>Where do I start?old.reddit.com/r/steroids/wiki/indexPrevious: >>77503337
>>77520450just reposting so this is on the new thread, is it AI time for me right now, or wait a week or so for bloods
>>77520445Tamoxifen or Enclo for PCT? or both? and should I keep using HCG while doing my PCT or stop using HCG when I finish my cycle.
>>77520433Cheers. My contracts are 3 months on/3 months off. Subscription meds are obviously allowed, the company I work for sails worldwide, so 3rd world countries are usually part of the itinerary.Pretty sure this limits my options to prescription test when I’m on board at least.
>>77520464holy shit read the wiki. Who the fck uses hcg while pct, are oyu fucking retarded?
>>77520529Including hCG in PCT is the new meta apparently.https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41147237/
>>77520446hell of a lot better than all the regurgitated unhelpful bullshit i've read. thank you!>>77520450tissue takes time to grow. i don't think a week will kill you. come up with a dosage and schedule in the meantime, and chill. stress drops your tt
>>77520478oooh i was thinking 6 on/off. shitty. well, you could save your scrip bottles/vials, and pack 'em full to keep a blast going while you're out. or you could try trt with some anavar (oxandrolone). a var cycle is like 10 weeks. you won't get huge, but it'll help get you cut over time. pair that with some semaglutide or tirtzepetide, and you'll get to a low body fat pretty easy. glp-1's are available from the same trt clinics that won't give two shits what your bloods are, so that could work. they often sell var, too. what is your goal though? only good reason to roid is to get huge, and that might be difficult given your work situation. does anyone check your bags when you board for your 3 out though? if you put some scrip looking bottles with your syringes in a insulin case, would anyone give a shit? do they just want a copy of your prescriptions to give to the ship emt? do they make the ship doc give you your meds? if not, we might be worried about nothing. i'd hate for you to get dinged on this though. mariner life is a good career
>>77520445Yo
is it cool to start taking my AI at week 4 because of spicy nips BEFORE getting to full blood saturation and getting a solid reading at week 6 or whatever. Or, should I get the blood test early, right now, to check to see if i aught to start my AI? or do you generally start AI just based on perceived acute sides. Do I take my AI tonight due to spicy nips or do I WAIT because i want to get a good baseline bloodtest so i can learn how to manipulate my numbers...
>>77520535i stand corrected. Intresting find. 4500 iu hcg per week is a lot though.
>>77520577I work on cruise ships, we have a fully kitted out medical centre. 90% of my contracts I’m flown in to my port of embarkation, so everything will have to go through standard airport security. We have security on board conducting x-rays at the gangways when we’re alongside but they are less thorough than airport security. I take Ritalin on a prescription and officially I’m supposed to declare that every contract but I haven’t bothered to do that since my first contract.My goal is just to get big. I also have a mild suspicion I have low test but I haven’t gotten it tested.
>>77520478>>77520529>>77520606Havent we concluded that hcg is bad for pct bc of supression of natural test production though? You run in during blast so you dont atrophy your balls. It is basically an analogue of your natural gonadotropin which works on leydig cells on your balls if i remember correctly. no? I think they had found negative feedback on your hpta axis from it. Nonetheless the article you posted says jack about anything. It says too little on just abstact and conclusions and whatnot. We won't upturn a gazillion years of accumulated knowledge over a rando paper.
>>77520602Yeah bro. Just be careful with it. If you’re taking anastrazole wait at least a week before re dosing or changing anything. At the end of the day AI has to be taken based on feel IMO. Blood testing is mostly to help you identify what high or low estrogen actually feels like rather than tell you when to take the AI. I’d probably wait to get my blood tested until I reach some steady state just to confirm I’m in a good range. But you can get it tested now if you’re worried that the nips are lying to you or something
>>77520625From the wiki:"If you choose to include hCG in your PCT protocol, the best possible SERM for the PCT protocol is Nolvadex, as studies have demonstrated that hCG and Nolvadex utilized together have exhibited a remarkable synergistic effect in terms of stimulating endogenous Testosterone production, and that Nolvadex will actually work to block the desensitization effect on the Leydig cells of the testes caused by high doses of hCG .10 "
Friendly reminder people who drop telegrams here as sources are scammers and if you get product your best case scenario is that you were resold a marked up relabeled vial from a reputable UGL
How many times per month do you get to the gym?I'm 39. Start B&Cing in late 2021. I just do not have the psychological or physical energy to make it more than about 15 times per month anymore. Then sometimes I travel for two weeks or get sick, and I miss several days.
>>77520620oh okay. people being gear through security all the time. just put it in an insulin kit, and nobody gives a shit. only thing i could think of would be you'd need a bunch of pins for 3 months but i guess a plebbit basic 500mg/week would me 2ml/week with a standard 250mg/ml test cypionate ugl brew, sooooo.... 24x 1ml 5/8" 31g insulin syringes? could say it's for corrections if anyone asks, but, anecdotally of course, it's unlikely anyone would. and that'd be... 3 vials to bring with you. 500mg/week x 12 weeks is 6g, and ugl is typically 250mg/ml and 10ml to a vial, so 7.5g in 3 vials. again though, double check where you're going, and even what airports you have connections in. some countries will haul your ass to jail for even passing through with some substances, even testosterone
>>77520445>>77517773What do you dose it at? I am currently doing 150mcg each injection 1-2 times a day. I have a whole kit so I could increase the dosage, but it would be hard for me to inject more frequently given how I time my meals. planning to get gh anyways eventually tho
>>77520445Ronnie Coleman BBC
>>77520457>500 test>HCG>Spicy nips>Do I need an AIHonestly if you get tits you deserve them for being retarded
in what ways do people treat you differently after getting huge?
>>77520858Contrary to what people say you get way more attention from women across the board. It's a huge black pill the way they act sometimes. Men are hit or miss. Before getting big they would be indifferent towards me, but after they seem to either instantly like me or hate me for no reason. I sorta already experienced this effect since I'm 6'4" but it's amplified a lot now that I'm yoked.
>>77520858grown men and teen boys are scared shitless of mebabies really like me young girls like my presence
>>77520883This, preyolked most people would be somewhat open to me because I am always in a good mood and smiling; but still standoffish because I am admittedly weird, but now women and other people I haven't met before (or even those I met before but was never looked at further than face value) are more open to engaging me conversationally or physically touching me because I am buff. I am still weird as fuck but it's seen as quirky and funny now instead of the incel racist mass shooter tier vibes.
>>77521051Yeah since I got on cycle and got bigger a girl at work is always grabbing my arm and leading me around while holding it instead of walking next to me. Weird.
>>77520625the "theory" is that HCG is bad because it continues to down-regulate your HPTA axis, but it seems that the fact it directly tells your ballsack to come back to life is overwhelmingly more valuable during PCT (I would still use HCG during my cycle if I'm coming off, especially the last month or whatever)
>>77520698Do you have kids, or are you otherwise fat or unhealthy? I'm 36 and have no problem with PPLxULx, sometimes I switch to ULuUxLx if I'm doing life stuff. I feel I could do more days if I didn't have a fucken job and friends and family.
>>77520445What do you guys do for acne and face washing? My face seems to go in waves, and recently it’s been getting pretty greasy. Recommend me some products that you have personal experience with.
>>77521577for face? Cerave acne foaming washfor back? accutane 1mg per kg of body weight per day
>>77521577>>77521587thats stupid 20mg accutane is all you need
>>77521577did a full dose of accutane in my early 20s and have never needed anything again (now in my 30s). even on tren I get a little bit of acne on my back and it goes away. had horrid chronic acne as a teenager on face back and chest so I'm not genetically blessed either accutane is just the way
>>77521826Depends on severity but consistency is key, 20mg for 6mo is better than 80mg for 1 month, much like frauding compounds
lol whoever ordered tc from k4l your shit ended up at some rando's business. there's a post with pictures in the scams subplebbit titled return address scam
Week 9 of tren eFeel great mentally but I have no motivation for work outs. I start to lift and instantly feel tired and irritated like all I want is to quit. I do my work out but have started skipping some exercises outright and only do mid weight because my muscles start to feel like shit if I go high. Should I push through to 12 weeks as planned or cut it here?
>>77522318Dose? Carbs? Preworkout? I didn’t get that motivation or drive that people say they get on Tren (200mg) but eating some carbs and 300mg caffeine plus L-Theanine an hour or so before working out got me fucking pumped.
>>77522322Around 200mg/week as well (EOD dosing).I eat roughly 300g of carbs/day with some cheat days where I surpass it. also try to eat carbs an hour preworkout, mostly to avoid crashing blood sugar. Haven't tried preworkout/caffeine, though. My BP gets a bit sensitive. ATP I'll give it a try anyway just to see if it gets me going. Thanks for the idea, anon. If it pulls me out of this slump for the final weeks I'll be stoked.
Holy shit EQ is amazing. I can just blast test and never worry about e2
>>77520464Use torem instead
>>77522365not that anon, but have you been taking a liver support? high ast gives you the blahs
>>77522802I was thinking the same. Liver and kidney stress definitely wreck your energy. If you know how to source try UDCA, if not grab some TUDCA.
>>77522381literally thislove EQ
>>77520892No one cares bro lmaoIt's just wishful thinking
>>77520836e2 test is like $30 get it done retard pussy nigga
What compounds besides var won't rek my hair? I'm in min and fin but I've read/heard that primo will still fuck up my hair.vid rel: me and my gf
>>77523629hgh
>>77523629Nandrolone
I love DECA I love Var I love EQ I love Test I love Halo I love Primo I love HGH
>>77520620I bring roids with me whenever I fly. Domestic or international, they don’t give a fuck. I’ve had my bag searched at security and customs, no one even asks about the vials. I just keep them in a diabetic kit with my other meds. Unless you’re going to Singapore I really wouldn’t worry about it, it’s not all that serious.
>>77524039what do you do with deca?
>>77524122boof it
Had a really bad series of heart arrhythmias and ended up getting surgery. I’m 1 year post op now - safe to start first cycle y’all reckon?
>>77524039ilu2anon
>>77524327Yes... I suggest Ment, drol and halo pre-workout
>>77524122Use NPP instead and at 700mgs weekly with low test and a stout dose of a DHT
>>77524386Going to start NPP soon. Is it as strong as everyone says it is?
>>77524386>>77524391Already on 600mg test, 300mg mast, 200mg Primo BTW.Would 200-300 of NPP be a significant boost?
>>77523629>var won't rek my hairWait what? Isn't var a DHT derivative? It should fuck your hair like all DHTs right?
>>77524116What passport, what race
>>77520445
>>77524417American, White (96% Northern European DNA tested). I go to Europe and South America a few times a year each.
>>77524395Since you are already in a blast with multiple compounds I wouldn't add another compound. Save NPP for your next blast. I would make a suggestion though, I would increase your primo significantly.
Why do I bother
>>77524634Who asked the whore anything?
>>77524634veronica is a fucking retard so who cares
is 1ml too much for delts?
>>77524634you literally shouldn't bother if your goal is to peacock for women
>>77524634I follow Mikey and generally like his poasts, but he was a weird fucken frame. Like he's too wide somehow.
>>77524405Anavar is DHT-derived, but it is not equivalent to DHT at the hair follicle.
>>77524634You should have stopped in the fake natty zone or just a bit beyond. Big and lean enough to be obvious to frauders but not so big that you look like a freak. If you go beyond this it's obvious you have extreme body dysmorphia that overrides taste. Not that I don't have it, but I am aware enough to moderate
What are the realistic expectations for using CJC-1295 DAC?Has anyone here tried it?
>>775246531ml is my outer limit for delts. I like a 5/8” pin on a small barrel. Great for daily short esters like tren ace.
Is there any point in running a solely IGF-1 LR3 four week 40mcg every training day (6 days a week) cycle without androgens or would it be more or less pointless?
>mfw just got on HCGI feel alive again anons. I dont know how you guys do it without a nutsack
>>77525428You'll get a good pump n bellies will look full throughout the day. As for growth, LR3 downregulates the receptors very quickly hence why people stick to tried n true peptides like GH instead
>>77525590How long were you on test before starting hcg
>>77525594Like 3 months.
>>77525590hCG is goated. Just don't dose it too high.
>>775256061000IU a week
>>77524728it's his tiny calves. there's some ratio bs between calves + quads + biceps that throw off proportion
does ba or bb go bad? i've had some in my garage for a while that i used to brew some tren and deca, and they've both been pippy as fuck, which i didn't get with the first brews. i thought it might have been the mcp that caused the tren pip, so i ordered a fresh bottle, but now the deca's got me going too. i did 250-280 with 2/20, so it's not like i'm doing some crazy shit. I guess maybe i should have tried 1/18? but the ratios are the same from the first time, so... i dunno. raws are stored in bags in boxes in garage, but the temperature range varies. i guess i should do vacuum sealed and freezer? but i havent really read many stories about shit going bad, just maybe degrading slightly over time. shit's only 2 years old
Fucking steroids turned Carrot Top gay and suicidal.https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/542891355/breaking-carrot-top-tries-to-kill-himself#top
>Leg dayFUCK ME I WANT TO HIT ARMS
What is your BMI at the end of a bulk and at the end of a cut?
>>77525721
>>77523629test
>>77523950Don't suggest that to him if he is on fin, I don't think they pair together.
>>77525785You obviously don't think, or know
>>77525053So something like 20-30 mg on top of some test-c won't make me go bald (assuming I wasn't going to get bald naturally already)?
>>77525806I thought it was common knowledge to not pair Deca with Fin?
Been on test for like a year but still look the sameHow 2 get big
>>77525913eat big
>>77525913HMMM LET ME THINK ABOUT THATHOW ABOUT FUCKIN EAT MORE
>>77525913Take more ai. High e can inhibit test benefits. After I started taking my ai regularly I started noticing my cycle progress skyrocketing
>>77525687If by bb you mean benzyl benzoate, yeah it'll degrade into benzoic acid with enough time, heat/light, and humidity. Not so obvious to me how benzoic alcohol would degrade but you learn new things everyday.
>>77524634She doesn't even make her comment without the pic on the right getting her attention.
THESE THREADS ARE REGULARLY TROLLED BY INCEL DYEL PSYCHOS WHO WANT YOU TO FUCK YOUR SHIT UP. IGNORE EVERYTHING YOU SEE HERE. THERE'S MORE THAN ENOUGH GOOD INFO ON REDDIT, DEREK MPMD'S YOUTUBE CHANNEL, AND ASKING CHATGPT/CLAUDE/DEEPSEEK/GROK. HAPPY ROIDING!
glps and test is all a nigga needs
>>77525590I feel like my nuts aren't really that small. Maybe I'm just used to it
>>77526230ah yes, that. cool thank you! got a new rabbit hole to go down then, to see if i'm injecting acid into my ass
>>77526136I checked bloods my e was fine.
>>77527014post bitch tits
>>77526960seems like 2 years is about the limit. i should buy a new bottle. thanks, anon
>>77526676its almost like you should do your own research no matter what and never trust someone on the internet 100% without double checking facts/resources.
>>77526698I am not a nigger thank God.
>>77527178If you were you wouldn't have to inject drugs in your flat booty
>>77524419Hot
>>77527211My ass mogs most womens because I love RDLs
>>77527177I feel like it's a litmus test of sorts. or darwin, depending on the severity
Is a roid coach worth it or not
>>77527388If you can afford it and it’s your first cycle yeah. Newbies who don’t want to do the research on their own and bloodwork on top of what to take for your goals or reacting to different levels of their bloodwork and what each one means.It isnt NECESSARY but if you aren’t autistic enough to min/maz by yourself it could help immensely.
>>77527278>Anon said 600mg Tren Ace a week is a good first cycle with no Test base and can bulk by eating McDonalds everyday when I am already 35% BF and 250lbs! >I believe him because no one called him stupid in the 3 minutes I lurked the /fraud/ general
>>77527388Like the other guy said, if you're willing to do all the in-depth research yourself, then no. But if not, then it could be well worthwhile.
ChatGPT and Claude say longer, lower dose "cycles" result in more muscle gains than shorter higher dose cycles. For instance 6 months on 240 and 6 months on cruise/trt beats 350 for 16 weeks. What say you, /fit/?
>>77527559350 for 16 weeks *followed by trt/cruise*
>>77527559Roiding is a psyop to turn your health into a subscription service
>>77527559correct generally though there will be diminishing returns at a point, faster if your diet isn't dialed in, you don't progressively overload, or you experience health drag from suboptimal ancillary use/neglect of your body's personal responses to steroids, so onso the 13 weeks is still more ideal for a beginner to get a grasp on his body's response, AI needs, so forth
>>77527603>13 weeks meant 16 as per the op post, typo
>>77527559I say do 700mg (100mg daily injections) for 20 weeks and then end your cycle with a comprehensive PCT. That's all you really need to be a big boy for life, provided you keep smashing it in the gym of course. Plus, you have the added benefit of not needing to stick needles in your body for the rest of your life.
>>77527559>6 months on (cruise dose) and 6 months on cruisewhat? 240 is not a cycle. neither is 350. 500 minimum
>>77520445>old.reddit.com/r/steroids/wiki/index>redditGo back.
>>77522381What ratio worked best for you? Are you running hcg as well?
>>77527388It depends if they actually know their shit or if they're just a gym bro who learned from fellow retards. Honestly with chatgippity why would you pay someone unless if you were literally 85 IQ and couldn't trust your own subjective judgement at all.
>>77527559I don't know about those exact dosages but lifting consistently for longer than 4 months significantly decreases myostatin (myostatin inhibition goes up). For whatever reason, at that threshold duration your body just says fuck it and agrees to build and hold on to more muscle. So if you're doing babbie's first cycle at 15 weeks you don't hit that milestone, although I'm sure it's not that much of a hard threshold.
>>77527559well yeah because 350 isn't that much more than 240
>>77527822500 test and somewhere between 125-150 EQ. My e2 was 100+ on just 300 test. Now it's in reference range high 30. Taking hcg
>>77528045Chink detected
>>77528238Would you say it's worth using on a first cycle in place of an AI? I'm currently planning on hopping on in November, 400mg test e for 18-20 weeks.
>>77528440Im doing it on my first cycle but I did just test for a few months seeing how i react and aromatize.
>>77528442Okay, I'll just stick to test to see how I aromatize. I already bought anastrozole anyway.
>>77528045there's that nameless bot again.... only mention i could find of that place is the owner getting thrown in jail in 2018, and a trial update last year
>>77527177incels on this Chink cartoon cp site love to make fun of reddit but they upboat downboat feature actually does a good job of ensure that the best info is seen and people who are wrong or trolling get censored
>>77527687retard
>>77528045scam
>>77528838peptide dyel zoomeryou can't feel the difference between 240 and 350 test.
jerking off for an hour on tren preworkout IS my warmup
>>77529031>Pre-workoutNgmi
>>77527687This.Chatgippity is fucking retarded in regards to dosages.That being said, I exclusively cruise nowadays.
>>77527559AAS will give you an 'instant' bump in glycogen & nitrogen retention which swells you up and provides great pump. Along with an improved anabolic environment that basically lowers the threshold for where growth occurs (you can slack a bit in diet, training & recovery compared to natties), along with a modest multiplier (dosage & compound dependent) of say 1.25-1.5 the new muscle fibers you would optimally grow as natty for a moderate-high test cycle.At the end of the day you are severely limited by hyperplasia (which is why people run gh n slin) not hypertrophy and there's a big difference.But retards like >>77527672are completely out there lmao. Don't listen to them. You're better off running 250-350 (start low n work ur way up along the road) for an extended period. Once you take gear you won't go back, you'll have lots of time to try shit out so don't stress it.Fuck 19nors stick to test primo mast n var
>>7752910419nors are fucking harsh, I agree with anon
>>77527672This is honestly not the worst thing in the world for someone who doesn't want to be on TRT indefinitely. Cycling off and preserving your natural hormone production gets an unreasonable amount of hate in these spaces nowadays.
>>77529104you seem knowledgeable anon. If I’ve been on 300mg test for a while now would a 500mg test blast be better or 300mg 20 var. also is blasting even worth the health downside given the diminishing returns
>>77528836Yes but you also get popular but hysterical opinions like high estrogen is good and tren makes you gay.
>>77527875Most AI bots block roid advice nowadays, I used to get good advice from Grok. Unless there is a workaround I dont know of
>>77529403>estrogen is goodNo one says this, they say better to err on the side of high E because crashing your estrogen is horrible>tren makes you gayIt does
>>77527672This is actually good advice if you don't want to end up pinning for life. Which is more stupid? one big cycle and then back to a 'normal' gym life? or slow and low and ending up having to pin for the rest of your life?
>>77529451Tren lowers your horny threshold so if you are straight you plow slampigs but if you’re bi or unknowingly bisexual you will be more easily swayed to faggotry.>t. high T trenner plowing fatties
>>77529384NTA but 500 vs 300 test isn't really that much difference - you'll probably feel some difference jumping to 500 but at 300 you're already risking most of the sides of 500. Keep in mind that people run 2g+. 300 test 20 var just makes your workouts slightly more interesting and fun, it's not really a "blast".
do you really just stop taking ai when you feel like the symptoms of high e have gone away? its been 9 days of taking a .25 dose of arimidex e3d and my nips seem back to normal already, everything seems fine. stop taking it already?
>>77529418I still have an old grok chat that I frequently use where he planned out my first cycle and it still works. When I ask about roids in a new chat he shuts down like all the others but something about the chat history has him locked into based mode.
Second cycle, what do you think?
What ratio of T:Mast do you guys usually run? Is 2:1 still the best? Trying to very lean bulk up from a lowish bf for a bit and not wanting to waste my gear.
>>77530286Didn't these guys drop in quality recently?If you go to the meso thread there were some bad testing posted but maybe it is just the resellers
>>77530278if you have a decent pc you can just run an abliterated model locally and ask it about dosages, since it's safety instructions are removed it'll happily give you suggestions.
>>77530387I dunno, bought from EU warehouse I guess I'll find out in the next weeks, only thing I noticed after the first pin 250 test 100 Tren yesterday is bretty strong pip today
I keep doing this thing where I take the cap off the syringe, then I realize I don't have my reading glasses on. So I hold the syringe in one hand and put my glasses on with the other. Some day I know I'm going to fuck it up and stab myself in the eye
How do I go from blast to cruise dose?I'm doing 500mg with 1mg arimidex.I want to go down to 200mg with no AI.Do I titrate down or just drop the dose and stop taking AI the next week?
>>77530560>How do I go from blast to cruise dose?>Do I titrate down or just drop the dose and stop taking AI the next week?This depends a lot on what you're taking and what ester it is. Estrogen sides (to my knowledge) are usually caused by your hormones fluctuating, rather than simply being high/low. If you're on prop and you suddenly halve your dose youll be getting sides regardless
>>77530654Enanthate
>>77530662just drop your dose & taper your ai. Arimidex isnt a suicidal ai so your test will take weeks to lower since enanthate has a 4.5 day half life while ur e2 will be unbound by your cessation of dex much quicker, in days probably. You could stop your dex maybe 7d after your last 500mg pin/weekly dose
>>77530771this depends on ur frequency though, if ur doing 2x 250 you can stop it 4d after, if youre doing 3x 167 then you can stop it 3d after, etc.
>>77530560It doesn't matter you wont die from a week or two of having high or low e2
>>77521360no kids, and not fat. bodyfat around 11% just, really hate going to the gym when i go like 5 days a week. it's not fun, it's a grind, it's annoying, i feel fatigue. when i go 3 days a week i have more energy for it, i like it more. i feel like i have balance.also feel like there are tremendous diminishing returns. going 3 days a week i easily maintain what i have. if i started going 6 days a week, it would be twice as much work, but i might look 5% better. if i went once a week it would be way less work, but i might look 20% worse. so 3 feels like a good balance
>>77530846b&c for 5 years and going 3 days a week? at this point the gear is doing more work than you are. if you don't like training why are you b&c
>>77530854i like to b&c because the test feels good and keeps me energetic and i look fit. if i stopped then i would have to suffer for a few weeks while my body made its own test againdo you think everyone who b&c's is going to the gym 5x a week?
>>77530846>I’m going to do roids but not put in effort to maximize my gains stay fakeNatty
>>77530902>I’m going to do roids but not put in effort to maximize my gainsyeah basically exactly this, yeahmy body looks better than 95% of men on this earth, and 99% of men above 35i want balance in my life. i could spend another 4 hours per week in the gym and go from 95 to 99%ile in body, maybe. maybe that wouldn't even work. maybe my workout quality would just be worse and it would be too much
>>77530880>5 years>suffer for a few weeks while my body made its own test againSorry my guy, you're never producing your own test again. You're supposed to cycle for a few weeks and then pct if you don't want to lose your balls forever.
>>77530880except it's not keeping you energetic if you can't go to the gym more than 3 times a week lol you have less energy than a nattythere are retards that take steroids and dont go to the gym at all, what's your point? that you're only 50% retarded?
Buying test, anavar, deca, etc from China a good idea or is the far east land only good for peptides?
>>77530926this is pretty good bait, and well donebut can you please comment on why you are going to the gym 5-6 times a week instead of 3? what are you getting out of it? do you think literally anyone on this earth cares that you are 10.3% bodyfat instead of 10.6%? do you think it gives you a big advantage to have a better body than 99% of men, instead of having a better body than 95% of men? is there not another arena of life that the same 3 hours could be spent, and afford a bigger jump up among the rest of the population than a measly 4%?you realise that if you read for just 3 hours a week vs 0 hours a week you instantly jump from 0 to about 60th percentile? is that not more important than obsessing about the last little bit of fitness?
>>77530286Get some hCG as well (if you don't have it already). I would usually run hCG 500IU EOD for the last few weeks of the cycle and for about a month after that before fully switching to SERM's for the final part of PCT. hCG makes your balls super big bro, it helps a lot with recovery imo.
>>77530950Why aren't people taking hcg the whole blast and cruise?
>>77530560>>77530662Just drop down. It takes time to clear so it will be semi gradual anyway. No need to be an autist and make your life more difficult
>>77530935No. If you want quality raws that aren't from China here is some advice. Get your PhD, buy your own compounding pharmacy, get the proper license, purchase from Sigma Aldrich.
>>77530935Neymar > Ronaldo > Haaland > Messi
do you have to continue your ai protocol for any additional length of time if your sides have evaporated overnight after just one week of taking it
>>77531161neymar isn't even whiteyou're disugsting
How many sets per muscle group are you roiders doing? I'm at 20 for biceps and triceps but I think I can add more because I'm on test
>>77530976hCG increases aromatisation of T to E which isn't ideal, and hCG is also quite expensive.
>>77531286I always feel like I can add more but keep it to 16 because tendinitis from too much volume stalled me for like three weeks. You're going to grow regardless on t, no need to try to milk it to the limit of hurting yourself
>>77531234If you stop taking it the sides will come back. You need to take it for the entire duration of your cycle. How exactly do you think AI works that you could take it one time and then just be good to go?
>>77530543good ol' tren eye. 5/20 vision. fuck dem eagle ass bitches
>>77531286u wot m8per week?
>>77520445>did huge blasts 4 years ago>get arrested and sent to prison without any PCT>Test levels go to shit from extreme stress>Get Obese>Released from jail, hop on test, aromatize like a mother fucker>hop off test, hop on hcg only>gradually increase hcg until im at 1000-1500 iu hcg a week for the last 2 monthsWhat's my next step? was i supposed to take nolvadex? The Jewish urologist just told me to take hcg and arimidex and I've been following his advice for the last 5 months. But he also said my level 300 T level was 'fine'. I'm no longer fat thanks to retatrutide. I'm at 215 now and would ideally like to get down to 195.I'm considering hopping back on the test while I lose these last 10 pounds. Or should I just stay on the HCG? I just want healthy balls and healthy muscles. I want a healthy dick and sex drive and orgasm quality, but I also want nice muscles.
>>77530854So that the test will do the work and I won’t have to? Duh?
>>77531782The next step is to actually develop some critical thinking skills and willpower instead of hopping from substance to substance and trying to go through life only using shortcuts. You sound like a huge faggot, i hope you get raped in prison when you eventually go back in.
Dont know if this is the right thread but how do you talk to girls at the gym?
Chuds I need your input. I started my second cycle two days ago, 250 test 100 tren in 1.5ml into my right quad. Been having really strong pip in that quad since the day after. First cycle was only test (and var) and I barely had any pip, always injected into my quads then. Could it be the Tren? It really bothers me because I can't squat or walk stairs without having to flinch. Should I bite the bullet and go ventroglute or glute tomorrow?
>>77532337>ventroglute>bite the bulletThe only reason not to do ventroglutes only is because you just got so many ventroglutes on your body (2)It's always the first choice
>>77532362it was the worst place for me to pin, i would always get really bad pipmaybe it was something specific to my body, i don't knowi pin glutes, lats, deltsstopped pinning ventro years agocouldnt' walk some days
>>77532001>hey do I know you from somewhere you look really familiar >hmm no that's not it >Xyz? >huh no? >ah, do I know your boyfriend maybe? >I don't have a boyfriend >oh. I'm anon, by the way >you wanna go out for xyz later? and fuck off and don't push the convo if she shows obvious signs of discomfort/refusal, you'll just look like a retard
>>77532455lol this is zoomzoom tier pick up artist faggotry
>>77532455ez
>>77531782Right, listen to me you meat head. Firstly, get off Arimidex immediately. Secondly, you've got two options depending on whether you want to PCT and be normal, or whether you just want to keep taking test/hCG for the rest of your life. If you want to PCT, then take hCG 500IU every other day (EOD) for another month alongside 5mg of Tamoxifen (Nolvadex) daily, then stop taking the hCG but keep taking the 5mg of Tamoxifen daily and take Enclo 25mg daily as well, if Enclo / Clomid gives you eye side effects then just come off it for a while but keep taking the Tamoxifen 5mg. Continue to take the Tamoxifen and Enclomiphene for several months, maybe up to half a year or longer for full recovery (you don't always need to use the Enclo, you can just use it for a couple of weeks here and there if it gives you sides, but always keep taking Tamox). However, if you want to keep taking T or hCG for life then you can just take 150mg of test a week split into three 50mg doses on M/W/F, (you can adjust the test dose according to your needs). Adding in hCG when using test is optional, but a lot of people like to do it, 250IU every other day is enough. Finally, if you want to, you could just take hCG only (it's a good option) and skip the test all together, anywhere between 300-500IU EOD should be sufficient to keep your T levels well above the average normie, but you'll need to do those injections for life. The choice is yours brother. Also, bare in mind, if there's any chance of you going back into the cage (where getting T or hCG will probably be impossible) you might want to think about that, because your natural production only gets less likely to come back the older you get.
People get scared about taking test for life but i'm gonna brush my teeth for life. I'm gonna shower every day for life. Taking test is less inconvenient than that.
>pin 7 days/week>never got pip onceSometimes I wonder what some of y’all are doing
>>77532937All fine until you get sent to prison. Or any other situation where you can't access it.
>>77532978he can get a trt prescription and prison has to give him prescription drugs
>>77532982Good luck with that.
Achievable natty? Claims lifting since 2012 and given the bf % I'm inclined to believe it. But I wanted the opinions of the pinners here
>>77532957not using shitty gear
>>77533025lol
>>77533042You can tell I have never stepped foot in a gym, yes
>>77533025How tall is he? If he's a total manlet like 5'3" then maybe he could be natty.
>>77532552Thanks coahc.I got locked up in December 2022 so its been 4 years. But due to the extreme stress, weight gain, and no PCT, my hormones didn't normal out.I was released from prison a year ago 80 lbs overweight with a broken dick.So I been on HCG almost 6 months and feel a lot better, but does the Tamoxifen make since at this point. I did get prescribed clomid by a (((urologist))) and it was giving me the eye side effects within a week or two so I came off. I've been on reta for 4 months and lost 60 lbs so far. I have about 10-15lbs to go til im at my healtiest weight. I figured now is a decent time to set a basineline, thereforeI'm getting bloods next week to see where I'm at. I honestly just want to hop back on the T and do a cycle or 2 to get all my muscle back and then just stay at a nice maintenance for the rest of my life. I aromatize quite a lot even on TRT doses and get crazy acne and bloating without an AI...adding the hcg while on test just makes it worse.I was thinking of doing one or 2 Test+Primo or Test+Mast cycles then just maintaining a nice lean physique for as long as I can. But my main concern is sex. Sexual pleasure, a hard dick, and high quality orgasms. I want to feel like a pornstar and get those years back I lost in prison.
>>77532982I tried to get TRT in prison and you literally need Test levels of like 100. My T levels were at 130 in prison and they still didn't give it to me. And all they give you is 100mg every 2 weeks.
How tf do you guys deal with shoulder pumps? I've heard of back pumps while on gear but personally it was never that debilitating for me. Shoulder pumps are getting out of hand. It's at the point where I'm cutting shoulder volume on push day. A few sets of lateral raises after benching and I can barely lift my arms over my head for like a half an hour
>>77533137Seems to be between 5'5"-5'7"
>>77533160You didn't deserve it
>>77533159No worries, if you're not worried about going back to prison then I'd just take the test route then, and there's no need to take tamoxifen if your planning on doing that. If you want to have kids at some point (assuming you don't have any or that you want to have more), you'll likely need to take some hCG along with your test when you're trying to conceive. Other than that, just try out some test doses and see what works for you. Also, I would STRONGLY recommend Exemestane (Aromasin) over Anastrozole (Arimidex) for estrogen control (AI), Exemestane is so much better, you just have to be careful not to nuke your E with it, a little goes a long way! but it really is so much better (pic rel).
Redpill me on clen, is it worth using?
>>77533323Is aromasin worth buying if I already have arimidex?
>>77533323Sorry I misspoke. I want to do a couple cycles and stay on Test for about 5-6 more years, then go natty but maintain a decent amount of physique while natty. That's what I meant by "nice maintenance for the rest of my life" But I'm hoping I can maintain a decent amount of muscle while natty. My main concern is the aging effect. I don't like how test made me age and I'm especially concerned about preserving my youthful appearance. I'm a hyper-responder to Test cyp and my levels are 1000 for every 100mg/week I take. So at 100mg a week my T levels are 1000. at 300 my test levels are 3000. I appreciate the Aromasin suggestion but I have a very bad reaction to it. For some reason it makes my acne even worse. Maybe I wasn't dosing it right or maybe i had bad quality shit i ordered online, but my body responds so much better to arimidex.
>>77533461Eventually I'll figure out what's causing my acne and maybe it's Aromasin...
>>77533461are you retarded? you think your balls will produce test after being on test for 5 years? they cant even produce test now lol
>>77533326Worth using for what? It's a decent stimulant I suppose but if you wanna lose weight why not just use GLP-1s or DNP? (optionally with GH)>>77533461>I don't like how test made me age and I'm especially concerned about preserving my youthful appearance.You can't have AAS and looking youthful it's one or the other man. Maybe try GHAlso you're not going to produce T naturally unless you put your balls through the wringer with hCG (maybe even GnRH)
>>77533376they work differentlyadex needs to be used continuously otherwise estrogen will rebound. it also allows some testosterone to still enter the aromatase complex, meaning estrogen never goes to zeroimo it really doesn't matter which one you pick unless you happen to have some specific and bad side effect to one or the other
>>77533461>I appreciate the Aromasin suggestion but I have a very bad reaction to it. For some reason it makes my acne even worse.It's possible it's just too sharp of estrogen drops. Estrogen has positive effects in skin complexion but the opposite can happen if estrogen drops suddenly. Likely also why some peoples skin gets disgusting when they fuck around with gear or women with PCOS get so much acne
>>7753128610-12 per week sometimes less. All to failure.
>>77532978I'm white so this doesn't apply to me.
>>77533461The chances of restoring your natural T production to normal levels after doing a few more big cycles and being on T for 6 more years is VERY slim. You'll likely have to pin for life if you take that path imo.
>>77533919Then pin away my brother. May the gains be with you.
>>77533461You’re a regular responder. Maybe slightly higher than average. >>77533571Not how it works>>77533650Every mid to long term study ever done on test production and spermatogenesis after cessation of illicit steroid use has shown that almost every participant regains both to the extent that they fall into the clinical average range. Not saying that you’ll go back to where you were but it’s not like you won’t produce anything. Pete Rubish is at like 500 ng/dl after a decade of tren
What health supplements do you take? Should I add anything to this list?ZincMagnesiumD3+K2Omega 3 Fish OilNACP5P only if taking 19norsThen the usual protein powder, creatine, preworkout as needed
>>77533934>>77534326 i dont want to do a "big" cycle since picred is my ideal size. I plan to do low and slow Test+Primo, Test+EQ, Or Test+masteron type shit.Also which is best for sexual health and pleasure? I didn't like how I couldnt bust a nut on anavar.
>>77534643meant to attach picrel as my ideal body
>>77534652wat. dude just take tirz and go to the gym. you dont roid for that. you roid to get big, not go otter mode
>>77534688im 38 bro i dont think my body is gonna let me put on muscle like i did in my youth
My first tren will be here Monday. I pin test every day should I do tren eod or ed
Do roids actually make you feel like an alpha guy? I hear mixed things, some people say theres no pysch stuff going on at all, others say they feel great.
>>77534943700 test makes me feel absolutely nothing mentally
I've lost almost 60lbs with cruise + reta, I want to blast and lean bulk soon.Should I stop the reta completely or would keeping low dose like 2mg help me not gain too much fat during my next phase?
>>77534980you need to eat 3,5-4k cals (at least) for your blast. How tf are you gonna do that on reta. I mean whats the point? You already partition all your cals to lean tissue due to the test kinda already, esp if you dont eat like a retard.
>>77534793Some find the sides aren't as apparent pinning ed, myself included. If anything you will have more stabile plasma levels
>>77534643Test and mast as long as you have your AI dialed in. The drive from mast is strong.
>>77534326This. Personally after 8 years of trt and multiple blasts my test came back to the lower 500s near the one year mark.
Can I draw up HGH, BPC-157, and TB-500 into the same syringe and inject all three at once or would that be stupid?
>>77534793do every day, doesn’t matter if Enanthate Prop Ace whatever>>77534943No unless you are low T virgin chudcel and get a confidence boost from placebo “I feel great and I am on steroids I am gigachad”>t. low T virgin chudcel who got a confidence boost and became gigachad and now treats women like they treated me when I was small
>>77535103>Can Iyes>would that be stupidyes
>>77531106b-but people on Mesoforum do
>>77534943Literally no difference, other than perhaps more confidence in my athletic abilities.
>>77534762that's the thing though, the kid in the picture isn't very muscular. he's just skinny, and works out sometimes. you don't need to add muscle, you just need to get down to 12% body fat. if you're a scary spooky skeleton, then, sure, i guess you could do a blast, but even then I'd think you'd be better off finding a way to eat an extra thousand calories a day
>>77535103it will wear down the needle which will make the injection painful what is stupid is the fact youre combining those threeif youre gonna do hgh you are already injecting growth hormonesbpc and tb signal your body to produce hormones but its pointless if youre already injecting them
>>77535119Mesofags say a lot of dumb shit
Can lats handle 2.5ml? Can delts handle 1.5ml?I'm retarded I got low concentration oil and need to inject 8ml a week, these two spots are my go to.
Is it appropriate to have hard nipples? The tighter my shirts get the harder it is to ignore.
>>77534943Literally 1 hour after I pinned I made $10 million dollars in sales and had an orgy with 20 women.
>>77535278I’ve done 3 draws in one needle (28g) before it isn’t THAT much of blunting the tip but for newbies who need it to slide in easily I can see it being unsettling. >>77536000Switch to daily bro less volume>>77536048I havent had it be an issue wear thicker shirts (winter is coming) or just baggier shirts. If you wear smalls as a large you are compensating.
>>77536240I wear x large but the fits aren't always the same. And i dont like baggy clothes either.
>>77536240So daily pins are better even though the total weekly volume will be the same in the end?
>>77536248You'll want to rotate spots, but yes. Left lat, right lat, left delt, right delt, left quad, right quad, left glute, right glute, repeat
>>77534943The only guys this happens with is either people who were low T to begin with or delusional autoandrophilic trannies who get off to the thought of their own masculinities.
This is going to sound like it comes out of nowhere but>Take steroids>Normalfags find out>"Couldn't you do it properly? Embarrassing etc">Take mounjaro>Normalfags find out>"That's great! More people should take it!"Why are normalfags like this? I'm not knocking anyone for any choices they make, but don't act like they aren't different sides of the same coin.
Should I try to pin triceps
>>77536274FINALLY someone who knows ball. Been saying this for years to people and they never listen. Do daily injections rotated across at least 6 injection sites and you're gravy. It's just so much better and easier to control/monitor everything rather than injecting like twice a week.
>>77536396Why? No. There is a million other spots you should or can do easier than triceps. Can you? Yeah but you can also pin in your gooch too want to do that?
>>77536396Don’t listen to these other faggots, triceps are great. While I’m at it here is the DEFINITIVE tier list for pinning locations:S-Tier: pec, lat, ventrogluteA-Tier: tricep, quad, rear deltB-Tier: anterior delt, traps, bicep, dorsogluteF-Tier: side delt, calf, subcutaneous (lmao)
>>77536592My experience was different, ventroglutes gave me PIP which spread to my hip joint and made walking painfulS-Tier LatsA-Tier Glutes, TrapsB-Tier Quads, PecsF-Tier VentroglutesNever pinned other sites including delts
>>77536607Sorry bud, I already said my list is definitive.In all seriousness though, I’ve found that some sites, like quads and VG, have really tight tolerances as to where you have to pin to avoid pip. I have three good spots on each quad that are great but if I pin anywhere outside of them I get pip. Lats I can pretty much just slam it in wherever as long as I don’t go too high up.
>>77536592>pecAren’t you afraid of needle marks there? I feel like there’s a reason that’s not considered a common area
>>77536622Yeah I might try ventroglute again but as far awat from the hip as I can, since it was easy peasy apart from that. Wish every site was as simple as lats
>>77536642I’ve never once had needle marks from roids. What gauge needle are you using? This isn’t like banging fent into a vein dude, there shouldn’t be anything at your injection site besides maybe a drop of blood right when you remove the needle.
>>77536652I pin daily with 23g only because I accidentally bought 100 of them. Going to 25 when they’re gone. I don’t have anything crazy just little holes that stay for a few days
>>77536592How do you even pin rear delts by yourself
>>77536687Grab the elbow of the hand you’re holding the syringe with and pull it as far across your body as you can. Hold the barrel with your thumb and middle finger and push the plunger with your index finger. The bigger you get the harder it is.
>>77536332who gives a fuck what normalfags think? why is this taking up space in your mind
>>77536657brother they are dirt cheap and available, why would you pin with 23.
>>77536687i've seen some youtuber show leaning into a wall with his opposite shoulder to push the syringe holding arm to the injecting shoulder
I wonder if bodybuilding will explode in popularity now that the hardest part is tutorial difficulty with GLP-1 agonists
>>77537114are you talking about lucasegolifts? lmfao
>>77537754Lucas is king of fit and only entertaining thing in online fitness in the last 10yrs since the end of The DRM, Rich Piana and the Bloach
>>77537458the hardest part has always been putting on muscle not removing the fat
>>77537754i don't know I googled "how to pin rear delts" a few months ago and clicked a video.
He’s not wrong
>>77538490>woman is a stupid woman and gets hit>doesnt want to leave due to stupidity of being a womanfoids fault not his he should leave her
>>77530457any recommendations that are not metal gear fag shit?
How to avoid roid gut ?
>>77539151Don’t do Hgh?
>>77539160Whoa, I am enlightened
I hate water retention in my face during a blast, will these help or are they a meme?
>>77539333there's nothing magical about those, just use a spoon. they do remove water from your face but if you're bloating use an ai and do cardio
>>77539333Just using your fingers works just as well as those things. In fact, using your fingers/hands works better. Save your money lad.
>>77539386Ok fine Ill do fucking cardio jeez (I hate it)
>he does cardioNGMI
>>77538490>If I gained any more weight he'd dump melarping aside, if she's fat enough to repel someone with tren psychosis like that she is too fat
I am thinking about to buy growth hormone I am 35 yo I am skinny but have gyno, what should expect from injecting growth hormone? Will my balls grow or only my boobs?
Tbol vs Anavar
>>77539855Just take HCG
Testosterone.
>>77540719DHT
>bodybuilding coach wants me to buy overpriced Anavar from him or else he wont train with meShould I cut him off ?
should i stop topical fin if i start deca
I am on TRT and my provider offers me 30 days of Winstrol (Stanozolol) 30mg about once every four months. Any recommendations on how to dose it for max benefits and minimized side effects? The first time they gave it to me, I just took it daily as instructed, but I didn't love the side effects.
>>77541056I took 25mg once and it fucked up my lipids and cholesterol, be careful it is a very harsh oral
Can tren permanently alter your brain chemistry? I'm cruising on 250 test and I am mr. jealous, obsessive guy. Actually it wasn't even this bad on tren.
I don’t want to take a rest day anymore
>>77541056Never used it personally, but have seen lot's of people say negative things about it here over the years. Proceed with caution.
>>77541073Kind of? I was already a possessive territorial boyfriend and after tren it made it worse but I know it and try my best to not be, its still there but I can sort of ignore it better than while on Tren.
>>77541073He took tren and thought it wouldn't permanently fuck him.
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>>77541312Yeah me too but I have that signature tren retroactive jealousy combined with the obsessive thoughts. My gf wasn't even a whore I was way worse. The only thing that's kept me from bringing it up is she auto wins because my promiscuity made her life hell lol
>>77532552Hey friend. What would you do in my situation? Honest question.I want to have kids. I'm 38 and my parents are probably going to die within the next 10 years. I have no family members outside of them. No cousins, siblings, neices, nephews, uncles, aunts. It's gonna just be me. Is it impossible to have kids on TRT? This week has been the first time my dick as felt alive in years. Waking up with mild boners and jerking off is actually pleasurable.
