you get it until now?Imagine 100 people with diabetes, 50 got on GLP, 50 got on the other drug. Simple, right, nigger brain?The niggas that got on GLPs got more optic neuropathy than those on the other drug. Repeat after me nigglets.The niggas that got on GLPs eyes got booboo more than those on the other drug. Simple, right?Then you have the nerve to say shit like:>"Well AKSHUALLY correlation does not necessarily imply causation, listen to me I use reddit!"
>>77394343>however, absolute risks were smallObesity kills more people than all other causes of death combined. It's worth the trivially small risk.
>>77394635no drugs will fix your egg-shaped head
>>77394343This is only a risk for morbidly obese people with diabetes.I am running tirzeppy and it is a gift from god
>>77394839Let's go over this from the beginning:I said, every miracle drug is marketed as being side effect free but turns out to have long term side effects when long term data is released. You gave example of older drugs still used today. I pointed out some obvious side effects. You said, yes they have side effects but they're still used. Okay. Were all the side effects known when they were released? No. That's why you don't take a brand new drug on the market especially during a marketing hype phase. How do you tell which is the new aspirin and which is the new thalidomide? And even if it is the new aspirin, it may still have unlisted side effects which interact poorly with some pre-existing medical condition you have. My point isn't that the drugs were taken off the market entirely, it was that the side effects were unknown until years later. Whatever the fuck are you going on about? Find a drug to cure your autism.
>>77394444>No fucking shit I literally mentioned this? But the risk or side effects are low enough. So the idea that every craze dies out because of severe long term consequences is outright ridiculous.Names antibiotics of all things as an example. Are you retarded? You must be American
>>77394444Nice quads
>>77394343I hate the fact that all these fat fucks got WeGovy right off the bat and it took my wife nearly a year to get it, and she has a heart condition which WeGovy was actually made for. So because a bunch of lazy fatshits cant put down their KFC my wife was at risk of further complications. I fucking hate obeasts and biggers SO MUCH anons.
>>77395759Maybe you shouldnt have married a mutated genetic failure
>>77394372You know type 2 diabetes is entirely curable with diet and exercise, right? Plus, pretty much all treatments for it actually make it worse over time.
>>77395642That might have been your point but that's not how you communicated it. Intent does not mean you're automatically and efficiently communicating it. Also, it's not new. It's 20 years old.Tl;dr gitgud.>>77395758Ty>>77395778Not black and white like that. I'm not going to explain why because your assertion already reveals your lack of knowledge and inherit biases.
>>77394471Nta, but you could absolutely still be samefagging. The types of pathetic fags that make the argument you do? I could totally believe you're sitting in front of a computer with your phone, cope posting on both.
>>77394515>Developing your willpower isn't a thing >Willpower isn't a facet of the totality of a person's strengthFatty.
>>77394343Anyone who has ever fasted in their life will know that hunger is not an isolated feeling, but part of many other feelings and mechanisms in the body.Putting a drug inside your body to specifically kill hunger is like suicide for the soul, never mind all the possible side effects like this.
>>77395787It actually isnt really a thing. Your level of self control relative to your peers will never increase.
>>77394600Except you're all still a bunch of lazy slobs and everyone sees how fake you are. Like that dipshit that tried to make a glp1 general and put fraud right in the title. You all out yourselves.
>>77395781>Not black and white like thatIt quite literally is. And you just deflected with some faggy bullshit cause you know I'm right. T2 diabetics should NEVER be subscribed anything for their condition besides diet and exercise. Period. But please try to prove me wrong with some dumbass cope.
>>77395790See>>77395787Yes, it is a thing, everyone who has ever successfully lost weight and kept it off with diet and exercise is proof.
>>77394343Average people don't have willpower. That's why they remain Average.
>>77394540Right, I was talking in a general fitness sense
>>77395805I didn't deflect. How about you show me a paper saying with 100% certainty all type 2 instances can be reverse. >He doesn't know about geneticsRight, it's all will power :)
>>77395781>inherit biases.inherent* inherit is a verb, meaning to pass down in succession from a predecessor.
>>77395885Thank you, I had a retard moment.
>>77394625We are all entrenched in propaganda no one is immune period. Half of your opinions will be insane propaganda especially the incel takes which are obviously purposely spread, bullshit like hypergamy, Jewish conspiracy, women are the special enjoyers of society, etc etc its all propaganda and capitalism. Whenever you think of something you must pass it through the filter of capitalism at all times every single thing is a product everything is commodified. Every single thing.
>>77395790It is a thing, for example I can work on music 8 hours a day go to the gym for an hour and a half drive home for an hour dj practice for an hour / more producing, while maintaining a good diet etc. you are just a weakling stuck in the symbolic world u fucking faggot
>>77395902While having a full time job mind u some people are just built differently, and I'm not even tired at all shit is just too easy. I'm like the sun it is just what I am
