>>77544137
But the picture shows that it makes your chest red.

>>77544137
Probably not enough rom for your body. I have to go deep as shit on db bench with an steeper than 30 degree incline to feel anything in the upper bands of the sternal head. Chest and shoulders are probably the 2 groups that require the most trial and error and personalization to really come together without roids. Unlike long femurs most of the stuff that will make you build or not build chest well from compounds doesn't really show much unless you're measuring someone's sternum relative to their clavicle

>>77544143
He had a red chest before he started

>>77544137
Try sth completely different: hook wide rubber on forearm near elbow and press/pull down and across body from above
this solved the pec issues for me, there's only one caveat - scapula has got to be held down, not retracted to spine but pulled down
otherwise it's gonna be delt and traps and in a bad way

>>77544137
>>77544143
>>77544147
quit lying stupid fucking moron.

if you don't "feel" anything just add real weights, 315 lbs is good to start

>>77544137
whatever version of the machine this is that lets you bring your hands together out in front of your chest is the best of these, just set it to the first setting for rdfs and go.

>>77544776
kill yourself retarded polish bot

Lever machines don't fit everyone which is why there are dumbbells and cables. Dumbbells and cables allow often for much more natural motion.

Barbells though freer still have some of the problems of fix machines. Where the natural motion for an upper body motion often requires the hands to converge or diverge, barbells force the hands into fixed widths which do not allow for a full range of natural movement.

My gym literally has 7 different chest press machines from 3 different manufacturers and every single one of them is hardest at lockout. It sucks ass.

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>>77544143
Does that mean the Alex Jones build is achievable without his supplements?

I like that it allows you to go to absolute failure, until you can't even move the weight even in though the beginning of the lift is the easiest part. It's hit or miss but I've gotten unforgettable pumps on it.

It's insane the best chest machine I've ever used is the matrix one at PF

Heavy as shit considering it only goes up to like 240 and it's easiest at top

>>77545327
No the issue is you start from the bottom. You need shit to start from the end of rom or else you will not be doing what you probably want to be doing. Also man up and use freeweights more they make you denser and have a higher skill cieling which is enough for me to prefer.

>>77544454
quite the opposite
do a lighter weight with higher reps (30-40) to trigger MTM connection

>>77547238
You're both so fucking stupid you should be sterilized for the safety of the species

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>using machines

>>77544137
How much can you even incline though?

>>77544137
You are maxing it out so hard that it does nothing?

>>77544454
The weights mean nothing it is a lever at an angle

>>77544137
Machine fags always set the machines improperly for their bodies
Even the graphic has the machine set wrong
The seat should be higher making the handles lower relative to his shoulders so he can get full recruitment of his pecs
He should also be slightly arching/pulling his shoulders down so the tension stays in his pecs and not his cuffs or deltz

>>77547455
>>77547238

nah retarded faggot, just load with weights (315 lbs) and comeback with pics and all, until then don't talk to me again or comment here

stupid fucking morons

>>77544137
once you max out the plate stack you add plates to the handles

>>77544137
There was a jacked roided guy who owned a gym I used to go to, and this was literally the ONLY exercise he was ever seen doing.