For moral/ethical reasons I’ve decided to stop consuming meat, eggs and dairy products, but I’m not sure how it’s going to impact my gains. Any vegans here want to share your experience?
>>77548293I am not opposed to murdering pigs, cows, chickens, etc but the vids of them living in fluorescent lit shit warehouses is alarming
>>77548293I've never understood this reasoning>for moral and ethical reasons im going to hurt myself instead of buying better quality meat
>>77548293You'll cope for a while with pea protein, nuts, tofu, beans and lentils but soon realise it's a tonne of effort to get enough protein and not fulfillingEventually you'll become small and weak, best bet is to become a calisthenicsfag or a roonfag
>>77548328The quality isn’t really a factor. Even your local organic farm is committing atrocious animal abuse. Even eggs require male chicks to be shredded.
>>77548293TVP and it's siblings is all you need to replace meat. Make sure you don't skyrocket your fiber consumption too quick or else it may make you feel bloated. Look for vegan alternatives for stuff you eat right now so you aren't making too drastic of a change.
The damage caused by insecticides, pesticides, deforestation, monoculture specialization, slaughter of wild life, literal human slavery for nuts / cacao, and self-harm associated with dietary abstention, relative to grass-fed beef which produces millions of calories from a single comfy cow perspective (provided non-ritualistic practices), suggests that veganism isn't harm reducing. Both animals and plants are conscious, and neither want to be exploited or eaten.
>>77548416fruit is literally made to be eaten
>>77548417You too.
>>77548293did you know when they harvest, bunnies, rats bugs and everything else get chopped up, not to mention plants scream when you injure them? what about animals that eat meat, usually while still alive? i also respect animals but you can take anything to a retarded level
>>77548293I have been vegan 20 years but I am a noob to lifting so cant comment much there. I have been very active in other areas (i.e. skiing, cycling, etc) long term and tend to be in better shape than the vast majority of other skiers, cyclists, etc I encounter.I suggest watching the documentary called The Game Changers, I think you will like it. It is about vegan athletes. I have not watched it yet but heard great things about it, I think it includes weightlifters and/or bodybuilders but not positive.There are plenty of /fit/ as fuck vegans such as Patrik Boubamian (was, maybe still is, world record holder for loglifting and was strongest man in Germany before retiring, or so I've heard), Torre Washington, etcFor general nutrition and health info not specifically about gainz, pcrm.org and nutritionfacts.org and What The Health (documentary) are all bretty gud.More important than anything else of course is stay committed to being vegan because that's so much more important than you or me or our personal lives, but absolutely you can make gainz as a vegan.Protip: Super firm tofu - the kind in soft clear plastic package in the refrigerated section - has 70+ grams protein and tastes good as fuck. Dont get the shit in the hard white plastic package, that kind has half the protein and does not taste as good.>>77548310Thats where 98% of meat, milk, and eggs in the US come from. But even if they were treated "nicely" does that justify murder?
>>77548330>going full retardIts really not hard at all. If you do find it hard there is vegan protein powder but for most people its easy to get plenty of protein as a vegan without any supplements
>>77548706protein is not a single thing, and plants except onions are incomplete. you will load up on so much xenoestrogens you will be fighting against nature in every way. Not to mention loss of bowel control, and for what? You know you want a cheeseburger, every vegan item in the store is a meat substitute, I have never even heard of a plant substitute
>>77548416>Both animals and plants are consciousMost reasonable Carnist.
>>77548729smoke some salvia and get back to me
This is the best video so far I have seen about this topic. You should remember that everything you already know about human diet was told to you, and may not necessarily be true.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJV_ZY6rXo8&t=568s
>>77548416We could feed the world if there was less meat consumption, as it is a water and crop intensive process. You also don't know if wild land is better than mono-culture (which we would need less of in a Vegan world); there might actually be more death in a square of wildland, than there are cropdeaths in a square of mono culture.The self harm thing is also retarded. Someone should not be so mentally ill that they literally can't control their diet reasonably. Human slavery is also bad, but the answer begins at making it illegal in the West and tighter immigration control, not a boycott of food stuff that may be implicated, but not is not part of their nature to be exploitative. It is inherent to animal products to have exploitation, and is more like buying a sex slave's time.
>>77548724>xenoestrogensWrong term, phytoestrogens; you have no evidence that it is harmful in people. Actual estrogen exists in animal products. >Not to mention loss of bowel controlWhy do you think this?
>>77548653Holy fuck it's like the vegan buzzword olympics with this post>did you know when they harvest, bunnies, rats bugs and everything else get chopped upPic related>Not to mention plants scream when you injure them?No they don't. Thats like saying your phone screams when it gets too hot and the battery hisses. Plants don't have nervous systems and cannot experience suffering.>what about animals that eat meatWhat about animals who rape? Should we no longer make rape illegal because we get out morals from braindead fucking animals?
>>77548724I never eat meat substitutes. Vegans are at far lower risk of nearly every terminal illness. Protein comes from plants, it is in animal products because animals eat plants. Animal products are high in estrogen, phytoestrogen does not have the same effect on humans as estrogen.
>>77548724>and plants except onions are incompleteDoesn't matter unless you're eating less than 100g per day. Even horrible plant protein sources show zero difference between animal proteins after 100g per day. >you will load up on so much xenoestrogens you will be fighting against nature in every wayWhat even is this argument lmao. Your very existence in the modern world is fighting against nature. >Not to mention loss of bowel control????> I have never even heard of a plant substituteThere are entire carnivore YouTube channels dedicated to making animal based versions of plant foods. But generally people don't cut out plants unless they are retarded.
>>77548293are you going to stop using cars/plastic and the byproducts of modern industry because the might require the burning of dead dinosaurs
>>77548762Don't bother manAs soon as the argument gets warped into a muh ethics claim there's no point in continuing because now its a religious diatribeYou may as well just turn it into /pol/ tier shitflinging after that.
>>77548842>being this retarded
>>77548882you're promulgating the industry you're against by accepting the labor sustained by eaters of meat
>>77548701>I have been vegan 20 years but I am a noob to liftingI'm sorry to hear that veganism and dyelhood seemed to correlate.......
>>77548293are you/would you be ethically against the slaughter of animals or non-vegan consumption of milk from animals which you humanely raised
>>77549065New to lifting is better than >90% of men who don't lift at all, fucking retard. You were new too.
>>77549070Not OP, but yes. I have never had much empathy for anyone including animals. It is just an objective fact that if I hate injustice done against myself, my only recourse is at times holding myself to ethical standards.The evil begins at the needless killing of another, even if that person is a retard. Milk is a product of rape, and the mothers that produce the milk have their children taken from them. This is the only way milk can present in the American diet, unless one is in a hare krishna like cult, but even then, it would still be very rare.It risks prostate and breast cancer due to the mammalian estrogen in it.
>>77549113You can now call yourself a vegan natty bodybuilder congratulations
>>77549157thanks
>>77548653>starts eating more vegetables>>>77548764>thinks their body developed a sense of taste for no reason
>>77549161>making decisions on tastebrb eating a bunch of fatty sugary shit and deep fried human babies
>>77549163>purely fattening foods are always bad as if gaining any fat is unhealthy>you need to eat more while lifting anyways and protein tastes way better than carbs most of the time>eating so much meat not only prevents you from building maximally because of carbs, but can also cause your metabolism to slow like with keto if the studies are right and aren't a surface layer lack of insulin activity>msgAs far as I know it's basically salt but makes me feel weird so I just make sure I never don't have any also because it is unique and tastes good>fried foodsPractice vs theory also you get way more sick of it than a balanced diet and actually sick, try just adding any oil to your diet in such amounts.>sugary is badI didn't even think to respond to how someone could think eating high glycemic carbs is bad for lifting but then I remembered they'd also probably eat a bunch of candy, lift amd deplete their glycogen, then eat only protein and then their muscle gain is bottlenecked by their carbs.
>it's another "vegan starts a thread and talks to himself pretending to be multiple people to shill his eating disorder"Dude get a life. Nobody gives a shit about your cult anymore. The fad is dead.They're not paying celebrities to promote it anymore. All the big influencers shut down their channels. Most fake meat companies went bankrupt. It's over. Just be normal before veganism kills you or does irreparable damage to you.
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>>77549161>veggies are yucky!
>>77549129>milk is the product of rapeOh shit, he's actually become a lobotomized vegetableYou really are what you eat
>>77548293nothing else matters but hitting your macros, it's not as fucking hard as people make it out to be. Get a quality multivitamin or drink Huel if you're lazy.
>>77548764>meat subsitutesyou might not, every other vegan does>lower risk of terminal illnessesthis is the first ive heard of that, starving to death would be my concern and you are probubly lying>protein from plantslol>phyroestrogenvegans are the most moody femine people on the planet, especially the menwhy not go somewhere else to perform this crusade you got going? you arent swaying anyone, this is a health board and veganism is a psudoreligion of starving
>>77549193>>77549194>>77549563It is always N=1 with the retorts.Are non-Vegan Carnist just retarded?
>>77549389https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=si-1Cc_h854What else is it? Can you rape a dog?
>>77548376>5 grams of fiber for just 13 grams of protein.>All you need to replace meat.Enjoy getting 80g of fiber a day. I'm sure nothing bad would happen
>>77548293I want to eat that vegan ass.
