Why are consoles just AMD boxes?
>>108872996would you rather them be intel boxes?
>>108872996Because AMD are champs, little sissy boy. Go red team!
It only started with the ps4/xbone. AMD is just cheaper, Sony held talks with Intel for the PS6 but they just went back to AMD cos the price was lower. The Nintendo Switch and Switch 2 is still Nvidia.
>>108872996Working with just 1 supplier for CPU + GPU is easier and gets you bigger discounts too. In the past, only AMD could offer this - tho over time, Intel graphics have gotten more useful, as have Nvidia's ARM CPUs. AMD is probs still favored for consoles, but they might face some competition eventually.
>>108873915Going ARM would nuke PS and Xbox's backwards compatibility, so only Intel has a chance
Real question, why are consoles just watered down PCs now?
>>108873980Easier to make games for, at the cost of not being able to be optimized as well as (some) older consoles could be.
>>108873990Yes, because older consoles were impossible to develop for, therefore optimisation was a thing
I miss the old days of console architecture when everything are unique
>>108874003As bullshit was it was the cell processor at least made the ps3 unique
Whatever is cheapest goes. It's not about artistic merit. It's about whatever best lets them extract money from parents or teenagers or manchild gamers
>>108873980There nothing to push. Consoles used to be machines you could throw a gimmick at. There was also many manufacturers doing on par performance. Nobody can beat AMD and Intel in 32/64 bit x86-64 compute. Nobody can beat AMD and Nvidia in graphics, Intel is trying but it's simply not even close. Nintendo 64 was the cutting edge of movie graphics by Silicon Graphics combined with a 64 bit CPU. Something you'd never see in a PC of the time. They were there to fix constraints. The PS3 was the last such machine that tried to do something PCs could and that was parallelism. But parallelism was so complicated in a development environment nobody cared since they also had to make shit for the X360 and PC. And the PS3 was not the dominant console of the time, and by the time it became the most dominant one people were more then happy to simply not use any of the PS3 features. If you made a console today with such a gimmick it would have to some AI machine or an ridiculously strong Ray Trace machine. The issue is you really can't because you'd have to stick an entire new GPU inside that just does these. Meaning the hardware costs would be too big. There is simply from a game development prescriptive nothing unique to go for that requires specific hardware these days.
>>108873980If your console is too different then it's a bitch to code for it and most devs end up releasing on every platform except yours, or yours too but later on and/or not to its full performance potential.At the time of PS1/l then PS2 it was widely known line up games where not showcasing a console's full capability and you had to wait for mid to endlife for most devs to get the hang of it and deliver their very best.The Xbox 360 changed that by being way closer to a regular PC architecture and development workflow and John Carmack publicly praised it for that.
>>108872996What alternatives are there?Intel still prices its shit like it has a massive performance and/or efficiency lead and anyone who ever had to use an Intel integrated graphics card can vouch for how shit performance and compatibility ae.Most ARM vendors produce phone tier SOCs, the only high performance ARM shit is made by Apple and they won't sell to anyone else. Nvidia Tegra has its niche, that's what the Switch and Switch 2 use.
>>108873980>Real question, why are consoles just watered down PCs now?Sony learned their lesson from the PS3 with how much many developers openly loathed developing for the Cell processor. They then went with x86_64 for the PS4 which I can only imagine must have felt like heaven in comparison.
Because x86 alternatives like Nvidia/Intel are expensive and non x86 alternatives are too hard for modern nu-devs to make games on. Your best bet is for the PS7 to be on ARM, and most likely fully digital as well.
>>108873980having x86 hardware inside doesn't make them watered down PCs, computer illiterate-kun
>>108874718yes it does retardthey're literally just big apus that use gddr instead of ddrif they were that different then people wouldn't be shoving linux onto the ps5
>>108874813nta but that anon is right and you're wrongthe isa doesn't make it a pc, if that's the case then any arm device is a cellphone, yet there are arm pcs, it's the firmware/bios what makes it a pc, and guess what, the ps5 doesn't have a pc firmwareretard
>>108874831x86 isn't arm, it's been intertwined with pcs since its inceptionconsoles are literally just PCs raped into submission and jailed by their manufacturer, sony and microsoft could enable the functionality of officially installing PC operating systems onto them overnight
>>108874871> sony and microsoft could enable the functionality of officially installing PC operating systems onto them overnightthey aren't pc's until they dospoiler: they won't, ever
>>108874890they're functionally pcs running cuckbsd that are locked down by the manufacturerabsolutely nothing on the hardware level prevents them from being pcs, it's all just a software lock
I don't know what the next gen of consoles is going to bring to the table. It's just going to be a spec bump.
>>108874902>absolutely nothing on the hardware level wrong again retard-kun, they lack the bios
>>108874925>thinks bios is hardwareholy fuck retard alert!
>>108874925https://repair.wiki/w/PlayStation_5_3_beeps_when_power_is_plugged_inthey do have a bios chip, it's just not accessible because, again, it's software locked
>>108874947>>108874949>thinks any bios is a pc bios>thinks any amd64 is a pci feel sorry for you retard-kun
>>108874958it's not a public facing bios, it doesn't mean it can't be via a firmware update
When the fuck are consoles going to switch to ARMv9.2-A?
>>108872996Jews
>>108872996Because back in 2010, AMD was FINISHED and offered DEEP and THICK discounts to Sony and Microsoft to use their APUs with shitty Jaguar CPU coars. Since the Jaguar CPU coars were SHIT, they SPAMMED EIGHT (8) of them onto each APU as COPE.
>>108875048At least it was interesting to see what the studios could do with such slow cores, and they actually came up with some pretty darn good optimizations
>>108872996intel is too greedyarm sucks balls
>>108872996AMD had the best APUs for a long a time but maybe this will change as intels APUs are competitive now
>>108873965Are they usually backwards compatible? Would people not buy them if they weren’t?
>>108876361>Are they usually backwards compatible?Usually, yes, not always tho>Would people not buy them if they weren’t?Nah, people would buy regardless. It is a nice feature to have though, and in Sony/MS case it can come basically for free if they stick to the same arch
>>108872996At the time these were designed, intel CPUs with graphics were a joke compared to AMDs APUs, in performance and energy consumption. Same with ARM.
>>108872996take a fucking guess
>>108872996Because AMD would make the custom chips for Microsoft and Sony.
>>108876402Thanks for the info.What about emulation? Doesn’t Nintendo sell games for older consoles on the Switch?
>>108876488Using emulators, yes.The older consoles are so underpowered that it is easy to emulate them, even for the switch.
>>108876488No.You can buy a subscription to play older games through their online service. You do not own the games.
>>108876535So a PS6 wouldn’t be able to emulate PS5 games? How many PS5 games are there anyway?
Nvidia asks too much. Unless you're selling overpriced weak hardware like the Switch then its's doable.
>>108876547>So a PS6 wouldn’t be able to emulate PS5 games? How many PS5 games are there anyway?Likely a PS6 will just be able to play PS5 games, there's no sign they're abandoning x86.And PS4 games.
>>108876588*if they changed the architecturethere are instances of companies changing their architecture in history, so it's not impossible, right? but i suppose that they'd have to have a reason and weigh the costs and benefits
>>108876488>What about emulation? Doesn’t Nintendo sell games for older consoles on the Switch?That's an interesting subject, thanks to Nintendo's jewery the concept of retrocompatibility has changed, at least for me.>A console is retrocompatible only if it allows to play games from older generations by itself, without requiring any additional support and without any paywall (besides the obvious software update)That said, the xbone is retrocompatible with 360 using emulation, pop a disc in and playHowever, the Switch is not retrocompatible with gamecube even though it uses emulation, you have to purchase a service or purchase a game that bundles with the emulator
>>108876361PS4 is fully backwarda compatible to PS5They can't fully play all PS3 or PS2 or PS1 games.Backwards compatibility is good because if there is none, then buying the new console means losing your entire games library.
>Year of our Lord>Big 2026>Tech illiterate anons still think it's some short of a big own to call consoles "locked down PCs" or some other esl idiom to the same effect>get told off every timeas a boomer millennial i've been seeing conversation happen again and again starting with the PS2 days "dude they run linux on the PS2, it's just a PC lol"
>>108873965I can run x86 pc games on my android phone dude, architecture translation has come a long way
>>108876892do americans really just throw [functional old product] into the trash after buying [new product]?
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>>108872996because intel were jeets for a while
>>108872996Until intel started doing some gpus again, amd was the only company that knew how to do cpus and gpus and the best at integrating tbem together.Also, AMD was still caring about the gaming side when Nvidia was already starting to pull out.If amd ever pulls out of gaming and goes full ai like nvidia, the console world is actually beyond fucked.
>>108879102They could go back to IBM maybe or VIA
>>108872996AMD has their own CPU IP, their own GPU IP, and they're actually willing to work with the console makers as opposed to treating them like second class customers.
AMD is the nintendo of hardware.It wins simply because is the least retarded company.
>>108877198Not only Americans... all modernoids are like this
