There are NO health benefits to eating meat, only detriments. Meat consumption causes atherosclerotic plaque to build up in your veins, which is the mechanistic cause of>stroke>diabetes>heart disease>heart attacksMeat has heavy metals in it which causes alzheimers and dementia.Meat has hormones and germs in it. People get sick from food poisoning so frequently it's retarded.Meat fucks up your gut microbiome, causes inflammation, and makes you hungrier than you would be if you ate something healthy instead, calorie for calorie.Notice that over the course of dozens if not hundreds of threads, ketolards and murdervores have failed to produce even ONE (1) study which shows a benefit to consuming more meat ceteris paribus. This is due to the abject nature of ketolards, which, combined with their immoral and unscientific behaviour, makes them retarded. Let's all pray for their arteries, along with the billions of farm animals they continue to genocide.
>>77571520every vegan i know looks like death
This kills the CICOjeet.>But wait, isn’t weight loss just about eating less and moving more? I mean, isn’t a calorie a calorie? That’s what the food industry wants you to think. The notion that a calorie from one source is just as fattening any other is a trope broadcast by the food industry as a way to absolve itself of culpability. Coca-Cola itself even put an ad out there emphasizing this “one simple common-sense fact.” As the current and past chairs of Harvard’s nutrition department put it, this “central argument” from industry is that the “overconsumption of calories from carrots would be no different from overconsumption of calories from soda….” If a calorie is just a calorie, why does it matter what we put in our mouths? Let’s explore that example of carrots versus Coca-Cola. It’s true that in a tightly controlled laboratory setting, 240 calories of carrots (10 carrots) would have the same effect on calorie balance as the 240 calories in a bottle of Coke, but this comparison falls flat on its face out in the real world. You could chug those liquid candy calories in less than a minute, but eating 240 calories of carrots would take you more than two-and-a-half hours of sustained constant chewing. [Laughing] Not only would your jaw get sore, but 240 calories of carrots is like five cups—you might not even be able to fit them all in.
Is veganschizo and trooned out wog the same person?Neither of them literally do not go outside.
>>77571526You don't know Alex Honnold?
>>77571533I dont hang out with twinks
>>77571528Trooned out wog? Ketolards are inventing trannies to schizo out about now instead of addressing their immoral and unscientific behaviour?
>>77571535yep. You are 38 and in Australia. I knew it!
>>77571544So I'm a tranny now? And this proves meat is healthy....?
>>77571526This. I knew a vegan girl in college. She is currently dying of what can only be described as "everything". Skeletally thin, looks like death (used to be pretty), she claims her health problems are caused by two viruses which are basically common herpes and the flu. Her body can't fight it off for ~some reason~. She refuses to blame the veganism. She is apparently cycling through doctors but none of them can help her. She is being tight lipped on social media about just what they are saying, but last I heard from her she was ditching mainstream medicine and going to some sort of vegan herbal medicine quackery instead.
>>77571533Oh yeah the greatest pound for pound rock climber/ free climber in the entire world is CERTAINLY not an outlier and should definitely be considered with the rest of the normal people with kids and a stupid job and a car payment bro most people want to literally kill themselves rofl...
>>77571570>making up a girl with an eating disorder means I HAVE TO MURDER FLUFFY ANIMALS TO ABSORB THEIR NUTRIENTSketocel logic
>>77571592>what about *cherry picks or hallucinates anecdotal evidence *>ok ketolard, what about Alex honnold>NO THAT'S CHERRY PICKING!good thing we have studies and observational data that shows the general trend of vegans being healthier, and we don't have to rely on ketolard anecdotes
>>77571526You don't know anyone in the real world.
>>77571606they are real to me
>>77571599Keto is stupid too bro I just eat normal like a non retard
>>77571629"Normal" in the US = obese murdervore = ketolard.
>>77571570Weird, vegans have the longest life expectancy and most normal body weight of any dietary group. Nice anecdote/hallucination, ketolard, I'm sure in your head you think this means you've proven meat is healthy (it isn't).
>>77571630To be frank and total honest vegans are superior because they reject biology they say to God, no I cannot participate in this cycle to the best of their ability. It's quite admirable and solid ethics we should ALL be vegan. But I certainly won't and I will continue to feast on meat and as I say that I already feel sick. (): but I love it .
>>77571527>10 carrots>more than two-and-a-half hours of sustained constant chewing I mean I'm willing to go along with your argument but this is just nonsense
>>77571635>60 baby carrotsChatGPT says 45-90 minutes. If you actually chew them properly. Obviously you could just swallow them like pills if you wanted to
>WATCH: How Big Meat Manipulated the Sciencehttps://youtube.com/watch?v=mQBkAGCxgboWhy are ketolards so easily manipulated?>“Participants in the Women’s Health Initiative reduced meat intake modestly, resulting in a modest reduction in mortality related to breast cancer. This finding in no way supports the notion that there is ‘No need to reduce red or processed meat consumption for good health.’ Rather, it shows that modest dietary changes yield modest benefits.” “As an analogy, if studies showed that modest reductions in tobacco use yielded only modest health benefits, it would be inaccurate and dangerous to suggest that there is ‘No need to reduce tobacco use for good health.’” “To say that small increases in meat consumption only cause small increases in the risk of disease doesn’t mean that eating meat is good for you. That’s like saying that smoking 24 cigarettes a day increases your risk of lung cancer only a little more than smoking 20 cigarettes a day [being careful not to include any studies that compared smoking 24 to smoking none], and then erroneously concluding that smoking isn’t that bad for your health.”Despite all that, despite ignoring evidence, excluding evidence, the meat panel “nonetheless found entirely consistent, clinically meaningful, statistically significant adverse effects of eating more meat and processed meat on all-cause mortality, on cardiovascular disease, on cancer, and on diabetes. That they did so despite the obstacles they put on the path to this finding is nearly incredible, and directly bespeaks the magnitude of adverse effects of meat and processed meat intake on health.”Based on their meta-analyses of large cohorts, dietary patterns with, again, just a moderate reduction in red and processed meat consumption were associated with lower total mortality by 13 percent, lower CVD mortality by 14 percent, lower cancer mortality by 11 percent, and a 24 percent reduced risk of type 2 diabetes.
Eat a vegetable. NOW.
>>77571520>>77571630>murdervoreOh my fucking god it's this schizo retard again making "muh science says" shit up to cover his morale obsession with eating meat. Get a fucking life dude.
>>77571680>making "muh science says" shit upI made up the entire field of nutrition?>to cover his morale obsession with eating meatMoral*. Why can't ketolards like you defend your immoral and unscientific behaviours rather than projecting your inferiority? Is it because the science is unanimous that meat is unhealthy and you know murder is wrong, despite being a murdervore?
>>77571685Didn't read. Kill yourself, no one will miss you. You know this.
>>77571701>ketolard "intellectuals"
>>77571701Where does your murderous rage come from? Do you torture small animals for fun? Do you ever feel guilty for your murderous actions and intent?
Ketolard status?
>>77571853It seems the ketolards have all fled, thereby conceding the debate by default. Another victory for the Gregerite Army!
>>77571520No. Being American is unhealthy.
>>77571634How is admitting that you are weak superior?
>>77572021Americans have the 4th highest meat consumption in the world, ketolard.
>>77572039Talking about "meat" on absolute terms without considering which meat and how it's raised, if it's given hormones, if it's transformed, etc, is just a fucking dumb a biased piece of "data".Maybe those fat fucks don't need to rinse every piece of meat they eat with sprite and to finish a meal with cake and a frappuccino. And to drive a car to do 200m (218 yards).I'm a European chad btw, lean, I eat meat, fish, dairy, bread, wine, everything. Not keto because of the roooning.Mutts just have unhealthy lifestyles OVERALL and meat QUALITY is only a part of the equation.
>>77572047Ah and I forgot. Maybe just don't eat 3 times the normal quantities of meat every fucking meal you get and you won't transform into a fatass slob. I don't get why Americans struggle so much with moderation.
>>77572021>>77572039>>77572047>>77572049Two obsessed, shit looking faggots, arguing. Hilarious.
>>77571526>n=1>has never heard of Lewis Hamilton, Diana Taurasi, Meagan Duhamel, Scott Jurek, Carl Lewis, Patrik Baboumian, Kendrick Farris, Novak Djokovic, Venus Williams>IG is choke-full of fitness influencers with great bodiesAlso this is a pic of my arm from a few days ago while debating a carnitard on /pol/ accusing me of being weak and sick from being vegan.
>>77571528Veganschizo and ketoschizo are both the same person. The trooned out wog.He just posts bait. None of it is sincere. It's the exact same posting style. Exact same repetitive shit. Both of them will sit here for 10 hours arguing. Same person.People stopped taking the keto bait so now he spams vegan bait.
>>77572054Who else does this?... Oh yeah the trooned wog.
>veganschizoYou can tell that’s the actual keto schizo bc no one uses that word but xer
>>77571520I did "raw meat carnivore" diet and meat diet whatever you gay faggots are callimg this shit for years, switched to vegan diet two years ago and feel awesome. Meat eaters are the most disgusting brain dead people in existence next to fents and booze fags. Just remove them from your life and do your own thing. You will not in anyway convince a animal flesh eater to stop. When they are in the hospital dying from God knows what at the age of 55-60, say a prayer and move on.
>>77572104>trusting AI detectorsofc I've used AI to flip the picture, censor the background, and crop the picture, retard
please stop confusing "vegan" with "plant-based", you can be plant-based but not vegan
>>77572054
For me it's 4 eggs a day, 1 liter of milk, 300g of greek yogurt, and 250g of any lean piece of meat. For carbs I do whatever, it's mostly oats fruit and veg and rice tho. Thoughts? Hod much time do I have left brehs?
>>77572203>1. Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics — United States (2025)Vegetarian Dietary Patterns for Adults: A Position Paper of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics.Concludes that appropriately planned vegetarian and vegan diets can be nutritionally adequate in adults and provide long-term cardiometabolic health benefits.Journal of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics, 2025. DOI: 10.1016/j.jand.2025.02.002>2. Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics — United States (2016)Position of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics: Vegetarian Diets.Concludes that properly planned vegetarian and vegan diets are healthy, nutritionally adequate, and appropriate throughout the life cycle, including pregnancy, childhood, older adulthood, and athletic activity.Journal of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics, 2016. DOI: 10.1016/j.jand.2016.09.025>3. German Nutrition Society (DGE) — Germany (2024)Update of the DGE Position on Vegan Diet.Concludes that vegan diets can promote health in the general adult population when properly planned, vitamin B12 is supplemented, and other nutritional requirements are met.The society considers evidence insufficient for a clear recommendation for or against vegan diets in several vulnerable groups, including children and pregnant women.Ernährungs Umschau, 2024;71(7):60–84.>4. American Dietetic Association and Dietitians of Canada (2003)Position of the American Dietetic Association and Dietitians of Canada: Vegetarian Diets.The joint position concludes that properly planned vegetarian and vegan diets can satisfy nutrient requirements, including during pregnancy, lactation, and childhood, with fortified foods or supplements where necessary.Journal of the American Dietetic Association, 2003.>5. Italian Society of Human Nutrition (SINU) — Italy (2017)Position Paper on Vegetarian Diets from the Working Group of the Italian Society of Human Nutrition.
>>77572203>>775722105. Italian Society of Human Nutrition (SINU) — Italy (2017)Position Paper on Vegetarian Diets from the Working Group of the Italian Society of Human Nutrition.Evaluates nutritional adequacy and practical management of vegetarian and vegan diets, including nutrients requiring particular attention.Nutrition, Metabolism and Cardiovascular Diseases, 2017;27(12):1037–1052.6. American Dietetic Association (2009)Position of the American Dietetic Association: Vegetarian Diets.Concludes that appropriately planned vegan and vegetarian diets are nutritionally adequate and suitable across life stages, including for athletes.Journal of the American Dietetic Association, 2009.7. Capodici et al. (2024) — PLOS ONE umbrella review Review of existing reviews and meta-analyses. Vegetarian and vegan diets were associated with better cardiometabolic markers and lower risks of ischemic heart disease and cancer. Evidence was limited by heterogeneity. PLOS One8. Koch et al. (2023) — European Heart Journal Meta-analysis of 30 randomized trials comparing vegetarian or vegan diets against omnivorous diets. Found significant reductions in LDL cholesterol, total cholesterol and apolipoprotein B. 9. Landry et al. (2023) — Stanford UniversityCardiometabolic Effects of Omnivorous vs Vegan Diets in Identical Twins: A Randomized Clinical Trial.Published in JAMA Network Open.
>>77572203>>77572210>>7757221110. Hess et al. (2025) — Nutritional adequacy during pregnancyVegetarian Diets During Pregnancy: With Supplementation, Ovo-Vegetarian, Lacto-Vegetarian, Vegan, and Pescatarian Adaptations of US Department of Agriculture Food Patterns Can Be Nutritionally Adequate.Published in the Journal of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics.11. Satija and Hu (2018) — Plant-based diets and cardiovascular healthPlant-based diets and cardiovascular health.A research review discussing evidence linking healthy plant-based dietary patterns to cardiovascular benefits and emphasizing the importance of food quality, not merely excluding animal products.That should be all.
>>77572185
keep seething
So I wanted to start an own thread about this but I think it fits here as well. From 12 till 20 years old I was a vegetarian, but an unhealthy fat one. They I started lifting, eating tons of meat. Now, at +-35 years old, since around 3 months I again started eating vegetarian. First two months with a lot of proteinshakes and highly processed junk. Since a month I have been eating every day more or less exactly what you see on the screenshot (so protein from lentils, Tofu and dairy) and I feel great. Extremely agressive in a good way, energized, high T., motivated, 0 cravings. Training three times a week, havent done a PR attempt lately but my lifts have probably gone up. Its only anecdotal and probably has more to do with the fact that I eat very clean than with the fact I do not eat any meat, but still the difference is insane. I think my macros are good like this.(105 kg want to go down to 99 without losing strength.)
>>77572305The estrogen is turning you into a bitch
>>77572308Thank you for this amazing contribution Ganesh. So no I do not think so. Why would swapping antibiotic highly processed meat for Lentils and a clean diet raise my estrogen in such a short timespan?
>>77571520Vegan civilizations always get conquered by carnivore ones
>>77572409When was there ever a vegan civilization, ketolard?Are you retarded? Yes, you are.I'm sure the #1 meat consuming country (Tonga) would conquer anyone by your ketocel ketochud logic.
>>77572215>>77572211>>77572210>implying ketolards can read
>>77572208About 10 years less than if you were vegan. Enjoy murdering innocent animals though, I know you guys get off on that.
>>77571520Lets look at the study>https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2671114/and see what's going on>The Adventist Health Study-2 cohort, initiated in 2002–2006, longitudinally follows 97,000 Adventist church members in the U.S. and CanadaA very special group. >aged ≥30 yearsUh oh. Churchgoers in general are usually of the older population anyways regardless of church. >The food-frequency portion of the questionnaire covered 130 hard-coded foods or food groups that are commonly consumed and space for ∼50 write-ins and are assessed for diet during the past year.This is the type of shit constantly criticized about nutritional studies. >A standard portion size was given for each item, and subjects could select that or a smaller or larger portion.The only person who really knows how much their consuming is the autistic bodybuilder who diets down to 5% bodyfat. Maybe those who are generally into fitness have a much better idea. The average person has no fucking clue and that probably applies to the Adventist church. >Because on average ∼7% data were missing for any particular variable, multiple imputation was used to fill missing information"so um we made up some of the data... but it's just true okay chud?">pic relatedhm.... very interesting
>>77572210>>77572211>>77572215Oh no. The Jewish WEF agencies want you to pretend eating their industrial slop and living in a pod is somehow le healthy
>>77572198This. Veganism is an ideology pertaining to the ethical treatment of animals. You could technically eat meat as a vegan, if you ate roadkill for example, you would not cause harm or treat an animal unethically. I eat plant based, it helped lower my blood pressure, and I did starting strength while eating a plant based diet and made good gains. Eating animals causes all kind of chronic health problems. The challenge of eating plant based is you basically have to make all your own food.
>>77571594>I HAVE TO MURDER FLUFFY ANIMALS TO ABSORB THEIR NUTRIENTSI say this and do this
>>77573075Ok that's one study down you retarded ketocel. Find me one that shows a benefit for eating meat. You can't. All you can do is REEEE about methodology when presented with any of the endless studies showing vegans are healthier, meat is unhealthy, plants are healthy, etc.
>>77572054>Lists a bunch of lying roid using shitskinsKek
>>77573092"True Vegans" shouldnt even own cars or use roads.
Vegan babies dieSeed oils were replacement for engine lubricant and paint thinnerPUFAs oxidise and break down in the human body and cause inflammation.Most plant based options or "healthy" options are factory processed slop that are not healthy let alone natural. There is a great compilation on yt: vegans the epitome of malnourishment
>>77573183Murdervores shouldnt be allowed out of prison
>>77573256Fake news ketoschizo. Butter is more inflammatory
>>77573260They are facts. Using the term fake news makes you look even more like a communist faggot. Everyone that can use a search engine can look up both our claims. If you ate some more butter you wouldnt have these autistic fits on the internet you little basedcuck.
>>77571520Shalom Any other advice on how to sabotage people’s health and fitness?
>>77573283One step ahead of you, ketochudcel.>>77573289Sure. Eat lots of meat, butter, soda, and processed crap from Walmart, aka the ketolard repository. NEVER eat a vegetable or fruit. Be sure to grill or deep fry your meat to produce the most toxic compounds possible. Eat lots of parmesan and other dairy products, the more calorically dense the better. Subscribe to ketolard influencers and read books like "the plant paradox" and buy boutique olive oil and chug it every day and night.
>>77573025>When was there ever a vegan civilization, ketolard?>what is India
>>77571594>I HAVE TO MURDER FLUFFY ANIMALS TO ABSORB THEIR NUTRIENTSGod you people are such fucking pussies, do you cry when an animal eats another animal too? Lmao
>>77572104>>77572218LMAO what the fuck? Why do people even bother engaging with these type of threads?
>>77571526It's because most vegans are people with eating disorders using veganism as a veil to turn their mental disorder into a sense of moral superiority
>>77573340Do you cry when humans die?>>77573422Most vegans are high IQ white people who follow science and morality, unlike ketolards
>>77573447They're women. Any time you're talking vegans you're talking about girls with controlling parents because that's most eating disorder patients.
>>77573482>They're women. Any time you're talking vegans you're talking about girls with controlling parents because that's most eating disorder patientsStraight white male scientists with high IQs and HUGE dicks. Try again, ketolard.
>>77573338Cow milk and ghee and cow turd are not vegan, ketochud. Furthermore at no point was the entire civilization even non-meat eaters, mostly just not cows.
https://www.drlwilson.com/articles/VEGETABLEDIETS.htmtldr eat meat
>>77571520Meat is good, protein even makes you feel fuller. Too much trans and saturated fats is bad for you though. For a long lifespan you shouldn't eat red meat all the time
>vegans are malnourishedYes?
>>77573622>Meat is good because protein makes you feel fullOkay? Beans and soja milk have protein AND fiber AND low calorie density, and all of those also make you feel full. Meat is inflammatory and highly calorically dense. Substituting just a small amount of animal protein for plant protein is proven to reduce chronic diseases.> in 2016, a landmark study was published out of Harvard, involving more than 100,000 men and women, that found that replacing animal protein with plant protein was associated with lower risk of dying prematurely. The worst seemed to be processed meat like bacon, as well as egg protein (the egg whites), but swapping in even just 3 percent plant protein for any of the animal proteins: processed meat, unprocessed meat, chicken, fish, eggs, or dairy was associated with a significantly lower risk of arguably the most important endpoint of all, death.
>>77571520There’s a whole country of 1 billion people who are vegetarian I wonder how theyre doing
>meatcucks keep coping and seethingAlso the claim that "vegan" is some Jewish conpiracy is a joke right?So Henry Ford is now Jewish? Adolf Hitler? Plato? Cicero? Jesus Christ? Steiner? East Asian Monks? Get a grip. If you want to keep shoving gay ass faggot "meat" down your throat, go ahead, just know you are the dumbest fucking "humans" on this planet.
>>77573636>Indian vegetarian diets differ from typical Western ones — they frequently include more dairy, refined grains, and fried foods, and less emphasis on whole plant foods or nuts.>Broader Indian life-expectancy data (from National Family Health Survey and related analyses) show differences mainly by caste, religion, region, and socioeconomic status, not diet. For example, higher-caste groups and certain religious communities have higher life expectancy than Scheduled Castes/Tribes, but these groups overlap only partially with vegetarianism and are heavily confounded by income, education, access to healthcare, and living conditions.So, yet again, 0 evidence that meat is healthy. Care to try again, ketocel?
>>77573623>not being an obese disgusting lardmerican is being undernourishedKetolard logic everyone
>>77573641Thank you sar phull sapport
>>77571520its almost as if this is meaninglessbmi is one metric, not the end-all numberim sure people in concentration camps had good bmis
>>77573777So... ketolards are secretly healthy despite being fat, overweight, and obese? What number can you find where ketolards are healthier than vegans?
>>77573615>Furthermore at no point was the entire civilization even non-meat eaters, mostly just not cows.Yeah, the meat eaters were the ruler castes of the vegan serfs and slaves lmao
>>77573447>Most vegans are high IQ white people who follow science and morality,Most high IQ white people are liberals who support immigration from third world countries as well, do you support that too or are you some low IQ white larping as high IQ?
>>77573820bro there's no argument that exists for a vegan or vegetarian diet u should stop and get a life
>>77573827>most scientific and moral people also believe in (something unscientific and immoral), do you also support unscientific and immoral things or are you secretly unscientific and immoral while pretending to be scientific and moral?Ketotard
>>77573828>when a ketolard says something so american you have to hit them with the Plant Based Stare
>>77571520>vegan diet causes starvation>vegans tend not to eat confectionary etc.Only a retard this is this slop image says anything meaningful about any other diet lmao
>>77573852are you a herbivore? are humans herbivores?
>>77573850>something unscientific and immoralHow is immigration unscientific and "immoral" lmao?
>>77573859Are ketolards human?>>77573933Importing brown people into your country is unscientific and immoral, much like eating murdermeat.
>>77573859Do you have large canine teeth like a vampire (originally based on jewish stereotypes, similar to svengali)? Or are all your teeth all on the same y level like frugivores? Do you enjoy murdering innocent fluffy animals?
>>77573970>Importing brown people into your country is unscientific and immoralDo you have any studies to back this up?
>>77573988Off topic, belongs on /pol. But yes
>>77573988>ketolards want mass immigrationWeird
>>77574468Makes sense when you consider they want 85 IQ Mexican slaves to murder their meat and process it for them and serve it to them at McDonald's
How can we teach ketolards to act in comportment with science and morality?
>>77573316Oy vey trust le science. The seed oil/insect/3d printed meat pushers really want longevity of humans. Half of the slop vegans eat and push are modern inventions. Enjoy your engine lubricant you malnourished faggot
>>77574793>of the slop vegans eat and push are modern inventionsOnions products are not a modern invention. Fortifying food with B12 is not specific to vegans. Other than those two I can't think of a single thing you're right about. Do you think vegans "push" ultra processed high saturated fat beyond whoppers or lab grown meat? That's incorrect. Since you're a ketolard, perhaps you can help answer >>77574774
vegan gainz lookin RIPPED
>>77574804>Onions products are not a modern invention.They have been selectively bred for shelf life, disease resistance and even shape. Most recent is versions that dont make you cry when cutting. >Fortifying food with B12 is not specific to vegansYou require syntheticly, industrial produced vitamins to not be defficient in your meme diet. Top kek you retard>ultra processed high saturated fatGoyslop bad so meat bad. Goyslop is fried in seed oils ya fuckwit. All arguments against fried meats are arguments against seed oils.
>>77571533not vegan lol
>>77574826>You require syntheticly, industrial produced vitamins to not be defficient in your meme diet. Top kek you retardThat applies to you too though, where do you think the B12 in beef comes from? They don't produce it naturally.Ketolard.
Vegan anything should be ban worthy this is not to be taken seriously
>>77574950Why do ketolards consistently prove themselves to be unscientific and immoral, in this case advocating for censorship due to their inability to win in the marketplace of ideas?
>>77574947>They don't produce it naturally.That is a lie. It is found naturally in animal products. Its an essential vitamin you retarded rat. How did humans get to this point before synthetic production? https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12681447/
>>77575265Rtrd
>>77575316>your brain on engine lubricant. Lose debate , ad hominem. Cant even spell retard properly. Begone brittleboned grainslopper
>>77575424>beef liverWhen was the last time you ate one of those rtrd?
>>77571520i tried veganism once and i just never felt full and it was impossible to shit because of the amount of fiberthe only thing that didn't make me want to kms was binging on roasted salted nuts and then i gained weight
>>77576113> i just never felt fullIf this actually happened (it didnt) you weren't eating enough volume and protein.>it was impossible to shit because of the amount of fiber>things that never happened
>>77576152Nta but i'm trying to stay plant-based on Wed and Fridays because of the orthodox lent and it's literally impossible, i feel like im losing all my gains when im not eating meat.
>>77574826>You require syntheticly, industrial produced vitamins to not be defficient in your meme diet. Top kek you retardHow is this an argument? Thats like saying "lol you need meat to not be deficient" >All arguments against fried meats are arguments against seed oils.This is false considering saturated fat is present in meat but not seed oils. Seed oils are also only bad when they are repeatedly fried.
>>77574947Why is b12 present naturally in wild caught fish and venison?Of course b12 is present naturally in meat.The vegan dogma really did a number on a lot of people. The only time b12 is injected in cows are if the cows are incredibly sick. Otherwise, they just give them cobalt if they need it. But to claim b12 doesnt exist naturally in meat you have to be either knowingly trolling or 100% retarded
>>77573256>Vegan babies dieOmnivore babies die as well. Every dietary organization on the planet states vegan diets are adequate for all stages of life including pregnant women and babies. >Seed oils were replacement for engine lubricant and paint thinnerNot an argument. Provide health outcome not emotional "it makes me feel icky">Most plant based options or "healthy" options are factory processed slop that are not healthy let alone natural.Just about every replacement study shows the plant-based options are healthier. Replace meat with mock meat improves health. Replacing cows milk with Soi milk improves health. >There is a great compilation on yt: vegans the epitome of malnourishmentWow what a great argument. A YouTube video lmao. I also know a great compilation of unhealthy meat eaters, it's called your local Walmart.
>>77576173He can eat real food, and survive through the winter if he needs to. Good luck with that as a vegan without your supplements. Not to mention the whole absorption/bioavailability aspect.
>>77576183>unhealthy meat eaters, it's called your local Walmart.Most of the standard american diet is plant based junk food. Ironically, the items are vegan too. Meat is just included in the diet, yet you believe meat is the entire problem.Basically, acording to your logic, if you had these Walmart people take their typical mcdonalds order of burger, fries, soda, sauces, and pastries and remove the small burger patty from the bruger leaving only buns, they would be somehow healthier.Class A retard.
>>77576185Pretty sure a vegan can eat "real food" and survive through a winter just fine. Don't think grocery stores suddenly stop serving customers in the winter lmao. >Not to mention the whole absorption/bioavailability aspect.95% is pretty goodhttps://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/Riboflavin-HealthProfessional/
>>77576196You say this but vegans in every study ever have a lower chance of obesity. If these "mostly plant based junk" are the problem, then are they leaner?https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15941875/https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6893503/https://ajcn.nutrition.org/article/S0002-9165%2823%2927708-4/fulltexthttps://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12833118/
>>77576200>Don't think grocery stores suddenly stop serving customers in the winter lmaoObviously meant in the wilderness, smart ass
>>77571520look at all these unhealthy nutrients in red meat. you're on the winning side avoiding this bro. good shit, keep spreading the good message
>>77576222I'll just not live in the wilderness? I mean you're typing this from some kind of computer so you're also living in society.
>>77576210Because of the healthy user biasIf you compare the average vegan to a random omnivore off the street, of course the vegan has a lower chance of being obese because vegans as a group are far more likely to have other positive lifestyle factors present. Comparing them against average omnivores that put zero effort into their diet and eat junk food proves nothing about meat at all.
>>77576227>1% dv>7% dv>7% dv>6% dv>3% dv>12%Lmao. Also the vitamin D is a lie. Ribeye does not have vitamin D
>>77576237>healthy user biasaaah so you're illiterate. But you're not wrong. A plant-based diet does make you a healthy user!
>>77576237If only the scientist were as smart on anon here to know about the fabled "healthy user bias"
>Ribeye does not have vitamin Dhttps://fdc.nal.usda.gov/food-details/173392/nutrients
>>77576024I eat eggs, yoghurt, salmon, shellfish etc. The occasional liver sausage or paté. >>77576173>How is this an argument? Thats like saying "lol you need meat to not be deficient"Yes you rephrased the argument good goy. The point is that if you need factory produced pills, the diet is not natural.>>77576173>Seed oils are also only bad when they are repeatedly fried.All goyslop fast food arguments are out of the window. You fry the slop in seed oils, you attribute the negative effects to saturated fat , its the seed oils. Also the jump from meat bad to saturated fat is top kek. Saturated fat in large amounts is bad, that does not make meat bad. Meat is bad if you fry it in sneed oils. >>77576183>Every dietary organizationFalse, German Nutrition Society (DGE) does not. All other agencies state carefull and adequate planning and monitoring is required, extra supplementation is needed. High risk of being defficient. Another proof that its a meme. Just eat eggs and beef and you are fine.>>77576183>Not an argument. Provide health outcome not emotional "it makes me feel icky"The argument is that these oils were never initially intended for human consumption. They de odorise and remove colour, purify and slapped "food grade on it" because it was cheap, available and they had too much of it after the war. >healthNone of these studies look at other markers, just less sat fat , therefore healthy. Bill Gates shilling, next you are going to push cockroach meat and beyond meat processed slop. >>77576183>YouTube video lmaoIts a compilation of victims of the slave mind diet. They all end up looking like gulag prisoners.
>>77576272oh sorry you're right it does have less than 1% of the DV. Excellent source and worth putting on an infographic. Definitely not deceiving.
>>77576284well you claimed it had none. regardless, you're choosing to ignore the other 20+ micronutrients the food provides. those nutrients are more bioavailable as well so more of it actually gets absorbed into the body. I know what I'm saying has no effect on you since you are essentially an incompetent mental midget but it's entertaining me while I wait for my blender renders to finish up
>>77576273>the diet is not natural.Sure, but why doesn't this matter? Almost nothing we do is natural and natural doesn't mean good. That’s why it's considered a logical fallacy to appeal to it. >you attribute the negative effects to saturated fat , its the seed oilsStudies that control for this show PUFA having the best health outcomes compared to saturated/trans fats>lso the jump from meat bad to saturated fat is top kekI'm a different anon. I would say heme iron is also bad. But besides saturated fat and heme iron I don't think meat is that bad healthwise, I would consider lean chicken breast a health food. It's an atrocity ethically/economically/environmentally however. >False, German Nutrition Society (DGE) does not.They are neutral on it and say they cannot recommend for or against it. > All other agencies state carefull and adequate planning and monitoring is required, extra supplementation is neededYup, everyone should pay more attention to their diet. Would solve a lot of health problems in society. >The argument is that these oils were never initially intended for human consumption.None of that matters. We have so much data showing us they are one of the best options for liquid fat consumption. What something was intended for is such a nothing argument. How could we ever take a fat from a food we have eaten for thousands of years....and find out it's safe to feed to humans??????? We are truly playing god. >None of these studies look at other markers, just less sat fat , therefore healthy.I don't think you're familiar enough with any of them to make such a stupid blanket claim. >Its a compilation of victims of the slave mind diet. They all end up looking like gulag prisoners.You seem like someone who is easily manipulated and falls for propaganda if you look at a heavily cherry picked video and think. "yup this is reality"
>>77576153You're not used to eating the volume required. Meat is calorically dense; plants are not.Try sòy milk.
>>77571520Congrats you made another bait post your parents must be so proud of you!!! Good job!
>>77571520I am tired of threads like these that want to push you towards a side. Most commonly we have Vegans on one side & Ketoschizo. We are omnivores.
>>77576604Well yes I am presenting evidence to you that eating meat is unhealthy. Not to mention immoral and unscientific.
>>77571527You're moving goalposts as your argument moves along. It starts out with cico in relation to weight loss then moves to it mattering what you put in your mouth [for health etc]Of course cico is 'real'. You can't make energy out of nothing. It's a natural law not an opinion. The type of food impacting ktber factors and INDIRECTLY possibly affecting weight loss is irrelevant as that still comes down to cico: it's just that relevant variables have changed.
>>77571520>meat causes alzheimers via heavy metalsCitation needed. Some foods contain contaminants, that doesn't prove eating meat causes dementia.>hormones and germsHormones depend on the animal and country. Germs are a food safety issue, not proof meat is inherently unhealthy. Cook it properly.>ruins your microbiome, causes inflammation, makes you hungrierProtein is generally satiating, so the hunger claim is especially dubious. Microbiome effects depend on the overall diet. Processed meat is not the same thing as chicken or unprocessed beef.>not ONE study showing benefitsMoving the goalposts. Meat provides B12, iron, zinc and complete protein. Whether eating MORE improves long-term health is a different question. Nobody needs to claim steak is a superfood to point out that your argument is bullshit.You can make a case against eating lots of processed meat. Pretending every type of meat has identical effects is poor.>imageProves nothing, but you know that. It could be that people who tend to overconsume tend to be meat-eaters. It could be it's easier to overconsume when eating meat. It's a question from which new questions arise, but in itself it's basically meaningless.
>>77576725>You can make a case against eating lots of processed meat. Pretending every type of meat has identical effects is poor.Of course, it matters what people replace the meat with. Replacing even 3 percent of calories from animal protein with plant protein is linked to living longer, but eggs were the worst. Yes, replacing red meat protein with plant protein sources may lower overall mortality more than 10 percent, but getting rid of egg protein, and we’re talking more than 20 percent lower risk of premature death. So, if someone reduces meat consumption by swapping a burger for an egg salad sandwich, that particular reduction in meat could mean more mortality.
>>77571520pepes are unhealthy
>>77576801Dinosaurs were illiterate, now they're extinct.
>>77571520wofl is saddened by this fact
>>77576806You'll find illiteracy is a reproductive advantage
>>77576812Who's wofl
>>77577383the dankest meme. the pepe killer
Religion has nothing to do with God.
>>77576306>Sure, but why doesn't this matter?You create a whole industry to feed your meme diet while vegans claim its morally correct or more environmentally friendly, while all you do is push pharma by requiring a bunch of artificial vitamins to function properly. Its not the normal state of a human. >Almost nothing we do is naturalEating, breathing, sleeping and shitting comes quite natural no? >Studies that control for this show PUFA having the best health outcomes compared to saturated/trans fatsThats retarded, there is a direct link between frying in vegetable oils and the creation of trans fat. Partially hydrogenated vegetable oils that are used for frying and contain large amounts of industrial trans fat; ordinary liquid vegetable oils can also form small amounts of trans fat when overheated or reused repeatedly. You cant separate the 2, they are linked.>>77576306>It's an atrocity ethically/economically/environmentally however.malpractice in food industry is not an argument against eating meat. Its an argument against eating meat from these sources. Go to a local farmer or raise your own livestock in a smalls scale is the best option imo.>>77576306>They are neutralSemantics, they are not promoting it and they explicitly mention it requires medical attention. As if raising a child properly and making sure nutrition is adequate is not a task on its own, pushing this meme diet (in)directly on a child is abuse. An ill-planned vegan diet, without taking nutrient supplements and without consuming fortified foods) from pregnant women, breastfeeding women, children and adolescents can lead to health impairments and developmental damage. This can manifest itself, for example, in disorders of blood formation, growth retardation, bone decalcification, rickets and partially irreversible neurological disorders such as mental retardation express.
>>77571534Your loss.
>>77576306>data showing us they are one of the best options for liquid fat consumption.I call BS , seed oils require a whole chemical plant to even make palletable. They are not intended to be eaten. They contain anti nutrients and toxins. Seeds do not want to be eaten. In nature animals that are able to digest seeds have developed mechanisms to be able to eat these seeds. The positive results are from olive oil etc. These are not relevant in the discussion. They are not seed oils and are healthy, but they are lumped in with seed oils and somehow next step is meat bad. >>77576306>stupid blanket claim.Disprove the claim then, show me the studies. >>77576306>>77576306>someone who is easily manipulated and falls for propagandaToppest of keks coming from a vegan diet meme promoter.
>>77571520S-tier troll thread, but "NORMAL" BMIs are not really optimal compared to slightly overweight according to the latest research.>Body mass index, waist circumference and the association with all-cause and cause-specific mortality: a 7.2-year follow-up cohort study in Shanghai, China>https://link.springer.com/article/10.1186/s12889-025-25147-0>restricted cubic spline showed a U-shaped association between BMI and overall (lowest mortality risk at 27.4 kg/m2) and CVD mortality (lowest mortality risk at 27.5 kg/m2), as well as a J-shaped association between WC and mortality.t. omnivore who probably eats way more kinds of plants than OP
>>77576801>but eggs were the worstFried? Raw? Boiled? Baked till they are black? Look up Kurt, and Hermann Saxon, George Hackenschmidt, Vince Gironda All units of bodybuilding, all ate eggs in large amounts. Eggs are complete protein all essential amino acids, plus choline, vitamin B12, selenium, riboflavin, vitamin A, and vitamin D.Now, what group of ''humans'' would not want other humans to eat things that are so nutrient dense? Protip, they have long noses
Unreal this thread is still upDon't engage vegan shit, it validates their surreal and warped views These people need to be ridiculed if not completely ignored
>>77576196>4th highest per capita meat consumption on earth, behind tiny island countries full of obese brown people Tonga and Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
>>77577883>fattest population in history>YOURE A JEW IF YOU DONT SUPPORT HIGH "NUTRIENT" (calorie, saturated fat, salt, cholesterol) DENSE FOODS
>>77571680If someone refers to science in the context of health and diet, I immediately assume they are lying
>>77578498this but unironically
>>77571520>veganism is CORRELATED with a lower bmi which is CORRELATED to healthier long term outcomesWhy don’t you correlate a dick up your ass Veganism is a first world privilege.
>>77578564I wasn't being ironic. They are retards
>>77571520I primarily eat meat and my BMI is 18
>>77578584Also, posted /elsewhere/
>>77578589ay yo we iz sciantists n shiet
>>77578581Meat is a first world privilege, retarded brownoid ketochud.
>>77572054Cool ai pic. Next time ask it for a time stamp
>>77571520>g8 b8 m8Correlation is not causation.Vegan food is high volume low calorie.Meaning CICO work
>>77571520I'm sure that's true of anyone following an extreme diet. People lose weight on the carnivore diet because there are several entire categories of food they never eat. I suspect those meat eaters are better described as omnivores.
>>77578832>Correlation is not causation.>Vegan food is high volume low calorie.>Meaning CICO workkek so it's just a correlation but also we have mechanistic explanations and dietary interventions which prove causation. Sure ketolard, whatever helps you sleep at night over the screams of the animals you've paid to have slaughtered for you.
>>77578861>ketolardwhat?I laugh at ketoschizo posts, you idiot.
>>77573822It’s the opposite the Brahmins were vegetarian and ruled over others (still not vegan.) lower castes ate more meat
>>77578926>whatever helps you sleep at night over the screams of the animals you've paid to have slaughtered for you, ketolard.
>>77579765I would gladly pay to have you slaughtered for me (vegans are not people)
>>77579776No point, you're obviously already infected with pyrons, which explains your immoral and unscientific behaviours. Also mexicans arent samurai. Only Japanese people and white people can be.
These threads are so fucking stupid. This site is so fucking stupid. You guys are so fucking stupid. Jfc.
>>77579782I stand corrected, you cannot be slaughtered because you are, in fact, not a person, nor someone/something with a body. You only exist as code in cyberspace.
>>77579796You're still going to continue paying people to brutally murder cows, pigs, goats, chickens, etc though, if that makes you feel any better, mexi-kan.
>>77579804Do some machine learning and learn to not speak in patterns that are blatantly non-human
>>77579809My mistake, mexi-tan. However you should still consider the implications of your murdervore habits.
>>77577855>You create a whole industry to feed your meme diet while vegans claim its morally correct or more environmentally friendlyIt objectively is. Producing plant products will almost always be more efficient than feeding/sheltering/raising animals for their meat. It's why livestock farmers get so many subsidies. >while all you do is push pharma by requiring a bunch of artificial vitamins to function properlyPharmaceutical industry is different than the supplement industry and are a free market. It's why they are so cheap. And who cares either way, vitamins are cheap and easy to synthesize and are good for us. >Eating, breathing, sleeping and shitting comes quite natural no?You know thats not what I meant. Modern society is far from natural and in the "natural" world you would have likely been dead before your 10th birthday.>Thats retarded, there is a direct link between frying in vegetable oilsOnly repeatedly frying. >Partially hydrogenated vegetable oilsYou don't use those for frying. They have been mostly banned for a long time.>Go to a local farmer or raise your own livestock in a smalls scale is the best option imo."muh local farmer" is incredibly cringe and a larp most of the time. You cannot ethically kill something innocent that does not want to die. >As if raising a child properly and making sure nutrition is adequate is not a task on its own, pushing this meme diet (in)directly on a child is abuse.Right so "Paying attention to my Childs nutrition*meat eating*"=GOOD but "Paying attention to my Childs nutrition *Vegan*"=BAD. It's all the same thing. >An ill-planned vegan diet, without taking nutrient supplements and without consuming fortified foods) from pregnant women, breastfeeding women, children and adolescents can lead to health impairments Yeah same with any other diet. You can look at any new article in the past week and find tons of parents(meat eating parents) being arrested for killing their child via malnutrition
>>77571520normal BMI means FFMI 12 in this context.
>>77577869>I call BS , seed oils require a whole chemical plant to even make palletable. They are not intended to be eaten. They contain anti nutrients and toxins. Seeds do not want to be eaten. In nature animals that are able to digestHoly fuck buzzwords. Not even using the right buzzwords as seed oils actually have extremely little to no anti nutrients lmao. But yes there is an undisputed amount of evidence showing their health benefits compared to other fat sources.>show me the studies>https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2831265>https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S000291652200778X>https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S000291652200778X?via%3Dihub>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39133482/>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8048052/>https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00394-021-02507-1>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6121943/>https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/01.ATV.0000163185.28245.a1Feel free to provide any data to the contrary.
>>77578798>>77572218He tried
>>77571535
>>77571520Adventists are all retarded. All of them.
>>77579862Kek
>>77579866>>77579862I can call you whatever your preferred pronoun is, whether that be ketolard, ketochud, ketoschizo, ketocel, ketotard, murdervore, or even CICOjeet. A ketolard by any other name would be just as unscientific and immoral.
KETONAGERSBTFO
>>77579826>Producing plant products will almost always be more efficient t- monocultures rely on pesticides due to disease buildup, they also require artifical fertiliser in large amounts- manure from animals contains N, P, K, and carbon, it improves soil fertility-livestock can be bred on non-areable land and fed by by-products that humans can not digest >>77579826>Pharmaceutical industry is differentThey mostly overlap - artifical sources are selected for chemical stability, not human bioavailability. The fact you (again) need to create a whole industry just to get something or else the meme diet does not work is not ''environmentally better''>Modern society is far from naturalIs not an argument to make another part of your existence artificial.>Only repeatedly frying.Thats what is done with fast food and goyslop. The whole base argument against ''meat''. In Europe they just added a limit of 2g/100g so not banned. >You cannot ethically kill something innocent that does not want to die.You are an anti abortion advocate too then?>Paying attention to my Childs nutrition *Vegan*"=BADPushing a meme diet on your child is bad.Animal fats more easily provide preformed long-chain omega-3s and several micronutrients, whereas for vegans you need to supplement DHA, B12, Iodine, vitamin D. You wouldnt be typinghere if your ancestors didnt kill and eat fish, meat and eggs. >https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2831265Similarly, across the intake categories, a higher intake of plant oil excluding olive oil was associated with an 8% lower total mortality>Its the olive oil component Participants with higher total butter intake had higher BMI and energy intake and were more likely to currently smoke, but they were less likely to be physically active.This study tells you more about the effects of smoking and sedentary life than it does about diet.
>>77580718>whereas for vegans you need to supplement DHA, B12, Iodine, vitamin D.Salmon is the best vitamin D source and it's still kind of a shit source, so pretty much everyone should be supplementing. Vegans can get more than enough iodine from seaweed; I'm an omnivore and my iodine intake from seaweed dwarfs my iodine intake from dairy.
>>77571520This is true. My wife is a vegan and shes 110lbs. All of her friends who dont have a specialized diet are 180lbs or more
>>77580816see >>77577871; if they're all around average-height foids, they should really probably be somewhere in between.
>>77571520>There are NO health benefits to eating meatwhat about mental health benefits? the most tasty meals (except for desserts) in the world all contain meat
>>77571520vegans are the most miserable people on the planet, and they come here to try and drag us down. why do you care what i eat, planttard
>>77580718>monocultures rely on pesticides due to disease buildup, they also require artifical fertiliser in large amountsWhat do livestock eat?>livestock can be bred on non-areable land and fed by by-products that humans can not digestIf livestock out number and out-eat us, then explain how they could survive eating our byproducts? Thats like me feeding a village with an apple core. We have to grow food specifically for livestock. The USDA confirms this.https://www.usda.gov/sites/default/files/documents/coexistence-basedbeans-factsheet.pdf>Just over 70 percent of the basedbeans grown in the United States are used for animal feed>not human bioavailabilityThey are plenty bioavailable. Plenty if literature supports this. People would not use them if they did not work. >is not ''environmentally better''Provide any evidence for this. Not just emotion.>Is not an argument to make another part of your existence artificial.When the alternative is the continued forced breeding/slaughter of billions of sentient beings and destruction of the planet, I would say it's a good argument. I could even make the zoonotic argument and say it's threatening to human life as well. >You are an anti abortion advocate too then?Sorry "Innocent sentient". >Pushing a meme dietVeganism isn't a diet. It's a moral stance. We all force our morals onto our children, thats literally what raising kids is. >Its the olive oil componentIf this was the only study in existence on the topic then sure you could say that. When we have dozens of other studies all over the world spanning hundreds and thousands of people showing seed oils having significant benefit as well, then no I would disagree. >Participants with higher total butter intake had...There is this section called "Statistical Analysis" where they explain how they adjusted the data for those confounders. If you didn't review that and the footnotes and the data you really aren't in a position to be critiquing it.
>>77580889>Sorry "Innocent sentient".lmao vegan faggot hates unborn children, because he hates human beings, because he hates himself
>>77580904Why are ketolards so anti-intellectual?
>>77580889>What do livestock eat?Grass>>77580889>If livestock out number and out-eat us, then explain how they could survive eating our byproductsBiological byproducts from other industries. This is already the case. Yes you grow food for livestock because they produce more energy dense food in return. Sun > grass/plants > animals. The complexity increases and so does the nutritional profile. You need more plant matter by weight for the same amount of energy. >Provide any evidence for thisJust read the label of all your needed supplements, the plastic bottle, the ingredients, the machines to dose the pills, the logistics, supply lines while you could just feed chickens in your garden with food scraps and eat an egg a day. But you memers need a complete industry conjured up and then claim to be morally.>Sorry "Innocent sentient".So killing an an animal is wrong but an unborn infant is fine ? >Veganism isn't a diet.Its a selection of what to eat and what not. Its a diet. And you make it a personality trait. Dont use the "raising children" argument if you think its morally fine to abort them.>When we have dozens of other studies all over the world spanning hundreds and thousands of people showing seed oilsIf they all include olive oil and other vegetable oils they are not an argument that seed oils are bad. >There is this section called "Statistical Analysis" where they explain how they adjusted the data for those confoundersYou cant math away the fact that sedentary lifestyle combined with smoking is exponentially worse to cardiovascular health than moving and not smoking.
>>77581170>seed oils are badShould be "healthy" not bad
>>77580904You're literally not taking to a human, bro.Just sage the thread, it's not organic.
>>77580972You've swapped cause and effect, they're that way because of they're anti-intellectual.
>>77581170>Grass.Delusional. Even for cows it's only 5%. Not to mention chickens, pigs and fish. >You need more plant matter by weight for the same amount of energy.False. You lose calorie conversion. Why would you lie about something that takes less than a minute to research? Are you going to ignore the USDA literally saying they grow the food for livestock?>"Just look at the bottle man and like the vibes, I just don't FEEEEL like it's better for the environment"Great fucking evidence. Also lmao at you think you don't need logistics and supply lines to slaughter, package, refrigerate and transfer meat. Not to mention raising/feeding/sheltering the animals like I mentioned earlier. >So killing an an animal is wrong but an unborn infant is fine ?If the infant is sentient then it is wrong. If it is not then I do not care. However many weeks that would be is the threshold. >Its a selection of what to eat and what not.No, because I would eat lab grown meat. It's entirely ethical. >If they all include olive oil and other vegetable oils they are not an argument that seed oils are bad.I already posted them. I can post more but I hit the post limit. >You cant math away the fact that sedentary lifestyle combined with smoking is exponentially worse to cardiovascular health than moving and not smoking.You can. I know you have never taken a statistics class, but you absolutely can. And again the data coincides with previous finding on the topic. It's not "one" study I am using to prove my claim but the entire massive body of evidence.
>>77581179>mexi-tan clitty is leaking over vegans so hard he has to pretend it's all bots
Because of evolutionary demographic growth, dietary decisions based on ethical consideration have little consequence on global supply and demand. Global beef production has consistently increased each decade since the last century. The moral contribution of self-sacrifice is diluted by competitive selection.The solution to valence inequality isn’t socialism-like, but based on technological development, such as lab grown meat or technologies with higher health, taste, and affordability benefits.
THIS Fucking thread is still up? wow so stupid
>>77581796veganism is a glowop so it must stay up
>>77581299>Delusional. Even for cows it's only 5%.Kek, grass fed beef commands a premium over cows eating other things. Bovines, cows, bisons main food source in the wild is grass and hay in winter. Thats why they have 5 stomachs. They do feed them grain remains from for example breweries but these are all non natural sources. Pigs are omnivores but genetically similar to boars. In nature they eat roots, insects and whatever they find. Industial farmed pigs are fed garbage. So the meat is garbage and thus unhealthy. That does not make meat per se bad, its malpractise in the food industry. >You lose calorie conversionIts energy density, a concept most vegans struggle with. 1 kg of meat and fat is more energy dense than 1 kg of plant matter. You seem to disregard the fact that when talking about energy BALANCE as in, energy in VS out, biological systems do have "losses" in the form of "waste products" but for bovines these products actually fixate carbon and nitrogen in the soil. Also the grass grows because of the sun. Beef is condensed solar energy therefore it is more nutritious and energy dense. >need logistics and supply lines to slaughter, package, refrigerate and transfer meat.Except they feed more people therefore they are more efficiënt than the 3 % vegans requiring meme pills for there meme diet. >>77581299>would eat lab grown meatHollow protein, it is not as nutricious as most of the benefits from beef come from the 5 stomachs of the cows. But please do eat the slop, you will die faster. This is also highly ethical.>I already posted them. I can post more but I hit the post limit.The argument still stands. Olive oil, not a seed oil btw is what makes up most of the benefits in the studies. There are more important factors like smoking, alcohol and movement important for cardiovasculair health. Meme studies with meme results.>You can. I know you have never taken a statistics class, but you absolutely can.You can lie with statistics,
>ai generated infographicsdead internet theory is alive and well
>>77581796>>77581813I will not rest until every ketolard has been educated
>>77582331It's all ai. The selfies and timestamp. The infographics. The long winded responses. All ai. He also argues with himself in order to keep the thread alive.
>>77583261I'm sorry that your failure to find any health benefit to consuming meat has resulted in you using ad hominem to avoid accountability for your immoral and unscientific behaviours. Do you often find yourself in situations where it just feels better to start throwing out insults?
>>77581942>>would eat lab grown meat>Hollow protein, it is not as nutricious as most of the benefits from beef come from the 5 stomachs of the cows.Highly depends exactly on the process used to grow it. Spirulina for example has *much* higher protein content by weight than beef, proving that can be achieved in biological systems, but some lab-grown meats could be significantly less than real cows.
>>77571520No shit if you're only eating leaves all day you won't gain weight.Not reading all that by the way.
>>77583269That’s the wog schizo guy btw
>>77583300Who, the guy accusing me of being AI?
>>77571526this. /thread
>>77577883>muh veegon joosNice strawman however, in reality all the top keto shills are jews. Every single one of them. This old list doesn't have newcomers Nick Norwitz and Dave Feldman who are, of course, jews. It isn't even funny anymore. It keeps happening.
>>77571527>calorie density disproves cicoAre you legitimately retarded?
>>77571527Em dash at the end
>>77583270>SpirulinaNot meat.Chance for toxins and heavy metals if improperly grown. No b12 and no fat
>>77583450Great points, but it still illustrates that there are processes out there to get more protein content than beef, Chud.
Yo bro, just eat two giant servings of vegetables to get the same nutrients as a small piece of meat
>>77571520I've seen tons of people lose a ton of weight doing a keto type diet. Just stay away from sugar (besides healthy fruit) and no more then 50gs of carbs. Tne. Eat healthy food and good meat n protein
>>77581942>Kek, grass fed beef commands a premium over cows eating other thingsGrass FINISHED beef. And like I said less than 5% of cows are grass fed. >Its energy density, a concept most vegans struggle with. 1 kg of meat and fat is more energy dense than 1 kg of plant matterYes. But it requires much more energy to produce the 1 kg of meat. Several times more. >You seem to disregard the fact that when talking about energy BALANCE How about you just provide any evidence for your claims instead of personal theories. I don't know how else to argue with someone like you other than "you have no idea what you're talking about" Every environmental organization on the planet agrees animal agriculture is massively harming the planet and is the number one cause of deforestation, so I'm curious what enlightened source you have the contradicts that>Except they feed more people therefore they are more efficiëntCitation needed. Fortified soi milk is around twelve times more energy efficient than cows milk. https://ourworldindata.org/environmental-impact-milksPlant based meats which also are fortified have a 50% less environmental impacthttps://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9936781/>Hollow proteinIt's literally the same thing. Zero evidence. Just emotion or some retarded shit you saw in a YouTube video. >The argument still standsNo it doesn't as the olive oil exclusionary group still showed benefits. So at worst it goes Olive oil>seed oil>animal fats>transfats. >There are more important factors like smoking, alcohol and movementControlled for. >Meme studies with meme results.Every cardiovascular and dietary association on the planet has recommendations based on these studies. But sure you know something they don'tThere it is It's just all a jewish conspiracy. Yeah I'm sure the hundreds of studies that have been done all over the planet spanning hundreds of thousands of people that all show the same consistent results are all lying. You solved it
>>77584256>Grass FINISHED beef. And like I said less than 5% of cows are grass fed.You are either poor, an American, a nigger or all 3. Picrel its Dutch its 100% grass FED beef. Its the best version and how its supposed to be. Comes back to my argument ,shit feed , shit meat, shit studies.>But it requires much more energy to produce the 1 kg of meatIts more nutricious and contains vitamins and fats. You need a whole seperate supply line.>>77584256>" Every environmental organization on the planet agreesWith who bankrolls them you midwit. Do i promote the slopfood , slopmeat, slopbreeding cycle? No, is meat eating unhealthy or wrong ? No>Fortified soi milkEnjoy you fytoestrogens you dicklet>>77584256>No it doesn'tYes it does, there is no pure seed oil group , you cant math your way out of the fact that more than half the benefits was attributed to olive oil and the sedentary lifestyle and smoking. Its a meme study.>It's literally the same thing. Zero evidenceIt does not contain exactly the same fats and nutrients. Its a pipedream lmao>jewish conspiracyCorrect goy
>>77584256>Fortified soi milk
>>77584487Picrel
>>77584541>man with deformed hand uses onions to regain his strengthProof that onions milk is healthy and helps build muscles
>>77584551>Dutch discord tranny supports murder meat industryodd combination, are you Moroccan or something
>>77571520>BMIFit people only care about bf% you fucking dyel
>>77574824glad to see jewkranians paying for their greed, taking US tax dollars to fund their kike war.
>>77571520
>>77584624Let's compare body fat % of vegans vs vegetarians vs ketolards then. I'm sure it will reinforce my point.>Vegans tend to have lower body fat percentages compared to omnivores, as studies show that vegans generally have lower body fat in multiple comparisons. Yeah so Google says you're wrong, ketocel, as usuaL.
>>77579862lol
Ketolards?
>>77583646kek this is how that bullshit always starts
>>77571520someone should tell literally every human that ever existed before 1970 that thier diet is unhealthy
>>77585363Someone should tell literally every civilized human that existed before the industrial revolution that their diets aren't nutritious enough and they need to artificially inseminate and murder their livestock like 100x more
>>77585501And also to process their murder meat and staple crops into fried americo-abominations using 20th century chemistry in order to remove all the fibre
>>77584487>Picrel its Dutch its 100% grass FED beef.Wow product exists. Great argument. >Its more nutricious and contains vitamins and fats. You need a whole seperate supply line.False. Including macro/mincronutrient density. Jesus dude this is like a 5 second search to find out. >With who bankrolls them you midwitZero evidence for this. But yeah "It's all fake and gay" isn't an argument, especially when your source is just your feelings. >Enjoy you fytoestrogens you dicklet>2026>STILL thinks phytoestrogens impact humans in any negative way. I've given up asking for sources. You're just too illiterate to engage with. >Yes it does, there is no pure seed oil group>"a higher intake of plant oil excluding olive oil was associated with an 8% lower total mortality">EXCLUDINGI know you have already admitted you're dutch and ESL, so I will forgive you for this. But "excluding" means "not in".>It does not contain exactly the same fats and nutrients. Its a pipedream lmaoYes it does. In fact it has the potential to be even more nutrient dense due to how it is created. >Correct goyI accept your concession .
>>77573636>posts image from 1905
Every day the goyim go more insane.
>>77571527You just played yourself like a flute my dear retard.
>>77586231"nutritions hehe" argument for meat is absolutely retarded, its micros per calorie is absolutely pathetic and even if you ate 10kg of it daily you'd still end up deficient fat cripple. Usually the meat nutrtion meme infographs feature like few micros it has in some quantity and either leave out the amount required completely or it's on tiny font something absurd
>>77572218>>77572104Yep, thread premise destroyed. OP is a lame fag. I love meat and vegetables and i will continue to eat both
>>77571533Thank you hungry skeleton
>>77586583How so, CICOn*****?
>>77586231>Wow product exists. Great argument.You tried to spin it to ''grass finished''. Its not, so proof the product exists is proof you had it wrong. >False. Including macro/mincronutrient densityName another food source that is a complete protein with all essential amino acids, contains B12, B6, niacin (B3), riboflavin (B2), thiamine (B1), pantothenic acid (B5), folate, Heme iron, zinc, selenium, phosphorus, potassium, magnesium, copper, sodium, Creatine, carnitine, taurine, carnosine, coenzyme Q10 and CLA.>Zero evidence for this.You are too retarded to follow the money. large private foundations, Hewlett, Packard, McKnight, Rockefeller, Ford Billionaire-linked funds—channelled through intermediaries such as ClimateWorks>>STILL thinks phytoestrogens impact humans in any negative way.>I've given up asking for sources. You're just too illiterate to engage with.I like how you claim I do not do a 5 second google. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3074428/#S9https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6390141/https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18396257/TOP KEK : Many sources of phytoestrogens are also spread in the world which can be used as an alternative to external estrogen substitutes or hormone replacement therapy.Basedtrannies soon>>77586231>"excluding" means "not in".Yes, 15% was the original numer, this drops down to 8% EXCLUDING olive oil, that means 7% of the benefits were attributed to olive oil. >>77586231>Yes it doesProve to me artificial meat contains what i summed up in point 2.>I accept your concessionDo you hold chainlink by any chance?
these threads are so dumb. why dont you go into the world and bother them with your retarded crusade. you are wasting everyones time
>>77571520We'd get like 95% of the benefits of veganism at 10% of the cost if we just stopped eating cattle.
