Leanpill has to be the biggest scam on /fit/ right now. You can pretend that women are into skinny dudes all you want, but evolution proves you wrong, as heavier men had an evolutionary survival advantage and signaled their wealth and ability to care for others to women who were potential mates. Only men care about how skinny someone is. If you hear someone here pushing the leanpill, just understand that it is a dude who wants you to look more like a woman. Making yourself look more like a woman for the admiration of other men is gay. In fact, it might be the gayest thing that you can do other than having sex with a man, which I suspect is the case for many posters here on /fit/. Leanpill is also a way to destroy your gains as you will not be able to gain muscle efficiently on a cut. The other Anons here know this and they are trying to sabotage your gains as part of their zero-sum cult mentality of thinking that your loss is their gain. Finally, I will add that this all ties into the fitness industry trying to sell you protein supplements as a "health" product when they are literally selling you a waste byproduct of cheesemaking and marketing it to naive people as a way to make more money. Not only are you not gaining more muscle, but you are actually losing muscle by buying in to the leanpill marketing. Remember: squatz and oatz are all you really need to make it. Don't listen to the gains goblins who regularly post here. They are either poison pills or have bought into the marketing hype.
>>77513637My gf wants me to get so big and roided to the point I have a bubble gutI know of women who love fat guysI know of women who love skinny guysI know of women who think brad pitt's peak is ideal, i know of women who love hugh jackman, i know of women who stuff their cunts to kpop boysBe who you want, be authentic, be a good dude and the kind of woman who likes that type of person you are will be attracted to you.Of course, if you're a trend-chasing faggot you will reap what you sow.
All else equal, less body fat is more attractive on a man.
>>77513659>All else equaWhat is the "all else" in this equation? If you're referring to muscle size, wealth, intelligence, competency, leadership ability, and ability to reproduce, then you are incorrect, since all of these indirectly correlate with a higher body fat.
>>77513637I work a pretty public job, I see a lot of people come through, and a lot are on dates.A ton, the majority, around 70% at least of the hottest women are with fat guys, not even buff fat, just fat fat, it's astounding.
>>77513687Look around a costco or walmart and you will see a lot of happy couples that are of varying levels of attractiveness and obvious income levels.Its probably the best sample size because everyone needs food.
For 99.99% of human history, being heavy was considered the ideal of human attractiveness. The royalty were able to eat more food and thus gain body fat. The slaves on the other hand had to work 7 days a week and couldn't maintain a high body fat due to all of the physical labor.
>>77513685>wealth and intelligence correlate with being fair is well known that the poor and less educated portions of the population are disproportionately obese. Therefore, one may conclude that you are likely obese.
>>77513637Yes. Being big is where it's at.Pictures don't capture that though.And 'lean' dudes are all projecting male gaze onto women. Dudes like looking at pictures of well shaped things. Women like 'big.' Especially IRL where you get the 3d effect.That is why men like tiny petite women or big amazon women - as long as they are shaped well. Whereas women... do not like tiny well shaped men. They prefer big fat men as long as they're tall and large. So the lean faggots, very few of whom exercise at all, and none of whom have ever been 'big', are your typical online incels with zero firsthand knowledge, projecting their male brains onto women.>>77513659Can't say I've even found that to be the case. I got lean recently and notice zero difference
>>77513736>So the lean faggots, very few of whom exercise at all, and none of whom have ever been 'big', are your typical online incels with zero firsthand knowledge, projecting their male brains onto women.It goes even deeper than that. Most of these lean males are "femboys" who are trying to attract men by looking more like a woman. Same thing happens in lesbian relationships. The butch is the big one with the shaved head. It happens in prisons to with gay men where the masculine one aka the "bear" will dominate effeminate young skinny males. Most of the posters here are gay men.
The point of the lean pill is to get women right? If so, the lean pill definitely works but only if you can get the bad boy image right. For everyone else, the builtfat aristocratic build works better. The perfect middle ground is the guy from Pride and Prejudice.
>>77513754This is some next level cope lmao>uhhh actually majority of lean guys are le gay
if you want to be huge and strong, go for it. personally, i just feel and look better being lean. i much prefer having definition than size.although i don't rely on external validation, i have gotten significantly more complements on my body by women since i got lean.
apparently this is the thread for the closeted homosexual lard asses of /fit/
>>77513736lmao cope. women arent attracted to lardass cattle. they like lean men, even if not very muscular. fattening yourself up for the slaughter so that your owner can sell more meat is not going to get you pussy
>>77513637Literally the most retarded thing ever on 4chan
>>77513767You can call it cope if you want, but I call it biology.
damn no i feel demoralized for being skinny how do i get bigger
>>77513963lift heavyConsume lots of protein And GOCHADGallonOf Cream;HeavyA Day
>lift heavy and bulk>look and feel like shit>calisthenics and lean>look and feel great
>>77513990Calisthenics is just a fancy word for small and weak.
Lean by normie standards is whenever you can still see the outlines of your abs. For most fit people that's actually peak bulk, and that's also when I get the most compliments.
>>77513642Sounds like your gf want syou to be as unacttractive as it gets and then die. I wonder why she would want that.
>>77513685What an absolute retard you are - what do you think the meaning of "all else equal" is?Yes more muscle generally comes with more fat, but a man with 165 pounds of muscle/bone/organ mass and 15 pounds of fat in his body looks better than a man with the same 165 pounds and 30 of fatIf this was b8 then congrations
Nothing feels better than knowing you can lift your shift up to reveal a tight, flat stomach and visible abs, NOTHING. Lean is king.
>>77513991would rather be small and weaker and look good than be fat and strong. looking good to the world is 100x more beneficial than being fat but people able to lift more
>>77513798You sound stupid and like you have zero personal experience in the matter. Post body or shut up.>>77513774You are a boring person
>>77514424But you're neither, wrong, and don't know what you're talking about.
>>77515436im sorry to burst your bubble, but muscle definition and vascularity is aesthetically pleasing. no one cares about fatceps and mantits. but please, tell me the benefits of a big bench press in ordinary life and post body so we can see what a big strong man looks like
Even as a 5'7 manlet I'd never want to drop below 170. But the thing about being lean is its cheap since you don't need alot of food
>>77516561Irl most men are see.mn in clothes, being big will always mog in clothes, in person. Being lean only looks good on camera
>>77513687Tall fat white guys get the hottest women, with rich Asian guys coming in second though they are betabux
>>77516588im definitely mogged by your double chin and moobs. also, properly fitted/tailored clothes on leaner frames
>>77516561Retarded. I wasn't talking about any of that stuff. Stop commenting if you have no personal experience.
>>77516601show me your winter clothes where we can see your abs
>>77516724way to address any of the points raised>>77516734nice cope
>>77513637The leanpill is the only pill that's real. Doesn't mean you can't have muscle too, but you will be most appealing the most people when you're lean. Models, athletes, actors/actresses are all lean.>>77513642Right so either be super muscular, skinny, or a skinny kpop pretty boy. Notice how you never said "i know of women that are into flabby men"
>>77513717Your pic is big AND lean.
>>77516734People will notice high bodyfat from your round face. You don't of course realise this, you're so accustomed to seeing your fat bloated mug on the mirror.
>>77513637The only thing that matters is money, homie. If you have stability and you’re not fat, well, you still get godawful dating choicesIm 150 and 6ft tall. Im pretty lean, and I think im just better off dying alone than wasting my time chasing women
>>77513637No matter what 99% of people try to do it will be bad because they are stupid
>>77516561If you never even came close to putting on too much fat and don't know the thresholds then you are most likely not building enough muscle compared to what you could be.
>>77516601>excuses for not being more filled outJust gain the muscle then you can be lean after that. As long as you aren't too lean you can go back to gaining weight drinking water and doing 5 good sets in a workout lol.
>>77513637>>77513642Lean is king
>>77516588>big will always mog in clothesSorry bigbro, why do you think models male & female are lean or even skinny?Lean always mogs, irl and on camera, obv tall and lean is just magic
>>77516745>way to address any of the points raisedPoints raised? Like babbling about 'double chins'?fucking idiot>>77516755No they're not. Athletes, football players etc are often not particularly lean.
>>77516891Why are you on this site? You talk like a fucking moron. Consider speaking in normal English instead of retard. Anyways no. I am fairly lean and muscular and people IRL are much more impressed by the big strongfat guys.
>>77516928sure i'll reiterate them. a lean body looks far better without clothes than one with high bf%. muscle definition and vascularity carries more importance from an aesthetic point of view than just size of the muscle (i.e. a well defined muscle is nicer to look at than a larger one thats covered in fat). i also make the claim that leaner bodies look better in properly fitted/tailored clothing.i also make the claim that in day-to-day life, i.e. outside of the gym, being able to lift heavy carries little benefit (which is usually the drawback of being lean) so i don't see the advantage of sacrificing aesthetic qualities for something with a low ROI
>>77516943Lean just looks small in clothes. That's it. Big looks big in clothes. Even if you're fat.The ONLY place lean is impressive is in carefully taken photos. Strength is very useful IRL, anyone who has gotten strong realizes this.
>>77516943This is correct. An actor getting "ripped" for an action role primarily involves getting really lean first and foremost. Brad Pitt probably only weighed 160-170 for Troy and that was the role he put on the most mass for.
>>77516958>y-you won’t look big with a shirt on Biggest cope in the history of this board.
>>77516972It's absolutely true. Not if you're natty. Having actually been there, I can say it with confidence, unlike you 'leanpill' types who have never been big OR lean.
>>77516978I’ve been XL shirt fat and got down to size M lean at 5’10”. I’m trying my hardest to stay that way.
>>77516983So you were fat and skinny. Not big and lean.
>>77516985There’s only so big you can be natty and still be lean unless you’re a genetic freak. At my height I start looking like flabby shit above 170lbs.
>>77513637>>77513642The most common source of attraction is 'good health'.Do you have a Strongman body, or are you a fat POS telling yourself stories?
>>77516755>Right so either be super muscular, skinny, or a skinny kpop pretty boy. Notice how you never said "i know of women that are into flabby men">t.can't readI literally said >I know of women who love fat guys.There are possibly more women who act like Pierce Brosnan, architect'ing their husbands, than dudes who do it to their wives.
>>77517000don't blame him, he has skinny eyes
>>77516992Were you lifting? Or just fat?I carried around 240 without looking like flabby shit>>77516997>Do you have a Strongman body, or are you a fat POS telling yourself stories?The amount of people on this board this would apply to is vanishingly small. Superheavyweight strength athletes are tiny in number and require a huge amount of dedication. Yet you dyel twerps tell yourself it's half the board, to excuse your own smallness.
>>77517000>>I know of women who love fat guys.No you don't
>>77517086Ok but I know guys who know women like that
>>77517087you're just denying reality atp idk what to tell you. there's guys who have fat fetishes and love bbbw women that doesn't mean "be in shape and lean" is bad advice for a woman wanting to be generally attractive and vice versa. most of the time if you see a woman with a fat husband he was fitter when they first met and then let himself go and they're both coping to try and stay together
>>77517078240 at what height? I’d look fat as fuck at 5’10”.
>>77516958Lean looks good naked and clothed. also, being lean makes your face look nicer instead of puffy and bloated i don't care to look big. looking fat fucking sucks lol
>>775171026'45'10 170 is scrawny territory. Are you lifting heavy? I'd guess not>>77517180Naked, yes, clothed no, you just look skinny, if you're natty.Haven't noticed my face looking any better or worse either way. Looking big scores you tons of points IRL
>>77517190honestly man, to each their own.
>>77517190I was 220 at my heaviest and I’m just trying to stay at 170 below. desu I just want to stay clean after years of having a gut.
>>77517217stay lean* clean also I guess.
>>775136375'9 at 155lbMy body count of >35 begs to differ
>>77517190>240lb>6'4Lol those are powershitter numbersSo you're like 25% bf but you keep telling yourself how strong you are and how everyone is so scared of you when they're really just avoiding you lmao
Leanpill implies at least 80% natty peak <15% BF, a.k.a you must already have muscle mass.
>>77517328Can’t we just go back to saying ottermode?
>>77517330There' more to it. Ottermode is lean with "some" muscle mass, then you have ascended ottermode, which is near natty peak @ low BF%.
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>>77513637>Leanpill has to be the biggest scamThis is true. its not about being lean its about being attractive.If youre ugly, being lean will only make you appear as a gaunt crackhead.if youre attractive, you can be slightly pudgy, untrained, basically a slob but women will love you bc tall, big jaw, good hair, good facial symmetry, none of these have anything to do with bodyfat.being obese can ruin your looks, but being lean wont make you attractive.If youre fat, be lean just to see what it looks like, but if youre not chad, nothing can save you.
>>77517358Autismos gonna autism
>>77516755They are lean because being fat can lower your looks, but being lean doesnt necessarily mean you look better.Your looks ceiling is hardlocked, being lean wont change it.
>>77517363Your face is almost always improved by being lower body fat. Especially if you get a double chin easily.
>>77517363and where does the concept of muscle mass come into this whole equation?
>>77517374being fat can make you look worse, but being lean wont make you not ugly is what I meant to say.>>77517375women dont care and since we arent allowed to use our muscles to kidnap women anymore it doesnt matter anyway.maybe some women want muscular men when theyre not on birth control (90% of women are on the pill).
>>77517394You sound like you are both celibate and a non lifter, so why are you the expert?
>>77516800>that picUnironically fat girls and then gaslight and shame them in to using GLP-1s to become skinny and fuckable.
>>77517463my bench is 325.you sound like you're upset because I gave you some bad news.
>>77513637didnt read beyond the first line, stfuI am a 2 meter tall skeleton and women lust over me like crazy. Lean IS LAW
>>77517363damn so my size fucked me over
>>77517656That's because you're tall, retard. Not because you're a skeleton.
>>77517463No it doesn't, sounds like he's giving you some facts of life and you're just refusing to accept how it is.
>>77513637>seething powerfattie cope thread
>>77517599glp1s will not save most of them. The habit is the habit. glp1s make their habits uncomfortable but the choice still needs to be made to be healthier.
>>77518001>his opinions are FACTS OF LIFE>>77518009What do you get out of writing sub bot-tier posts like this?
>>77518764He's trying to tell you that foids don't care about your muscle as much as you think, being lean and defined at whatever level of musculature will help you much more.
>being lean? Yeah actually that's bad. what the fuck is even going on here
>>77516829Now there’s a bunch of pantshitters
>>77518923And he's wrong. So now what?>>77518931Nice conversation you're having in your head, idiot?
>>77513637Lanky weak twinks btfo
The idea that being "lean" is sooo good looking is born of spending WAY too much time on computers, looking at pictures. You like all the little definitions and shapes on the guy's body. Staring at pictures on the internet gives you a weird way of looking at things. How many times have you lusted or posted jeet tier horniness about some girl you see a picture of, that you wouldn't even look twice at on the street?Anyways it has become totally out of whack. You are projecting male brain onto women. Women like to feel small and protected and threatened at the same time by their guy. They do not look at pictures and lust the way you do. You lust after all the little curves and shapes on his body. You think 'I like this so much, girls must like it even more!' But the truth is, that's not true and you aren't going to look like that anyways. pic rel is to me better looking than any sub 200lb lean guy. It actually looks like a normal male physique. A lean muscular physique is not something that exists in nature. It looks uncanny. I think our monkey brains register it as skinny and weak on some level.
Powerlifting is fat acceptance for men.
>>77513637>>77513642
>>77519358>homoerotic essay ironically projecting his fetish of being manhandled >posts picrel of bloated neaderthal that is attractive to precisely no-one other than homosexualsPerhaps you've been in the gym too long staring at bodies of naked men, anon.Homosexuality is a mental disorder, you need to go out and meet real people and real females irl. Good luck.
regardless of what women like I'm going to try out 13% bf see how it feels. Good day
>>77519445>>77519465You are a small, weak idiot. Which is fine. But stop pretending like it makes you superior.
>>77516758>>77513717this is a depiction of hercules, a demigod not a commoner
>>77519818Your point being...? He said commoners were lean and scrawny
