The natty limit for 99.9% of men is a LOT lower than you've been told. You will most likely never "look like you work out" unless you have top 0.1% genetics or roid yourself half to death. The people you see online or irl who "look like they work out" are all on gear.Picrel is about the natty limit for the vast majority of men. Maybe a bit bigger if you're a genetic freak.
>>77400192This guy looks like how I looked after a sub par year 1 of lifting rofl. This is a joke. Don't be demoralized
I look better than that and I’ve been lifting for 5 months, natty ofc
>>77400192>looks like he can’t even bench 2pl8>natty limit Kys faggot
>>77400204Exactly
>>77400192Now if u don't bulk this literally will be the natty limit, this is literally first year noob gains,
>>77400204You could have picked a more believable timeframe you fake natty tranny
TRVTH NVKE
stop eating like shit, stop sleeping like shit, track your lifts and do progressive overload, stop leaving 10 reps in reserve every setProblem solved
>>77400192I was asked if I was on steroids yesterday.
>>77400192For people on a plant-based diet, yes, the natty limit is very low because you're chronically malnourished.For people who follow the natural human diet (carnivore) the limit is so much higher.
>>77400337You can do that for 6 years and you'll end up with picrel's body UNLESS you're a genetic mutant or cheating with the sozzle
>>77400192Whoever that pic is of needs to do more bench press.
>>77400192OP speaks the truth
>>77400337Stop assuming people who look DYEL are doing things poorly. I've been lifting for 4 years, tracking everything I eat, all my lifts, applying progressive overload, reaching failure as much as I can, and I still look DYEL. It's quite difficult to know whether my numbers at gym are high enough so that I should be muscular, but based on Strength Levels I am advanced or elite on my lifts, and yet...
>>77400416Bench press is bad for your shoulders. Natties shouldn't really do compound lifts
>>77400192Would
>>77400337I can do all that except not sleeping like shit.
>>77400489You're part of the 99.9% of men, don't feel bad about it. Roidheads and genetic freaks will tell you you're doing something wrong, but ignore them
>>77400528I'm done with all these posters saying "you must be doing something wrong" as if they were doing everything perfectly. Are they, really?
>>77400532If you mean are they taking dangerous amounts of anabolic steroids, then yes
>>77400536I don't think all these guys who look good are roiders, but they are most likely blessed by good genetics
>>77400192Bronze era bodybuilders placed heavy emphasis on bone structure and made wrist measurements popular for that very reason, it was assumed that the maximum size of your arms were determined by the thickness of your wrist. Nowadays you have all these fake natties with bone structures of women talking about aesthetics and how you can grow big arms on a shitty skeleton, but it's honestly all bullshit.If a natty has big muscles that don't match his frame, that should be the giveaway you want to look for. Ain't no way your getting 16 inch lean with sub 7 inch wrists.Look at people like John Grimek (Olympic weightlifter) and George Eiferman for what can be done naturally, and even that is debatable. Their massive forearms and insane strength for their time. And yes they did all kinds of arm workouts as well, even back then. These had both 8+ inch forearms and weren't even "shredded" and dry, just dense and healthy.Picrel unrelated. In case anyone underestimates the true bodybuilders of that era (non-natty). They had good diets and workouts back then as well.
>>77400243Checked the logs — I started doing pushups December 25 using the “just 6 weeks” app. Then started weightlifting week of Feb 23, that’s when I started a job where my office has a gym. I’ve been running regularly since October 2025 though (that’s in strava).
>>77400243I feel sad for you, he looks like a skinny guy who works out. I dread to imagine what you look like if your immediate reaction to that pic is to throw out steroid accusations.
>>77400593I don't think he's on steroids, I'm just saying that for 99.9% of men, a body like that is the maximum
>>77400192The OP picture is bigger than 90% of /fit/. The other 10% are the roidtrannies, who are overrepresented on here
lifetime natty, about 10 years lifting. most i've ever taken is preworkout and protein powder. 64kg, 164 cm. i bench 2pl8s, squat 3.5pl8s and deadlift 4.5pl8s. been told by multiple gym regulars how i'm jacked. i feel like i'm pretty close to my natty limit, but not yet there.
>>77400602>10 years lifting>164 cm>i'm pretty close to my natty limit>looks DYELLMFAO.
>>77400602Is this a troll
>>77400622He looks insanely good, you're just overexposed to roiders and photoshopped pictures of shirtless men
>>77400192>blackpilldidnt read, plus ur gay,.
>>77400629He looks good, but not for a manlet with 10 years of lifting in the past.
>>77400192I no longer mog.
>>77400622>>77400637you have body dysmorphia.
>>77400636How can I be gay when I creampied your mother last night?
>>77400629bruh, he looks like trashnatty lifting is a joke
>>77400665it's pretty funny. people irl tell me how i'm jacked. anonymous /fit/posters laugh at my build.
>>77400679brother you are 164cm, no one tells you you're impressive, that never happened
>>77400204HEHEHEHEHE,KEEP TELLING YOURSELF THAT MY GUY,NO ONE ELSE WILL,OP LOOKS BETTER THAN YOU
>>77400687Nta but im 5'6 and today this guy asked if we wanted to borrow a lift and we're like nahh and he's just like yeah youre a sturdy guy. I do ohp the weight of the air conditionet unit by myself, let alone with another person. My muscles most most people's including yours. Feels good.
>>77400679I was with my 165cm manlet boss today and a jacked 5’4 guy walked in the cafeteria and my boss told me>You can never look intimidating at that height. And that came from a manlet, imagine what tall people think. Heightpill is brutal
>>77400703Well, I was with my 5’6 coworker at a wedding and he couldn’t get the dress of the bride from the top of her closet and he asked me to do it. Height trumps all
>>77400596>Doomer mentalityI don't think I can succeed so I won't even try.
>>77400706Sounds like something you made up but luckily i have never had a problem like that.
>>77400622>>77400625Fitness influencers have ruined you.
>>77400192stfu retard, just dont workout like a retarded roidtranny and you will grow as a natty
>>77400706no woman would keep her wedding dress on a shelf, they'd hang it up larper and a virginthat height didn't help you much did it?
>>77400192I have lifted for 15 years and when I get shredded I just look like a spooky skeleton. I gain like 1lb of muscle a year if that. I pretty gave up on trying to look good and I just lift as a hobby.
>>77400410>>77400489ok, then just get lean
>>77400705After a while you stop giving a shit because the halo effect doesn't apply to you. Nobody is going to like you from the get go unless they get to know you better or they need something from you.It's nice though, like an alternate society where you don't care what anybody thinks. Yes I'm 5'4. Yes I look like I'm overcompensating when I go to the gym. Yes I'm going to keep lifting.
>>77400192>you will never look like you work out WHILE WEARING NORMAL EVERYDAY office clothes that aren't comically too smallthat statement would maybe be correct, but if you are posing and flexing you can absolutely look shredded as a natty. in your pic you are just too fat for it to show.
>>77400192I frame-mog this guy pretty decently. Pretty good genetics and I'm not on gear, but I'm on a top 0.00001% supplement stack, I mean way way beyond what any influencer shills into the most deranged biotech shit.
>>77401281Anon can you share some of the most effective ones with us please? I'm very curious.
OP is a retarded faggot
Retarded faggot, OP is.
OP is a crybaby fag trying to justify his gear use. If you have muscle but you look like shit, it means you need to be more lean, rather than getting bigger, that's self evident if you don't have body dysmorphia.
Contrary to what my possession of this image would imply, I'm not the faggot, OP is.
And most of these guys are from before the invention & popularization of steroids.
Hell, the Russian Lion even thought most of your plate should be veggies. Dude got like this and probably wasn't even eating an optimal amount of protein.
>>77401853Bull semen.
>>77401870Not true though.
>>77401873There's no way to be certain but the part about his diet is his own word straight from his book.
>>77401873I'm case you don't believe me
>>77400192>>77400558true but people who are not aware of the eventual limitations will always be more enthusiastic consumers so the industry would rapidly shrink if the gaslighting stoppedit's very hard to convey this message though, you have to experience it first handnoob gains combined with fake natties forced into feeds is an absolute brainwashing for beginners
>>77400494This is so retarded it almost has to be bait. And yet, it would be incredible if you truly believed it.
>>77401878In his other books he talks about his diet he used for his competitions, and he eats beans, meat, milk all that stuff. It's in his routine description. He definitely knew how to eat back in his younger days.
>>77401892I wonder if he still ate in the prescribed 1:3 ratio of protein to veggies. Beans are goated.
Crazy how the white boy natty limit is less than a black guy in Cuba that doesn't lift and is blockaded from accessing basic necessities and food. Biological diversity is illuminating.
>>77401870I think a dusty old pamphlet can't cancel the well observed fact that low protein combined with lifting equals in subpar results
>>77401910>posts some black DYEL>WHITE NATTIES OUR RESPONSE?
>>77401910cringe brown post
>>77401923>DYELI guarantee if you got as lean as him even with all your years of lifting, you would look even smaller.
>>77401960I find that hard to believe, that brown is smaller than the sheboons. There's better examples you could have picked for race baiting if you want to kike around on /fit/ you retard. Nta
>>77401960That's about normal for daily manual labor and a low caloric diet. How fat and ugly is your area for you to believe that is some sort of idyllic goal.
>>77400192Your natty mass limit is directly proportional to your strength If you never train heavy and chase strength while focusing on volume, you'll never get big Retards will train high rep bitch weight and wonder why they can't get big
>>77400337>10 reps in reserve >You start a set where you can leave 10 reps in reserve Idk how smol u r but ud haf to b micro
>>77400192that is indeed the limit for those who still don't know how to lift properly despite years of trying. if you have a solid foundation and you keep build on it, this is certainly achiveable.
>>77400192idgaf, I’m guaranteed to look and feel better if I work out than if I don’t.
>>77401910I love all races but I hate all people but I like certain individuals, humans tend to rape their young and sexually exploit whoever they can on the extreme ends of the scale so fuck us I hate us dude so many children were raped by humans I have zero respect for anyone
>>77401886Bench is bad for your shouldersDL is bad for your backSquats are bad for your kneesThese are OBJECTIVE facts and you're a big gay retard if you don't accept them
>>77401983haha yeah the magic way to lift a dead weight that gives you superphysiological muscle size, and others ofc dont do this thats why they remain small.ok dude
This claim is only an issue for those who have grown up eating garbage and weren't active in their most important formative years and have started "lifting" after like 25-30. Let's not forget that most normies don't know how to lift (follow a roider split, don't push themselves to failure with negative reps).As long as you grow up eating your proper and natural diet of meat, fish, eggs and fruir then stay active both in terms of cardio and resistance training, you'll look good.
>>77401960>I guarantee if you starved yourself like some poor favela macaco you would look just as much of an auschwitz victimOkay?
>>77400602Fuck those replies. Good job.
>>77402111Says the big gay homo retard
>>77402203thanks man. i don't care about the crabs in a bucket here. they have their own issues they need to work out. i know i can trust the opinions of the people who compliment me irl, because their brains aren't rotted by fitness influencers
>>77401870Is this guy even 5 feet tall?If he ate better maybe he wouldnt be so short.Natties taking lifting advice from manlets is worse than taking advice from roiders.Some midget like this puts on 10lbs of newb gains and look jacked (as long as body fat is low) because it doesnt take as much muscle volume to fill out his frame compared to a 6'2" lanklet.Manlet here looks good in pics by himself but I bet this lil fag would struggle to bench 185lbs for 10 reps.
>>77402231I think he was the one that either invented or popularized the bench press. Was very strong at it as well, also one of the best wrestlers of his time.
>>77400192This is false. I grew up in a big military town and did 5 years in state prison. Nearly every guy <60 years old who regularly trained and ate well looked like they worked out, to varying degrees. Your problem is that you're probably a lil' zoom who has spent his entire life on the internet and has been brain-rotted into believing that "look like you work out" means fitness influencer type of physique. I've come to the conclusion that conversations on the board are dominated by influencers who make money off men being anxious and young dumb guys who have been brainwashed by them.
>>77402224>i can trust the opinions of the people who compliment me irl, because it's more convinientYou go, girl.>everyone who's not impressed by my physique is a crab in a bucketSure, we're all just jealous here, and don't have to say anything of value.
The only thing that annoys me about natty lifting is how hard it is to have really defined abs.You have to really train them, and get to like 9%bf for them to really show in natural lighting.pic unrelated
>>77401973Post body
>>77400622Idk why copers shutting on you. I’ve seen two year zoomers bigger than him
>>77400494I hate this board so much. I hope a dictator comes to power and imprisons you all.
>>77400494>>77402111Avoid lifting heavy weights and you won't injure yourself.
>>77400192I just want to have somewhat visible muscles and not be fat
>>77400629I don't say this word often but your gaslighting absolutely will not work here
>>77401870The bulk of the food I've consumed today is vegetables and I'm at 1000 kcal and 110g of protein for the daySkill issue.
>>77401856>>77401859>>77401864>>77401868>>77401870always with these 5 feet manletspost a 6 ft human
>>77401910What makes you think he doesn't do some form of exercise and eat a good amount of protein?
>>77400192im no model fitness advocate by any means but, i heard it said that if you watch your calories carefully but increase them by a couple hundred (just based on OP's pic), train with high intensity, and rest, you can reap good progress and results with time. I don't think OP is doing any of that.
>>77403933Put down the fork?
>>77400602its ok man, good on you for being consistent. Just increase your calories a little, try a couple hundred calories, and increase your intensity, go a little heavier next week, just a little. make sure you rest, train every other day for instance. You're clearly capable of building muscle, i can see it from this photo.
>>77403974thanks man, but i'm actually cutting. already down 4kg from that pic.
>>77404011>already down 4kg from that picwhen did you start? thats loads btw, hats off sir
>>77403974>>77404011
>>77404020this place can be organic and uplifting, you know...?
>>77404016that pic is from like a year ago. i accidentally lost 1kg from just eating less. i've been intentionally cutting for 3 months, so 3 kg in 3 months.
>>77403952>Average US height 5'9
>>77400192I spent years and years lifting and was basically DYEL like OPs picture. My lifting consisted mostly of "bodybuilding" shit. In my early 40s I started training like a powerlifter, looking to get stronger in just the 4 basic lifts plus chinups (and I did curls and triceps pushdowns) and in 3 years I was told I was starting to "look like a bodybuilder."I was old AND have VERY average genetics (as evidenced by the fact that I lifted throughout my teens and 20s and was DYEL) AND was tall (6'5") AND had just lost a shit ton of fat, which means I had to keep my diet very under control and careful and not in a bulk AND I was natty. However, by traing to get strong in the basic lifts with progressive overload, I began to look muscular.The takeaway is, if you are natty and of average genetics, you CAN build a muscular body but you HAVE to pursue gorilla like, competitive powerlifter strength to get there. If you just chase the pump and do bodybuilder shit, if youre natty and of average genetics, I beleive that shit just doesnt work. Look up Wendlers 5/3/1 and buy the book (there are several) . Its an easy read and well explains the philophy behind the easy and straightfroward program suggestsions he makes
>>77406229I believe this. How many perma dyels can even 1/2/3/4? Why does everyone think they can 'look strong' without being strong?
>>77406229>>77406278yea, hit 1/2/3/4 this month after 8 months powerlifting style training and while I feel I look like shit, people in my life have begun commenting, saying I look wide n that I'm filling my shirts nicely.It feels like it will take several years to get even close to where I want to get but i think strength by itself does have a visual effect.
>>77400192>has never tried to see max muscle growth possibility and lifting form doesn't build muscle even with 10 sets >has never tried to maximize fat loss or fat/muscle ratio for a cut>thinks benching twice a week is good for a bulk>on the other end never takes long weekends or effective deloads >never works hard enough to even deserve a day if rest You are probably doing more wrong than right if you blame genetics. This is biology and you can't cheat it or convince it to work with words.
>>77400192>>77400243i pity you, anon
>puts shirt onlean chads in shambles rn
Then fuck it. I’m doing steroids.
>>77400192Forgot to lose weight fatty
Holy shit when will manlets LEARN?
