As a longtime natty lifting since 2020, or people who have a competitive spirit, how do you stay the path and not tempted to hop on?It just seems the competition is fierce and it’s so common for guys under 25What keeps you on the natty path anons
>>77419658>people who have a competitive spirit, how do you stay the path and not tempted to hop on?Hopping on is admitting defeat.
I’m too scared. Genuine answer
>>77419658the hypothalamus and pituitary gland is aware of how much circulating hormones are in your blood streamevery time it tells your gonads to release testosterone it knows it did that. So when you add hormones from outside the body, it thinks something is wrong with your testicle and lowers production of your own hormones.This is whatever for muscle gains since the ones you're adding more than make up for itBut the balls require local testosterone to make sperm, and the dick needs local T to function properly so eventually you have to apply T gel or you can't get hard. Its fucked upgear makes people infertile for this reason
>>77419672rubbing gel on my penis every time i want to use it doesn't sound good lol, can't be worth the muscles
>>77419658>It just seems the competition is fierceWhat competition? Will they kick you out of the gym for looking like a dyel?
I’m 40 and I’m considering (ready, with everything on hand) to begin a TRT+ protocol.I already like my physique, of course I wouldn’t complain about having more muscle. But for me the main reason is, I’m feeling my age… my libido is low, my mood and motivation is low, my sleep quality is low, my joints ache, I go from one minor injury to another, and basically I can’t maintain the lifestyle that I want, naturally. Or at least, it’s getting a lot harder.My natty T is in the 500’s, free T is around 100. E2 around 20. I suspect that I would feel great with double or triple these numbers, but there’s only one way to find out….If it doesn’t work out, or I don’t feel any different… I can alway pct, I know some people will fear monger about permanent shut down, but it’s highly unlikely from a year or less with testosterone onlyI just want to be energized again and recovery at full speed
I'm not mentally ill so I don't feel cravings to troon out, how is this even a question lol
>>77419658trannie jannies banned me once for asking
>>77419658you're a female to male tranny if you use roids
>>77419687>I know some people will fear monger about permanent shut down, but it’s highly unlikely from a year or less with testosterone onlydoesn't even happen, there is actually zero mechanism where this would even remotely make sense. this is a common roider FUD that they spread themselves to keep natties away. Do diabetics who take insulin lose the ability to create insulin..? no, actually their pancreas gets a break, partially heals, and gains the ability to produce even MORE insulin. The same goes with the HPTA axis and testes. Literally most of the bad shit you hear about roiding is from enhanced athletes themselves gatekeeping. Learn to spot them.
>>77419658>longtime>since 2020
>>77419658Remembering that roidtrannys are insecure little faggots and deep down they know they're cheating which is why they always cope about it instead of owning up to it.
>>77419658You've only been at it 6 years, but started at 30, fuck it get on some T.
>36>talking about fierce competition with guys under 25 you should definitely jump on as much gear as possible and cruise so you can get yourself out of the gene pool asap.
>>77419658>the competition is fiercewhat are you competing for exactly? And don't say girls you homo, you're 36.
Consider- roiders look really bad. sure you get big fast, but you look grotesque, even worse if you ever hop off. natty lifters (with discipline) look great- they often die young
>>77419658That's a nasty looking scar Connor got. Was it from the roids, some exotic animal, or a stab wound?
enjoy not having hair
>>77419658Under 25 is the worst time to take roids because it stunts your growth and makes you mentally retarded.Though roids are bad at any time since1. Put your bigorexia aside and realize that lifting for just 6 months, 3 times a week, will give you an athletic body women like2. You don't want to wreck your health. Have you ever seen what someone with a failing liver looks like? You don't just party until you're 50 and die peacefully in your sleep. More like you party until you're 30 and are decrepit for the next 30 years, constantly in pain, sick, and looking hideous with yellow skin and sores everywhere, wasting muscles and a pot belly from fluid buildup in the abdomen.
>>77419786Don’t listen to this dyel faggot, medical professional here, they have no idea what they are talking about
>>77419658I'm 39 and am going to spend the rest of the year coming to terms that I will be lifting less weight then when I used to.
>>77419915I think his stab wound was higher and smaller. It's more likely he found a centipede and thought "haha bug" and put it on his body.
>>77419658>that scardid he get his kidney stolen before an heroing?
Take the powershitter pill. You can be competitive on strength sports, there's weight classes and you're drug tested after every meet, and once you get good enough you're drug tested randomly 3 times a year.
too soon. RIP Connor
>>77419687>I can’t maintain the lifestyle that I wantWhat do you mean by that, are you doing the rock climbing bicycling boomer shit every day or something?
>>774198636-7 years of consistent training is a long time.
>>77419658>it’s so common for guys under 25No it isn't >What keeps you on the natty path anonsLmao, why the fuck would I start injecting shit that is unhealthy as fuck and can permanently cripple my hormone production? I don't need reasons to stay natty because taking steroids is completely retarded.
>>77419658BIT OF TEST WONT HARM YOU,CERTAINLY HAS LIFE AND SOCIAL BENEFITS,YOU WILL FEEL 25 PUT IT THAT WAY>WHY STAY NATTYPICK A REASONABLE GOAL AND SHOOT,THE JOURNEY IS MORE REWARDING,KNOWING THAT YOU CAN GET 3-5 YEARS OF GROWTH IN 6-12 MONTHS,NEVER SAT RIGHT WITH ME,EXPERIENCE WILL ALWAYS BE KING,>>77419905HEHEHEHE,THIS GUY KNOWS A GAY WHEN HE TASTES ONE,>>77420012THIS GUYS A REAL ONE,YOUR RISK OF INJURY ALSO INCREASES,IM GASSED PUTTING SOCKS ON,HEHEHE
>>77420459Training 5-6x a week and daily cardio, plus an active job, 3 kids, home farm, hunter etc etc etcAre you the kind of person who gets butthurt by other people optimizing their own hormones?
>>77419658by not comparing myself to others especially 25-year-olds. It seems like you find it unfair that you are aging but that's just how life is. Sure you will have better regeneration and more muscles but these benefits always come at a cost which is cumulative over the years. I don't know if steroids will help you to manage your daily life better. I just opted not to use them
>>77420522lol you get defensive in every thread bro, relax. You answered my question and it made more sense once you said farm work>t. 36
>>77420522>Are you the kind of person who gets butthurt by other people optimizing their own hormones?You people really are MtM trannies, aren't ya?
>muh competition >muh cheating>muh temptation You guys are so fucking autistic. Either roid or don't just stop shitting up the catalog.
>>77420869This. So much thiss
>>77419687You're already a roidtranny bro
>>77419676>I need my penis rubbed (bad) before I can get my penis rubbed (good)you're totally correct but I find this amusing
>>77419927>lifting for just 6 months, 3 times a week, will give you an athletic body women likeliterally trveI'm like barely handsome and tall but I didn't notice attention/respect until I honestly ate and trained linear barbell progression for six monthsI wish I did it at like 14 years old b4 playing vidya all-night because nobody giving a shit about me in those formative years really fucked with my head and social skillsalso just knowing what it felt like to hold a 3-4pl8s and move it for reps was a mindset changerbut I experienced wow at its peak so at least I got that going for me
>>77419658Imagine getting all your masculinity from a little jewish bottle and literally taking it in the ass for the rest of your life. For what, to feel slightly less bad about getting old for a few years? True goycattle mentality. You’ll still get old and be outcompeted on looks. You aren’t supposed to compete on looks at your age. You’re supposed to be accomplished, emotionally mature, and have some modicum of wisdom. Thats what makes older men attractive.
>>77419786>Do diabetics who take insulin lose the ability to create insulin..?
>>77419658The more time that passes, the more I become convinced that virtually all steroid and TRT producers and sellers are engaging in some kind of astroturfing psyop across all of society. Pick anything else and ask "guys should I hop onto a subscription based service offered by a megacorporation that will cause bodily dependence and possible long term health problems?" and everyone would tell you that's a fucking stupid idea, but somehow when it comes to TRT or roids guys think they're taking the red pill when they pull this shit. News flash, Sith Lords like Peter Thiel fucking love the idea of every guy above the age of 12 hopping on TRT because it would make guys easy to control (and maybe increase the supply of guys he finds attractive in the population but that's another story). Stay independent, stay in control of your own body, own your physique and health instead of renting it.
As >>77419660 said.Steroids substitute hard work. As a natty who has peaked, you start looking down on losers who pin and they sense it.Nothing comes close to someone at natty peak, below 15% bf and a head full of long, thick hair.
>>77421239In jail we used to talk about how someone with long hair looked like a girl from the back.
>>77421242I'm sure you and the homo crew have had lots in common
>>77419687Implying you're not already a trt-fag, your hormones are low because you train too much, move to 2x/week workouts and focus on intensity and tbf you may need even more like 3-4 days between workouts.John heart talks about this on his youtube channel when he went back to compete in mr. natural universe in his 40s (and won)
>>77419658because i look good and am strongno need
>>77420888This, also:>cap indoors
Here’s how you resist the temptationhttps://www.bitchute.com/video/UF9c04PuauWu/
>>77419658If a medical treatment causes your balls to atrophy that’s natures way of telling you that you’re fucking up and should stop, simple as that.
>>77421258>>77421283Yes, sure. I’ll pretend I’m going to start TRT, but I’m secretly already on TRT. I am on 3iu of hgh, and like I said my natural testosterone is mid range. I’ve admitted the hgh many times, I started it 7 months ago. I could also provide 100’s of pictures from my 20 years of training Before hgh which would show that I’ve always had the same physique Not that you’d care because you’d rather believe that my physique is not attainable naturally, let alone at age 40. Which is a huge compliment to me, but also sadMy hair is a Norwood 0 btw, I don’t know how I got here unscathed, but I have the hairline of a teenager
>>77419658I'm fine with being a lean nattyAlso I'm a manlet (176cm) with wide shoulders so hopping on gear would just make me look like a dwarf
>>77419658>Op is 36>competition is fierce and common for guys under 25Holy fuck you are a massive insecure faggot. Where, when and how did you fuck up in order to end up in a situation where you are competing with people 10+ years younger than you are?There should be no competition at all. You've had 10+ years more than they.
>>77419658>What keeps you on the natty path anonsi lift for fun
>>77419658It's not noble
>>77419658>the competition is fierceAmong women and fags.I don’t want to live your life.
>>77421508> guys should I take test > okay you got me I’m already using> it’s just a little hgh and it didn’t even matter actually> no I won’t show any pictures from beforeLmao what is going on in that actual schizo faggot brain of his I change my mind, this guy should definitely hop on 1500mg. He is already a spiritual troon
>>77421660He mogs you tho
>>77420497This is how schizo boomers in YouTube comments speak
>>77421508U look like u lifted for one year stop posting your pics like it's some kind of achievement u look like shit and u had to sauce to get there. It's just sad.
>>77421670Lmao>look like you lifted for one year>look like you’re on gearOk
>>77419658>comparing yourself to othersnormie energy
>>77421660Here’s me from 2013205lbs, 15 heavier than I am now,The pose is an old Scooby pose, I took the pic to show Scooby when he used toPost on here and he commented on it back in the day, I was proud
>>77419658i'm not mentally ill so i'm not tempted to do it
People that started lifting after 15 are GDEs that don't know shit about lifting.
>>77420497You're not helping the tripfag reputation there, fag
if your goal is to look like a homo tranny roider then you need to roid. simple as that
>>77421258do you train this way?
>>77421508>Yes, sure. I’ll pretend I’m going to start TRT, but I’m secretly already on TRT.Why lie then?
>>77419658I don’t see much reason to give a shit. If you’re on regular test dosages and you’re already healthy go for it. No one gives a shit. Even the people from here who care don’t truly put much thought to it if they see someone IRL they know is on gear, which isn’t to mention you’re presumably just talking about TRT. Like we all know it just doesn’t matter at the end of the day what another man chooses to do with his own life it affects no one. One life why not. The only reasons not to are>egoSee above>healthEasily minimized by not blasting not using grams staying within TRT range and not expecting the drug to do all the work I.e. do cardio keep diet healthy prioritize sleep etc>personal achievementBorders into ego but this is a legitimate reason not toI’m 30 and I may start in a few years. Idk yet though, I haven’t seen many guys over the age of like 60 who I can tell are on except ultra wealthy dudes. Which poses the question do they just stop are they forced to due to health complications do they die or do they just stop giving a fuck about training and the diet but stay on TRT anyways so you can’t tell?
>>77421869Not understanding sarcasm is a sign of autism
>>77421876This >>77419687 post doesn’t have a sarcastic tone. You just lied.
>>77421879Which bit don’t you understand, the original post isn’t sarcastic, I said I’m considering TRT. The other post where I say > Yes, sure. I’ll pretend I’m going to start TRT, but I’m secretly already on TRTIs clearly sarcasm. To clarify for you, I am not on TRT, I am on 3iu of hgh. My testosterone levels are mediocre at best.
>>77419658>how do you stay the path and not tempted to hop onI studied endocrinology, so I know how sex steroid hormones and metabolic hormones work in males, and how to regulate them properly.
>>77421870>do they just stop giving a fuck about training and the dietYeah
>>77419658>competitive spiritThats exactly it there is none when your on gear. Roid trannys are losers chris bumstead the fag in your op struggle to overhread press 40 pound dumbells when off gear. Gear users and use is oversaturated boring field.
>>77421975The ultimate roidtranny blackpill is that video Levrone made mocking bodybuilding while deflated from coming down to a base test cycle. Fucking Olympia competitor and he barely looks bigger than random dyel YouTubers he did the skit with.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGolIyaKxvs&pp=ygUabGV2cm9uZSBib2R5YnVpbGRlciBwYXJvZHk%3D
Posted this elsewhere butRoiding is lifeJust got a transplant and need to cycle again, Last cycle was 5 years ago and just got cheated on I’m running out of time.Am I good for 300mg test 16 weeks on dut and ru58841. Is it better to wait a year or does it not really matter to just start now. I’m not worried about the existing hairs as they have stayed resistant, just the new follicles. Pls don’t call me retarded
>>77419658Steroids don't make you more attractive, they just increase male gaze. I don't really know how much simple I can explain this to you. I roided myself for a few years back in my 20s, but it was because I was into bodybuilding and was curious about it. It made me less attractive predictably (prominent veins, worse skin, and water retention aren't attractive traits believe it or not).All these stupid zoomers taking roids and peptides to "looksmax" is one of the dumbest fads I've seen on the internet. They are uglymaxing without even realising it. If you want to "compete" then the easiest thing to do is start eating lots of meat, raw dairy, wild fish, high quality eggs etc. Because most guys don't do this they just eat slop. Your skin and hair will improve drastically, you will be able to tan without burning or getting cancer, your skin will get softer, and if you're still growing it will promote better bone development. Why the fuck would you not do this and take drugs instead it's retarded.
>>77419658I'm 38 and don't really care too much about making huge gains but holy fuck I miss the speed of my recovery times from my 20s. If anything I'm tempted to "hop on" weird regeneration therapies like stem cell therapy.
>>77421242That's gay and jail is full of homos and pdf
>>77419658wtf is that on his side, did the Bikura get him?
>>77419687You look good, ignore the haters.
>>77422775His chink wife/gf stabbed him during a domestic.
>>77419658>or people who have a competitive spiritIf you had a competitive spirit, you would have started lifting before you were 29-30You're just an aging man unable to accept that his life is 40% over
>>77422937Thanks zoomy
>>77419660come on just ruin your penis bro
>>77419658Bro you're 36, you should be shacked up at this point. Fitness should be for longevity and inspiring the children (multiple) that your wife has given you. What, are you hanging out in college bars because you "still got it"? Because you don't.>>77419927>More like you party until you're 30 and are decrepit for the next 30 yearsYep, as I like to say, you don't "die young", you get old, young. And then you die.
Unless your career is dependent on your performance in the gym, you're just being a vain faggot who's going to wreck your health for some low-quality puss and some insta likesor you can browse /fraud/ for a few days and realize 95% of people on gear are vain, narcissists with crippling insecurityor just blast and burn twice as bright for half as long, idk man life's complicated
im in my early 30s and the bar for being considered jacked is extremely low. you think that because of social media, everyone is shredded but in reality the great majority of people don't exercise nor tracks their calories. everyone's got a fucking little beer belly. not only that, but i think that people overestimate the importance of being jacked. like sure it might generate initial interest, but if the rest of your life is empty, boring and centered around lifting and tracking your calories like an autist, no one will be impressed and most people won't want to spend time with you. i don't think people give a shit about fitness nearly as much as we think
>>77419658I'm poor and don't have health insurance. If I started doing steroids and got some health complications I would be in serious debt or dead. I'd rather roll what little extra money I have into some investments or better food to stay healthy longer.
>>77423275>Bro you're 36, you should be shacked up at this point.This is't the 1960s anymore, unc.
>>77422654And that's exactly why I started taking BPC-157Roids on the other hand doesn't make any sense to me, why would I care about about getting ultra muscular? I already got a cute wife that I loveImo Modafinil is 1000x way more important than roids could ever be
>>77419672Lol. Local T. The sad part is you probably actually believe this.
>>77419658I'm 36. Unless I have some weird symptoms (e.g., low sex drive), there is basically no reason to consider using it.Test is a big scam snake oil business right now. I'm in the medical/science industry and it's astonishing how people talk about T levels so wrongly.>test is only causal to low sex drive and low boner activity. It's a biomarker only for every other symptom people think is test related.>within the normal range of ~300-900, there is no dose response. You don't "boost test from 300 to 500" and see any result, at all. It doesn't work that way. Not even close. Test cycles up and down. In the normal range, changing it does nothing. You only see dose response and supraphysiological ranges, i.e. actually blasting test.>once again, low test does not cause tiredness, lack of motivation, or any of that other shit I see people say on here. non-science folks will read "low testosterone is associated with these symptoms" and immediately think causal, which is completely wrong.If you must know, the two biggest drivers of all the symptoms people associate with low test is 1) obesity (more accurately, visceral fat) and 2) messed up sleep. Literally fixing your sleep >>>>>> any sort of trt you could ever hop on.If you have ACTUAL low t (multiple measurements of sub-250 or around there), sure, you need trt. If you want to blast test, sure do that. But trt when you are in the normal range does nothing.
>>77423328nygga im 34 yo neet for last 2 years from east europe literally shithole on cycle for yearsif you care what can happen you will never life simple as fuck
>>77419658>What keeps you on the natty path anonsThe knowledge that my terrible natty genetics are probably 100% correlated with terrible roider genetics. I'd expect like 5% efficacy, 200% side effects because I'm pretty sure the only androgen receptors in my body are at the top of my scalp.
