What were some of the most /fit/ ancient civilizations and how can we use their teachings to increase our own fitness? I'll pick an easy one, Sparta.
You guys aren’t gonna want to hear it but ancient jeets were something elseI’m talking Sparta level
>>77474201The Persians were contemporary and had similar martial and fitness traditions of similar age: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pahlevani_and_zoorkhaneh_ritualsThe Turcic-Mongols seemed very /fit/ as most nomadic and equestrian pastoral cultures needed to be, with strong emphasis on wrestling (the Scythians did this as well)The Greeks and Persians documented their regimen the most. The Greeks especially so: https://www.greecehighdefinition.com/blog/2025/6/12/greek-fitness-regimes-exercises-and-health-tips-from-antiquity
>>77474201>SpartaGreat at /fit/ing Athens' cock in its mouthCandidate for the most overrated civilization ever
>>77474212Agreed, the pan-Indo-European tradition was based. The jeets lost their edge when they stopped eating a lot of red meat. The south indians have some really interesting martial traditions, karlakattai (club swinging of various forms with lots of crossbody stuff) and kalaripayattu (sword, shield, and whip sword stuff). But when you watch these dudes today at Indian akharas moving giant stone rings around their neck or doing fuck off huge club swings, it's hard to be impressed because of the pot bellies - the diet really is suboptimal.
>>77474217This>knelt to effeminate Persian foreigners>continuously cucked by Athenian boylovers>buckbroken by Thebes>absolutely BTFO by MacedonSparta was a meme.
>>77474201What an awful sculpture. Greece once again proving they are not the heirs to their ancient culture.
>>77474201Roman legionaries
>>77474330>>77474217Found the Persians
>>77474201Turco-mongols or any steppe nomad society for that matter. Pastoralism coupled with equestrianism AND the fact that the steppes are extremely unforgiving makes for some deadly /fit/ warriors, which is why nomadic armies could smash through foes much bigger than them. Plus shitton of wrestling, and daily life was exercise itself. Also extreme emphasis on nose to tail eating.
>>77474212>>77474219Sorry, from where are you getting this info?Not saying it's impossible, but i'm highly skeptical
>>77474955It's cope, full elaboration below>>77474219>indo-europeans>indianpick one.Yamnaya and derived cultures were the caucasian horse riding warriors who crushed native indians and left some admixture before leaving and the result peoples intermixing with southern indians, and the culture shock was so high that they retained some mythology in the rigvedas, and they were told so many times to not touch their invaders' livestock that they still worship and refuse to slaughter cows to this very day like the cucks they are.Mainly all european peoples descend from indoeuropean tribes (as I said, yamnaya, corded ware, bell beaker culture, globular amphora etc...) and we carry their genetic heritage, mythology and values, saying jeets were indoeuropean is the same as saying south americans are spaniards or europeans, ridiculous.For anyone interested "Survive the Jive" has interesting videos about it, more yt channels: "Dan Davis History", "Asha Logos" (some videos were pulled out of youtube because you aren't allowed to say shit, find them on odysee or rumble), "Jonas Kilker"(His series about proto-indo-european migrations are golden).I would recommend books but these channels already do that so if you watch their videos you will eventually find some.
>>77474972Error: Comment too long, need to continue it separatedly instead of making fun of jeets aswell as giving actual advice>>77474201To OP I will say 2 things:First is look at what they ate, they ate plenty of carbs, protein, and saturated fats.Fresh milk and plenty of lactic products but mainly fresh cow's milk, meat cuts that aren't only intramuscular, they had to benefit from the whole body, they ate organs and bone broths, gelatine made from bones, fresh mature delicious fruit. You can look up what our ancestors ate and what are we prepared to consume and if you want to excel a little bit more just read Ray Peat's work and try to understand methabolic flexibility, you will basically have hypertrophy from doing virtually nothing, just lift and exercise and eat more to have energy to do so. Since I live in southern europe I eat what's aviable and what's good quality to me, olive oil, fresh milk, some dishes that are stews made from beef tripe and blood sausages, meat gelatine etc. Just adapt to your genes and environment.>comment too long again(2/3)
>>77474980>>77474201Secondly: In regards to ancient civilizations: Especially greek city states, who worshiped beauty and glory above else, they were constantly killing each other and breeding strong superhumans, and they stop, every four years they stopped the conquest and slaughter to join in the pan-hellenic games and test their strenght and worship their ultimate god: the beauty of a strong and healthy body. The greek sculptures that depicted gods were sculpted using the bodies of the athletes as reference, nowadays it's the other way around. Big chests, strong arms, backs, shoulders just fall into the body more naturally instead of being giant and so protuberant like today's, strong legs but the emphasis was on a V shaped body.Compound exercises, training with weights and your own stability instead of isolation machines (which is great for bodybuilders but not for the average Alexandros, but it depends on your goals) and doing full body or push and pull exercices, you don't only exercise specific muscles, everything around it so your nervous system is used to work with motions instead of being like a modern bodybuilder that trans with isolation exercices and machines, then goes for a run and injuries his femur like a pussy, even golden age bodybuilders ran on the beach because that's healthy and good and your body should be prepared to move and be useful and not only big and strong.In conclusion, exercise as part of your life and the worship of beauty and glory. And read Ray Peat and learn from your ancestors and what they ate to stay alive, and what you need to eat to stay healthy and strong. For me avoiding PUFAs was glorious, everyday I wake up with Herculean strenght and want to lift entire buildings even though my muscles are sore from yesterday.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAvzSkcVT8Y
>>77474521Did you even read my post? I'm a Corinthpilled chad.
>>77474521300 Spartans were pedo homosexuals. Can’t deny that.
>>77475350>>77475502nta but it's so amusing how you are able to derail the whole thread only because of your stubbornness denying your shitskin genetic failure legacy.Another thread ruined by indian scum.
>>77474972South America is a geographic concept, imbecile.There are millions of ethnic Europeans there, not only Amerindians.
>>77475515>hurr u jeetI am White. Find a new meme, this shit is getting fatiguing.
>>77474201You people are useless retards.You have access to modern gyms, training, and nutrition and you're still pathetic dyels so you think now if you just eat barley and run around swinging a toy sword or what the fuck ever they did 4000 years ago you will finally get jacked and look like le epic Spartan warrior from that gay movie.
Ancient Persia had the zurkhaneh, which were used for calisthenics, weight training to the rhythm of drums.
>>77476185look at the guy holding them, I dont think those faggy clubs do much good
>>77474201I think the old Atlantians "North Giants", that or the old Natives of Florida. Dudes were like 7 feet tall, ate fresh fruit, tons of ancient corn, and shellfish. Plus the water of Florida is radioactive, which makes you grow crazy tall. The multi accounts of the spanish interactions with them was wild. Havent done much research into the North Giants yet. Alot of the indo european civilizations were not really fit, just short kings riding around on horses shooting their little sticks. Plus they ate loads of "red meat" and dairy which makes you short and retarded.
>>77474201I have often thought about how America can be like Sparta.I think it is not possible from the scale. With a large landmass naturally there is genuine diversity. Some people want fast life, some people want a simple life. Some people want the city, some want the country side. Some want more religion, some what less religion. On a large scale you end up getting natural diversity.Sparta is only possible on a small scale - where it is so small that everyone is in the same military force, they go to the same churches, they eat the same food, they go to the same libraries.
>>77476328you have serious mental problems>>77476336another wannabe spartan warrior who will never even get off his ass and join the Army and learn actual warfare and combat skills
>>77476350Not at all, what are you talking about?
>>77474201Mongolthe worse the food the stronger the army*
>>77476151based, its fucking old at this pointi dont care about jeets either way, im tired of fucking hearing about them on here
>>77474215>The Greeks and Persians documented their regimen the mostUnfortunately, we have basically NO idea how their routines and schedules actually looked. Same for the medieval and early modern era. Everyone would like to know how many sets of discus Leonidas or King Arthur did, but we just don't know - best thing we have is the very rough outline of Boucicaut's training and some old Papyrii showing that ancient grapplers did drills or flow sparring.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papyrus_Oxyrhynchus_466https://willscommonplacebook.blogspot.com/2014/10/boucicauts-training-regime.htmlThat is more or less all we got from 4000 years of exercising. Which is super weird, considering physical exercise was HUGE before the modern age, bigger than even now.
>>77476336>I have often thought about how America can be like Sparta.Well, you could put all atheists to the death like they did back then. Would solve a LOT of problems. At least you got the cucking(wifesharing and gay part already down, that's something.
Scythians/Sarmatians/thread
>>77474201Ancient Chinese invented kettlebell training. Okay, there were others too but the Chinese actually have preserved training methods rather than folk tales like Milo of Croton. India invented formalized mace training which still is probably really good for athletes even if it isn't popular (trunk rotation is the base of athletic power). Spartans/Gladiators ate diets ketolards would claim turn you trans but yet were very strong. Advanced yoga techniques sometimes include somewhat acrobatic skills.Less statue pfp examples could be the Raramuri who pray by doing ultra-marathons, in flat sandals. They have a game similar to soccer but the goals are 100 miles away from each other. Even contemporary raramuri, poisoned by western diets, still keep up the running tradition while obese. You can find examples of abuelamaxxed women still doing the runs. I'd honestly consider them the fittest people of all time, at least at some point. When people jerk off about warfare they ignore the technological side that mostly determines the victor. These people meanwhile were working out to pray.
