Real schizo hours

>>77600519
Draw us a diagram of how to preform this

>>77600519
You can't reverse axial elongation. Once your eye becomes egg shaped from looming too close, it's fucking over

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>>77600535
Like I said, it is difficult to explain. I'm still trying to figure out how to describe it because it is multiple parts of your body at once as well as a weird blend of conscious effort as well as some aspects of how your eye focuses that require you to know when your eye is "doing its own thing, correct. But I know the technique worked on me.
And whats more, it worked despite me having horrible eye hygiene. I work from home so I stare at screens for 8 hours a day at arm's length.

>>77600955
My Axial length was measure, it was 25mm 2 months ago, and now it is 23mm.

>>77600535
Optometry is a 70 billion dollar industry in the US. If I reveal a way to naturally deal with the majority of their customer base (my technique only fixes axial elongation myopia which is 80% of optometry patients) then they will kill me bury the miracle the virgin told me to give to the world.

I heard the words of Bartimaeus when I was imparted the technique: "Ῥαββουνί ἵνα ἀναβλέψω" in the koine greek, this explicitly means "Master, that I might regain my sight." This is an indication that sight was lost and can be regained, and christ healed it instantly.

>>77601013
dont stop keep sharing - even if you don't know how to describe it trying (and us asking) will eventually lead to the aprroximate conclusion

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>>77601029
The technique requires a complete understanding and control of the occipital muscles along with what I can only describe as feeling the "softened float state." Its a means of getting your eye to reverse the focused state brought on by years of looking at things up close. This is the part I have the most difficulty describing as I just innately feel the parts moving from here on in the technique, and after that part, there come being able to align occipital muscle movements in tandem with how your eye is in the softened float state. You'll know you're doing it right when your eyes naturally cry from the effect of the technique and feel/hear a fleshy popping at the outsides of your eyeball (the parts closest to your ear)

What sucks is I am an N of 1 in this. I know I am proof as reversal from 20/100 to 20/8 is impossible in adults. That kind of change is only ever seen in children and its exceedingly rare but usually attributed to developmental grow restoring the eyes' shape. But getting empirical evidence for others is needed and that exposure will make the optometry industry kill me the second phase 1 studies prove my technique as valid.

Unless I can get to the Vatican and they accept and internally fund the research to prove this, I don't know how this could get to the public. Especially when its extremely complex to teach others at least at this point.

>>77601055
>"softened float state"
what do you see? do you mean you are defocusing (everything is becoming blurry because you are "focusing" at the wrong distance closer or further than your actual surroundings)?

>when your eyes naturally cry
do you mean they become watery?

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>>77601063
Blurring your vision is after you are able to control your occipital muscles and get into the softened float state. If you just blur your eyes by defocusing, it doesn't do anything because your eye shape is still egg shaped. Without proper understanding and feeling of your occipital muscles you can't properly do anything. Likewise if you can't get your eye into the softened float state, you'll never be able to get it into a way that can gradually change shape back to normal.
This is where my personal physical experience is difficult to translate into instruction because I just feel my occipital muscles doing the right way and I don't know how to tell you how I get into the softened float state because its not just defocusing. Its where your eye isn't completely desynced from your other eye but isn't holding anything in its focus while also kinda floating backwards in your eye socket. I don't know how to tell people how I do this because it feel innate.

>do you mean they become watery?
Yes they become water but its real warm tears, not watery eyes you get from being sleepy or starring at a light too much.

The Virgin Mary said that this technique would open the eyes of the entire world so they may see again, so that they might believe.

>>77600519
>How do I share this miracle with the world without the optometry industry putting 2 bullets in the back of my head?
just post it here right now stupid

>>77601070
okay this kinda starts to sound like some ezoteric bs but lets continues anyway - what "floats" and what becomes "soft" in the SFT?

also how do youcommand your two eyes independently ("desynced from your other eye")? what do you mean by this? what do you mean by "floating bakcwards in your eyesocket"? is this a proprioceptive experience?

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>>77601070
Protestants and Orthodox BTFO. catholics giving humanity the Byakugan for free.

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>>77601086
i know it sounds esoteric but thats the difficulty of explaining something that you just know how to do innately but isn't easily visible. I wish I had 3D X-ray video of me doing the technique so someone could quantify the actions in real terms and mechanism. Like I said, I've been getting everything in terms of results confirmed by my optometrist and ophthalmologist (both of whom look at my 10 years of medical records and me suddenly changing in 1 month as being "one of those rare medical anomalies." I of course didn't share the technique or any of my ramblings about the dream that imparted me this.

So what I mean by soften and float is that I go for sort of a 1000 yard stare, not focusing on anything, but not intently trying to blur my vision. Then I just kinda get my eye to float back into the back of my head. I don't know how to explain this as it doesn't involve the occipital muscle movement. I just make my eye "float" backwards slightly. Then when its floating, the eye starts to feel "softer." Once its in the softened float, you can start to very gradually use your occipital muscles to pull eyes in the opposite direction of focus. The eye then, when in movement (walking) will try and align by itself without any input from you the environment (I presume this is just a natural aspect of the brain trying to refine destabilized vision)

>how do youcommand your two eyes independently
Ok so if you blur your vision on purpose and keep blurring it, you will eventually reach a point where in that blur there will be 2 seperate visions. This is your eyes completely decoupling their unified vision. You can test this with a light source as you can't really see anything for reference in that much of a blur. But if you have a light source at the center of your vision when you start blurring, you will eventually see 2 of the starburst lights in the blur.

ooh boy anon, i know exactly what you mean woth the float state. I have a slight shortsightedness, and sometimes im im this floatstate to relaxe them, especially after abusimg them with too much screemtime, and i always suspected that they could reverse or heal, but i never sticked long enough to it to see any longtime improvement
but thank you for sharing your experiences and insights

Absolutely based thread.

>>77601101
It's pure schizo babble.
If the vision could be reversed by just doing some exercises it would have been discovered already. We can literally loosen all the muscles around the eye with medications and it doesn't restore your vision at all. There is no way to reverse myopia because it's caused by habits we didn't evolve for. Humans were never meant to look at shit up close for 7+ hours a day. We're meant to scan the area for predators at all times. That's why Amish and rural African people who don't go to school or use computers don't have myopia. They are using their eyes for their intended purpose of looking broadly. They never fuck up their eye shape by looking at schoolwork, computers, or phones.

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>>77601096
would you agree with the statement "softening the eye is actually the eye muscles relaxing"?

also occipital is the back of your head, has nothing to do with your eyes (pic related). the eye has extraocular and intrinsic muscles.

>>77601100
you should also get in on explaining this technique and experience how to do it

>>77601113
>bro you can get stiff but stretching wont help you because it is genetics
>bro i say upper cross sydrome is not real its genetics
>bro I have a phd in physical exercise
>bro I am competing bodybuilder bro
>bro it is irreversible bro
>bro it can only go in one direction bro believe me bro

>>77601143
i dont know, its a bit like stopping your focus, but not getting crosseyed. You simply relaxe your eye completely and dont force the focus, and it starts focusing on its ownbut without any straining feel or force. it feels a bit like floating and similar to what op dedcribes. And that feels very good and recovering for the eye. But maybe im completely off and op talks about something completely different

>>77600519
Tell them it was DMSO

>>77601113
There's obviously more to it than that. I'm 35 and have been on the computer all day long since I was a kid, and before that I was on the tv all day long. My vision is still great, no need for glasses. I know it's not genetics because both my parents and my younger sister need glasses despite none of them being on screens nearly as much as me. It's pretty obvious that I'm doing something differently, although I have no idea what it is.

>>77601150
thanks it helps - I believe this is exactly what's going on: extraocular muscles stretch and stiffen the eyeball and relaxing them gives that "floating" and "softening"

>>77601167
yes that describes it good, i have generally too much tension on my face all the time, and it seems jjat this is not good for the eye amd too much, by relaxing them completely, you dont actually relaxe everything about the eye, but just the muscles that shouldnt be working on the eye to begin with and form them too strong, but get used as help for focusing for long durations, and you kinda get used to usimg them all the time

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>>77601100
The float state is just one of the 6 pieces in the technique. You need
>Float (inexplicable)
>Soften (subjective feeling)
>Occipital engagement (completely learnable)
>Desynced threshold (completely learnable)
>Active "loosening and popping" of eye (inexplicable)
>Corrective movement (brain does this automatically if you're at the threshold)

All of those factors also have to be done gradually, at all times while awake to get the results I did. All waking hours I was doing the technique, even though I looked like I had Tourettes. It won't "fix" in a day. Its incremental and only "perfect" after a month of doing it all waking hours.

>>77601143
Softening the eyes isn't exactly relaxing your eyes. Its first getting it to "float" backwards into your eye socket, and then after they have floated for some time you will feel the eye get "soft" relative to how it normally feels in the socket.

And you say the occipital muscles have nothing to do but those are the muscles I'm literally working and moving my neck around to complete the technique. Once you are able to get into the softened float state, using your occipital muscles to pull the ey

es in the inverse direction of focusing is key.

>>77601160
Are you saying this is how they'll kill me for revealing this miracle?

>>77601150
This is the start of it. Getting the float is the first step, but there are multiple moving parts to get aligned. Then once you get them, you have to do them non-stop for a month to reshape the eye gradually over time.

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>>77601143
You are literally taking this schizo christcuck's hallucinations as something valid? He probably just got LASIK and is lying.

The Catholic church can't stop with the Ws in 2026. I wish there was a way to get you to Rome so the church could confirm your shit internally so they could protect you from eyeball capitalists.
I wonder if China and Japan would convert if this is true. Like 99% of their populations have myopia.

>>77601197
relax my dude, BigGlasses is not out to get you

musculus occipitalis does not attach to (nor originatefrom) the eyeball (originates from the the superior nuchal line of the occipital bone and from the mastoid process of the temporal and attaches to the the epicranial aponeurosis) so I don't know what you expect from it. M. occipitalis usually moves the scalp - it moves my ears (its funny for others to look at).

(Even though PRI talks a lot about the proprioception, vision, the shape of the skull and how unalignment in the body and musculature can deform the skull itself.)

How long is the "after they have floated for some time"?
How do you use your m. occipitalis?

>>77601202
sounds eerily close to what PRI teaches and they are a respectable establishment so yeah, I am interested in learning new things and experimenting

>>77601223
Who the fuck is PRI and why are they valid to you? This dude is literally just making up shit after seeing a raghead latina in his dreams because his daddy read him too many Bible stories.

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>>77601217
Occipital, suboccipital, whichever it is, its the muscles in the back of the neck that I feel that are part of this technique. I have to literally move my neck physically and coordinate the internal straining sensation from what I can only approximate as my occipital muscles by locality as to what is helping to perform the reversal force on my eyes in the opposite direction from focus.

Time can vary based on experience. If you know you're in float and you subjectively feel the "softness", and can feel the occipital strain on the eyeball, you can then immediately take a light source and find the threshold for vision desync. The hard part comes from getting to the threshold and then getting to the active "loosening and popping" phase. You are essentially trying to find synthesis between the threshold level of your vision before desync and your normal vision in the float. Your eyes will try and calibrate naturally between them with involuntary blinks. It takes some practice, but once that it well grounded, you can start doing very light movement to get your brain's "compass" of wanting to know where you are you start auto-syncing your vision.

Also you say nobody will kill me, but if every guy who makes a water-powered car has been killed, i know that revealing my techinque that is likewise low cost and free for something that is an 80 billion dollar industry just in the US alone will lead me to being ended for messing with their money.

I have a duty to give the Virgin's gift to humanity so that they may see and with vision they might believe.

>>77601259
google it if you are interested

>>77601260
still waiting for an approximation: 1 sec, 10 sec, 1 min, 10 min, etc.

sounds like you are retraining the vision-proprioception-balance-coordination system which is nice

on a side note: water powered cars would need an infinite energy source and afawk there is none. don't believe everything you read on the internet.

If you are so inclined to give this gift to humanity you should publish it. Maybe even write a scientific paper. I bet that you can find a curious optalmologist and do a live ultrasound (X-rays do not show soft tissue).

Also first you need to be able to find out what this technique is how it works and how you can formulate it properly to be able to actually teach it to others. I would gladly help you in this.

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>>77601288
I'm all for getting it to the masses so they can regain their vision naturally. Its just how to bridge that gap without getting killed by a 70 billion dollar industry that I would essentially be killing by making this public knowledge. The technique can be taxing.

>Time
so it takes about 30 seconds to properly get your eyes to "float" from doing the thousand yard stare to the point you feel them "float" in place. Then while you're in that point, you just have to feel out when it is "softer." At this point it only takes me a few seconds because my eye has been through the rougher part of being axially elongated, but when I first started the technique, it would take a minute or 2 to feel "soft."

Once floating and soft, you blur your own vision to the point of desyncing your eyes. The worse your prescription, the harder it is because its a longer distance in mm to get to the point your 2 foci are desync manually. This process can take about a minute to 5 depending on your prescription from my indication.

the active "loosening and popping" is where the real work it. It happens over hours. Your eyes constantly working with your occipital muscles to move the eye in the opposite direction of focus is incremental, but you'll notice the results week over week. By 2 weeks i didn't need my glasses to see signs at night anymore.

And finally, once you can consistently get your eyes into the active loosening and popping stage, you can start doing small walking movements with anchor points of vision (a light source, a black object constracts by a white background, etc) and get your brain to start automatically trying to sync your vision with your movement. This accelerates everything relative to the slow pace of the loosening and popping phase.

All of these aspects were imparted to me as if they were innate knowledge from the Virgin Mary in my dream. Any empirically assessed language I'm using is me just using claude to understand how to describe it.

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>>77601095
First miracles convince Joe schmid, now we get a miracle for the whole world to cuck Big Glasses, Big Lasik, and Big contacts.
Rome can't stop winning

>>77601316
>public knowledge
you can't expect that you will be able to reach "all humanity" - not even the internet (and pcs) was able to do that even though it is with us for 40 years now. so obviously you should expect that you start a special school, a movement, a youtube channel, write ebooks and epamphlets and send them to anyone that is still breathing and hope it sticks. PRI is a phenomenal thing but barely heard anybody of them. Or dynamic remodeling. Niche solutions need time to proliferate and that is completely okay.

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>>77601322
I'm sorry for my ignorance, but what is
>PCS
>PRI
I just don't know what those are and google/claude don't give me anything relevant to vision.

Also how can I spread something if it getting empirically proven could put optometrists out of business? It would be nice if I could at least made enough money to be stable off of something as desire and miraculous as this, but the decree by the Virgin was I had to make all of humanity regain their sight so that they might believe from having their sight restored. I'm not looking to be a get rich quick guru praying on peoples desire for better vision, I'm looking to impart something given to me by divine mandate so a world that is.

>>77601132
This. Plus eating liver for vitamin A and getting plenty of sunlight into your eyes.

>>77601345
PRI is Postural Restoration Institute
PCs are Personal Computers

>how can I spread ...
very easy: it"s called capitalism! It is a competition and if You have a better product it sure will have demand for it - if You have an adequate marketing that is. I really dislike the idea that money and business is ethically or morally wrong, I think it is really ... myopic. Spreading the news takes effort, costs money and time and if You don't take it seriously it very well can fall into the Abyss because of this supposed ethical, moral highground. Think of it liek this: if You get money (time and effort) from people You successfully helped You can reinvest these resources to help even more people. I don't see anything wrong with that - in fact that's the only reasonable thing to do.

Having a mission is blessing but as Dawkins put it: "having an open mind is great but not that open that our brain falls out".

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>>77601547
optimistic outlooks on capitalism don't help me bridge the empirical testing gap to validate my process further than the N of 1 that is me, much less protect me from the optometry industry from killing me for potentially destroying their entire client base.

If i could, i would make a website that is accessible to all with tutoring lessons if I could. I'd only charge $10.51 (as in mark 10:51 which was the lesson I learned to obtain the technique) 5 dollars of every course would go to catholic charities, 5 dollars would go to server maintenance and platform work, and I would only take $0.51 per person doing the course.

If I could do get 10% of the 2 billion people (200 million) who have mild myopia that could get results I could do great work for charity in the name of the Virgin Mary with only a small recompense for me, that would be ideal for spreading it across world.

>>77601547
>Postural Restoration Institute
what the fuck does posture have to do with eyes?

>>77601321
Catholics are demon worshippers. Baptists are the only real Christians left.
This vision OP is getting is likely just Satan tempting him with power

>>77601013
Schizophrenia medication should not have an effect on your eyes

>>77601693
Paranoid misconceptions won't help You either - in fact, the opposite. Many such cases thati inventions were forgotten because the inventor wouldn't act on his opportunity.

As for the website and the price: good idea. Now We getting somewhere. Charities don't do much and those dollars won't go to fulfill Your mission (how is fulfilling Your mission any different from Your idea of a charity?). When You reached that 200 million saturation You can start to think about charity work (the previous part is definitely not going down in the drain).

>>77601832
maybe read up on that

>>77601055
>Unless I can get to the Vatican and they accept and internally fund the research to prove this, I don't know how this could get to the public. Especially when its extremely complex to teach others at least at this point.
Just shoot them an email but Catholics are EXTREMELY suspicious of miracles. It probably won't go through.

Anyway, sounds like muscle control, just for the eye muscles.It's plausible.

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>>77602129
Well that is why i'm trying to figure out how to properly study up on optometry to understand the mechanism of action that this miracle is creating, quantify how the technique even works, how to systematize and make it repeatable for other humans to practice, how to get it empirically assessed, and finally, how to do all of that without getting committing suicide by 4 shots to the back of my head for fucking with a 70 billion dollar industry.

I feel like given the process is relative quick for individuals with mild myopia like I had (-3 diopters or lower) which is 60% of all myopia sufferers in the world, it has the potential to catch on quickly and disturb a massive industry. Given that I can't just release this carte blanche without just sounding like another guru scamming people for my "method", the only way to legitimize this is empirical study. That process will take 2-5 years, and in that time, someone will notice that I'm standardizing a way to eliminate 80% of optometry's customers for only $10.51. Thats when some corpo at the head of the industry will send someone to kill me and bury any research related to this process.

With that context that leaves me in a staged process
>1. Figure out how to explain the technique
>2. Get the Technique Empirically assessed
(this is the stage they kill me)
>3. Standardize and make the technique available for low price to maintain server and platform costs so even low income users can access the content in the developed world
>4. After 10 years, make the platform open source so that it is available to everyone in the world that has a smartphone or internet connection

Bridging the gap between where I am right now only know the technique but being a provable N of 1 for its viability and getting it to the world so that they might see, and the miracle of seeing might make them believe in Christ is vast.

>2026
>Still believing in eye exercises
Yeah, I'm sure doing 3 sets of schizo scowls daily will get your vision back OP.

>>77602372
The act part sounds good. The paranoid part does not. You can't have two opposing views at once:
1) it is difficult to reach a significant number of people in a given time
2) they will kill me because I am so massive of an influence

I suggest to find a therapist for this (dr. Orion Taraban looks great in this manner).

Good luck, Anon. Hope we will hear from You.

>>77600519
>I've had my vision checked and my vision in confirmed improved
Post pics of your test results before/after or gtfo

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>You'll know you're doing it right when your eyes naturally cry from the effect of the technique and feel/hear a fleshy popping at the outsides of your eyeball (the parts closest to your ear)
very interesting thread OP, i will be lurking here, and will screenshot for later.
myopic short sighted fuck with astigmatism here too. i get this sometimes when im not wearing glasses and forcing myself to focus text on things far away. not like a knuckle pop, not like an air bubble in your eyelids, but some tissue or something in your eyes or muscle around the eye.
i throw youtube on my tv and open the comment section and pause the video. i force myself to get the text “clear” without squinting. it can take a while but once my eyes have focussed it’s like i have near 20:20 vision ahain, but after a blink it’s gone and it needs to refocus.
in my meat headed logic:
eyes have muscle. muscle can be trained. mine are all tight from looking at screens up close since childhood. ergo, i need to train them to relearn how to focus on things far away again.
… but i do this very randomly, im not on a strict routine at all, so my vision is not much better. i have seen tiny improvements but that could just be a good nights sleep, hydration, etc. who knows?
would you say pic related is any bit similar? i saved this from /fit/ years ago.

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>>77602582
no its not the muscles, its the shape of your eye. Axial elongation causes the eye to take an egg shape rather than a sphere, which fucks up your focus. Your muscles straining the eye in 1 direction from focusing too much on close things causes it to take that shape. Doctors say its impossible to reverse because there isn't a way to get the eye back to spherical shape after your eyes have strained it into an egg shape.
I'm presuming OP has somehow figured out some way to us different muscles to pull "in the opposite direction of focus" like he says to make your eye spherical again. I don't know how he is doing it because he says he uses his occipital muscles but those don't actually connect to the eyeball, but his concept makes sense in terms of reversing actual myopia.

>>77602582
yes this is the idea of todd becker too. he recommends having a slightly off (0.5 or sg like that) pair of glasses and use that for training. regularity is king. (I also have that pic.)

>>77602722
yeah op is mystical, a little bit of a nut case (resembling saint from the golden age desu) ... I don't see why opthalmologists would say that there is no muscles shaping the eye into an egg form (how the fuck would then the eye get into that shape in the first place?) so no reversal is possible. at the same time other people (opthalmologists) claim the opposite, who knows.

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>>77601113
Yet those hillbillies and niggers don't have any 20/10 or 20/9 vision.

>>77602765
>at the same time other people (opthalmologists) claim the opposite
who are these ophthalmologists claiming myopia is reversible?

>>77602765
opthalmologists would confirm that the muscles straining cause the eye to deform into an egg shape. What they reject is that any other muscle movement could reverse the eye back to a spherical shape.
Right now, if you use medicine to loosen all the muscles around the eye, it won't stop the eye from being egg shaped. The muscles formed it, now the shape is (supposedly) stuck like that forever as we don't see a mechanism to pull in the opposite direction.
Thats why makes OP's statement interesting. He would have solved the entire problem if he could somehow move muscles to reverse the shape change from the focus muscles.
>>77602784
>20/20 vision is usually genetic in nature.

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>>77602765
>>77602582
how would wearing glasses of lesser power change the shape of the eye? This is dogshit logic. The eye isn't "weak" and needing training, its malformed and needing restructuring to return to its normal shape.

>>77602837
>What they reject is that any other muscle movement could reverse the eye back to a spherical shape.
They don't really reject it, as much as there has been no real physical therapy that can just do it™
You can increase or lower the pressure in the eye, but it doesn't do what you want. We don't really know how the eye adjusts focus if you do something like Palming, or Active Focus as the later myopia cultists term it, mostly due a lack of wanting to do experiments with gear that is hard to access.

And based on the work of Otis and Bates and quite a few others, its not as simple as strapping a electrode to a point and just getting it to pulse a little bit, for some period of time. And I guess that would make sense if its a function inside of the eye, where as the 3 angles of rotation on the outside is mendable by electrode.

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>>77602840
you’re confusing me and naruto posting OP. my eyemaxxing pic uses the logic of
>oh you failed to do a deadlift? here use this machine to assist you lifting the weight
your lower back will atrophy, is the logic. as in, using glasses to have clear vision is machine assisted training whereas using the “wrong” opposite glasses forces your eyes to adjust when they arent wearing glasses. and also the barbell analogy of using both hands, where in my pic the guy was on about using an eyepatch to asymmetrically train your eyes.
OP is talking about some eyeball relaxing technique he hasnt properly explained yet.

>>77602917
yeah but nothing in your system fixes axial elongation. The only way to fix that is if there is some way to stress the eye in the oppose direction of how it was stretched from focusing.

I want to know how the fuck OP does that with muscles that aren't even connected to the eyes.

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>>77602786
yeah I was mistaken todd becker is not an opthalmologist per se (even though seems to be quite knowledgable).

>>77602837
its worse, according to gemini this is supposed to be a cellular level structural change caused by "outside stimuli" which desu sounds like bs

the focus muscles are inside the eyeball and are stretching the lens.

>>77602840
well focusing is changing the shape of the lens and that should be reversible. on the eyeshape question I have no answer rn.

>>77603072
well we have a working theory that muscles attached to the skull can deform it and as the skull so does the eye socket - and muscles attached to the eyeball are originating from the bones of the eyesocket. but claiming that these external muscles play a part in elongating the eye is ... dubious.

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>>77603126
>according to gemini

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Why not just tie weights to your eyelids and do 10 sets of blinks?

>>77601132
>>77601521
Then why my coworkers who do exactly the same thing for exactly the same time, even longer sometimes, have normal eyesight while mine deteriorates? Look around dumb niggerfaggots, some goy cattle has better eyesight than the other in the same environment. This shit doesn't fucking work.

can someone summarize this dudes stuff, it will show how easily it can be refuted or applied without his illusive flowery language

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>>77603803
He gave a kind of an overview here
>>77601197


>You have to get your eyes to "float" by doing a thousand yard stare
>You have to feel them get "soft" from doing this
>You have engage your occipital muscles
No idea what the the fuck this part means
>You have to blur your own vision until your eyes desync and 2 images are visible, then you have to slowly put those 2 images back together
>In doing this you will actively feel "loosening and popping" of the eye
>You start walking while doing all that shit and somehow your brain starts auto-clearing your vision

I think I understand everything except for how the fuck OP has muscles connecting to his eye from the back of his head and how to actively loosen and pop the eye.

Use pinhole glasses
Do sungazing and never wear sunglasses

>>77604120
>Pinhole
Doesn't fix your eye shape. Just cheats to focus light

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>>77603790
Option A:
He follows 202020 rule
Option B
Or he has not gotten to the optrimist to get new glasses, meaning the next step of degradation do not happen
Option C
He has no astigmatism, meaning his vision sharpness is correct, whereas with astigmatism the eye registers the duplicate images of the astigma as sharp.

Is there any merit to what OP is saying it is just Christian LARPing as eyegains?

>>77600519
When did /fit/ turn into /x/?

>>77604372
You are on a subforum where we argue why one exercises is better than its equal exercise.
Where a lot of the foundation is built via pro athlete training programs.

Starting Strength is for college freshman and rugby, not for the physically weak....
The Norwegian 4x4 requires you to be in extreme physical condition to even practice, over its lower variant HIIT
Massive amounts of people struggle with the idea that their influences are lying to them over their steroid abuse.
We pick our favorite rodent studies for our exotic supplements.

>>77604372
What, you don't want gains from Jesus?

>>77604094
>inexplicable
>inexplicable

he is literately making shit up while posting Naruto images to feel like some sort of a Ninja or some autistic childish shit

its fucking crazy how some people tolerated this retarded thread
and he is more of a piece of shit, trying to troll people who are dealing with vision problems

>>77603126
use Claude next time, it actually pushes back instead of conforming to your views and licking your ass

>>77604094
>You have to blur your own vision until your eyes desync and 2 images are visible, then you have to slowly put those 2 images back together
>You start walking while doing all that shit and somehow your brain starts auto-clearing your vision
I think he is simply doing these 2, which works as an eye exercise
wile the rest is made up stuff that his Otaku virgin brain made up

>>77604839
So how is he fixing an egg shaped eye by exercising?

>>77604861
I don’t think he is fixing the shape, but rather getting his eye muscles stronger and easier to control for focusing better on demand, but once he disengage his eye muscles, his eye will go back to an egg shape (thats where the eye blurring "ability" comes)

>>77604870
So OP is full of shit? There is no way to reverse axial elongation into the egg shape? You're just fucked if you ever focused on close shit at school or screens?

>>77604372
when the medical community showed they were fraudsters in covid era

>>77604905
maybe its just a case of doing the “blurring and letting it auto-refocus” a lot can help? but like, A LOT. people other than OP have said stuff like this before. but you have to be doing it daily for any improvement.

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>>77601055
>focal bench presses

>>77605398
>of doing the “blurring and letting it auto-refocus” a lot can help? but like, A LOT
So what pinhole glasses do

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>>77605718
Pinhole glasses don't do shit. You're not doing anything to correct your elongated egg-ass eyeball. They literally just cheat by honing the light through a small point to your eye so that it is perfect through the contrasted receptacle.
>>77605398
Blurring and "auto-focusing" is not gonna do anything. It can at best help to stop ciliary muscle spasms that can worsen your vision, but it can't reshape the eye. You might get 0.25 diopter improvement by stopping cillary muscle spasms brought on by near focus, but you'll never correct myopia that way. Unless someone can figure out how the hell OP is using his goddamn occipital muscles on the back of his skull to "reverse" focus, this is all just hearsay LARP.

You can't fix egg eyes. /fit/ should ban anyone who makes an eye improvement thread. Its all snake oil.

Would Atropine drops work?
They are used to slow down and reverse myopia on children by relaxing the eye muscles

>>77604336
Nothing is really controversial. Craniosacral, myofascial, facial yoga, accupunture, all these fields have methods for relaxing perpetually tense muscles. Perpetually tense muscles of the head and around the eyes can distort the shape of the eyeball and worsen vision. Correcting the tension should reshape the eyeball and therefore restore vision. Is OPs method replicable? Who knows. It could be a hyper-specific set of multiple muscular imbalances that this method purportedly resolves which wouldn't do anything for somebody else.

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>>77606636
relaxing muscles doesn't stop your eye from being egg shaped. The muscles have already done the damage by stretching the eye into that shape. You would have to be on non-stop Atropine for months for that to even hypothetically work.
You would have to be blind and even then, you're HOPING that having no muscle activity on your eye would allow it to return to its normal spherical shape.
>>77606650
explain how moving muscles that aren't even connected to the eye could reverse the lateral pulling of the eyeball backwards causing it to become egg shaped.

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>>77606666
This poster is evil and doesn't want you to have your eyes healed by Jesus

>>77606666
>You would have to be on non-stop Atropine for months for that to even hypothetically work.
Thats exactly how it works. See children treatment.
Though even at standalone drops the effect obliterates nearly all side effects of continuously focusing at close distance
>you're HOPING that having no muscle activity on your eye
Holy shit you dense. You didnt even read the thread
You DO need such far sighting muscle activity in order to reverse short sighting muscle activity consequences

>>77606701
there is no muscle that reverses what the focus muscles do

Sungazing works

>>77603790
You haven't actually tried it. It takes months of dedication and consistency, like going to the gym and eating healthy, before you start to see significant results.

>Look around dumb niggerfaggots, some goy cattle has better eyesight than the other in the same environment.
That's just the nature of reality. Some people have to work harder than others to achieve the same things. You can cry about it or you can put in the work. How much do you value your eyesight? Do you value it enough to try every esoteric healing strategy under the sun? That's the only question that matters.

If you're too lazy to put in the work with the Bates method: the bare, BARE minimum that you have to do is get sunlight into your eyes for 10 minutes every day at sunrise and sunset. Do that and you will feel your eyes healing in real time. You won't regain 20/20 vision, but the deterioration you're experiencing will at least slow or stop.

>>77604094
>I think I understand everything except for how the fuck OP has muscles connecting to his eye from the back of his head
Everyone has muscles that control their eyes. Are you retarded?

>>77606982
>It takes months of dedication and consistency

This is why OP doesn't need to worry about getting whacked by optometrists. Any natural cure that takes persistence and effort is, by nature, unmarketable. People want something they can shove on their face to fix the problem.

If the Lady wanted the technique out there, this thread is probably enough. People will try it out and who knows, maybe someone will benefit.

Sadly my vision is already perfect but I will give it a shot anyway.

>>77606984
OP says he uses his occipital muscles to reverse focus muscle tension. There are no muscles connecting the occipital muscles to the eyeball to do this. This is like saying you used your bicep to strengthen your quad. They aren't even remotely connected

>>77606730
explain how getting massive amounts of photons directly into your eye reverses your eye shape being malformed from thousands of hours of looking at things up close with your eye muscles pulling them back

>>77607123
I think OP's paranoia is completely rational. The system actively suppresses real solutions to medical problems.

But yeah, of course a lot of normies are going to be unwilling to put in the work. There's a reason why most people don't lift or eat healthy.
>Sadly my vision is already perfect but I will give it a shot anyway.
You're lucky. Cherish your perfect vision and make sure you take care of your eyes. Having bad vision is a debilitating curse.

>>77607221
it just does, because i fucking said so

>>77607563
so you admit you're just full of shit.
>>77607558
big eyeball isn't gonna kill him. Hes just a schizo pussy.

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>>77607201
the skeletal muscle system is a tensegrity sytem and is connected also through proprioception (vision, balance, feeling of ground under the bare feet) - a small imbalance (like 2mm asymmetric bite on one single tooth or like the systemic anatomical assymmetry of the diaphragm) can (and will) ripple through the whole body as automatic corrective actions (left AIC for example, the "John Wayne stance") and this can become real bad with time if unmanaged/untreated for long. this imbalance affects neck muscles and the muscles of the head (skull) and can distort the (somewhat) symmetric shape of the skull prett badly. look up PRI (Postural Restoration Institute)

>>77607221
supposedly the lengthening of the eye happens on the cellualr level (tissue breakdown and rebuild elsewhere) because of the special way light affects the eye and this could be reversible by changing the optical environment of the eye

>>77607864
>because of the special way light affects the eye
No its because your eyes strain focusing and pull your eyeball backwards to look closely.

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>>77607869
>pull your eyeball backwards
You clearly don't know how eyes focus.

>>77607910
you clearly don't understand how axial elongation works.
see
>>77602722

I took a class awhile ago where the instructor had us palpate our suboccipitals and move our eyes around. You can feel the different ones fire depending on what direction you look. Not entirely relevant but there you go.

Real schyzo hours who tf squintin dey eyes???!

>>77601070
OH SHIT remember how the Guadalupe image has reflections in the eyes too??? OP you're on to something here

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>>77602500
I'll get my Ophthalmic Assessment reports tomorrow when they give me access to the web portal
>>77603126
call cellular structural change, but it worked gradually over a month and now i'm here.
>>77604094
Engaging your occipital muscles whens i'm moving my muscles on the back of my neck in tandem with my eyes in the softened float state. It literally looks like i'm having a tourettes attack, but its what I innately learned from the Virgin.
>>77604829
I'm trying to figure out how to explain it. Its hard when you just know how to do something innately that isn't visible to others nor is it something most people would even know how to feel. Most people just know how to focus their vision and squint.
>>77604839
Those parts only work once you can get the eyes malleable in the softened float state and where you can manipulate them from your occipital muscles engagement in the opposite direction of focus. If you try focusing your vision, you can feel where the strain is on your physical spherical eyeball. I inverse that pressure in the technique.
>>77604861
If pulling the eyes back elongates it, you have to push the eyeball back in equilibrium of where it was pull to reverse axial elongation. That is what I have assessed of the results of the technique.

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>>77606730
I'm not to sure about this. It wasn't part of the technique. I used light sources to see when I'm at the blur threshold as a point of reference, but nothing more than that.
>>77607123
I still fear providing a result that, while a bit time consuming, can be done passively enough to where you can get results (at least from my experience) with horrible eye hygiene. I stare at a computer for 8 hours a day for work while doing the technique and it worked despite that obvious negative terrain.
>>77607201
I don't get it mechanistically either, but that is where I feel the tension to reverse the focus.
>>77607864
I still don't understand PRI for reference fully. Is there a short video?
>>77608123
This was quite prominent in my dream, but the focus was the Virgin making me see the healing of Bartimaeus rather than focusing on her eye. It felt like she was imparting unto me what Jesus did to Bartimaeus, who could see before but had gone blind. That he had myopia in the ancient world and Christ did this all at once to restore his sight. The original Koine Greek explicitly states that he wanted "to see again."

Why won't putting small weights on your eyes that push them deeper into the eyesocket work? It would be the reverse of the elongation of the eye.

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>>77607965
yes that is complete bs :)

>>77607993
very interesting I can feel that too (even though they are not contracting rather the skull deforms and pulls them)!

>>77608225
short video? no. I suggest this channel:
https://www.youtube.com/user/nealhallinan

were You a devoted christian before Your dream?

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>>77608571
Yes, always been a pretty firm catholic. Church most sundays, working for the knights of columbus 2-3 times a year for charity, fasting for Lent. But I wouldn't consider myself "devoted", I'm quite lacking and not as well read or active in the church as I should be.

>>77608500
If the direction eyes need to shift is away from the brain due to axial elongation, you need something that can go in the opposite direction outward. The calibration of the eye needs to delicately pull the shape proper back to being spherical. There is no way to properly anchor any exterior object to the actual eyeball to make this change.

thats why I convey that there is something with the way that my occipital muscles and neck movement are somehow, gradually, helping to move it back in the right direction.

>>77608766
yeah, figured. christians always have christian visions, buddhists buddhist, muslims muslim, shintoists shintoist, etc.

is english Your first language? some of Your sentences are very awkward to read (I would venture out and guess that You speak portuguese ... Brazil maybe? would explain the zealous devotion)

tell Us more about the floating and softening! were You able to do these before Your dream too or You were suddenly and abrubtly able to do so?

>>77600519
No, ancient Mesopotamian man, you must not share your one simple trick.

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>>77608832
No, American born and bred, english is my mother tongue, Spanish is my 2nd language. I'm just phoneposting so I probably fuck up my grammar or a word while typing haphazardly.

I was never able to do anything related to this technique before the vision. I had tried reduced lens method for vision improvement probably 10 years ago when it was trending on youtube, but it didn't do shit for me. Since then i've just been living with myopia along with a few other health problems that proliferated as I got older.

Then I suddenly had this vision and the technique was innate to me. And again, it didn't have instant healing of my vision, gradually over a month I felt like I "tightened" my vision.

The float and softening, like I said, can only be described well by someone who can do the thousand yard stare. You don't focus or unfocus on anything. Your eye just is, without desyncing the two eye's visions (which is what happens if you go too far. Eventually doing this you can feel your eyes float in place and staying there you can feel them eventually feel objectively "soft" in your eye socket. Once the eyes are malleable in this state, then you can begin to use your occipital muscles to pull in the reverse direction of focus.

This is the part I don't know how to tell people. I just feel my muscles on the back of my neck moving in tandem with my eyes as I kind of jerk and shift around my neck in place.

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>>77608859
so there is a chance that nobody without the vision is able to do this

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>>77608896
That is something I want to understand, is HOW this technique is working. I was instructed to "open the eyes of the entire world so they may see again, so that they might believe." And the miracle in question I was forced to witness was Jesus healing a man who could see before, but lost his vision. Not someone born blind who had never seen like the other miracles of Jesus.

Granted that I didn't instantly gain healing but rather a method of restoring sight, I would feel that this must but something all humans can do. What I'm completely in the dark on is how this would work for someone with worse diopters than me.

-1.5 diopters or 20/80 vision it is actually tangible to see the progress from the "blur" state using a light source. But I'd imagine someone with -3 or worse myopia might not be able to actually assess they are doing it right because their vision is so fundamentally bad that they couldn't tell the difference. I have a theory that if someone with worse myopia worse weaker lens to the point that their vision would be 20/80, then they could do the technique just like me.

>>77601013
>>77601055
>bury the miracle the virgin told me to give to the world.
Are you sure this wasn't prelest? Because you're vagueposting to the extreme. Talk to a priest before making another thread on 4chan again.

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>>77608988
Well certain things need to be substantiated. How did this technique grant me perfect vision in such a short time despite all the literature saying otherwise?

What exactly is this technique i'm doing so I can have others replicate it?

Is it a one off personal situation where this only works on me specifically which would invalidate the vision? Or is it something all humans can perform and my vision would be more vindicatory?

I am not 100% convinced of a vindicatory miracle here. That is why I'm seeking out paths to validate it or see if others can do what I do, work from there. But the fact I had such insane progress in such short time relative to the vision is what makes me seek it out and take the virgin's mission seriously. .

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>>77609057
Well, Anon, We would like to see the othalmologist report (measurements taken)
>and even more examinatons are needed

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>>77609356
This is how easy life is for women. You don't even need implants, you can just wear a breastplate under clothing and your channel will simply blow up

>Catholic miracles
>It's just Mary worship
Papists every time.

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>>77609356
I'm not going to dox myself, especially this early in the game, but here is what I have from my exams.

My doc thinks its just a rare one off rather than believing I am actively doing anything to make this happen.

>>77610391
fucking hell man. i really wish that you could explain it because my eyesight is shit with floaters, small pain and flashes when i close my eyes

https://strawpoll.com/BDyNzPzrkyR

On the one hand, I have to give OP credit for creating discussion around this topic. On the other, I have to chastise him for being a vaguenigger chrigger schizo who is worthless at explaining anything. The reality remains that we desperately need REAL measurable solutions to the myopia problem and this seems to only be complicated by apparently everyone's eyes responding differently and at wildly varying rates. This place, besides maybe the forums for endmyopia is the #1 spot for serious discussion on this topic. Think about that.

I personally think the reduced lens methods have the most potential, by 'stimulating' your eyes with the edge of blur. But like I said there's no standard success rate to this and there's only anecdotes to go off of. You need to lock in everything perfectly for months to see tiny progress and do this without looking at screens which is nearly impossible for autists like me.

>>77601095
Why would she give him a technique instead of just fixing it? A demon could impart that…

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>>77610852
Its not vague if its something I'm trying my best to convey what is innate. Some anons in the thread understand some parts of my process
>>77601100
This anon gets how doing the thousand yard stare can get you into the floatstate and that eventually you can feel your eye get "soft" in that state after a while.

Others like
>>77604094
>>77604839
Get what I mean when I say to blur your vision to the point of your eyes desyncing in vision and then slowly bringing them back together and using movement to auto-clear the vision.

The only part I can't seem to tell people what I'm doing directly is the occipital muscle movements. I'm engaging occipitals in my neck while moving my head around in tandem with this movement to the point of getting the sensation that is in the reverse direction of how your eye strains when you focus up close.

With enough focus anyone can feel the subtle "strain" your eye does when you focus on something up close. But I can't explain is how I'm doing that with my neck muscles. Its just innate to me from that vision with the Virgin.

Also I tried reduced lens method for a whole year back in 2016 and it didn't do anything for me. I haven't tried anything else since until this vision imparted the technique upon me.

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>>77611029
>Be demon
>Want to spread sin and woe into humanity and draw them away from christ
>Appear to a Catholic as a very specific Marian apparition in their dreams
>Force him to watch Jesus health a blind guy
>Show him a naturalistic method to reverse modern blindness
>Say this is explicitly for the purpose of giving people their vision back so that they might believe in christ
This would have to be the most retarded demon ever. What would he even get from helping humanity get their vision back in Jesus' name?

>>77611037
>helping humanity get their vision back in Jesus' name
1. Through “Catholicism.”
2. Presuming it even works, it’s easy to argue the technique doesn’t truly originate from divine revelation, which would then serve as a “debunk” to be weaponzied.

>>77611095
Protestants are given the Byakugan and they reject it because it's from a Catholic. Wild.

>>77611168
https://orthodoxwiki.org/Prelest
You have to understand just how crafty the enemy can be.

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>>77611095
You think Guadalupe is Prelest? Also why does it offend you Jesus would want to heal people's eyes?

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>>77611188
Orthobros out here saying Marian Apparitions are Spiritual Deceptions and then will turn around be be like "Mt. Athos and Zeitoun are proof of Orthodoggy!"
Just let OP explain his method.

>>77611383
Zeitoun is coptic, not canonical Eastern Orthodox.
Orthodox faith isn’t rooted solely or predominantly in miracles because of how easily they can be falsified.
Just research the great schism from the Orthodox perspective.

>>77611031
How about coaching somebody 1-on-1 offline? If you got it imparted onto your brain, then there was no learning process, and you can't say what somebody should be doing to fix their eyesight. However if you successfully coach somebody then after some time you'll know how to describe your technique.

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>>77611814
I have to find someone with a low enough prescription as I had for a starting point and is committed enough to doing it 24/7 for a month. Unfortunately my siblings all have higher than -3 diopters so that would require a hypothetical lens reduction to even start the process of perceiving the blur threshold, which I think is a bad place to start as an N of 2. Likewise both my best friends have similarly bad vision and work high capacity jobs so they couldn't commit either.

My Wife has near perfect vision naturally but has mild astigmatism, which is a completely different issue from axial elongation caused myopia that must of the population suffers from, so the technique won't do much of anything to her from how I understand its mechanics.

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>>77610391
and You don't need to, this seems genuine, interesting

>>77611031
maybe You could draw some diagrams on head movement, on how Your vision (image) looks like to be more digestable

This >>77611814 Anon had a pretty good idea. How will we follow Your brogress after this thread dies? I don't visit /fit/ so much anymore (no reason).

>>77600519
>How do I share this miracle with the world without the optometry industry putting 2 bullets in the back of my head?
Rest assured. Shit like this doesn't actually happen. Look around for examples of people purported to have been killed for medical discoveries.

Last time I talked to someone about this, their example was a guy who died "mysteriously" after having a cure for cancer.

He died of liver failure, thirty years of drinking after "curing cancer". He was never a doctor and the cure was some bullshit like eating banana peels.

>>77612658
You never about them because they kill em and bury the news obviously. You think Edison shocking an elephant was the extent to which corpos will do to kill their competition?
Stop being so naive

Do people like OP really think corporations go around executing anyone with a disruptive idea? Even though disruptive start ups happen constantly? Why didn’t big taxi execute the founders of uber? Why hasn’t elon been executed for all his many disruptive businesses? Why didn’t big radio execute the inventor of the TV? Why didn’t nokia order a hit on steve jobs?

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>>77612954
there is a difference between competition that you can compete with, outperform with scope and scale, or buy out, and someone offering basically a free solution to what your entire industry does.
Optical companies can't just buy the eye technique's patent from OP. Hes trying to give away a solution for free what a billion dollar industry thrives off of. They would have every reason to kill him because he is not competition, he is a complete solution. How do you not see that?

>>77612908
That's so stupid lol.
I mean this was the very thing I asked about, I ask people every single time this comes up, I ask what these secret cases. Every single time they say the dumbest shit ever

NAME ONE EXAMPLE OR I'LL FUCKING KILL YOU

>>77612971
I said this before in this thread: if the technique requires effort and patience on the part of the user, it's not something you can sell. It's a bit like Janus Bifron's Angion Method for treating ED. Maybe it works, but it's too esoteric and high-effort to be any kind of a threat to the Cialis/Viagra industry. Nobody in big pharma is sweating over people doing Janus's peen exercises because they are marketing to the people who don't exercise.
Anyway my point is, Janus puts his name and face out there with his technique and he's just fine. OP will most likely be just fine too, especially if he uses a tiny bit of anonymity and opsec.

>(nervous corpo with bloodied knife behind his back) “we, uh, they dont actually kill people you know, that’s such a stupid conspiracy theory!”

>>77612971
Cool and basic exercise/diet is a complete solution to like 90% of the bullshit people get put on medication for, yet nobody is assassinating personal trainers.

But also, you just sound like you watch too many movies and conspiracy videos.

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>>77613142
Men don't need their dicks to work 24/7 so ED pills are still the obvious quick solution. Why work out your dick over months when you only need it to work for 30 minutes in a day and the pill can do that?
OP's method fixes something at people want, is constantly effecting your life, and makes people have genuine self-conscious issues about. Fucking zuckerberg went and had emergency lasik because he thinks the world will get so bad that he won't be able to reliably get glasses or contacts in the future.
You think a fast and free solution to vision that (at least by OP's time frame) is relatively quick and can even be done with our bad eye habits of working in front of computers all day won't be massively in demand?
You pay at a minimum $200 a year on eye insurance alone before getting into your $40 copay per visit and then the massive upcharge the optometrist places on the glasses starting at $150 for custom bifocals (and this is insane because online glasses stores will sell you the exact same prescription for $20.
You think people won't make the calculus of paying almost $400 a year for a half-ass solution in glasses or contacts vs. paying OP 10 bucks and grinding out a month?
Optometry would kill him on the spot for this.

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>>77612418
Ok so follow the Red and the blue arrows.

Are you able to pull your eye in the upward diagonal direction when you pull the muscle at the back of your neck while moving your entire neck in the subsequent direction?

>>77613445
No.

>>77614053
FUCK NO NIGGA. What kind of x-men shit are you pulling here? You can't pull your eyes with your neck muscles.