Eat all the vegetables Anon. They are good for you. In fact, you should only eat vegetables and a little bit of fruit

>>77418045
But why

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>>77418073
I'm vegan and you should too!

>>77418073
The bacteria in you intestines like insoluble fiber;
Lack of micronutrients can lead to nasty diseases that can fuck you up for a long time.

>>77417989
The fact that vegetables taste so delicious and are so edible when they are cooked properly (steamed or boiled until soft then roasted/pan fried until browned and crispy) tells me they are good for me. Raw vegetables taste like shit except for peppers and onion, and even those taste far better when cooked.
Cook your veggies. "Overcook" them, even.

>>77418089
Honestly one of the most convincing arguments. Nevertheless it begs the question: which vegetables and why? How come a gazillion rice farmers and other ancestors survived on undoubtedly a limited selection? Is the human form only perfected when it can eat 200 different vegetables from all over the globe?

>>77417989
just pay attention to your body, I personally feel really good after eating beets, eggs and bloody steaks so they are my go to foods. Beans make me feel sluggish and lethargic so I avoid them.
Most things make me feel nothing so I assume they're fine.
When in doubt eat the vegetables your ancestors ate. If you're ancestors were western european you probably should stick with cabbage, beets, carrots, turnips, spinach, radish ect

>>77418099
Not many I don't like. My favorites are probably broccoli, brussels/cabbage, green beans, asparagus, peppers, and spinach.

you don't need vegetables
nothing essential about them, in fact each one only has a limited selection of micronutrients while animal products have all of them

the main benefits you might get from certain vegetables come from phytochemicals (there's thousands of them, good luck keeping track), but all of those only have small effects and aren't necessary

Reminder that we have only identified like 200 micronutrients, and we know there are many more we haven't identified
We literally don't know what micronutrients matter

>>77418582
You're the kind of special who buys vitamin p supplements

the only vegetable i eat is sauerkraut. apart from that the only non animal thing i eat are nuts like walnuts, seeds like chia seeds and some peanut butter every day
fruit and vegetables make me bloated and uncomfortable as shit

Meat tastes better when stewed with vegetables so I don't understand this sub 80IQ hate of them

>>77417989
anon the little niggas in your gut microbiome will heavily appreciate it if you consume vegetables instead of ben & jerry's, soda and cock.

>>77419390
sorry i forgor to say dick

>>77419558
Did those little niggas tell you that? Did they happen to mention which kinds? How much? Or else?

I appeal to the combined wisdom of the board assembled through osmosis and autism to evaluate what we know and what we don't know about vegetables as nutrition. If you think "what's wrong with nutrition science? who would trust anecdotes?" then with all the best the question is not for you

>>77419390
>fruit and vegetables make me bloated and uncomfortable as shit
This means your gut biome is wrecked. You need to eat veggies, beans/pulses and fibrous foods to get things functioning properly.

>>77419887
>you need to eat more fruit and vegetables so you can eat more fruit and vegetables
genius

https://www.drlwilson.com/ARTICLES/FOOD.DAILY.htm
now you know

>>77419891
That is unironically how you fix it. It might take a little time.

>>77419907
I remember having a verbal conversation with somebody on this board, off board, and they shilled this to me as some kind of cure-all. Ridiculous.

>>77420341
what was ridiculous about it? he's right you know

For me? They need to be thoroughly cooked. Not overlooked though.

I can eat infinite fruit, but when I eat raw veg (or lightly cooked) for more than a few days I get horrible acne.

>>77420400
Ok

>>77420421
congrats, you just discovered for yourself that they're unhealthy
now you won't be psyoped anymore

>>77417989
>Which vegetables are the "best"

Raw brocholi, kale, raw crushed garlic, occasional tomatoes paste, psylium husk, bananna, walnuts, granny smith apples are the ones I try to include

>>77420495
Also oats, wheat germ and kefir

>>77420495
psyllium husk isn't a vegetable

>>77417989
>Redpill me on vegetables
Only got popular after the world wars because governments had to rationalize their food rationing to people. Before that, they were seen like candy is seen today: A bit won't kill you but it isn't exactly healthy to eat. The only excpetions were ofc some weird diet cults that existed back then just like they do now. People generally ate meat (mosly beef from what I can see from the sources, chicken is almost non-existant) and grains in the West and surprisingly low fat.

People will not believe this and flame me. That is okay. Brainlets believe scientifc "facts" don't change, after all.

>>77420521
What would you call it then?
>>77417989
Dont listen to vegans, ketos, or carnivores. Those are all meme diets meant for the short term. Be an omnivore for health and to watch the aforementioned groups seethe.
Look up the Greek Horiatiki salad. I dont like bell peppers so i leave them out but that salad is one of the best combinations of vegetables and dairy.

>>77421297
Cabbage, potatoes, turnips, carrots, onions and other such vegetables were extremely common during the American Revolution era. They were cheap, filling and could be preserved for later seasons. Although meat was not uncommon, people who ate MOSTLY meat during that time were very wealthy.

>>77421297
You're such a fucking retard. To think that average people "before the world wars" were eating meat daily for breakfast, lunch and dinner is retardation of the highest level.
Vegetable and grains were the staples of the diet, especially root vegetables as you could literally grow them. Many western diets were predominantly vegetarian (Italian for example) with small to moderate amounts of dairy and eggs (cheese for example) and then small amounts of meats whenever available. This wasn't for ethical or moralistic reasons, it was for the most practical reasons of cost and availability.
Fruits were eaten in season and were seen as something of a treat, only "candy" as you put it, in that sense.
This would've been more or less the same for all rural populations (most people) before the "affluence" of the latter part of the 20th century.

>>77421297
Whatever the exact case, it seems true that ordinary people ate vegetables for the cheap calories and possibly additional flavors, not as essential for health. The latter interpretation is decidedly modern and therefor suspect

>>77423500
Early sailors were literally caught limeys because they would keep limes with them for long voyages because they realized after eating citrus they felt better because they were getting scurvy from lack of vitamin C.

Same with every medicinal herb etc.

>>77417989
Humans, like all primates, are frugivores. There are no micronutrients in vegetables that can't be found in fruits. Virtually all vegetables contain some kind of harmful substance, often referred to as antinutrients. Some fruits do as well but at concentrations many times lower than those found in vegetables.

With the sole exception of tubers, vegetables are also worthless from a nutrition standpoint. They are extremely low calorie because humans can't digest plant fibers so the bulk of any vegetable you eat just passes through your body undigested. They're worthless as a source of energy.

If you want to eat more plant foods then eat more fruit, the food that every inch of your body was objectively structured to locate and gather. You have detailed color vision and long delicate fingers for gathering fruit, not picking lettuce.

>>77417989
Vegetables have phytonutrients that do useful stuff. For example, chelate heavy metals out of your body, possibly detoxify environmental crap like dioxin (in theory onion), make it harder for viruses and bacteria to attach to your cells (garlic), dilate blood vessels (beets), generally just do free radical scavenging. They also make your body dump bile, and bile is made from cholesterol, so you end up with lower cholesterol. I can vouch for garlic effects, and experimenting with a ton of onion (like a kg of onion in a fatty soup so quercetin absorbs better) reliably gives me sex dreams, I assume it's testosterone going up, though after a couple of days it stabilizes and no sex dreams anymore.

>>77418099
They had a wider selection. Tons of local herbs full of bioactives, too.

>which vegetables
Ask ai to rank by phytonutrient density. Off the top of my head, garlic, beets, chokeberries, unalkalized cacao, broccoli+mustard, black pepper+turmeric in fat.

>>77423707
But that only shows that the ordinary diet of the ordinary person, consisting of mostly grains and meats (?), does not cause vitamin C deficiency. You need to bring limes if your diet is extremely (artificially?) restricted
>>77423739
Good answer. Although I won't trust AI because it can only hallucinate what the "settled science" recommends, and with the limitations of nutritional science I prefer anon's redpill

>>77423756
AI is fine. Hallucinations are way down. Very useful as a starting point. Just cross check. Settled science doesn't exist in actual science, it's a downstream media/normies mythologising thing.

Vit C deficiency is real and while you will not get scurvy you will have weaker tendons for example. RDA is not for achieving max potential. Though it's better to just eat a vitamin vs getting it from veg. For micros vegetables indeed suck.

>>77423769
I can't even begin to fathom the kind of unholy statistical alchemy that was used to come up with RDI/RDA for all those micros. Without an established mechanism I remain suspicious. I've also heard often that multivitamins to "top off" whatever you're missing aren't really useful either.

>>77423778
Probably something like
>does this disease correlate with a specific level of x in blood?
>at what blood level of x does the disease appear?
>what daily amount of x is needed to go above that level?

Stop being suspicious about teh science, all the "SCIENCE IS WRONG" crap is just grifters and marketing. If you legit worry about 100% optimization, read textbooks, if you want just the easy 80% optimization, base diet around beanz and eggs and liver and fish and veg and supps. Though too much liver might be bad cuz of fenton reaction from iron.

>>77423782
I understand your plea but I have seen statistics go off the rails too many times to believe population studies anymore, especially with how much media and business stakes are involved with health. Honestly I made the thread to hopefully filter out some micro stuff that is significant and established, on the level of say omega 3 and vitamin D. I am not looking to optimize, rather the opposite: a "good enough" without autistically obsessing over micros.

>>77423782
To add: obviously grifters and their 1001 "health hacks" are arguably even worse than The Science

>>77423806
You don't have to believe them, you just have to also not believe contrarians because 90% of the time it's based on a crappy misinterpreted study or some other retardation. FWIW food pyramid if you actually read the instructions to it and don't roid is perfectly fine for your goals.

Phytonutrients are not micros (not essential) and veg is meh for micros unless you count fiber as one (if you don't, enjoy colon cancer and ldl). They're important for healthy aging and quality of life but you can get most of the benefits by just going for whatever's dense in them and convenient for you.

Micros are their own problem because if you train hard and eat lots of protein then some non-essential aminos might become essential (stuff that makes up collagen) and other might become harmful (methionine, though realistically at 2g/kg muscle meat protein it's fine)

Actually scratch the food pyramid comment, I don't exactly remember the recs there. just that if you go for whole grains and eat a proper amount of carbs for activity level you're gonna be roughly where you have to be as a natty non-novice lifter macros wise.

>>77423836
>colon cancer
people only get this because they have cursed fetid+rotted+cursed colons from not taking the coffee enema redpill
https://www.drlwilson.com/Articles/COFFEE%20ENEMA.HTM
worked for gerson's cancer patients and it'll work for you