Serious question: why does this kind of fat refuse to budge when cutting? It’s demoralizing
Because you are supposed to retain some fat for health
>>77422040It looks like shit
>>77422029I wish I knew
>>77422029Per LYLE PBUH ypu lose fat from the inside out and the from top to bottom. Per my experience I lose my love handles at about 16% bf. So if you are 20+% like that picture there is NO HOPE and you better EAT LESS.
>>77422029you were fed too much goyslop as a kid
>>77422050Probably
>>77422042It looks normal because it is. I understand that constant exposure to visual media has rotted your brain thoughever
>>77422049>16% bfMate I'm under 12% and still have lower back/love handle fat. Granted it's nowhere near as much as shown in op but it does seem to be the last to leave and first place to store.Maybe no-one else sees it but I see it.
>>77422029increase carb intake and do a mix of intense intervals and easy cardio throughout the week
>>77422062>increase carb intake?
>>77422144Why not? Are you one of those misinformed individuals that believe carbs make you fat?
>>77422155carbs make you fat, retard
>>77422166If you ate a million carbs but your tdee was a million and 1 you woulnt gain any weight. Carbs dont make you fat. Eating too much does. If you ate past your tdee in protein you would also gain weight.
>>77422029It's literally the LAST visceral fat that will go away for dudes u will need to be single digit most likely
>>77422029It's way more unattractive to obsess over that then to just have them lol. Fucking lame ass men touching their body in the mirror and crying about it, is fucking insane bro
>>77422176That isn’t visceral fat wtf
>>77422144He isn't wrong, leading cause of fatigue is cutting carbs too much.By ingesting carbs at slightly above maintenance needs and burning them off later to be slightly under the threshold for fat loss. You ensure the body can still function correctly and bit by bit burn off the last amounts of fat.This is maintainable until around 8-10% with little to no side effects. Under 10% it's a simple how long can you last before you gain weight again. It's not maintainable forever as muscle mass loss will start if you maintain energy output daily.Around 8% this becomes unstable, the energy requirements must be exact daily or muscle fatigue sets in and muscle loss happens in around 2-4 weeks. Eventually you will lose enough muscle mass to return you to the more stable 10% body fat.Also you basically get fat every time you eat at these stages.You'll wake up in the morning or after a workout be peak shredded and happy with yourself. As soon as you eat really any amount of food and drink water your body will begin the glycogen transfer to fuel muscle mass.This requires an absurd amount of water at 4 parts water molecule to one part glycogen molecule.So basically you balloon up instantly after eating or shortly after depending on if you're doing some meme diet like keto.This has its own health negatives since fighting this process causes extreme health negatives from regular dehydration, etc etc.My autism aside, if you fuel up with carbs, necessary for proper hydration. You give the body the fuel to burn the extra few calories each workout.Even if it's just 50 calories more daily.
>>77422155>>77422173We've been over this a million times already.It's very well established scientific knowledge.Yet you keep throwing tantrums like a child that's been told he can't eat cookies.
Combination of wide iliac crest, narrow rib cage, shit body fat distribution and not being active in your teen years. I have them as well.
>>77422223What is low GI carbs?
>>77422223Why can't you niggers just eat a balanced diet and be done with it. Eat carbs before and after exercising, and eat mostly protein.
>>77422223>We've been over this a million times already.Inside your head while talking to an AI perhaps.
>>77422223No. The screenshot is talking about one mechanism, not the whole picture.It's true that insulin suppresses lipolysis (the release of fat from fat cells). After you eat carbohydrates, insulin rises, and for a few hours your body burns more of the incoming carbohydrate and less stored fat.That does not mean carbs inherently make you fat.What determines whether you gain or lose body fat over time is your overall energy balance:If you eat more calories than you burn, you'll gain fat, whether those calories come from carbs, fat, or protein.If you eat fewer calories than you burn, you'll lose body fat, even if you eat plenty of carbohydrates.The reason is that insulin's effect is temporary. Between meals, during exercise, and overnight, insulin falls and fat breakdown increases again. Over days and weeks, what matters is whether your body ends up in a calorie surplus or deficit.So the statement in the screenshot—"insulin suppresses lipolysis"—is scientifically correct, but it doesn't prove that carbohydrates make people fat. Fat gain requires a sustained calorie surplus.This is why people can successfully lose weight on:High-carb, low-fat diets.Low-carb, high-fat diets.As long as calories and adequate protein are controlled, both approaches can work
>>77422237Exactly this.
One word:The Randal Cycle
>>77422042I haven't met many homosexuals in my life, but 100% of the homosexuals I knew had a weird obsession with removing love handles.
>>77422247>Immediately mentions homosexuals was out of nowhere.
>>77422252>out of nowhere
>>77422257Correct, that's what I said. Glad you can read.
>>77422176you can't pinch visceral fat retard. It's subcutaneous
>>77422265Literally nobody said that
>>77422267you can't be this retardedlove handles are not visceral fat because you can physically pinch them.
>>77422259Anon, you need to work on your reading comprehension.
>>77422247Some guys are chubby yet don’t possess love handles
I've been lurking here for 10 years and it's the first time i saw someone say that carbs make you fat, was there a new discovery or is it just keto shilling?
>>77422283Again, nobody said otherwise. Are you okay?
>>77422313Sorry you're so upset or whatever
>>77422359Insulin makes you fat
>>774220291. Protective to human organs2. Doesn't "get in the way" of regular human motions.It another reason why YOU value it so highly as a means to measure "health" or "attractiveness." It's a very rare piece of human anatomy that can instantly prove health with visual measurability.>Sag = Unhealthy>"I hate my saggy parts..."Very understandable.>"But I'm working to stop the sag!"Not hard enough, it seems. Clearly.>"It's not fair!"Life. Youth. You will age.
>>77422029Do more squats, lots of high energy cardio, and if you get a ab roller, go left and right with it.>>77422359Its just retarded animal flesh eaters who have no idea how the body functions cause they are drunk on blood and animal flesh. Very jewish influenced.
>>77422029because that's the best place the body can store fat, as close to your center of gravity as possible it's the first place you start putting fat on and it's the last place you lose it fromunless you're shooting for 10%-12% bf you'll basically always have love handlesthe only other option is to hide them by training your obliques so it tapers off into your body's natural V shape
>>77422409It might. It might not. Literally 50/50 chance
>>77422432I always read that training obliques increased your waist size and so should be avoided but I guess that could fill in the hourglass gap
>>77422232>balanced dietA "balanced diet" is a meaningless buzzword that the mainstream uses to justify a grain-based, plant based diet that kills millions of people every year with heart disease.Without modern dental hygiene technology (toothbrushes, toothpaste, dental cleanings) your carb-heavy "balanced diet" would've rotten half of your teeth before age 30.
>>77422427>the pro-carb faggot is a vegan or vegetardianLike clockwork.
>>77422467Post body
>>77422474You first, faggot. Don't forget the timestamp.
>>77422223>muh insulindiabetes really mindbreaks some niggas
>>77422029>BECAUSE I THINK IT MIGHT GO, A LITTLE SOMETHING, LIKE THIS I am enraged on a level that a human lacks comprehension for. But, I need to do something out of hatred and spite so I will now drop to the lowest BF% possible. Christ protect my dog. I miss her dearly.
>>77422476I accept your concession
>>77422454That's ridiculous. Keto has fried your brain. A Mediterranean balanced diet has been proven to work. There are hundreds of papers and studies for over 70 years
>>77422173Did you know?If you ate 1 kg of Titanium, you'd never be able to digest Titanium, but you'd weigh 1 kg more than before you ate Titanium?SOMETHING has to generate "fat," and another fun fact for you - it's NOT Titanium.
>>77422490So no body, huh?>I accept your concessionI concede you're a faggot that looks like shit.>>77422498The Mediterranean diet is a meaningless buzzword. And carbs rotting people's teeth is basically established fact that even a 12-year-old child has enough of a brain to understand.>There are hundreds of papers and studies for over 70 yearsAnd all of them are garbage.What are you gonna bring up next? The Blue Zones hoax?
>>77422506Did you know if you shit in your pants you will weigh the same as before you shit in your pants?
>>77422523Med diet is a broad dietary pattern, not a single menu. Saying it's a buzzword is like saying 'strength training' is meaningless because there are lots of different exercises
>>77422530It's a vague bullshit term invented to promote plant-based diets with minimal amounts of meat onto the population.I'm literally from one of the many Mediterranean countries, and it's always been a stupid meme.
>>77422454>Without modern dental hygiene technology (toothbrushes, toothpaste, dental cleanings) your carb-heavy "balanced diet" would've rotten half of your teeth before age 30.This is the smoking gun for me.
>>77422536The concept came largely from mid-20th century epidemiological research comparing dietary patterns in different populations, especially after the Seven Countries Study. Researchers observed that some Mediterranean populations tended to eat more olive oil, legumes, vegetables, and less red meat than wealthier Western countries at the time. Whether those studies had limitations is a separate question.Calling it a single 'Mediterranean diet' is definitely misleading. There are dozens of traditional Mediterranean cuisines, many of which eat plenty of meat, cheese, fish, and eggs. It's more of a research label than a historical diet.The Mediterranean has 20+ countries. Pretending they all ate one diet is like talking about 'the American diet' as if Alaska, Louisiana, and California all eat the same thing.
>>77422489Why are you angry? Is that a lil Aussie shepherd?
>>77422543So it's a vague bullshit term.
>>77422562It's a term describing several related dietary patterns. Vague but not meaningless. Kinda like strength training.
>>77422539Yeah, it's really a no-brainer.The mainstream has never had enough balls to tell the people to severely limit their consumption of carbs & sugar.Even though it's already been proven for 70–80 years that carbs & sugar will literally rot your teeth out of your fucking skull.They keep tiptoeing around the obvious conclusion and pretending "more research is needed" for something so obvious a 12-year-old child could see it.How else are you gonna sell sodas, energy drinks, bread, grains, cookies, pasta, rice, cake, potato chips and a zillion other carb-heavy crap if people know it's poison?All of these products are multiple times the market size of the entire meat industry alone and with much wider profit margins.
>>77422585Eating refined carbs and sugars are not the same as eating a baked potatoe.
>>77422590It's only a difference of degree. Same outcome, different timeframe.The teenage kid drinking energy drinks, sodas and potato chips while gaming will rot his teeth before 20.The peasant that eats bread and potatoes will rot his teeth in his late 20s, before 30.That's assuming if there were no modern dental hygiene technology (toothbrush, toothpaste, floss, etc), like I said before.I'm not telling you to not eat potatoes but at least be mindful all carbs are all the same crap.They can be useful for survival purposes or to lower the cost of a diet, but they're not our natural, species-appropriate food.
>>77422539The Egyptians and Scandinavians both independently arrived at toothbrushing and soap before The Bronze Age. Check the mummies and barrows. Not our fault you were swinging from trees while we composed poetry and circumnavigated the globe.
>>77422454>>77422467>t. ketoschizo
>>77422543This fucking ketoschizo is truly retarded.The Mediterranean geographic area and its groupings of peoples are far more similar to each other than your ridiculous example of Alaska, Louisiana and California, which are not geographically similar and therefore each have different climates, topologies, flora and fauna, human cultures and, of course, cuisine.Countries are a recent phenomenon, do that number is meaningless. Southern Italian, Greek, Turkish, Middle Eastern and North African diets are far more similar than you're claiming and they are full of veggies and grains. Yes, traditionally there were small amounts of meat when available, as well as dairy and eggs which were a bit more readily available.You are truly a fucking faggot and there are many of us who wish you would stop shitting up every thread that comes along with your ketoschizo propaganda.
>>77422736You seem a bit confused but it happens to me too when talking shit to multiple random people
>>77422610>They can be useful for survival purposes or to lower the cost of a diet, but they're not our natural, species-appropriate food.Except people who eat more whole grains live longer and are generally more healthy than those who don't. People who avoid carbs and eat exclusively meat tend to not do so well. None of this "species appropriate food" means anything. That is just emotional language. We could find alien food on another planet and it could be the most healthy thing ever for us. Health outcomes are literally the only thing that matters.
>>77422764>Except people who eat more whole grains live longer and are generally more healthy than those who don't.No, they don't. Don't spout your personal opinions as if they were facts.>None of this "species appropriate food" means anything. That is just emotional language.No, it isn't. It's the exact opposite. All animals have a natural diet that is dictated on to them by their biology and their digestive system.It's pretty obvious which our optimal, species appropriate diet is by just comparing our digestive system to that of other mammals.It just so happens that the very obvious conclusion of this is also very hurtful to your fragile feelings.
>>77422778>comparing our digestive system to that of other mammalsSomeone post that horse vs human comparison please
If I lose the love handles and they’re the last to go, will they be the first thing to come back if I gain some fat again?
>>77422736I think you’re the schizophrenic one based on all this word salad, guy. Right down to promoting disproven studies, lol
>>77422029it doesnt even start to go away until i hit 15% and lower. my body wasn't built to be at a high bf % and i simply accept that
>>77422805Sorry anon, hate to be the bearer of bad news...
>>77422811>disproven studiesThat would be you ketoschizo.You gonna post your meaningless graphs and links next?
>>77422176Does the body store fat in a different order than it burns it? Bc if not this doesn't seem right as a general rule. If so, why/how?t. retard who got too fat too fast during bulk and love handles (2nd) came after gut (1st)
>>77422843Yes, ‘Tis I, the ketoschizo. Preempted once again by your vast and brilliant mind. Oh shew mercy and benevolence unto me your lordship, you learn-ed man of letters
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>>77422029you lose fat in the same order you gain it
I started a bulk months ago and my belly got huge and bloated. Even my mother is complaining about it. Will I have eternal love handles like that too?
>>77422896*reverse order
All men should have sexy squishy love handles
>>77422409Insulin is extremely anabolic. This board is dead.
If you’re around 17-18% bf and the love handles aren’t going away and you’re not a poorfag just bite the bullet and get CoolSculpting to finish the job.
>>77423065It doesn't even look that different? Not worth it buddy
>>77423114I had them at 65kg 174cmBut I also had almost no actual muscle because I tried cutting from skinnyfat and cut way too hard fucking up whatever gains I couldve made at the gym. Decided to lean bulk carefully to ~85 to 90kg and cut properly from then and hopefully ill at least add to my frame and lats to balance out the handlesAt 77kg atm and I can start to clearly see my lovehandles getting balanced out by muscle, it was a lot worse looking when I was 77kg skinnyfatIm assuming you also don't have much muscle and too much fat relative to your weightbut If you're lean and still have handles then gg
>88 replies>ctrl + f: adrenergic>0 resultsThis whole website's IQ is literally like 30 points lower than it was 10 years agoWhere did everyone go?Who are all of you dumbass fucks?
>>77422877>Does the body store fat in a different order than it burns it? Theres no "order">Bc if not this doesn't seem right as a general ruleCan you explain your reasoning as to why this doesn't seem right? Do you know why fat is stored? Do you know why its burned?
>>77423527Post body
>>77422029That's the first place that starts to go in my case, last is the chest… wanna swap with me?
>>77423715Fat chest at least makes you look like you lift
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>>77423731>roidgutuh-oh
