>Boxing and kickboxing beat jiu jitsu>wrestling more often than not beats the striking sports because of the single and double leg takedowns being the bread and butter>wrestling plus jiu jitsu beats the strikers 7 to 8 times out of 10
>>77462785>jiu jitsuGreat. Another word I need to be mindful of, like karaoke. Is jutsu really too difficult to pronounce for whiteoids?
this board is full of jeets who dont even exercise, you should post this on /xs/ or even /sp/ instead
>>77462785>wrestling plus jiu jitsu beats the strikers 7 to 8 times out of 10True but those 8 times are boring decisions whit minimal damage and when the striker wins is via brutal career ending knock out.
Mma beats every other martial art
>>77462851MMA is redundant without a striking + grappling base/foundation
>closes the distance, throws you to the ground leaving you wide open and stomps him in the nuts
>>77462851MMA is just the sport that mixes a bunch of martial arts. Saying MMA beats martial arts is like saying football beats running and throwing. MMA gyms are usually jokes by the way.
Boxing doesn't beat anything
>>77462785Nah, I've sent pure strikers to the ground before and it was easy as fuck. I do both Kickboxing/Muay Thai + Jiu-jitsu, but I mostly do MMA nowadays. Anyways, pure strikers are jobbers against a grappler>Jiu-jitsu doesn't know takedownsMay in your shitty gym.
>>77462812Congratulations, you're a fucking idiot who has absolutely no knowledge about the history of jujutsu, judo, and jiu jitsu. Please consider rear naked choking yourself.
Why are you guys so insistent and retarded on this topic? It’s simple and obvious if you’re not a literally delusional armchair fighter. > boxers win bare knuckle fights > wrestlers win cage fights > shooters win fights to the deathEverything else is literally a waste of time. Sure, jiu jitsu can beat a wrestler or a boxer on the street, but good luck with your kimura when a boxer has just broken your jaw and orbital bone or a wrestler has just slammed the back of your head onto pavement. Sure, combat sambo is a pretty good base for mma, but even professional sambo competitors don’t have the athleticism, aggression, or motor of even a mediocre wrestler at a mediocre college program. Sure, you’re probably fucked if you fight mma but but you’re even more fucked if you can’t wrestle. Boxing, wrestling, and shooting are just objectively the supreme arts for combat. It’s always been that way. It will always be that way.
>>77464202Fuck off LARPing faggot. You literally haven’t done shit and it’s transparently obvious. I bet you’re the same geek that chimped out in defense of jew jitsu in the last thread. I don’t know why you can’t accept that bjj is a faggy useless “art” but you have to just accept it and move on, and stop LARPing about all the crazy bad ass Dolph Lundgren street fights you’ve been in.
>>77464283But what happens when someone brings a Tomahawk land attack missile to the mean streets? I bet you'll feel like a real doofus when you realise that the best martial art is combined-arms air warfare with the Aegis combat system.The fact is that you'll never get into a street fight, and if you are genuinely in danger then you'll always be best with the most violent and effective weapon available. Train martial arts because they're fun and help you stay active, not because there's any benefit in benchracing the difference between MY STYLE (lethal hidden knowledge of the ancients) and YOUR STYLE (bullshit mcdojo that never trains knee punches or single neck takedowns).
im convinced all these retarded mma bait discussions are a marketing team trying to drum up interest in ufcits so asinine and repetitive yet it reaches bump limit without fail. every single time.good morning saars
>>77464413Nah, there's genuinely a faggot itt that believes MMA is pretty much useless. He shows up every time MMA or BJJ are mentioned.
>>77464306>*teleports behind you*>*brazilian muay jitsus your head off*> “heh nothin personnel kid”
>>77462785It's too easy to shell up and force a clinchYou aren't Tyson or foreman and even if you were a wrestler still fucks them up
>>77464413>>77464413Shut the fuck upNo one cares about bing wahoo and your 40 inch biceps martial arts is based conversation
>>77466045>thread reaching page 10>bump again with extremely low effort baitGood morning sir
>>77466061Well you just bumped it again...
>>77466061And I bump again sir
>>77462785>This beats that this is 8/10 that is 10/10
>>77466875Nut shot is very hard to land. Harder than a high kick. It only works for women that are not taken seriously, so they can kick a man in the balls while his guard is dropped.
>>77466954Uhhhhm ok lol
>>77462785Hahahahaha. Tell me you've never been in a real fight without telling me. In the UFC sure that's true. In real life no, the moment you try to take me down im going to start kneeing you in the head repeatedly not caring if both your arms are touching the ground. And the moment youre down im going to start soccer kicking your head through the floor. There are rules in the UFC to make it even, real life there is no such thing. Only the victor and the loser
>>77462785mma math never works outmasvidal vs askrenthe wrestler got ktfomuay thai > boxingjudo > wrestlingwrestling > bjjif you grappled in high school and trained muay thai you're good to go
>>77467137thisin a real fight I'm gouging eyeballs, groin strikes, hits to back of head, bitingyou try to take me down and I will knee your skull and curb stomp you
If I was taking a brand new kid and it was my job to make him a successful MMA fighter, he would primarily box and wrestleBoxing with emphasis on covering distance, head movement, and good punch fluency in the pocketWrestling with a focus on entries from punches, good clinch wrestling, trips and throws. On the ground make him a really strong scrambler, and focus on top control and gnpI'm basically describing Fedor, there's a video where his coach literally says he just boxes and wrestlesMMA fighters don't need to be kicking like muay thai fighters, and they don't need to be putting on a gi and rolling. Once a fighter is seasoned he can and should add more, pick up interesting tricks and skills, but the fundamental is throwing fists and takedowns to gnp
>>77467137>>77467154You fags always forget one important thing..... weight difference. A 70kg 175cm manlet needs boxing/muay thai if he wants to survive against a bigger man. But a 95kg+ 185cm+ man can easily use judo/jiu jitsu to submit the twink and proceed to drill a new bussy for him. At similar weight, you need to be more specialized in stand up and takedown/submission defense. But, when a heavyweight faces a lightweight, he can easily use judo and bjj to gain an advantage. For example: I train MMA and there are a few guys at my gym that are preparing for MMA tournaments. One guy is 105kgs and I am much faster than him on stand up, but his slower punches rattle me, even when he throws them at like 80% strength. Still, the moment he throws me on the ground or even clinches, I'm usually left to just defend/survive for the duration of the fight and possibly, look for an exit out of the ground, but I end up fatigued once I'm back on my feet. This is completely mitigated once a shorter and much lighter guy comes up, as I can easily dictate the distance and type of fight we can have. If I want to box, we box. I want to throw legs? I see the fear in their eyes, even though I do extremely light contact when connecting with my legs. I wanna roll? We roll, but the moment I want to stand up, we stand up. Reason? He's too weak to hold me down. Now, fighting guys in my own weight and height range is very fun, and I feel like there is an element of chess for that entire 5 minute session.
>>77467252I should also add: Whenever doing sparring with guys that are not afraid of hitting or potentially knocking me out during the session, I've noticed that a very fast hand speed, combined with a very fast combo speed can very easily inflict a lot of damage to a much bigger opponent. It's all in the management of distance and preparation to either dodge or parry a strike and continue with either another quick hand or a leg kick to either the thigh, plexus, or head. >>77467163This might sound crazy, but, if you were training a kid into becoming an ultimate fighter, ideally you would have him do taekwondo, for the stance and leg coordination, then continue with karate for a little while, to get the fundamental speed/technique drilled in. Then, you proceed with wrestling. But only allow the kid to do boxing and muay thai if he is willing to learn how to dance. With this setup, he'll quickly excel at boxing and muay thai. Then, basically maintain this and you've got the Ultimate Fighting Champion on your hands.
>>77462785I'm about to get my black belt in BJJ. Thoughts?
>>77467137>>77467154in a real fight, both of you faggots are going to panic and cry, scream, and flail your arms and legs as the guy on top caves your head in. fucking faggot larpers pretending you know how to fight anything but your cum stained body pillow
>>77467334>oh my god someone indicated they wouldnt adhere to competition rules in a street fight>I could never win like that so I better call them faggots in the hopes of shaming them into fighting like a gimp
>>77467321my boyfriend called you a faggot
>>77467341That's a fair assessment. But contrary to popular belief I'm straight and trying to date a nerdy Asian girl
>>77462785These rules apply to mostly professional MMA. Most people weren't even talking about wrestling being superior until the dagastanis (Khabib/Islam) started dominating the UFC with their style. In reality almost every "street fight" is just 2 drunk guys at a bar throwing haymakers at each other lol. And even if we're talking about sober guys who train MMA, there's a difference between analyzing styles of top 0.01% talent in the world and amateurs who spar on the side.
>>77467340Nobody's saying you won't be a shithead if you tried to fight. They're saying you wouldn't be good at it and being willing to knee a downed opponent isn't going to make much of a difference.
>>77467348>trying to date a nerdy Asian girlWowAre you also balding and a collector of funko pops?
>>77467380No, but I'm up to date on One Piece
i can beat you upno i can beat you upno i can beat you upGrow up guys.
>>77467395>beats you up
>>77467395I can rape you.
>>77462785Still having this conversation huh?
>>77467373You're right, I'd just pull out a knife and stab you and not deal with any sort of sporting crap.
>>77467796>dis ninja out here walking around with a sword in broad daylightEnjoy prison, people will be showing you their sword in the shower ;^)
>>77467811>pulls out a gun and shoots the knife off your hand forcing you into hand to hand combat
>>77467252>You fags always forget one important thing..... weight differenceNot really important in a real fight.
>>77468394Casually smacks you around with my belly
Wrestling is actually the only thing you need. It allows you to entirely control an opponent, prevent them from punching you or striking you effectively, prevent them from grappling with you or dragging you to the ground, and if you want to you can dump someone on their head to Fatality them.
>>77467334>>77467373Lol, probably one of the fag's ive soccer kicked. Get checked in ho
>>77462785>>wrestling more often than not beats the striking sports because of the single and double leg takedowns being the bread and butterBecause of the retarded rules you retard. >NO YOU CAN'T JUST KNEE THEM WHILE THEIR HANDS ARE DOWN BRO! Faggot
>>77467321Been there done that, not worth it
>>77468394>I have no idea what a fight isThatnks for confirming this.
>>77468424>>77468598A real fight is someone walking up behind you and putting a knife in your back. It doesn't matter how heavy you are. Fights aren't duels.
>>77468673>a real fight is>made up scenario of a not real fightYeah, I could pull out a rocket launcher from my trunk and call it a win. We're talking specifically, a fight where another guy "squares up" at you on a parking lot, at a mall, in front of your wife, etc. Not every fight results in a knife or a gun being pulled out. What'll you do if the other guy does not draw a gun or a knife? Shoot him anyways? And risk decades in prison, having a new bussy sculpted by your black cellmate? Get a grip on reality. Not everyone here lives in a black hood or London.
>>77468678That's called a brawl.
combat sports are genuinely just for gypsys. the one exception is boxing which is mainstream enough to also get some interest from normal people, but it is still also very much for gypsys
>>77468678>t.
>>77467321how long did it take for the guy to cum?
>>77467395I'd piece you up
my dad can beat up your dad
>>77468681KekAlright, I call it quits. You win. There is simply no way to talk to a chronically online, obese, muttified, dishonest, /fit/fag.
>>77468741>uses his obese body to dominate the fight
>>77468752>obeseThere's 105kg guys out there that look like JCVD when they take their shirts off. 100kg+ does not mean Snorlax build.
>>77465123Have you considered that you are the only delusional retard that thinks BJJ is a superpower? You’re the pot calling the kettle black.
>>77467163unc hasnt watched mma in 15 years lmfaofedor had terrible "boxing." its not a boxing style a all and he got fucked up by a fat lhw (maldanaldo) who had very low level boxing experience. theres also a video of him getting destroyed by dennis lebedev in sparring who is like 178 lbs lmfao.people confuse throwing hands with boxing but its very much different. fedor is the worst example you could use for it. theres a lot better examples even from that era where almost everyone had terrible boxing.when he gets dropped by a very fat maldanaldo hes doing the same retarded shit he was always doing, but against a guy with a modicum of experience so it didnt work and got him fucked up. trying to do a leaping left hook with no set up early in the fight without threatening anything at all against a guy who was waiting to counter.
>>77468828>thinks BJJ is a superpowerNever claimed that and I've been in a few of these threads by now. In the last thread the claim that martial arts suck went from BJJ to MMA as a whole. And then it turned into: "Oh, but most MMA gyms suck anyways, so MMA is not gonna help you out." Like... man.... what is the problem with you?
>>77468872>casually compares 2016 Fedor with 2003 Fedor
>>77468879compare any part of his career you want, he didnt utilize boxing techniques at all. when have you ever seen fedor throw a 1-2? better yet, when have you ever seen him throw a fuckin jab? like once? he might have occasionally trained with boxers but his style is sambo and kickboxing. iirc he trained with hoost with like every camp he had to fight a striker its not even slightly rooted in boxing at a basic level.
>>77468826>t. Snorlax build
>>77468875> I've been in a few of these threads by nowOh, we’ve all noticed. That’s why your shtick is so ironic.
>>77468875Hey buddy want to see my super power?>kicks you in the nuts
>>77468996>we’ve all noticedWho's we? It's juat you and a few anon that are arguing against your retarded claims that MMA does not work in the street.
>>77469197Me n ur mum when we fug
>>77462785muay thai beats all>>77462816its disappointing really
>>77462785>watching some bar fight and someone gets hit with a 360 kick
>>77470574Lethwei beats muay thai
>>77462785>>Boxing and kickboxing beat jiu jitsuIt really depends on whether the jiu jitsu guy can get a takedown before he gets heemedWe famously suck at standup wrestling compared to actual wrestlers, judokas etc, I won't dispute that, but in fairness so do boxers and kickboxers. I think if you just launch yourself at their legs, very few of them would be able to stuff it, and once it's on the ground they can't really do anything other than pray that you give them an opening to stand up
>>77462785>Pulls out gun>Finishes workout
There are literal no holds barred fights called King of the Streets where stuff like biting or eye gouging is allowed. Strikers dominate there, and when they end up grappling, it's just to get a dominant position, then they ground and pound/eye gouge. BJJ memery completely disproven, and judo "just throw them headfirst into pavement" happened in 0 bouts. They get taken down on pavement multiple times over a fight and it's never a fight stopper.
>>77469197Ok keep coping retard. You got dog piled in the last thread but we can just pretend that never happened.
>>77471066You’re wasting your breath. These people are in a cult and they’ll never accept it. Every so often they’ll dig up a video of a black belt choking out some fat old drunk homeless man and point to it as exhibit a for their case. It’s a sport organized around cognitive dissonance for former nerds and losers.
>>77471158Do you think a strictly weightlifting, roidtranny will have an easy time fighting an mma practitioner?
>>77471066You mean the one where the fighters couldn't hack it in any real promotion and fight with such stunning qualifications as "claims to have won 10 street fights"?It's fucking Street Beefs for self-proclaimed alpha-males
>>77470828>side step so you miss Lol whoops that didnt work
They had to change the rules and layout a lot to nerf grappling and throwing in general.It is what it is though. Every sport will favor something. Conditions of every fight and brawl will be different, and martial arts can be good, but they can't really capture that.
>>77467321>black belt in blow job jutsuyou wear it around your neck or around your forehead?
>>77471066>There are literal no holds barred fights called King of the StreetsEvery single one of those I have seen is some mid fighting a homeless person.
>>77472090I just stick it up my opponets butt as a sign of dominance
>>77471520I think that martial arts aren’t the lethality hack people who watched too many UFC fights want to believe they are.
>>77473801So what is? How do you put up a fight when a guy starts throwing hands at a bar and he's clearly more skilled than you and can clearly take it on the chin? You'll what? Scare him off with your roid gut?
>>77471520If you are a good martial artist then you also would be good at the strength aspect of martial arts.
>>77474632>scared of a roider who has 1shot capabilities>ah roiders aren't athletic>ah roiders can't translate strength to power Strength is only a tool to allow you to expand your arsenal and also be able to limit your opponent's ability to damage you and limit the tools they have(too strong vs too weak for something to work).A real samurai knows the difference being negligible enough means pure skill is the most important, you never want to be worse but being weaker is only bad if you are lazy and weak.
