There’s a trend where built fat (the best physique) is being replaced by fit muscular and it’s pissing me off.
>>77501952the dream is dead and the aeon awakens.no longer do we sleep the sound sleep of contentment.the age of alcohol is over and so the stark daylight of science carves out chiseled abs
>>77501952Because no one actually likes being fat and anyone who disagrees is just copingSince Ozempic made weight loss trivial, everybody who can get a prescription does so as soon as they can
>>77502296People don’t know what they want. In the past being fat was considered high class since they could afford to eat enough to get like that.Pretty soon things will flip again and thick will win.
>>77502314Back in the day being 260lbs was considered the sort of morbidly obese that 400+ is today.
>>77501952every big tall guy at my gym is built fat (me too)
>>77502314No. Influence was a lot easier when the only time people saw the "ideal" or astroturfed body image, was through paintings. With the internet, now that we've all seen the ideal body, there is NO TURNING BACK.
>>77502369What gym is that? I go to the ymca and i never see guys like that.
>>77502384The cope is real. Skinny is everywhere in America. It’s not special anymore.People will get tired of it and want thick.
>>77502394a crunch fitness in hockey country
Builtfat guys can’t get women anymore. Historically, builtfat guys were attractive IF they had some money and that’s because most women didn’t have money and were looking for a husband to eventually divorce rape. But nowadays, every woman who is remotely attractive can get a half decent job easily so they don’t want to need the builtfat husband so that guy gets no play anymore.
>>77502384she should gain 20lbs
OP thinks he’s built fat but he’s really just built with fat
>>77501952>built fat (the best physique) is being replaced by fit muscular and it’s pissing me off.it builtfat were actually the best physique, you'd be grateful, because women would be clamoring for your fat ass in the vacuum created by GLP-1 agonists and "lean is law" trends
>>77501952Because steroids are easier to get than ever and Ret exists now which means nobody has to be fat as long as they don't care about pharmaceuticals. Big Boy doesn't need self-control anymore, and he doesn't need to cope that >actually he might be an obese fat nasty greasy bastard but like he's totally stronger than you so like it totally doesn't matter actually now he can look just as good as anybody else that actually cares about their health and looks.
>>77501952Because thanks to science and research people realized that traditional bulking is fucking retarded, so most people either "maingain" or do slight calorie surplus.At this point, the only ones doing dirty bulks are the mentally challenged people that are stuck in the past and fatties with 0 self control that think that eating 3500 calories a day when their maintenance is 2500 will give them massive gains (they just want to eat pizza every day)
>>77501952Nfl football , rugby , heavyweight combat sports, powerlifting and off season bodybuilding still has it
>>77502398CopeI see obese bitches where i live in america.
>>77502398Bro WHERE. Even normal weight people in my area are in anomaly. The people that aren't fat or split into normal weight and meth skinny so even FEWER are healthy looking, but every single person that I know that talks about being on ozempig is shockingly still fat.
>>77502495i eat 3500 clean calories a day and i'm barely gaining weight when i got up to 160 i had to eat 4-6k calories a day but i wasn't eating clean then so the inflammation bothered me so much that i quit bulking
>>77501952Assuming you are blasting the same shit, being builtfat is unhealthier simply because you carry more weight.
>>77502882not truepeople that are slightly overweight going into old age have the best longevityi can easily see why, it's not enough for arteries to clog given you're otherwise healthy, so you just get the benefit of a little extra padding and resources when your body is going through it at the slightly overweight builtfat level i don't think cytokine storm would factor in either
>>77502885Builtfat strongman types are on heavy roids and also fat as fuck. It fucks their hearts hardCannot really compare them to slightly chubby people that do live longer
>>77501952Being fat does you no favors and is harmful. Some blubber is okay if you are outdoorsy type for that reserve of energy. >>77502495>Because thanks to science and research people realized that traditional bulking is fucking retardedTradition bulking was always made for roiders by roiders. Millions of natties fell for that shit because they didnt know any better and they turned into fat powershitters because of it.
>>77501952Everyone who told you that being fat looks good hopped on glutides as soon as they've heard about it.
i'm aiming for my natty builtfat peak not for something gay like looks but for strength and survivability p sure my builtfat friend is on roids tho given how his voice has dropped and how quickly he built up
>>77501952We have abandoned the mistaken idea of "brah i lift for functional strength bearmode haha wrestle bear on the mountain dude dirty bulking gomad lift truck dude"Now people have finally realized that eating 2000kcal over tdee to fuel the massive demand 25 squat reps/week impose on you is retarded
>>77502927Fat doesn't make you stronger or more functional, dummy. Fat is metabolically active and makes you unhealthy. "Strength and survivability" is just bodybuilding with less focus on V taper/bis and more focus on core/legs/back.
>>77502956read a book subcutaneous fat is less metabolically active and is protective and insulativevisceral fat is what's bad but please do go on like a fucking retard for my amusement
>>77501952You probably aren't getting much more built let's be honest
>>77502961But this is neglecting to account for the benefits of eating a lot all the time which results in you getting fat but is better than maintaining. You aren't simply healthier the less fat you have.
>>77502961Delulu. Subcutaneous fat releases cytokines and adipokines. By total count, it's the main source of those compared to visceral fat. By relative measure, visceral releases more, but that's only by relative.You don't need insulation. We have clothes. Fat isn't "protection", fat fighters get folded by liver/solar plexus shot same as lean ones. If fat was in any way protective, all shw boxers would be obese.
>>77502965You are simply healthier the less fat you have up until 10%bf for males.
>>77502979lmfao holy shit this level of retardation doesn't even deserve a response but you probably worked with ai for a while on it so here you go
>>77502982not familiar with longevity studies huhnot surprising from someone of your reading comprehension
>>77502398>Skinny is everywhere in Americalmaoooooooooo
>>77502984>>77502987This retard thinks "wearing clothes" is ai lmfao.Longevity studies using bf% show underweight people are unhealthy, and that 15-22%bf is best for longevity. A normie at 10%bf is underweight because a normie has no muscle mass. That skews BMI longevity studies a bit.
>durr they're taking ozempic!!ozempic is for actual fatties with no self control. Guys who lift heavy and are at 25% bodyfat are not taking that. They have the self control to get leaner if they wanted to. They don't want to. >>77502444>a virgin explains complex sexual dynamics
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>>77502624>>77502398>every single person that I know that talks about being on ozempig is shockingly still fat.Is this true? I thought these drugs made everyone thin
>>77501952Because life isn't a picture you look at for 3 seconds and think huhh huh built fat cool I wannbe that!!You have to actually stuff yourself 24/7 and live as a fatass 24/7 and all the other problems that come with those things People grew up
>>77503422>grew up doesn't sound like you did, chief the left isn't even that fat, that's like 25% which is barely out of the unhealthy range
Literally any dude advocating for the right is a gigantic cock craving faggot
>>77502314Again, no one actually likes being fat, and it's not because of beauty standards.No one enjoys getting winded walking up a flight of stairs. No one enjoys their knees hurting all the time. No one enjoys having trouble standing up from their bed in the morning. No one enjoys sleep apnea. No one enjoys always being sweaty. No one likes the rancid body odor. No one likes struggling to get up if they fall.People aren't fat because they enjoy it. They're fat because being lean is hard for them. As soon as a drug came out that made it easy to not be fat, no one is making the choice to stay fat
>>77503786>advocating forwhat's that mean here?you should be able to do what you want but right feels better to me and looks better to others. I'm not "advocating" for you to be forced to do that
>>77503327I've only seen people online that use ozympic and actually get skinny or underweight even. The rest get just overweight instead of being super obese and they just give up. Waaah it's too hard to make any more progress past that point, bizarrely though consider themselves a success story. They went from class two or three obese down to just overweight, then stay there. They also like to call themselves Fitness Experts because they lost any weight at all, it does not dawn on them at all that they didn't actually finish the job or learn any discipline.
>>77502296Roughly 20% bf here. Muscular underneath with capped delts big tris and a huge back so u less I take off my shirt I look jacked.Have access to all kinds of gear and tirz/reta, but fucking refuse to cut right now because I'd lose out on at least 2 months of gains going back to single digits. Haven't been lean in a couple years now so I've forgotten the feeling, but I remember preaching life starts sub 10% bf. Maybe it's true idk
>>77503802it's also because of beauty standards.
>>77503822>right feels betternah maybe if you eat dirty and have a lot of inflammation but having as much energy in the tank as the left feels great and you're more resilient to practically everything
>>77503802>No one enjoys getting winded walking up a flight of stairs. No one enjoys their knees hurting all the time. No one enjoys having trouble standing up from their bed in the morning. No one enjoys sleep apnea. No one enjoys always being sweaty. No one likes the rancid body odor. No one likes struggling to get up if they fall.the joke is that this faggot thinks the dude on the left deals with any of these things you can have 25%bf and have great cardio
>>77503841>the joke is that this faggot thinks the dude on the left deals with any of these thingsit's a lot more naive to assume someone with 25% bf has great cardio
still going strong among us 35+ boomers
>>77503860>it's a lot more naiveyou only think that because you don't know what peak fitness looks like
>>77503867you're retarded and i don't know how else to explain it to you.
>>77503875unlike you i've spent a considerable amount of time studying contact and combat sports and i can safely tell you that you're a faggot twink that wants to look at "cum gutters" and don't know a single thing about peak performance
>>77503879just say bear mode's your type man
just say you've given up, faggot
>>77503889i've given up on trying to convince fatasses on 4chan that people who are 25% bf are overwhelmingly in awful shape. stay obese and delusional.
>>77503895i have a bmi of 22 and abs but i'm working towards builtfat because it's optimal for most goals that aren't marathon running what you're trying to do is derail the thread with barely related bullshit builtfat people at 25% are not the average outofshape fatfuck, which you're forcing into the discussion because you're a twink faggot
>>77503895I am 100% positive you don't lift and have an absolutely awful physiqueAm I right?
>>77503904nevermind the fact that the person in OP's pic (mark bell) lost 130 lbs for the sake of his health. but let me guess, you weren't talking about him, nor were you talking about the general case of an average 25% bf person, you're just talking about some nebulous ideal your 'years of researching combat sports' has led you to believe in>>77504022wrong on both points, though i am getting close to 25% (i'll start cutting about 1 month from now)
>>77504039>the general case of an average 25% bf personwhich is not someone who is builtfat, thus unrelated tot he topic >lost 130 lbs for the sake of his healthif it were really for his health and not his vanity he would have left some fat on
>>77504050it's also naive to assume that someone who's builtfat has good cardio. they're actually up there as the prime examples of how musculature != good health. on the contrary most builtfat guys take a pathetic kind of ironic pride in doing no cardio; rugby props, NFL defensive linemen and SHW boxers are the exception, not the rule
>>77504068but that exception is the pinnacle of performance, durability, and longevity (given they did gymnastics) and is thus worth talking about and attaining most builtfats don't have great cardio but they could anyway not like cardio by itself does much for health and longevity, look at the studies, running/cycling shit is mostly just a cult
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>>77503004> y-you’re a virginOkay keep coping half wit
>>77502979Idk fat asses usually beat up skinny fags
>>77502296>>77503004>ozempicHoly shit uncs, get with the times. No one is taking boomer peptides like FUCKING OZEMPIC (LMAO) anymore. We're out here stacking retatrutide, eloralintide, and SGLT2 inhibitors.
>>77504332As opposed to cardio beating up fat fags
cardio never beat up anyone
>>77502899This. Dudes on roids can eat 5000 calories a day and metabolize it all to muscle. Don't do this as a natty. It is actually kind of sad that people were ignorant enough they looked at a roided dude and thought his advice would work for them.
up to 25% bf (the vast majority of which should be subcutaneous) is heathy and beneficial to the immune system the left in the op is probably more than that but not by a ton
>>77501952because the fat is killing them you retard
>>77505668if the op dropped 5-7% he'd be peak health, like the after here>>77503319
>>77503319plot twist, they're all fat and choppedhot women want the fight club build
>>77505693caring about what women think and want is gay way to out yourself, bud
>>77505693>being a participant of the mating ritual created by God/nature with women is gayyou're at the gym doing isolated movements for 2 hours and putting needles in your butt with your bros while i do 30 minutes of bodyweight and mating press your crush
>>77501952Mark Bell is the fucking man. I hate how he sushipilled me on the mayo menace though.
>>77505739no you don'tpost body
>>77501952Insecure Roid trannies
>>77503778You clearly didnt
>>77501952Glp1s
>>77506832Wow you're such an interesting person. Do you think you're the first person to comment this?
Not one poster in this thread lifts
>>77506914they knew their input was so valuable and their comment was so unique that they just posted it what is reading
>>77506831idk i'm pretty sure i did, i intimidate grown men just being in the same room (especially minorities), it's p great
>>77505681>oh shit bulking can work for putting on more muscle than I had previously thought>I would like all of the upsides with none of the detriments
>>77502495Shouldn't you only take in a calorie surplus that translates to the max amount of muscle you can gain a day, or slightly over that? No you are not gaining 500 calories worth of muscle every day. Retarded.
>>77507548Main characters don't read. They just grace us with their wisdom>>77507658You don't know what the max amount possible is
>>77503833>I'd lose out on 2 months of gainsThose two months of gains would be eclipsed by the gains you'd have starting from low insulin sensitivity at 10% bf post cut. Also two months of gains if you're as jacked as you say is probably what half a lb of muscle lol? Also at a real 20% bf you don't actually look fat with your shirt off so u might be higher than that
>>77503835Sure thing fatty
>>77501952Because of hypergamy every guy want to be a shredded pretty boy
>>77502384Perfection
>>77501991Amen brother. Onto a new epoch.
>>77505695>caring about what women think and want is gayIt's only gay if you don't fuck them, which you don't
>>77501952Left looks like he's going to have a coronary at any second. Right looks good.
>>77501952>the best physiqueno you're actual still fat AND with a lot of muscle which is a double whammy for yo' heart player
>>77504367It depends, as long as cardio dude weighs a decent amountvi guess
>>77501952Because anything above 15% bodyfat is just fat. Nobody can tell the difference between built fat and fat if you have a belly. It doesn't matter that there is muscle under that layer of blubber. Get lean or you are nothing more than another fatty.
>>77501952It isn't. It's all on youtube because everyone you are watching is getting older. Once you get to a certain age there is no "built fat", only fat with health problems or leaned out and more athletic. Built fat is fun but at some point you have to take not dying or feeling like a stiffened up piece of dehydrated wood seriously. Or you pay steep penalties.
>>77512820i doubt you look like you lift under 15%
>>77511205you're obviously a weak man who is ruled by women the only woman whose thoughts and wants you should care about is your wife's, and even then only so much
>>77512835>>77501952Bruh i live in america all i see is fat people LOL.
>>77512835oh hey it's the same guy posting the same literally retarded most obvious bullshit have fun aging like clint eastwood emaciated in a wheelchair i'll be going to space and doing shit like beating cancer in my 90s like will shatner
>>77502384NAME??????????????????????????????????????????????????
people got tired of too many obese slob powerlifters being ugly and taking up space
>>77501952If you think right is better you're straight, since you care about impressing womenIf you think left is better you're gay, since you care about impressing menI
I want opinions on this theory:if you're looksmaxxing you want to be trim cut AND muscular. Only power lifters for the sheer numbers care about having moderate to more fat while prioritizing muscle development. Cardio folks like swimmers and runners don't want that bulk. We've become fatter because of our diets and the way food is produced and manufactured in our first world society. There are less labor intensive jobs out there that are enough to build muscle and beef up on their own, but for those that do them they are subjected to the same pitfalls of unhealthy eating as the regular fat people and become too fat to be left pic. Ergo left is rarer because the people who would look like that today are mostly either fatter from not caring or skinner from specific training and goals.
>>77503802Yeah, just look at the Ozempic commercials. The weight loss claimed is nothing special, like "10 to 15% of bodyweight in 6 months with diet and exercise". Nigga, that's what anyone could do without peptides in 6 months! Main market for peptides is fatties who think any hunger pang or discomfort is "starvation" + thin women enabling their ED.
>>77502398what? I step out and everyone but me is fat. or seriously old, like 70+
>>77503327its a lot like gastric bypass: you wte SUPPOSED to feel less of a desire to overeat or eat certain foods, but if you have the routine baked in so deep into your brain or if you just genuinely went to eat you will try to eat like that anyway and just feel like shit afterwards. I could see the irony being disciplining yourself to take your GLP1 despite your body's fear of jabbing yourself with the agent that is discomforting you. Correct me if I'm wrong, they don't even reduce your stomach capacity, just the rate of digestion, correct? You feel fuller because you are still full simply because your body is breaking it down at half speed.
>>77503327It works primarily through suppressing hunger, doesn't it?So probably does nothing for people who are fat because they just habitually eat 24/7, regardless of the question if they feel any hunger or not.
>>77516190>Yeah, just look at the Ozempic commercials. The weight loss claimed is nothing special, like "10 to 15% of bodyweight in 6 months with diet and exercise". Nigga, that's what anyone could do without peptides in 6 monthsThat's what you can do with diet and exercise ALONE if you're remotely competent; the GoyLP-1s are a str8 muscle goblin scam.
>>77516190>>77516217it's literally a behavioral tool for your intake, it doesn't magically transform what you intake.
>>77516223This is why're they're really shit compared to say... a big stack of insulin sensitizers that let me eat a case of icecream bars a week and stay lean.
>>77514238When I am 15% or under, I get compliments and people tell me stuff like "wow you are so jacked." When I am like 25% people either say nothing or ask me shit like "do you still work out?"I have been lifting for 12 years.
>>77516184Looksmaxxing means athletic.No job on the planet will get you actually looksmaxxed. Manual labor is about coordination and endurance. Looksmaxxing has a certain level of classism built into it, hence you want the leisure-built athletic look.
>>77516029ashley tervort
>>77516234>No job on the planet will get you actually looksmaxxed.Fr fr biotech stonk researcher, cosmetic chemist, and dermatology researcher all can if you spend a decent bit of time looking up fibroblast physiology.
>>77501952guys realized that numbers don't matter once your old and that it's kinda neat to see your kids grow up.
>>77502495Slight caloric surplus IS a bulk, retard.
>>77516265you uh... you think left will die young?
>>77516234Have you ever carried plywood?
>>77516190Ozempic is Subway Jared all over again. Can't wait for the GLP1 spokesperson to get outed for something.
looksmaxxing is the gayest shit, caring what women think is the gayest, express ticket to being ruled by women there is it's established that carrying extra weight going into old age is the best for health and longevity 25% bf over a well muscled frame is what peak performance looks like but no there's some faggot posting from tel aviv itt trying to get you sad fucks to act like peter thiel's faggot fuckdoll and barely anyone other than me is calling them out y'all ngmi
>>77516517Peak performance is more like 10% bodyfat and moderately overweight, because that's my goal, and I'm around that, kek....and looksmaxxing is only gay if you get lip injections, fillers, or do weird troon surgeries/makeup. I do a bunch of stuff like chemical peels and PDT to keep my skin smooth enough to not need makeup, and completely skin-mog Taylor Swift. Foids be hella jelly, askin; me how to make their folds go away n' shit.
>>77503319you can tell from the pfp that they're all fat lmao
>>77516602you don't do any of that and you're dysgenic, but luckily you're a dyel faggot
>>77501991Actually really nigga shit. I kneel.
>>77516265>um actually being weak is the MATURE and RESPONSIBLE thing to do. That's why I'm so small
>>77515946You're painful to have around
>>77501952im builtfat
>>77516232>"do you still work out?"Nothing more painful than this question.
Men care too much about what women think. Women will tell you they hate fat guys. Men shouldn’t care though.
Perfectly balanced
>>77502384omfg I would make 10 babies with this vapid whoreso fucking stupid, she's gonna be alone for the rest of her life once she walls in a few years and wonder why she can't find any good men out there lmao
