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I love tren but it is not as good as the memes make it seem.
>>77541381What's it like? I always opt for deca during the winter blasts and too pussy to run tren during the summer... maybe next summer before going to the beach I will
>>77541384
Does "recomping" work when blasting?If I eat maintenance calories and workout hard will I build muscle and lose fat or is it a waste of time?
>>77541384Tren is what you thought test would be before you took it.
Bros. I am so close. You've heard from me before. I am down from almost 45%bf to 28%. I went through a orchiectomy and a major surgery in south america and was prescribed Undecanoate. It costs me $15 for 1000ml. I bought a few on docs orders but after reading up, I decided to work on getting my BF% down more.I am plateauing. I am mid fast right now to break it but I am 5'11" vascilating between 205 and 195lbs. I can't get over the hump. I got my bloods done and everything is in normal range but my Test is low normal. Can I start 250 Undecanoate a week and 250 Cypionate? That was recommended to me here. I just want to break this plateu and smash fat bottom latinas. Help. Ex gf for gratitude.
>>77541384>>77541482This is a great way to put it, yeah it is basically what you expected “steroids” to be as a kid. Sides are many and shredded as fuck.
I liek anavar
>>77541569do a trt dose + reta or tirz until you get down to 18-20% before you start blasting
>>77541569I agree with >>77541685 You really need to get down to 15% minimum before blasting. You’re making great progress but frankly 28% is still fat as shit. 15% is pretty much the maximum to start a blast in the condition you’re in now, you don’t really have any muscle to lose so go as low as you can and once you’re skinny you’ll gain back anything you lose plus some with a nice blast. Keep up the good work though. Also, if you’re not lifting already start now so you can actually make some gains on cycle..
I’m retarded can somebody answer this? The physique winner in the Olympia weighed 200 lb. The ifbb weight cap is 209. Is he really the reigning champ under the weight cap or am I missing new rules? How do you get 1st 9 lb under weight cap?
>>77541482I won't evee run tren again. Just cruising on some test having fun.But this sums it up.Test isn't that dramatic. But tren really is at 300+/w
>>77542147>I won't evee run tren againy not?
>>77542363nta but for me it's the fatigue. I don't really get the mental sides other than being impatient and a bit of a cunt at 600+. But the first month or so on tren I could sleep all day everyday. Plus tren makes cutting difficult because of the carb cravings. I will literally stand in the pantry just staring at chips and bread I want carbs so bad. I won't even be on a low carb diet and after my first hard sets in the gym I can taste the ketones on my breath. I like the way I look on tren but it's maybe 5% better than testosterone+a DHT. My wife doesn't even like it when I'm low bf and on tren she thinks it's too freaky.
>>77542363Not worth it man. You can build plenty on a little test. Given ofc that you aren't already at max capacity, but let's be real 95% of people who run tren don't necessarily need it to progress further. They do it because they're fukken trenheads who love the (transient) trenking feelingI can handle it at a proper test:tren ratio where most psychological sides subside, but fuck even then it's too harsh on the body.As for deca, it makes me uber depressed... likely a prolactin/progesterone issue but man I'm never touching that shit again
>>77541325What would you do in my situation? Honest question.I've been on HCG for the last 6 month or so to get my balls to recover. My dick was dead for years while i was in prison. My dick is finally feeling better and I was thinking of hopping on TRT. However, I want to have kids. I'm 38 and my parents are probably going to die within the next 10 years. I have no family members outside of them. No cousins, siblings, neices, nephews, uncles, aunts. It's gonna just be me.Is it impossible to have kids on TRT? This week has been the first time my dick as felt alive in years. Waking up with mild boners and jerking off is actually pleasurable again.
>>77542718Kill yourself you dysgenic, infertile niggerWorld would be a better place if your bloodline ended with you xD
When do I measure blood pressure? After waking up in the morning fasted and rested?Because I'm caffeinated as fuck after that all day long
>>77542718Go to a fertility doctor nigger?
I bought test from the #1 US seller on Eroids and people on Meso are say they sell underdosed shit. Are there good US sellers on Meso that aren't on Eroids?pic real it's my gf
>>77542900#3 us on eroids is my new go-to. bought from them on a wednesday and shit was delivered that friday.
>>77542718Just stay on hCG dummy. What is your current hCG dose?
>>77542718Bro I knocked up my exgf on 525mg tren ace/w when she missed the pill ONE FUCKING DAY lol. Thought I was sterile from all the gear use but apparently (sadly) not.Ran HCG alongside it because I wanted more cum + ball size, which certainly contributed to it.But yes bro. Hcg is magical in that aspect you will be able to have kids as long as u maintain ur balls somewhat
>>77542768Morning immediately after waking up no coffee no water nothing. >>77542905West coast shippers are like top 5 on eroids, the Bio one ships from FL and gets here in 3 days its nice.
>>77542900Yea I feel like Meso is the go to but there's also a lot of shills in threads and sourcing attacking other sources in the comments so you gotta do some reading and figure it out yourself
why do i have to stop taking anavar?
>>77543290HDL and SHBG crash really badly for meAnd if you dont supplement taurine and electrolytes you get random painful cramps
Is ugl accutane legit? Don’t want to go to derma seems like a huge hassle
>>77543393>Don’t want to go to derma seems like a huge hassleretard
touchdown
>>77542911feeling good at 1000iu a week
>>77541325Is there anything that won't screw up my HPA?
>>77543883Just don't short the speaker outputs, and match the speaker impedance and you won't screw up your High Power Amplifier
>>77543009Pretty sure the hcg countered the sterilizing effect of tren.If you were blasting tren with 0 hcg you could've fucked 1000 fertile women raw, and none of them would've got pregnant from you. But hcg completely reverses that.
>>77544090Most definitely, no doubts about it. But the guy is worried about "le perma sterilization" from exogenous test, which is bullshit imho. There are plenty of lifestyle protocols for reviving your swimmers (most of it comes down to removing environmental toxins), so never lose hope frens
Anyone here done Clomid by itself? I'm planning on doing 50mg a day with HCG and DHEA since it raises test without any major crash. I got off a test cycle recently and the crash made me think: "never again. Is this a good idea? I still feel fucked despite my bloods showing my T levels are fine.
>>77543646300-500 IU every other day is great dose that'll give you everything you want. I'd just stay on hCG and adjust the dose if necessary.
>>77544315hCG is suppressive, don't use that if you're T levels are on their way back to normal. Plenty of people have used/use enclomiphene / clomid solo, but most eventually stop due to side effects. In your case, I'd say try Tamoxifen 5mg daily for month or two, it'll very likely get you feeling back to normal and completely restore your normal hormone production, you can add some enclo / clomid into that mix too if you want, but watch out for eye side effects.
>>77544315I don't think the increase in testosterone caused by Clomid is enough to build muscle mass
>>77541421"Workout" is a noun, not a verb.
>>77544496didnt ask
>>77543646That's LOW
>>77544498Learn English you little brown idiot.
>>77541421I mean it does 'work' in the long run but you're wasting time, health, and gear.The results will be very underwhelming, mediocre at best. Big Paul always says in his vids he doesn't know anyone who got big eating at maint. You gotta eat big to get big
>>77543531Thoughts on adding goybolone to my stack?
>>77543393yes
>>77543646>>77544457What does IU mean? How many units is that on my insulin syringe?
>>77541325Ronnie Coleman
Has anyone seen a clear benefit from more tren than test or vice versa? I see so many people adamant about one or the other and no clear consensus
I’m 40 with 10%bf and in decent shape but have been feeling like shit in the gym over the last year. Had bloodwork done for first time in a decade and everything is not just in-range but ideal… except total test is 350.Do I start cruising on test? What’s the best course of action here? Kind just want to start blasting test C but I’m worried that 6 months from now I’ll be tired of sticking needles in myself.
>>77544988Molesting yourself with needles is a small price to pay if you want to look dirt nasty
>>77544579What if I want to get ripped tho? Mog natties and sound credible to guillable chicks when I tell them I'm also natty.Should I bulk, then cut, then smash puss?
>>77544849The test:tren ratio pretty much determines whether you get raped by psychological sides or not.One needs to be ~2x the other imo. So1:2 T:Tr or 2:1. You won't get better gains, diminishing returns are real on AAS and the effects are temporary. Look to GH if you wish to increase hyperplasia.But more test will swell you up during a cut>>77545042Suck a nigger dick you fucking retard
>>77544849I prefer lower test higher tren. The e2 swings seem to hit harder on tren. Like the only time I felt like a psycho was when my e2 got too high
>>77545054>I'm gay so everybody should be gayNo, thanks, fag. Enjoy your aids
>>77544988If you don't want to commit to needles you can try enclomiphene, it'll definitely boost your T. Try 25mg every three days.
>>77545067>>77545054Thanks senpai. I was on 700 test solo but since adding in tren im gonna lower that
>>77544500I know the difference between work out and workout but I like to say workout to trigger Redditors such as yourself.
>>77545360Glad to hear desu. Going that high on test is completely unnecessary with tren in the mix.What dosage and ester are you planning on running, frequency of injections, and what's the goal of the cycle fren?
>>77545417I’ve been doing 700 test/week pinned ed for 10 weeks and 200 tren ace/week pinned ed for five days for a bulk cycle. It’s my first time with tren so I’m gonna stay 200-300 at most and see what happens. No sides from either yet
>>77545616How has your experience been so far? 5 days isn't much and if it's ur first time after having it hyped for so long I understand it if u wanna brush me off.But bulking on tren is foolish as it's profile is that of a clear cutting agent and just introducing it will skyrocket your metabolism. I've done it myself many times as a novice, and comparatively made so much better gains on proper bulking compounds like EQ/Nandrolone at a fraction of the health cost.I know trenheads who literally have it in their stack 247 and while they may be jacked, they really aren't that muscular for the reason stated above, you must eat big to get big, and that's hard to do qhen your metabolism goes through the roof on a bulk. Metrics like weight go out the window and you're really just tossing a coin at that point and will likely end up near maint, which will build muscle but not nearly as much. The only times it's really advised in a bulking cycle is toward the end when you're getting a bit fatter, and then it's at lower dosages of 75-150
>>77545887Thanks for the feedback bro, I appreciate it. So far it's been great, it's making me sleep like a baby and my muscles feel more tight and efficient both during workouts and in regular life. No mass gains in five days obvs but some strength gains are becoming apparent. I do look tighter and slightly more defined already.It's so hard when starting a compound for the first time because you can google it for hours and get every opinion/experience under the sun. My ultimate goal with a cycle is just to look better by the end of it than I did at the start, so even if this turns into more of a minor recomp than a mass builder I'll be happy and it'll finally be nice to see how my body handles tren.I'm gonna have a think the next few days if I should maybe alter my cycle goals since it's still early or just stick with the bulk idea and see what I can pull off and make it a learning experience.
>>77546045Glad to hear you aren't experiencing the most notorious side (night terrors) yet. At 5 days in ace serum concentrations hit near peak stability. But even tho the blood levels are stabilized, downstream physiological shifts take 1-3w to accumulate, so don't jinx it lol...You'll feel the (transient) TRENKING feeling for a while until one day, one minor little trivial thing fucks your day completely.. But then 200mg is a relatively low dose that many tolerate well, you may not experience the real sides. Make sure to keep us updated!How long are you planning on running it? Honestly man, it sounds like you just wanted to try tren, which is understandable and you'll have to make up your own mind about it. Myself im biased because it fucks your bloods completely and doesn't warrant use outside of competitive bb imo. Health is the currency we're paying with here. It dictates whether we can keep going or have to retreat to (boring) baseline, and comparatively a tren cycle is very costly.Idk your current stats but assuming you're already lean (10%) continue your trenbulk. If you aren't sub 12 then definitely use this time to CUT down and prime ur body, because the cosmetic effects are temporary if anything and this is your time to literally ride the tide all the way home.Then stop at 6w for a bridging period reset lipids get bloods and then go on a proper bulking blast! Most motherfuckers tend to exceed the 6-8w mark because tren is the real 'alpha' shit kids thought test was. but DONT. You only wanted to dip your toes and see how your body reacts, remember that bro!
Tbol good for aggression and strength?
Should I take 6.25mg enclo while taking 15mg ostarine a day in addition to using it to PCT after or not take any during the cycle and just use it to PCT after?
>>77541325Terst
What do I do on a shoulder focused push day? One exercise for each delt head, some light bench pressing, a triceps exercise, anything else?
>>77541325Do you guys think peptides actually work?I mean, would an average person really see changes after an Ipamorelin cycle?I get the impression that the peptide influencers are just using steroids
>>77546634I wouldn’t even bother hitting anterior head unless you don’t bench or db press at all. The anterior head gets a ton of activation from those and is relatively overdeveloped in most people compared to the medial and posterior heads. I it were me I’d say an overhead press (BB, DB or machine) and a raise for medial head (I like cable y-raises), a tricep exercise and then some face pulls and rear delt flys but idk how to program it to be push specific. I also like to end with db lateral raises starting as heavy as I can and doing drop sets all the way down to 10 lbs.
>>77546658I literally can’t believe there are people that are this stupid.Yes, no, yes if you actually care
