Why are you guys so mad about weight loss drugs? If a drug came out that made gaining muscle easier without all the side effects of steroids, or if trt was way more accessible and less risky, you'd all hop on it in an instant. You'd still have to do the work. You'd still have to watch your diet and lift. It would just help give you the boost you need. Same with weight loss drugs. Only unhealthy lazy people go max dose to starve themselves. Most go on a modest dose to cut down cravings so they can actually stick to a diet and eat well. I lost 15 lbs in wegovy alone and the other 30 was working out and fixing up my diet. I track macros for the first time in my life. All wegovy does it help me cut down the noise in my head that makes me feel like eating all the time. Thats it.
I am against roids, but even then, I at least understand that on roids you accomplish something that can't be accomplished without them. It sets a higher ceiling for what you can attain. Many bodybuilders hit their natty limit but love the sport and want to keep progressing and go to roids.The shit you're injecting DOES NOT DO ANYTHING other than make you less of a retard. If you just ate a healthier diet or learnt to control your urges, then you wouldn't even need it and would have the same or better results.
>>77394633> without side effects I have some bad news anon. The steroids are probably safer than what you took.
>>77394633You are a weak minded bitch.Eventually, you will fail.
>>77394894You're in 4chan. Please don't speak down to anybody ever again. >>77394834But what about people who try, lose weight, and gain it all back? Doesn't that lend some credence to the argument that it's not just willpower but some biological driver that is preventing them from reaching their goals and putting their body in an obese preferred state?>>77394871Prove it.
Also, something that gets glossed over... These meds aren't new. They've been used on people for 20 years. It's only recently been used for weight loss. Before a few years ago, that was just a pleasant side effect for people who were at risk of losing their toes.
>>77394633>>77394921Fatass
>>77394935Weak. Do better.
>>77394921>But what about people who try, lose weight, and gain it all back? Doesn't that lend some credence to the argument that it's not just willpower but some biological driver that is preventing them from reaching their goals and putting their body in an obese preferred state?It's called being a weak-willed couch resident. Everything in life that makes you stronger is hard. Everything that makes you weaker is easy. Go sit on a chair your whole life. Now try to stand straight at the age of 40. What's that? You can't hold up your own head because your back is too weak? Your head hunches forward? Just walk around with a hunch and don't fix it. Whoops now there is even more weight on your spine. Go hunch more. Now you have chronic spinal pain. Go live the rest of your life in a wheelchair.This weak willed loser mentality will bleed into every aspect of your life. Fix the mentality, learn to appreciate the strength, and I don't just mean physical strength, but inner strength, that comes from pain and effort, and now you can endure anything and never again be a loser that diets for a month and gives up.
>>77395765>This weak willed loser mentality will bleed into every aspect of your life. Fix the mentality, learn to appreciate the strength, and I don't just mean physical strength, but inner strength, that comes from pain and effort, and now you can endure anything and never again be a loser that diets for a month and gives upThis argument is blown apart by the fact that many obese people are also extremely successful in every other part of life. Once again, it's not a will power issue. And once again, once people start these drugs they often are given just enough peace from food noise that they CAN work hard. There's a reason why semeglitude users are becoming the primary demographic of gym members. Almost seems like people WANTED to work hard and get fit and lose weight but something was making their efforts fail. Weird.
>>77395786This is cope. If you really had an ounce of willpower you could endure anything. But you don't. It's all fucking mental. You are the one who feels all these cravings and you are the one who decides how to act on it. You've conditioned yourself to treat excess as the baseline. If you are so successful and strong willed then put your money where your mouth is and master your own urges.
>>77394633They're mad they wasted their time dieting and cutting calories.
>>77395800The average person has no willpower. That's why they're average.
>>77394633>people for millions of years have stayed fit and healthy just fine>but I'm super special and I need help and I need a boost because I can't do it on my own It's a sign of a weak willed, weak spirited person.> All wegovy does it help me cut down the noise in my head that makes me feel like eating all the time. Thats it.You're so weak minded you can't even tell yourself "no?" And you're proud of that?
>>77395800https://www.ajmc.com/view/semaglutide-linked-to-improved-exercise-capacity-weight-loss-in-patients-with-hfpef-and-obesity?hl=en-US#:~:text=For%20those%20taking%20the%20GLP%2D1%20agonist%2C%20treatment,(95%25%20CI%2C%205.8%2D24.4%3B%20P%20%3D%20.%20002).Only one coping is you :)
>>77395801>implying anyone with a brain would take unneccessary medicine rather than just have a low calorie kimchi snack or something when they get hungry
>>77395808Anon... We do not live like we have for millions of years. It's weird that I have to point this out.
>>77394921Look retard, you failed at the bare minimum and needed a drug to get it done. That is not the same a people who busted their ass, hit the genetic ceiling, and then took something to continue getting gains for their efforts. And I don't even like roidtrannies but that's the truth. You're factually lower than anyone who lost weight on their own. We'll talk down to you pussies till the end of time.
>>77395808Also,.the funny thing about the willpower line...is I guarantee every single person saying this has>Blamed women for men loneliness epidemic>Blamed immigrants for jobs>Blamed women bosses for something Lol it's amazing how will power only applies to other people but when it's something effecting you, it's just someone else or something external causing the problem :)
>>77394921Morbidly obese fat fucks who are still half-assed trying on their own are better than you.
>>77395812You're the fatty that needs to be on meds just to live like a normal person. Why would I need to cope for your issues? What else are you on? Antidepressants? Go ahead and medicate yourself to the gills instead of changing your mentality.
>>77395819You can pretend to talk down to me, but that requires me to respect you or fear you enough. I literally cannot do that to someone who excuses steroids but not weight loss drugs lol >20 year olds in roids hit the generic ceilingLmao
>>77395819This
>>77395825And when they don't succeed? Do they instantly stop being "better"? Where does it end for you?>>77395826>Can't read or won't read and just does ad hominem attacks Lol
>>77395829Ok fat retard
>>77395836Nice argument. Good to know you got btfo. Stay mad that people succeed and you don't lol
>>77395832NTA but I do respect fat people trying to lose weight legitimately, or skinny dyels trying to bulk legitimately. What I don't respect is dumbasses who think they can just medicate away all their internal issues.
>>77395840K keep me posted on fat retard news
>>77395843What I don't understand is that if someone takes medication to get a push, them what's the harm? If someone takes a drug that helps them reduce pain and feel like they have a fighting chance,.and then put the work in, what's wrong with that? Literally nothing other than some weird anger at them.
>>77395845Why update a loser like you lol?
>>77395824Really says a lot that NO ONE has addressed this yet lol
>>773958461. They haven't actually accomplished anything, they just took a pill and treat it like an accomplishment.2. They have become dependent on medication. Another slave to big pharma. If their supply gets cut off they gain it all back because their mentality is still the same.3. New drugs have side effects that only become known years later and are suppressed during marketing hype cycles. I don't want my taxpayer dollars paying for your liver transplants when you could have easily fixed your own issues instead of been a burden on society.4. It isn't a fat body that is shameful, it is having a fat mind. You will always have a fat mind until you actually exercise a muscle called willpower.
>>77395848You think I'm a fat druggie like you?
>>773958541) taking a chance on a drug and moving forward on their journey literally sounds a lot like an accomplishment. There are people in this board right now who'd kill for leg surgery to gain 2 inches lmao2) I mean... That's what happens if you have a chronic condition holding you back. I'd hate to see what you do if you ever developed a chronic condition>I can't take this medicine to help keep my cancer in remission, I'm a big pharma slave!3) literally everything does, this isn't new, and your tax dollars are going to a failing economy right now that is actually predicted to increase due to healthy individuals working harder in all areas of life4) once again, will power exists. That's like saying you don't have will power because you didn't get jacked without s gym. Prisoners can do it, why not you? You "need" a squat rack? You could have made something yourself. You lack will power, sad!
>>77395857No but you're 100% a loser. I can tell. Only angry losers talk like you. Bet you work a shitty retail job too lol
>>77394633I like this cet
>>77395870Happy you enjoy it.
>>77395863He's right.You sound gay, fat and upset.
>>77395943Only one of those is true.
>>77394834>>77394894Post body. It better be the picture of perfection, 12% bodyfat.
Falling for trendy pharma products is hylic behavior.
>>77396271>Accuses others of being hylic in a fitness board that focuses on weight lifting and almost no other fitness pursuitISHYGDDT
>>77394834Being "against" PEDs is just a low IQ attitude. You are insecure.
>>77396272People have been coming back to this hellhole for nearly 20 years now because /fit/izens don't just discuss fitness practices, we discuss what it all means. Whether it's humorous greentexts about social mishaps or shitflinging arguments over the appropriate reasons why someone should even bother at all, /fit/ is overwhelmingly concerned with *where* the intellectual and spiritual relationship with your body that is a fitness practice can take you.
>>77396490>AI bot slop response. ISHYGDDT
>>77395824>>77395850I mean I personally didn'tI'm also not lonely, not unemployed, and don't have an adversarial relationship with my employerAny other hole-tier arguments?
>>77396558K.
Once a month I go to the gym and bring with me vanilla powder in a hollowed out bag of creatine. Then I just mix up three or four drinks and watch the roid monsters get visibly upset at me slurping "creatine" with my full head of hair. They're all bald.
>>77396630Based.
>>77394633I'm happy about it and don't give a fuck up the cyberpunk shit idgaf
>>77396546I'm one of the people the roboniggers steal from. You can't tell the difference.Filtered.
