Yes.

>>77606779
No.
The demographic who did this in the 2010s are now fat, have a back/shoulder injury, and are mentally ill.

>>77606779
It's an absolute meme for 90% of beginners
Beginners almost always want to train for muscle growth and hypertrophy. Then fat fucks on reddit or /fit/ meme them into doing a powerlifting routine. Form is shit of course unless they lift with a good coach and they never do.
Just do machines, cables and the occasional dumbbell for isolation jfc, you can train to failure near day 1, it's simple, you will actually target the muscle you want to grow and you won't get injured. The gay hardon for barbells is ridiculous. Unless you want to do powerlifting you shouldn't squat or deadlift. Stay mad

The perfect antidote to the zoomers who come in, spam machines, 3x10 workouts, plateau and exhaust their beginner gains. Get strong in the main compounds and then switch gears to a intermediate programme, just as God intended

>>77606827
You're so retarded it's unbelievable. This has to be a Kike deliberately giving shit advice.

>>77606873
Nice argument lil buddy, keep doing those squats for your boyfriend

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>>77606840
>Get strong in the main compounds and then switch gears to a intermediate programme
why? because a fat guy said so ?

>>77606917
Raising 5RM on compounds means higher rep ranges follow alongside it. New lifters who raise their 5RM on compounds will have a higher 8,10+ rep max working weight than those who didn't do this.

>>77606920
You can do that without 5x5 in-fact all intermediate to advanced powershitting programs have you spam volume and do 3x10 at some point
5 5 cultists are all fat balding subhumans

>>77606779
For powerlifters/competition lifters sure.
As supplimental training for a better sport it's too much.
Also generally excessive for body building or just general conditioning.
Before then people did a more generalized approach to lifting then a year or so after basic conditioning went down either specialization route.

most guys enter the gym in the first place to get bigger arms and lose some weight. starting strength ridicules you for losing weight and training arms. it's retarded.

>>77606925
I see countless zoomers stuck doing 3x10 for years and never breach 2pl8s on bench or squat. You give bad advice. Shoo filthy subversive gains goblin

>>77606933
You can progress with either in weight except 3x10 is more time under tension. Those kids just have no clue to how progress at all be it 5x5 or 3x10 or 3x6 or whatever. And their goal isnt to reach your arbitrary "strength" standards, their goal is fulfilled by 3x10-12 just fine, in fact it's the best at what it's used for

>>77606935
Listen, you're simply gay and retarded. Newbies should be doing compounds + whatever they want. After 6 months or a year, they can drop compounds if they want.

>>77606939
>You should do compounds because uuuh
Yeah exactly no reason, you're in a cargo cult man wake up

>>77606827
I don't totally disagree but I think SS's one redeeming quality is teaching form on these movements. You do them 1.5-3 times per week at slowly increasing weights under your actual max. The book goes into a ton of detail and there are quick and to the point videos online about form and ways to fix it.

>>77606942
>You should not do compounds because uuuh
This isn't always the case, but I think in this instance that 90% of newbies should listen to every s&c coach who has ever existed over some anonymous gay guy on an anime message board

>>77606949
You should not do compounds aside from maybe pullups because they're pointless for someone trying to just look good, too much fatigue for low ROI. There you have it.
See how is it is to argument your point when you're not a cultist, your turn now

>>77606950
You should do compounds as a complete newbie to familiarize yourself with equipment, your own body, and to take advantage of newbie gains in a foundational area. And no. "90% of people" aren't just "trying to look good". Are you literally a homosexual? A good portion of men would be sold on the idea of learning how to be significantly stronger in their 6 months, before moving onto hypertrophy.

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>>77606925
1. completely unecesarry
2. 5 rep workouts are a fucking joke and you will not get the results you want while resting 3 minutes between sets and be an annoying fag hogging up the squat rack for 40 minutes. No one will like you and you will not make any friends except for other losers doing the same program.
3. beginners should do a workout that they can quickly see results with and that will make them feel better, like a program with supersets that works important muscles like arms and shoulder, not body parts that make you unattractive or develop a square abdomen.
4. people want to look good with their shirt off as fast as possible, not start a career in weightlifting, meaning 99% of people.
5. progressive overload isnt the only path to hypertrophy. i have a better body than the majority of this board and i barely even lift that much because i dont give a shit about being strong.

we literally did the largest A/B test in the world during the pandemic when all the fat millenials were still doing SS and barbell training while the zoomers were doing dumbbells and machines. And the zoomers ended up with better bodies in just a year or 2 than the millenials who've been doing the same reddit shit for 10 years.

fuck compounds
fuck your mom
and fuck you, jew

>>77606957
>familiarize yourself with equipment, your own body, and to take advantage of newbie gains in a foundational area.
You can do that with machines and dumbbell isolation just fine, except you wont waste time accomodating to barbell shit because the former just comes naturally/intuitively
>A good portion of men would be sold on the idea of learning how to be significantly stronger
Until they learn what it entails
>>77606958
Who cares what you think you're brown and small

>>77606958
>And the zoomers ended up with better bodies in just a year or 2 than the millenials who've been doing the same reddit shit for 10 years.
What you saw was a few instagram zoomers blasting roids with good bodies on social media. Not the millions of Dyels.

>>77606961
>find a machine instead of just learning to squat 1pl8
Still seems gay, sorry.

>>77606962
I see them at the gym friend. dont need social media. I go to a university with them.

Not to mention the millenials are roided too and still look worse than the zoomers. If muh barbell training was such a holy grail they should all have amazing physiques by now.

There's the nerd who reads about fitness then there's people who actually work out.

>>77606957
The fitness industry thrives on people that want to visually look better. what delusional world are you in that you think someone wants to commit to working out for 6 months with zero results other than seeing a number move? Post body bro.

>>77606963
>Trains legs
>Calls anyone homosexual

>>77606964
>I go to a university with them.
What are you studying at this age?

>>77606964
you look like the other 6 Billion Brown people on the planet. Of course you don't mind completely doxxing yourself on 4chan.

>>77606779
>only have barbells at home because you are a high-school football player
>do supplementary bench as more bench
>add ohp accessories and triceps
>also complete the program for back and arms and core
It is leg heavy for nfl and made for real meatheads since the whole thing would make you a beast at football but lacks upper body shit since it isn't like rip was out here trying to look like mr olympia and thinks that is gay compared to using your legs to fight like a girl.

>>77606961
Ah here it is, isolation with barbell and extra sets are a huge game changer try it for a month but keep in mind if you are not doing it right freeweights can lack muscular stimulation because it is not as easy to do with freeweights. Also it opens the door for working on different odd variants which can be useful for bringing your lifts up faster.

>>77606965
>should be training legs but doesn't

>>77606958
>we literally did the largest A/B test in the world during the pandemic when all the fat millenials were still doing SS and barbell training while the zoomers were doing dumbbells and machines. And the zoomers ended up with better bodies in just a year or 2 than the millenials who've been doing the same reddit shit for 10 years.
I'm gonna feel bad for you once you realize how aging works lmao

>>77606958
Case and point of why you should not take advice from this dead board, witness this absolutely low IQ response posed with such certainty.

>>77606975
What happened to the "men peak at 40" cope ?

>>77606779
No one actually did Starting Strength, SS has power cleans and how many times have you seen average gymgoers doing power cleans. Stronglifts 5x5 constantly gets confused for SS

>>77606926
It's actually the exact opposite, SS was made for highschool football teams, that's why the focus is on the posterior chain and power cleans are programmed for explosiveness.

>>77606958
Based
Barbell squats are reddit at this point
Love to laugh when I see them recommending squats and deadlifts to beginners that just want to look good LMAO

>>77606910
nigga got 50 years for terrorism

>>77606840
>this beginner program is perfect for people who stent beginners

>>77606779
I did this program 15 years ago, only good got memories from it.

>>77606779
It's really good for a beginner, imo. Yeah, it's more strength-focused than physique, but this makes it useful for everyday stuff - knowing how to do compound lifts with proper form (and the reasoning behind it) can save your back when carrying furniture around or working.
Yeah, you can grow a taste for powershitting, but as >>77606840 this anon said, you can also switch to an intermediate program add isolation work if that's your goal. It is essentially providing you with a base of strength and stability for anything else you might want to do later (not necessarily the best program to do it).

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>>77606779
Lower body training claims thousands of victims worldwide every year; don't become a statistic.

>>77606840
>an intermediate/advanced program is much easier and safer than the beginner one
Always thought this was one of the strangest quirks of "lifting culture". Just admit you want to haze the new and young guys.
SS is like a weed-out course in college. You won't enjoy it and you won't actually learn anything. It's meant to see who sticks around and who quits, by design.

>>77607077
He looks better than this>>77606958

>>77607077
>this nigga don't want thews of steel
lmao

SS is awesome and everyone should do it. The powercleans are a little bit of overkill and are a holdover from when the program was originally designed for HS football player. BUT even power cleans have value as a "light day" deadlift workout, given how heavy and taxing deadlifts are.

Starting out doing SS is excellent for EVERYONE's first year of lifting regardless of what your long term goals are because building strength and more importantly an understanding of programming/linear progression is critical to every athlete. Also, Rippetoe's explanations of how to squat, bench, deadlift and press are outstanding if you're not naturally adept at performing the lifts (I was not).

Also, if you've been out of they gym for a few months or years, returning to lifting by doing SS is the fastest way to get back to speed on your lifts.

Finally, as an advanced lifter, although my programming is more monthly or quarterly based, I still use the basic barbell lifts of SS in all my traing and not much else. I am regularly mistaken for a bodybuilder, despite the fact that I have only ever competed in powerlifting. I think that doing a lot of pullups (plus squat, bench, DL, and ohp ) builds a very solid, very balanced physique. Plus arms - I hit dumbbell curls and tricep pushdowns twice per week.

Ignore Rippetoe's diet advice, however.

>>77606779
You're supposed to do SS for a year or two max to learn and build a base level of strength and form then do something more advance or specific. The milk part of for skeletons. It's called starting strength for a reason, not forever strength

>>77607291
What progression scheme do you recommend after SS?

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It's terrible. Can't believe it ever became popular, 95% of the people going to the gym want to lose weight and get good looking arms and abs, this program and rip gained a cult of personality about getting fat and low bar fat sitting a lot of weight somehow made you superior than those trying to look good and be healthy.

show me a single person who actually looked good after a year+ of SS. you won't be able to because no such person exists.
>but i can squat and deadlift more than u!!
no one except the homos on this board care about how strong and juicy your ass muscles are you fucking faggot

>>77606779
It's an amazing program for noobs
I would recommend cardio, abs and arm work, but only retards think it's somehow bad
Those same retards will recommend high volume programs to noobs and wonder why they and their victims have never been impressive whatsoever

>>77607298
you dont need to do an extremely boring barbell program for a year to build strength bro
are you indian?

>>77607291
post body

>>77606779
I looked at gomad as a meme to put to bed this nonsense "I can't gain weight" dyelism you see with teenagers ostensibly wanting to get big. Any strength program that doesn't have something like the power clean is a meme as well. Rippetoe definitely pushes people to get morbidly obese though.

Practically everyone that tries to "debunk" it push some dyel shit like daily ab crunches so they're not serious people. The attempts at "improving" it as a strength program are similarly nonsense, like Greyskull's AMRAPs and non-alternating a/b/c routine. GZCLP is fucking retarded and that's pretty much the only other "serious" beginner routine. 5/3/1 is not a serious beginner routine it's marketing a month-long mesocycle to people with 200lb squats.

You wouldn't do wrong by following SS, dipping your toes into TM and then either transitioning to bodybuilding or go to 5/3/1 for more strength. Bodybuilding is funny because everyone in it is such a superstitious moron that for 20 years they couldn't come up with a good, generalized beginner program to put everyone on. Everyone is constantly trying to debunk each other going on big tangents. We still have nothing that looks better than any random silver-era routine that were posted in old magazines.

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>>77606983
every now and then i see some skinny nerd or indian kid doing power cleans making themselves looking like retards
and you know its because someone online told them to do SS

theres absolutely no "proof" that only squatting for a year is necesarry for a nice body. its just shit people on the internet repeat.

Rippetoe basically rebranded reg parks 5x5 routine... the whole squats and milk thing is from the late 60's if you look it up, same with the 5x5 routine it was published in 1960...

reg parks looks much better honestly


>>77607653
Yeah I would have to agree with this 100%, powerlifting culture takes perfectly normal kids like this and gets them fat. He looks bigger, but he has a gut and tits, if he cut idk how much muscle would even be there. people need to keep moving away from powershitting

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>>77607647
>GZCLP is fucking retarded
I am following GZCLP

>>77607644
Compound lifts are the fun ones, it’s isolation that’s boring. If you don’t think it’s fun to lift heavy weights why even lift?

>>77606958
That Weak fat body doing volume routines

Lmao

>>77607328
DUP routine
1 day heavy
1 day of volume

Heavy day:
2x3, 3x3, 4x3, 5x3

If you Can di 5x3 you are lifting heavy

Volume day
5x5
Or
4x8

Choose It.

Stay With With One month.
Deload

Increase weight

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>>77606779
It's good for what it is. Remember it's a BEGINNER program, it was never meant to give you your dream body and you were never supposed to finish it looking like Alex Leonidas, it's only meant to get you decently strong, teach you the basic fundamentals of lifting and progressive overload and set you on the right path. Id rather see beginners do SS than fuck around for a year with their own stupid routine they made themselves and get nowhere, still have a 1pl8 bench.

As for GOMAD, it literally says it's for the underweight "hardgainer" types if you actually read it. The idea is that if you genuinely believe your body cannot put weight on no matter how much you eat, it quickly gets that idea out of your head.

It's not perfect and anyone who's been seriously lifting for years could easily put something better together themselves, but it's meant for beginners who lack the knowledge to do that.

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>>77606827
Trvke

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>>77606779
Why is this bad again?
because of the workout choice?
or the reps x sets range?

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>>77607952
AI sums it up nice

I've never yet seen someone who actually did the program and regretted it. It's generally nonlifters who have really strong opinions against it

>>77607960
>3x5 is excellent for neural adaptations but lacks the volume for hypertrophy
Sad that AI has internalized this nonsense

It's shit and it's always been shit.
So terribly unbalanced, I don't know how people can even call it a full body program in the first place. Squats are your only go to movement while literally everything else is put on the back seat. The average gym bro will outbench you because he does more volume, 1x5 deadlifts won't do anything for you, there's literally no pulling movement in the program, non-athletes shouldn't be doing power cleans, there's no accessory movements of any kind etc
People also forget that this was a contrarian program back in the day when people genuinely believed squatting will make your arms grow and that "full body" programs are some super secret way of putting on muscle as a natty.
Plenty of people fell for this shit because they didn't know better but if you fall for it now you're just fucking retarded.

>>77606779
It filters too many people even dudes training for strength are too much of a bitch for 3x5 ohp progression so you have less then 10% of gym goers across the nation able to do it.

> did it as a beginner
> got strong
> got off it
> did other stuff but did not forget about what daddy rippetoe taught me

but yeah what others said just dont do it forever fag

>>77608053
1. Deadlifts are a pulling movement
2. The blue book has an entire chapter on accessory movements
3. Even the most barebones NLP adds chin-ups within the first month

How can you be so mad about something you know so little about?

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>>77608053
lmfao so true, people said that squats would increase your testosterone levels and grow your arms...

>>77608053
Its really good if you can stick with it for a long time most people bitch out by either switching to 10 reps volume cause fragile ego and 3x5 progression too stressful or they do not transition to intermediate training because ego again they think they are heman can progress mainlifts 5 pounds every week cant cope their newbie gains ending at baby weights.

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Mark loves young men a bit too much and wants them to grow a big juicy ass and thighs and no upper body.

>>77606958
body looks like any other 20 year old zoomer kid that did some pushups, curls and high on their baby youth pump lmao

/fit/ oldhead first time posting since 2014 checking in.

Are you still trying to meme beginners into Starting Strength? Let's start with the truth nukes
>squats are a meme and unless
>deadlifts have terrible risk:reward ratio unless you want to compete in powerlifting and the odds of reaching Snap City eventually is really high
>pull-ups are the best exercise which play no part in SS
>running doesn't kill your gain
>no your biceps won't grow without bicep exercises

It's good for getting into powerlifting, but that's not what's best for most people.
Also, barbell back squats have the highest injury rate of any gym lift and lots of those injuries are really bad lower back stuff.
>UH WELL FIX YOUR FORM BRO
>IF YOU DO EVERY LITTLE CUE AND WARMUP AND ACCESSORY LIFT IT'S TOTALLY SAFE MAN EXCEPT FOR THAT LOWER BACK THING I HAVE GOING ON BUT OTHER THAN THAT

>doing movements so taxing and so injury prone like deadlifts and squats in 2026
>for hypertrophy
Unless you have a home gym and you're poor so that's all you have, that's retarded

It's not starting hypertrophy. It's for people who want to be strong and useful. Ironically it has the best strength advice but most shit conditioning advice. After you stall on all lifts on LP, hop over to 531 and start conditioning 6 days/week, then gradually add harder days. That combo you can run forever and also get some bodybuilding done with the accessories. Tactical Barbell looks appealing for "I want to be useful/strong/healthy" too. If you want to be a useless unhealthy bodybuilder then yeah, none of these programs are good for you. Just blast roids and go to failure on machines 3 times per week.

It's a great start, it's great at learning the lifts, the problem is that no one really is prepared to transition away from it before it becomes problematic because of the diet advice and core ethos
If it were framed differently, had a clear path to move away from it, and strictly constrained to a purely beginner phase rather than an overriding philosophy, it really couldn't get better than this

>>77608140
>>just like dont get strong bro!
>>77608109
>muh biceps
Getting ohp 2 plate and squat deadlift 400 pounds curling 65 dumbells for sets of 8 reps becomes ez. Mog 99 dumbasses training for bodybuilding aesthetics. Like I said earlier in the thread most people bitch out ego comes into play really fast especially if they a young dude.

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1.Truth of the matter is SS is a meme and fucking boring af
2. Greyskull LP in the sticky is the enhanced version of SS and most fun program ever
3. KYS you can literally vibe train with no fucking program for 6 months and still build muscle you spastic twats

>>77608162
>had a clear path to move away from it,
It literally does though. You modify the program in various ways to elongate the progression then do TM or another intermediate program. This is all spelled out in the books. If anything it's overly prescriptive.

Most noobies would be better off reading the blue book than looking at athlean x videos.
For further progression though, 3x5 is too low. 5x5 is better fitting. Mehdi and Rip are wrong about the importance of the squat. Yeah low bar rocks but it shouldn't be done 15 sets a week with cleans rows and deads. I also believe that cleans need it's focus and should be rotated with deads. Also Rip was right about rows. An example would look like this.

>Day A
Squat 5x5
Bench 5x5
Underhand row 5x5

>Day B
Deadlift/Power clean 1x5/5x3
Overhead press 5x5
Chinup 5x5

>>77608053
> working out bigger muscle groups on the squat builds more muscle

It does. On the back and everything waist down.

>>77608233
Someone who’s never trained before absolutely cannot be trusted to train on “vibes,” retard.

>>77608392
My point wasn't trust or not retard it was beginners make muscles whatever exercise they do, learn to read

>>77608233
>KYS you can literally vibe train
Vibe? from vibration. An interesting addition to the modern lexicon. But are you aware you're talking like a white girl who fried her brain in some south American forest smoking funny chemicals?

>>77608233
>AMRAP barbell squat, bench and deadlift
pure larp

>>77606779
The 5x5 and GOMAD are good. But I build up in weight each time, and re-arrange the workout to be more upperbody oriented, and pair it with 4x8s of non-essential lifts for growth. So 5x5s for ohp, bench, squat, deadlifts, 4x8 everything else for size.

>>77606779
Problem is that noobs think 1 year of lifting is enough to look like you lift, it’s not, unless you happen to be tall or have a large bone structure anyway.
They do 1 year of starting strength while gaining a bunch of weight and look pretty much the same as when they started just fatter. At that point they panic and start cutting which results in them losing all their gains.
The weight gain that starting strength recommends is not bad per se, it’s just that you basically need to continue lifting for another 1-3 years and allow your body to catch up and recomp at your new calorie intake.
You have to be patient, packing on muscle takes a long time.

>>77607462
Idk man, my wife(female) loves my ass.

>>77606779
Yeah it is if you use it for what it's for which is in a therapeutic way. There is a huge portion of people who can't even tie their shoes and this program is for them to put some muscle and strength on while learning consistency to fight off the effects sedentary life and being able to do normal things. These people aren't worried about muh aesthetics and a fat 40 year old person with shrivelled spinal erectors is never going to even start doing any workouts designed by some fitness "influencer" on peptides and sarms prattling on about "in just 6 months you can get your dream body" then proceeding to walk on their hands and do a bunch of circus flips. Yogurt and celery mom's contorting and bending at impressive angles for mobility are tuned out. Starting strength is to repair wrecks. SS is not the only way but it is a solid way to start.

>>77608647
It's the ultimate program for married anons - you can lift you missus and carry her around, while she admires your juicy ass

>>77606779
Yup
Its biggest issue is that people stay on it too long
If you start on it as a beginner and follow it until it's time to change, you'd get a great base to build on

>>77606827
I bet you'd worry about injuring your pussy if did actual man exercise.

>>77609093
>i lift for the approval of others online
LOL

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Why is low bar squatting such a "manly" exercise if it makes you look like a woman with a big ass and thunder thighs?

You realize that the whole macho thing with powerlifting and bulking stuff was a marketing gimmick from rippetoe and starting strength, right??? It prayed on insecure dorks who were skinny trying to get in the gym for the first time.

>>77606827

This.
Lmao to all the fat powershitters who are giving him (You)s, that's the true and you guys know it

He's not saying SS is a bad program, because it isn't, but it's undeniable that I those years Rippletits and his book were spammed here like they were the second coming of Jesus, and a good 95% of teenagers who simply wanted to grow some muscle, get some decent abs and have fun at the gym would have better done a brosplit, instead of receiving crazy advice like doing GOMAD or being able to deadlift twice their bodyweight in a month.

>>77606910
If he dropped to 12%bf hed be fine

Hello anons, I how you're all doing well.
I have no clue what I'm doing at the gym: how many reps sets or whatever the fuck should I be doing according to you?

>>77609415
Me too. Educate us anons.

>>77609154
Low bar "parallel squats" are for fatasses who don't have the mobility to do a full squat. Rip was dumb for recommending them to athletes.

In general, SS isn't the worst starting point. Greyskull is like the better version of it.

>>77608053
>>77608083
Counterpoint: you have a terrible physique and no idea what you're talking about

>>77606779
It's an okay program, but like many others said the upper body volume is terribly low, especially compared to low body volume. There is no reason a novice needs to alternate between bench press and overhead press. I fixed SS, here is the superior version that I have ran with LP:

4 day upper/lower split U/L/X/U/L/X/X

Upper:
Bench press 3x8
OHP: 3x8
Pendlay rows: 3x8
Bicep curls: 2x12
Lateral raises: 2x12
Any additional upper body isolation you so desire

Lower:
High bar squats:
3x8
Calf raises: (important to isolate, and also gives rest before deads)
3x12
RDLs:
3x8
Whatever ab work you enjoy: 2-4x20

Run using LP, go up 5lbs for lower body exercises and 2.5lbs for upper body exercises each workout (meaning 5-10lbs weekly). When you just start, you can do 10-20lb jumps for lower body exercises and 5-10lb jumps for upper body exercises until you start missing reps.

One final point. Add in 1-2 reverse pyramid sets for the upper body exercises after completing your 3x8, if you want extra stimulus, especially on the workout before the 2 day rest period.

Also, I recommend LP as long as you hit 21/24 of the reps with good form. You don't need to hit all 24 reps per exercise to increase the stimulus. If you increase weight and get really low reps (like only 15-18 of the target reps), you should add in a reverse pyramid set to make up for the lost volume.

This routine will work for all novices and intermediates. Once you get big numbers, like 4pl8 rdls, 3pl8 squats, 2pl8 bench, and 1pl8 OHP, you may need to begin varying intensity just to reduce mental fatigue and psychological stress from constantly ramping up 3x8 heavy work sets day in and day out. But you should progress up to advanced or late-intermediate lifter before doing that, as you will be leaving gains on the table.

This routine is also great if you had a long break from lifting and need to quickly get your numbers back up.

>>77608495
This. How the fuck is that supposed to fucking work? Do you think, if you are progressing you will have MORE than 5 reps in the tank on your final set? No, you won't.
Again, I will repeat myself: no one who has actually done SS regrets it. All the hate comes from nonlifters, pretty much.

>>77609415
>>77609437
Literally just do starting strength. It's all written out there for you. The people in this thread railing against it will never post body, because they don't lift. I will post body to defend SS if they post theirs first, which won't happen. So just do the program.

>>77609572
Your argument doesn't even make sense. Rip has literally said over and over that he doesn't care about your abs or how you look, and that he only cares that people are strong. SS is quite literally a strength training routine. If you want hypertrophy, you need to add in some additional volume for your upper body. Mark Rippetoe intentionally designed this workout for the sole purpose of gaining strength, so pisting your body proves nothing, since that is not even the point of the program. Anyway, I don't mean to rag on it too much, because I do like the simplicity and it's important novices learn the 4 basic barbell exercises (excluding power cleans for obvious reasons). So there is some beauty to the simplicity, if you are simply considering it as a "learning program" rather than an optimal program for strength AND hypertrophy.

As I laid out here, >>77609557
my U/L split routine allows you to use LP and fixes the issues with SS. This routine is far superior to SS. It is not necessary to be so dogmatic and act like Rippetoe is the Texan version of Jesus Christ

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>>77609415
>>77609437
ok boys it's really simple you're gonna alternate two workouts, A and B, 3x a week.

A:
Squat 3x5
Overhead press 3x5
Deadlift 3x5

B:
Squat 3x5
Bench Press 3x5
Deadlift 3x5

Start at a weight where your form is good for 5 reps but would break down on the 6th. If you can do three sets with good form then add a bit of weight next workout. You can throw in some bicep curls or other stuff you wanna hit for aesthetics.

Look up "squat starting strength" etc. on youtube to get the form queues but if you want the real sauce read the book's chapters on the different exercises and the mechanics behind the barbell movements.

>>77609596
Thank you very much.

>>77609572
Thanks for the reply and desu, arguments for SS are stronger than those against it (spastic seethe) as demonstrated in this thread, especially when you take in to account who it's designed for. I don't do SS but I did at one point a long time ago and am glad I did when I needed it.

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What a great routine.

If you wanna become a fat powersharter t rex mf, do ss

>>77609557
This is neither a good strength nor a great hypertrophy program. No lat work at all which is weird. Chins would be way more worth the time than lat raises or curls.
It's also a bad beginners program.
>if you want extra stimulus
Beginners won't know when they want or need this.

>>77609596
Is this a lower back strengh program?

>>77609657
False. You can run this with massive LP, it's a great strength program and better than SS because it actually includes sufficient upper body volume and direct arm work. SS is severely lacking in volume, especially for upper body. You will have much faster bench/OHP gains with this bc SS only hits those 1.5x per week at 15 reps. With this you hit 2x per week at 24 reps per workout. I have ran it multiple times with great success.

The one exercise that will gain faster with SS is squats. But who cares, nobody wants to squat 3x per week, and you will still be adding 5-10lbs per week with LP as a novice/intermediate.

It is also a great hypertrophy routine, because volume is set to hit 24 reps 2x per week, or 48 total reps per week of each target muscle group, which studies have shown is the ideal rep range for hypertrophy. Going over is unecessady, and going under (like SS) results in very poor muscle gain.

Secondly, your critique of lats is valid, but you are ignoring the part where i mentioned "any additional upper body isolation you so desire". If you want to do lat pulldown, add it. I just don't do it because I think pendlay rows are sufficient. But there is no harm to adding a lat pulldown or chins. Only thing with chins is that you will probably want to alternate them with pendlay rows if you include them.

And "novices won't know when to add extra volume". As I mentioned, if you hit less than 21/24 reps of your exercises, that is when you can add a reverse pyramid set. Also, fine if novices don't do it. You don't have to, it's just something you CAN do. SS has no option for additional volume. And tbf, I believe intermediates would be able to gauge this, as this routine works for both novices/intermediates. You don't need to switch to something like TM if you start with this routine.

>>77609690
tl;dr
>I'm a bitch nigga

One of the funniest things to ever hit the internet... people would call you a fag if you wanted to get big arms, and gay if you wanted to get abs.

>>77609690
>I have ran it multiple times with great success.
"just trust me bro" n=1 vs SS n=100000. For all SS's flaws it still mogs your program for beginners. You are stupid and overconfident in yourself as a result of being stupid.

>>77609847
Of course SS has more people who have tried it, but that doesn't make it better. You have no argument against the pathetically low volume, especially the upper body volume, of SS. My routine is simply a superior version of SS because it corrects that problem, and also raises total volume up into the optimal rep ranges for muscle growth.

I have run both SS and this, and mine is way way better. Not to mention that mine actually includes some isolation to grow size where people want it. Nobody wants a t-rex bod from SS.

Get wrekt kiddo

>>77608487
Ok are y'all brain damaged? Why the fuck you focusing on lexicon or whatever semantics on a fitness related subject, go get sum sense dumdum
>>77608495
>>77609568
AMRAP means till failure, it can be 6 or 9 reps, as long as its failure on the last set, to target hypertrophy and not loon like a dyel while actually lifting weights

Not to sound like a dickhead but you guys must be braindead gen alpha or just a bunch of illiterate niggers, asking why you need to do AMRAP is a fucking beginner question
>you are progressing you will have MORE than 5 reps in the tank on your final set? No, you won't.
Bro science ass nigger, to make sure you progress and not plateu you need to hit hypertrophy aka AMRAP as well to grow size and more muscle fibers, you can't just keep adding 2.5/5kgs every week indefinitely most people plateu around 3-4 months so you progress with AMRAP

And I know you're gonna shake your head and continue to argue but just cuz you hit the gym doesn't mean you understand physiology

>>77609568
you've never done AMRAP squats it's such a retarded idea

SS was always shit. Anyone who believes otherwise is a fucking moron. Here's the thing though: at the time and even somewhat to this day, there wasn't a definitive, easy guide to begin lifting. Rippletits wrote a fucking garbage book, but he did it in a way that the most retarded hillbilly could understand, as he loves to pontificate to himself.
Now, some DYEL ass motherfucker could walk up to me circa 2010-2019 or so and ask me all kinds of questions, and I could sit there and be his personal brofessor every fucking time I go to the gym. Or I could just say, "Read SS," and go about my business. What do you think everyone in that situation would choose to do?

That is why SS was successful.

>>77609596
youre not going to build muscle only doing 5 reps

>>77609659
all of these exercises make you prone to permanent lower back injuries

How to fix SS: from phase 2 or phase 3 change it to an HLM that cycles through the week, where on a lift's L day you add 1-3 isolation accessories for that muscle group
So H squat=back squat, M=front squat, L=split squat (+calves or whatever accessories)
H bench=bench, M=close grip, L=ohp (+shoulder & tri)
I would also probably put weighted chinups in with deadlift & power clean under a general pull category, so H=deadlift, M=power clean, L=chins (+rear delt & bis)
This way beginners get more varied movements (good) and more accessory volume. Progression on the top lifts is "slower" except who cares, it's for beginners, they aren't gonna get to 3pl8 bench in 3 months on SS anyway - is it better to burn out and grind for no gains over 6 months before switching, or spend those same 6 months getting stronger a bit more gradually in the main lifts while doing more accessories and stuff to failure?
Basically what Practical Programming suggests, which is x1000 the better book, unless you want extreme technique fetishism

Barbells are just not necessary and potentially counterproductive for anyone training with aesthetic goals
Pick movements more stable that you can take to failure safely without form breaking, like machines or cables
Or just cuck your disks up im not your dad

>>77610265
Barbells make you strong and powerful. The book helps you get strong and powerful. It is not for kids who want to look cute in swim trunks. Why is this so hard for everyone to grasp? Not everyone is a bodybuilder.

>>77607298
>You're supposed to do SS for a year or two max

I agree with your basic point, but if you're doing it for a year or two, it isn't SS. No one can add 5 lbs to their lifts 2 to 3 times a week for 2 years. A normal person can only run the program for maybe 3 months before they need to shift to an intermediate program.

Starting strength is like 80% lower body and lower back, prob one of the worst routines to ever get pushed... It's really just a cult and still is, unbelievable that there's people defending the routine here.

How did it actually become popular in the first place? I honestly can't comprehend how people thought low bar squatting 3x a week was good somehow. No one gives a fuck about squatting and low bar is shit, even tom platz said it sucks. Fat sitting 400lbs doesn't make you strong if you can't even bench your bodyweight and move shit around with your body. Just makes you a slow fatass who waddles around with t-rex legs and big hips with a disproportionate upper body. Only internet dorks did this shit while everyone else did some split or bodybuilding program. Complete cringe and nonsense.

>>77609415
if you want to make 0 gains and waste your time, follow >>77609596 advice.
you have been warned.

>>77610901
>How did it actually become popular in the first place?
The same way as most "internet popular" things: contrarianism.

>>77607960
So what's the alternative?

>>77610949
Train like a normal person?
This pic >>77607891 pretty much says it all I should think. If you want to actually look good, train the way people who look good train. But contrarians always think they know better and have to reinvent the wheel for some reason.

>>77610966
What teh fuck is bro split?
and SS/SL is bad because of the GOMAD fad

>>77610925
Hello, thank you I suppose. I currently do 3x10 or 3x12 more or less with a bit of everything. The weights aren't too high currently but they're increasing. I took the other message as a suggestion to increase the weights and reduce reps. We'll see.

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The superior book.

I like 531 style training as a "kinda good at everything" program. Don't read the new books, just follow the BBB blog post and eat a pound of meat per day and a multivitamin. Do some z2 for at least 2 hours a week, ideally at least 7. Everything can be handled at home with a rack and barbell.

>>77608053
>and that "full body" programs are some super secret way of putting on muscle as a natty
you look like shit 100%
post body

theres always a few powershitters who attack people in this thread and still treat SS like the gospel lmfao.

>>77609623
>today I will post the foundations of a house build and imply it's the finished product
>I am very smart

>>77606779
Yes. It is good for beginners becasue it is simple and it is good for advanced becasue you can go back to it when you plateau and break through.

Squat is foundational. It gets big muscle groups into action and produces the largest amount of chemical response to make the body aware that it needs to adapt to stressors.

>>77606905
Post body, you won't becasue you have little bird legs and you are fat. You go to the gym and do not want to put in the effort that you can't see in a bathroom mirror where you pose and look at your marginal self. If you actually had an active lifestyle aside from vanity lifts, you'd notice the overall conditioning and development made possible by compound lifts. You're the kind that skips cardio too, a disapointing lay with little stamina and no power. When they don't follow you around like a puppy after the first encounter, that's why. If you had done the total training and cardio, they'd have stars in their eyes becasue you made a lasting impression. Now you know.

all the ripped dudes at my gym are doing anything but low bar squat lmfao, it's 95% bro splits and the only compound lift is pretty much bench or incline bench.

the compounds increasing testosterone and hgh is complete bro science btw

>>77606958
>because i dont give a shit about being strong.
Lifting for any other reason is gay. Not every lifter has big strength but every lifter can get stronger or maintain strength. I lift for me. I do stuff in life and stronger makes it easier and better. Maybe work, maybe hiking, maybe putting gear in the boat or whatever but just lifting for hypertrophy is vain and female coded.

>>77611002
>What teh fuck is bro split?
Splitting up by body parts. Back day, chest day, leg day, arm day etc.

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Lifting for any other reason is gay. Not every lifter has big strength but every lifter can get stronger or maintain strength. I lift for me. I do stuff in life and stronger makes it easier and better. Maybe work, maybe hiking, maybe putting gear in the boat or whatever but just lifting for hypertrophy is vain and female coded.

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>>77611036

>>77610901
It became popular because it’s easy to follow and teaches you how to do the most important lifts + why they’re important. Contrast with all the other advice in this thread which boils down to “Idk do whatever you want, you’ll gain muscle anyway lol”

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one of the worst routines to ever come out

>>77610901
many SS cultists are in this thread
>>77611284
the 3 most complicated lifts that people routinely get injured doing

how is that beginner friendly?

>>77611238
you're fat

>>77606779
The bad rep it gets is from being pushed to fatties as a viable program.
The fat fucks will use it as an excuse to keep eating garbage, and will use the results as proof their lard is "genetic".
They still get stronger tho, which is the purpose of SS, so I guess it works

>>77611312
SS haters confirmed malnourished jeets just like every AIslopper confirmed

I need fat white boys to pound me in my brown bussy right now, I'm CRAVING fat white dick

>>77611036
I bought Simple & Sinister (funny that it is also "SS") and did that for like 1 year straight. There was something zen about doing just two exercises and never thinking, no music, just swanggin', outdoors. I definitely got stronger at them, but didn't change physique much (kettlebells).

Never seen this book tho, what is your experience?

>>77609915
why would I take advice from someone that sounds like a cunty sorority girl?

>>77611869

Brown men need to focus on their self esteem.

>>77609588
>If you want hypertrophy, you need to add in some additional volume for your upper body.
No you don't. You literally do not. Taking your bench from jack shit to 2 plates for reps will do more for your upper body than any amount of fucking around with dumbbells.

>>77609643
Wow what an original and witty response
I bet you have a great physique huh

>>77609915
>AMRAP means till failure, it can be 6 or 9 reps,
I know
The point is, if you can hit 9 reps on your last set, what the fuck were you doing on your first two sets? Fucking around?
You should only BARELY be able to hit your fifth rep on your third set. If you can knock out 8 you were using too light of a weight.

> you need to hit hypertrophy aka AMRAP as well to grow size and more muscle fibers, you can't just keep adding 2.5/5kgs every week
This makes no sense whatsoever. If you keep adding 5 lbs a week until you are at a 400 bench obviously you will have grown a lot.
This isn't possible, but it IS possible to keep adding weight for quite a long time, and it's literally the most important and useful thing you can do
>And I know you're gonna shake your head and continue to argue but just cuz you hit the gym doesn't mean you understand physiology
You genuinely sound of rather low intelligence

>>77608655
It's for high school boys in football or wrestling

>>77610265
They're also really not that dangerous. Why are you being a bitch?

>>77610901
Counterpoint: you're very small and weak

>>77608644
The skinny high school boys it was meant for do grow from it basically immediately, and it doesn't waste an extra hour of their school day on curls and skullcrusher bullshit when their whole body wants to grow anyway. For fat internet nerds that need to work out for 3 years consistently to be normal they basically just need to believe in something so it did OK for them.

What if I told you, that you can get stronger by doing heavy lifts 2-3 times a week at the beginning of a workout, and better looking by using the rest for hypertrophy. Or what if I told you those heavy lifts are not necessary at all and you would still get stronger as long as you progressively push yourself every week, one rep more next week, add 5kg and test your limits every couple of weeks etc. What if I told you plateaus are not a real thing if you do things correctly and are mindful of where you are lacking at all times.

What if all of these things on the thread are just fatty cope? What if we skinny chads who can eat right can do whatever we want HAHAHAHA

>>77611924
You know the whole point of programs like SS is to help skinny """"chads""""" right? It's not fatties who need it, it's you. Being a scrawny weak male is not a good thing. You NEED to eat a lot. You NEED to lift heavy. Calling people who do those things fat is just doing yourself the disservice of ignoring your own bad body.

>>77607960
>linear progression peters out after a few months
wtf is this true? rippletitbros our response?

>>77611897
You don't know what you're talking about. When are you going to get a 2 plate bench from SS? After 2 years? The bench volume is so low that you are not getting optimal strength increase from it. Wtf is 15 reps of bench per week going to do for strength? It only works somewhat because of noob gains. An U/L split hitting bench press at 24 reps 2x per week is superior for both strength gains on bench AND hypertrophy compared to SS. SS does not have sufficient upper body volume, and the alternating between bench and OHP is completely unnecessary for any novice or intermediate lifter, as they can absolutely recover from bench and OHP 2x per week. Absolutely no good reason why Rippetoe limits those to 1.5x per week but hits squats at 3x per week.

The 4 day U/L split routine is superior to 3 day per week full body

Benched 100kg 5x5 and deadlifted 190kg x1 today.

>>77611904
I bench 275lbs for reps, how am I small and weak? weird post

>>77607960
I thought that the novice linear progression carried on for infinity until you are benching 3000lbs a few years in. This is fucked. I feel so tricked. How the fuck have they gotten away with this ruse for so long?

It seems like rippetoe is literally in this thread getting angry at a bunch of posts calling the routine bad kek

>>77607960
>Unrealistic linear progression
How about you go fuck yourself with your llmslop?

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I'm a newfag and I very recently started lifting by following SS. I picked the program because it's the most memed beginner program featured in the sticky. The book is great, it gave me a solid framework regarding fitness. The only thing that bugged me was the inane rambling about strength on the first pages. I'm currently guzzling circa 2 litters of milk a day (can't do more, because my parents believe that a gallon is an insane amount of milk) and found out that I'm not a lactose intolerant. The amount spent in the gym is surprisingly short.

I'm convinced it's one guy here getting angry and replying to a bunch of posts lashing out.

>>77611988
>You don't know what you're talking about. When are you going to get a 2 plate bench from SS? After 2 years? The bench volume is so low that you are not getting optimal strength increase from it.
According to what? Your idea of how things should work? What about all the people who actually DO it? They have falsified your theory many times over

>>77612636
Based on actual scientific studies showing the optimal amount of volume per week for growth. Novices and intermediates should be hitting each muscle group 2x per week, which is what an U/L accomplishes. SS hits squats 3x per week, but only hits upper body 1.5x per week with no direct arm work. This makes no sense. Why would you program a squat 3x per week, an extremely taxing compound exercise, but something like an OHP which really only hits 2 muscles, programmed 1.5x per week? SS is limited by a 3 day gym week instead of 4. The 4 day upper lower let you hit all your muscles every 3-4 days, which produces better gains for upper body than SS.

I literally did SS + GOMAD as a skinny teen. It was the first program I ever did. I did it for about 9 months until finally accepting the truth (that it sucks), then trying other programs. Gains were GARBAGE on everything except squat. In high school I had a girl butt, bc my squats was over 225. Meanwhile, I couldn't even bench 1 plate, had no arms, and you literally couldn't tell I lfited, while also geting fat from GOMAD.

Fast forward I tested plenty of other programs including 5/3/1 and others. The 4 day U/L I listed above has given me far, far greater progress than SS + GOMAD ever has. After not training for a while, the U/L routine got me up to a 3 plate high bar squat (not low bar), 400lb deadlift, and 2 plate bench in only a few months. Almost a year on SS + GOMAD could not get me a 1 plate bench because of the utterly crap upper body volume.

But people in this thread worship SS like it is some sort of mythical workout plan crafted by the gods, and it has developed this cult-like mentality with dogma that is nearly impossible to break.

What SS does well is that it includes the basic barbell exercises. And the SS book, and Practical Programming are borh phonemonal reads.

The actual SS program is trash because the volume is simply too low. But you wouldn't know that if SS is all you tried.

>>77612672
>I did it for about 9 months
>couldn't even bench 1 plate
If you started with the empty bar (45lbs) and added 5lbs each workout, it would take 18 workouts to add 90lbs and reach 135. At 1.5 BP workouts per week, that's 12 weeks, or 3 months. What were you doing for the other 6 months? Were you slamming your head against a wall, adding weight less than once every 3 workouts? Why didn't you switch programs sooner? Remember that if you didn't stop the program when linear gains stopped, YOU DIDNT FOLLOW THE PROGRAM

>>77612672
Dude, no matter how much evidence you show these people they still think starting strength is some kind of miracle routine and the end-game of fitness some how.

It's one of the most bizarre things I've ever seen. You can break it down into the most simple logic and they still won't budge an inch.

>>77612704
This is the same kind of horse shit people posted on the starting strength forums, any criticism or questioning of the routine and they would just post in all caps YNDTP (YOU'RE NOT DOING THE PROGRAM).


What a strange, dogmatic cult. I still think its just one autist in here getting mad that starting strength is dogshit and everyone moved on well over a decade ago.

>>77612707
User error. What moron spins his wheels for 6 months instead of simply thanking Rip for the noob gains and moving to an intermediate program LOL

>>77612704
Bro lol, YNDTP is exactly what the SS bros told me on the SS forums 10 years ago, or whenever that was.

I was making fantastic gains on squat, and good gains on deadlift, which gave me a very lovely girl ass that was nice and round like a bubble. It was specifically the upper body lifts that were lacking. That is a feature of SS, not a mistake.

Also, your linear progression gains don't run out if you are a man and under a 1 plate bench. That's why I did change programs and ultimately found better ones.

I have noticed that you have not made a single logical argument against my points, being the low volume in SS, the superior resting schedule in a 4 day program, and the necessity of some isolation for size. You have continually ignored the actual facts of the matter and repeatedly stated that "more people did SS so it works better" and "YNDTP you lazy". None of which actually argues against my valid points about optimal volume, rest, and isolation.

And you do realize that far more people have done bro-splits and been happy with the gains than people who have done SS? According to your logic, that makes bro-splits better than SS since more people have done it.

The only redeeming quality of SS is that it is contrary to bro-splits by hitting full body, and bro-splits are crap routines since they only hit each muscle group 1x per week.

But my points still stand that increased volume and targeting each muscle group 2x per week is superior to SS, and that isolation is necessary or you won't look like you lift months into the program, which nobody wants. Rip has repeatedly said he doesn't care about your abs or how fat you are, and that you need to gain 75lbs in 6 weeks or else YNDTP. SS is awful for hypertrophy and bad for upper body strength. It's only good for low body strength. This is all Rip cares about, hence why the routine is crap.

Rippletits, pls go.

>>77612707
Yeah, you're right man. The dogmatic cult is weird af. And YNDTP is literally exactly what they told me when asked about my crap gains on the SS forums many years ago. It's just crazy to me that people still shill so hard for SS. If you wanna do it fine, but just increase the freaking upper body volume. I don't understand why the SS shills are so against including volume for anything other than a squat. Nobody wants a t-rex bod lmao.

>>77612716
I want to see the autist refute this logically instead of just insulting you. This is a great breakdown.

>>77612710
It's garbage man...

>>77612719
It's bizarre, I did it over a decade ago and my body was completely out of proportion with a massive squat. That's the only thing it's good for is getting a big low bar squat. The same people think that doing curls and tricep extensions and some lat exercises are for girls... its a cult

>>77606779
I've been doing nothing but starters routines my whole life (ss, sl now greyskull). Since starting lifting again 1-3 years ago, I've been doing greyskull but I've been plateauing hard. I can't seem to get past 110 ohp, 150 bp and 345 DL which i feel I should be way past that now using these beginner routines. I think they are still beginner routines.
Also, I am feeling really tired, especially squatting right after deadlift. Though that may be another problem
Should I switch routines and any recommendations for more anesthetics focused ones?

>>77612707
Oh shut up. Evidence? There's endless evidence of it working, and he is trying to tell me it's impossible? Who is the one ignoring evidence now? He is, in favor of his "ideas" about "how this works."

>>77612716
I don't know what to tell you. You couldn't even get to a 1 plate bench? You fucked up. I got past two.

>>77612836
Yep, that is the exact mentality of the SS cult. If you don't get 10pl8 bench press in 6 weeks of SS, then clearly YNDTP, as opposed to acknowledging the obvious flaws and issues with it. SS is great for growing a fat ass and big quads. But nothing else.

You still have not argued against a single one of my facts, and it sounds like you're running out of insults.

Rippletits, pls go

>>77612811
According to >>77612836
That's because YOU'RE NOT DOING THE PROGRAM. Sorry your gains suck, hope you enjoy your fat ass from squats, and also, double your GOMAD ration to 2 gallons per day. Surely it will start working then.

In all seriousness, stop doing those crap routines and run this one instead. Make sure you are eating a caloric surplus, enough protein, and sleeping well. Thank me later. >>77609557

>>77612838
>If you don't get 10pl8 bench press in 6 weeks of SS, then clearly YNDTP,
But dude. If you were stuck at 1 plate you did something wrong. Almost everyone who actually does the program gets to a 200 or above bench. Genuinely you did do something wrong. Terribly wrong. That's a colossal level of fucking it up.

>>77612716
Dips and skullcrushers are both in the book, why didn't you add those to supplement your bench?

>>77612838
These people are mentally ill or something, he's just insulting you and can't provide any sort of argument. I think it's the same guy all thread throwing around insults at people. Weird hill to die on.

>>77612835
Your post makes no sense, what are you even talking about?

Starting strength is basically only good as leg and glutes specialization program. If you think about it it's perfect for women who typically want to develop these for aesthetics.
For men you probably want to grow bigger arms, chest, back and delt wish SS sucks at

>>77606873
you think the jews are out here to give fake workout advice?

a lot of people misinterpreting what a novice program should do in this thread

>>77612861
Yes, this is what lots of stupid nonlifters have decided
Apparently going from a jack shit to 2 plate bench, jack shit to 1 plate press etc for reps will not result in you growing your upper body
Also the deadlift doesn't grow your upper body at all right?
You stupid retard

>>77612861
ohp and bench are well known to not target the chest, right?

It's fucking garbage, I still can't believe people did this and thought they were cool. People got manipulated into thinking being fat and powershitting was cool. There's still some autists in this thread who haven't moved on.

>>77613032
It's ok if you don't get it. Not everyone wants to be a man. These days, we're a rare breed.

>>77612811
you need to recover better, sleep 9 hours and eat 2 pounds of meat per day

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>>77613034
What does some shitty starter powerlifting routine have to do with being a man dumbass? No one gives a fuck about how much some lardass squats. The ideal man based off greek statues is lean and has a big upper body with abs. Go squat on your boyfriends dick with those thunder thighs gay boy and he can juggle your rolls after.

>>77606779
The amount of volume should be 1/3

>>77613034
>tips fedora

>>77611901
>If you keep adding 5 lbs a week until you are at a 400 bench obviously you will have grown a lot.
>This isn't possible, but it IS possible
Retard or bait, call it.
Just admit you don't want to hurt your ego by being wrong so you're literally parroting what I said xd God this board has become useless, even retards like you used to admit their wrongs back then

>>77606827
>>77609093
>>77609094
Isn't lifting for looks, like using machines and cables, actually lifting for approval? Squatting and deadlifting are basic movements, and if you get hurt doing them it means you need to fix yourself and correct those issues. The whole purpose is to be fit, and you can do thosd lifts without being fat powerlifter as well.

>>77611238
Lmao sounds like you can't get laid

>>77613056
>What does being strong have to do with being a man
You wouldn't get it

>>77612972
I dont think that's their actual directive. I think they are told to swarm this entire website, or at least /pol/, /his/, /lit/, /fit/ and prevent a shared identity and shared consensus from being established. Trolling and being contrarian (like giving shit advice) is just a means to that end.

Eventually barbell stuff catches up with you, good form or not (hint your form sucks) most of fit wouldn't know they don't lift heavy enough anyway, you don't get hurt doing squats with one plate with 5 RIR.
Barbell stiff is not really worth it considering you can get same stimulus if you better with machines etc.
>b-but I am so manly if I do barbell exercises, like reddit old me so!

>>77613008
Right, starting strengh is known to build a nice chest and shoulders. Oh wait no it isn't. It's known to get you a nice fat ass and legs. We all know you want it and I'm not judging

>>77613236
>get you a nice fat ass and legs
You say it like it's a bad thing to have a juicy phat ass

>>77613141
>look for your greentext in the actual post you're quoting
>can't seem to find it
Interesting...

>>77613126
>Isn't lifting for looks, like using machines and cables, actually lifting for approval?
It is and it isn't, compared to SS. I mean it objectively is, yes. But I'd also argue that lifting to develop an attractive physique that women will actually like, or that people in general will acknowledge that you're fit, or even that you can just look at yourself in the mirror with a sense of pride and not shame, are all loftier goals than lifting for the approval of fat unathletic nerds on the internet. It's all lifting for the approval of someone (even yourself), but there are levels to it.
I also 100% agree that everybody should be able to perform basic body movements like a squat and a hinge, but that's not really what the debate is about. The discourse around SS (whether you're pro or against) always really comes down to the culture surrounding it in the end.

>>77606827
He's right and this got them boiling
Now is the age of the zoomer

>>77613353
You way overestimate how high the average person’s standards are. If you run a basic strength program and get your numbers up on the big compound lifts you’ll absolutely look strong enough to impress the average person. It’s only bodybuilding hobbyists who will tell you “you need more.”

>>77612716
YNDTP
>>77612719
YNDTP
>>77612839
YNDTP
>>77612857
YNDTP
>>77612861
YNDTP

>>77613643
Thanks Rip!

>>77613141
*tips fedora*

People are waking up. If there is no tangible or specific examples of people doing SS with good looking bodies, then it's a shit program. So is all the other programs that do not provide any results. Nobody cares how much you can lift, in a real fight you probably will go down and your local gym will forget your lifts in a few months. If you're a man, you need to be training the halo or perfect square. Meaning chest, shoulders, arms/forearms, abs and then last legs for proportions. Anything else is pure fucking cope.

agreed

>>77606827
NUKED

>>77613182
This the dumbest shit I've ever heard

I started with it. It's great. I do more volume work now, a lot more, but if I wanted to save time I'd do fives and stick to the SS movements.
If you want aesthetics tack on superset 3x10 curls and skullcrushers every workout or two. Not that complicated, Rip even says he assumes you'll do some curls after training now and then. Not sure why a simple proven LP has people's panties so twisted, these movements are the cornerstone of any kind of resistance training.

It is a horrible program and it has ruined many lives but most importantly it is not even doable. That was always the funniest thing about this stupid program and its stupid founder; if you were to do SS exactly according to the program Rippetoe laid out, you'd be squatting 5 plates after a year but guess what, it is impossible to follow this stupid program. It was so funny to read the official forums back in the day with people asking why they keep stalling and plateauing while promising and proving that they have been exactly following the program only for Rippetoe to pop in and tell them that they are not doing the program. SS only makes people fat and worse, it ruined a whole generation of spergs that got into lifting. Instead of lifting according to tried and tested principles and joining the social environment that is the gym we developed a superiority complex while wasting away hours in squat racks isolated from everyone else in the gym.