Why do a lot of people hate it when other people become healthier?
you think taking a drug makes you healthy?
It's weird how virtually every other fault or flaw is can be attributed to nurture, nature, or some type of disorder but excessive consumption of food (wherein consumption of food is necessary for life) is treated as some personal failing and weakness of character.
>>77397890>>77397895When I lived with my parents I made the mistake of telling them I was upping my carb intake to compensate for my increased activity. Their response was to remove every carbohydrate source in the house, replacing it with "keto bread" and high fat desserts.The only way I avoided getting fat like them was because I had a personal interest in nutrition. Normal people have no chance when their parents decide to poison them. I really hate the culture unaccountability from parents, because humans have an extremely long adolescence period (18+ years) where they are totally submissive to their parent's authority. It's completely retarded to NOT blame the parents. I want to see the fit parents who cook healthy food, that somehow have obese children.
>>77397895Yes, we regularly excuse morons, assholes, bigots, thieves, murderers, rapists, etc. No one ever judges anyone for anything other than being fat.
>>77397893no, only if it helps you lose weight. which it can do for many people, and will save many lives from the dangers of obesity
>>77397911if it helps you lose weight but has terrible side effects like losing bone density then the cure is worse than the disease. lol retarded fat fuck
>>77397914>like losing bone densitythat's what can happen if you lose weight, regardless of whether you use drugs. athletes can have much lower bone density from exercising (losing minerals in sweat), are you opposed to exercise also?
>>77397890They stop feeling special for being normal weight when a drug comes along and proves weight has nothing to do with discipline.
>>77397893If it helped him lose weight? It demonstrably did. Obesity is so unhealthy and has been proven time and again to be a massive casual factor in preventable death and various other health complications anything that helps you escape it made you healthier.
>>77397918>shoehorning in exercise ya thats what you should be doing idiot. but you wont because you are a fat lazy slob. take your drugs bro, i heard meth helps you lose weight too ;)
>>77397902>I want to see the fit parents who cook healthy food, that somehow have obese childrenToo much screen time does that to children, I heard.
>>77397929the one bitter crab-in-the-bucket itt
>>77397950they hate me because i tell the truth. take your drugs, i dont give a fuck
>>77397890>retards are now going to spam AI slop with a narrative no one gives a shit aboutSkinny people dont give a shit or talk to fat people and the only person I know who took ozempy is still fat.Next thread.
>>77397890>Implying that's the outcome and not the typical skinny fat fucks that become zombies.I've met a few of you junkies. And trust me, that word fits really well. Most of you fucks just take the drug and don't bother with exercise. You didn't have the willpower for it before and lost of these drugs sap your drive even more. Y'all are only trading one persistent issue for an acute one later in life. You're all going to be ultra-frail old farts by 50 that won't be able to walk without assistance.
>>77397890Sour grapes and reminder of their mental weakness
>>77397890>portray the skinny guy as an anorexic drug user with poor hygiene>the fat guy magically gains 30lbs of muscle just from losing weight, also make him clean shaven and a great jawline, the total opposite of an ozempic zombieTerrible cope. It's actually hilarious how every fat guy massively overestimates his lean body mass when he's fat. You'll have 5'10 guys claim they are 30%bf at 300lbs or something, like they really believe their 12% goal weight would be 235. It's always fun telling them how inaccurate and worthless the navy method measurements are for anyone remotely outside of normal bodyfat ranges.Also not every fat guy will magically have a gigachad chin underneath all of the fat.
>>77397890The premise is totally stupid, if he has a slow metabolism or high appetite and becomes fat then he should adjust his diet to mitigate. Only reason he doesn't is he is mentally weak and greedy.I gained so slow my whole life, I could eat anything. Then in my mid 30s I started piling on weight, lost all definition, I looked bad and felt low-energy. So I dieted and did more cardio, lost 1kg per week for 2 months.
Are those drugs really without any side effects? I thought there's not a single drug that comes without some baggage and the more potent ones are usually the worst
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>>77397986>Are those drugs really without any side effects?They're kinda pricey, that's probably the only knock against them.
>>77397937I played a ton of video games as a kid until I got physically active late and still never got fat. It's still ultimately a dietary concern, though lack of play would be harmful psychologically and in terms of general fitness. You can be healthy weight but unfit.
>>77397994People say this while looking up what to do on IGN, fextralife, or gamefaqs
>>77397890Why is ozempic socially acceptable but roiding is not?
>>77397974>if he has a slow metabolism or high appetite and becomes fat then he should adjust his diet to mitigateWhy bother if a drug can fix it for him? Successful people work smarter, not harder, dummy.
>>77397890it's a faustian bargain
>>77398017because roasties like ozempic therefore it's good, same goes for abortion a.k.a. killing your unborn children
>>77398017because one makes you healthier. TRT is a socially acceptable form of roiding if you're in old age or have other issues with natural test
>>77397914>terrible side effects like losing bone densityThat's true for any caloric deficit, resistance training can help mitigate this, lots of people who take the drug don't add any resistance training to their routine, they just take the drug, so the effect is exacerbated in the numbers vs people who lose weight the traditional way (diet/exercise).The drug is not causing the bone loss, losing weight is, if you take the drug and add resistance training the supposed additional bone loss 'side effect' disappears entirely.
>>77398036one could even argue that the lost bone density isn't really needed as the bones only were as dense because you had to lug around extra 40kg of weightI wonder if people sperg out when they hear ozempic makes your heart shrink lol
>>77398036>if you take the drug and add resistance training the supposed additional bone loss 'side effect' disappears entirely.Not what I've heard or read. I've only read one study that demonstrated exercise reliably mitigated muscle wasting and bone loss.
>>77397890People love to shit in fat people. No matter how pathetic, sad, poor, or stupid someone might be, they always get to smugly laugh at fat people and look down on them. And now that there's a way for fat people to fight back, these losers are terrified. What do you do when you literally have NOTHING on someone? What do you do when not only are they richer than you, more successful than you, etc and you cannot bring them down at all?Making fat people healthy is going to fuck with a lot of people who lived their whole lives of mediocrity based on the idea that, "I may be X but at least I'm not fat!".
>>77397986They've been around for 20 years, so while they do carry some well known side effects, the idea that everyone who is taking these drugs will some how mysteriously self combust or explode or mutate or whatever is kind of silly.
>>77398053Please list the studies youce read, regardless of outcome.
>>77398201there's always a sexier fish
>why do people hate on ozempigs?It's not healthy and there will likely be side effects.It enables bad dietary habits.There are free alternatives (fasting) that work just as good without the risks.It's a sign of poor discipline, lack of long term thinking, etc.It doesn't solve the root cause of the constant hunger (micronutrient deficiencies) and covers it up while your health worsens.
>>77397910>lookie what we got here
>>77398017Neither are, which is why both hide their drug use.But at least ozempigs are getting rid of a life-threatening condition (morbid obesity) while roiders do it out of pure vanity or extreme insecurity.
>>77398035Still makes you a super slut man queer
>>77398241Roiders use peds because of people like me.
>>77397890This sounds made up and a place for attention seekers to make up stories.
>>77398215>https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8089287/> https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31897524/> https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39996356/> https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/40318682/> https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33528919/> https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41068996/> https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41571048/> https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38629387/> https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39719170/> https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41877354/> https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38737002/> https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38916894/> https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41270274/
>>77398264These papers focus on a vital theme in weight-loss medicine: preserving body composition (muscle and bone) during GLP-1 therapy. When you drop weight rapidly, your body naturally sheds a mix of fat, muscle, and bone. This research tracks that balance and maps out how to prevent unhealthy lean tissue loss.The Core Findings * The Muscle and Fat Shift: Massive trials (like SUSTAIN 8) show that medications like semaglutide heavily target body fat, especially dangerous visceral (abdominal) fat. While lean muscle is lost during rapid weight reduction (roughly 20-35% of total weight dropped), meta-analyses show this reduction is proportional to the total weight lost, rather than a direct toxic effect of the drug on muscle. * The Weight Rebound: Longitudinal studies like SURMOUNT-4 tracking tirzepatide prove these therapies are incredibly effective for sustained reduction, but they require ongoing treatment. When medication is withdrawn, a significant portion of the weight returns. * The Risk to Bone Health: Clinical trials tracking bone mineral density (BMD) noted that weight loss induced by GLP-1 drugs alone caused a distinct decrease in bone density at the hip and spine compared to weight loss achieved through exercise.The Game-Changing CountermeasureThe most impactful insight across this data is how combining the medication with structured exercise completely changes the outcome. When patients paired a GLP-1 with moderate-to-vigorous exercise, they maximized fat loss while successfully defending their muscle mass. Crucially, this combination completely halted bone loss—protecting density at the hip and spine.Overall ConclusionGLP-1 drugs are profoundly effective tools, but weight loss shouldn't be judged by the scale alone. To protect muscle, maintain bone integrity, and build a resilient body, resistance training and structured exercise must be non-negotiable pillars paired with the medication.
>>77398264>>77398274So you more or less just confirmed what the other guy was saying. When you lose weight you lose fat/bone/muscle regardless of method. GLP-1 drugs don't actually cause any more bone loss than traditional methods provided the GLP-1 users also engage in resistance training.
>>77397890>kekzepetide and co think they'll look good after losing 80% of their muscle as a side effectKLOK
>>77398300Correct. Maybe I misread the other guy, but it sounded like he was saying he only read one study that validated this and the others were contradictory.
>>77398300>>77398274Excuse me but I don't give a shit what some braindead AI summary says. No, these studies clearly showed a propensity to lose bone & muscle mass even if you did exercise.
>>77398315Want to point to where it says this specifically?
>>77398274You clearly asked AI to shape an answer to suit your desired narrative.
>>77398318I trust an AI summary to be more impartial than a random anon who already made his opinion and ideological bias known. Unless you can be specific, and provide citations from those papers, vague posting like this only hurts your case and makes you seem less credible.
>>77398315Omfg....
>>77398318Lel
>>77398318>>77398339owned... lol
>>77397893That's literally the point of almost all drugs, yes.
>>77397893Yes? Human evolution is a fucking unfair lottery but at least we got TECHNOLOGY to improve our lives.
>>77397890>ai slop poster pushing shit drugs
>>77397914Even if that was true, which it isn't because all weight loss results in loss of bone density, loss of bone density isn't worse than obesity.
>>77397921and when other people are also a normal weight, the focus shifts to their shortcomings.
>>77397914u got dunked on son
>>77397893SAY THAT LOUDER FOR THE CHRON'S DISEASED PEOPLE IN THE BACKpreach gurl ~~**sparkle**
>>77397890>aislop
Looks like Mr Mike Israelcel found the thread and is shilling GLP drugs with AI summaries.
>>77397895>Mother with BPD>Alcoholic father who drank himself to death>Step-dad who was a strait up psychopath, and psychologically terrorized me and brother>Aunt and uncle who focused their attention on my little brother (they aren't bad parents, I love them to death, but they just didn't know how to support a broken teenager) after we got adopted>No positive male rolemodels in my life>Every romantic relationship ended up as catasprophes because I was so socially stuntedI didn't start develop into a somewhat functioning adult until I was 25. Junkfood and soda was my only comfort.I guess I should just be happy I didn't turn to alcohol like my father, or drugs like some of my classmates and childhood friends.But yeah, food addiction is an entire different kind of hell, because it's such a basic part of your instincts not to go hungry or thirsty.At least I'm turning it around here in my 30's, but I have no hopes I'll ever be fully healed.
>>77397890ITS NOT FAIR THEY CHEATED
>>77397890Tell him to go off the drug and see if he stays that way.
>>77397893>you think taking caffeine made you alert?
>>77399544also unhealthy
