Is this Linux's only chance at relevancy? I want it to succeed so bad Linux got to 5% on steam charts and Microsoft already initiated plan K2 Just imagine how much they'll shit their bricks if there's actual competition Without competition this economic system is retarded
valve's hardware matters less for linux adoption than having a properly backed distronormalfags aren't going to install linux on their own hardwarecorpos aren't putting linux on their prebuilts and laptops considering all the corpo based distros suck shit and you wouldn't want them to be distributed to normalfagsvalve needs to release steamos to the general public so that oems can ship hardware with it
>>108888981>corpos aren't putting linux on their prebuilts and laptops considering all the corpo based distros suck shit and you wouldn't want them to be distributed to normalfags*laughs in dell*
I think 5% is good. you wish it was more popular? ok, but let's keep it below 10% to prevent malware, idiots and garbage from overwhelming the ecosystem.
>>108888981We have a properly backed distro, it's called Android.>NOOO that Isnt the SAME! I meant one backed by MY billionaire, based GABEN, not GOOGLE.
I long back to the days of Wintel.
>>108888939I hate this shitbox because my pc is better than it But if it hurts microslop then I hope it succeeds
>>108889006Then you'll be forever shitting up /g/ about your "superiority" and how everyone should move to Windows since it's so bad. But being bipolar seems like a must to be a Linuxfag.
>>108889196Android is a fucking joke
>>108888939This thing will cost over $1000 and nobody will buy it.
>>108889196When is it getting ported to x86
>>108888939>>108889238I look forward to the Steam Machine. Fuck SIs, fuck Sony, and fuck Microsoft.
>>108889253Is already is.
>>108888939Microsoft will just splooge more on datacenters. No way they'll just let Valve get more compute and RAM
>>108889302Cool, when do we get a PC release?
>>108888981"SteamOS" is just an Arch + KDE configuration. If you think it's going to magically transform Linux beyond what it already is you will be disappointed.
>>108888939>Microsoft already initiated plan K2please, elaborate.
>>108888939>overpriced hardware is Linux's only chance at relevancylmao
>>108888939apply basic rules of economics and common sense.even with gaming support linux only managed to gain 5% on desktop. compared to consoles, handhelds and phones that's many magnitudes lower. there is nothing valve can do that hasn't already been tried by redhat and canonical.Also also... linux sucks, windows rules. Fact.
>>108888939I consider the gabecube halfway between a regular Linux PC and something like a Chromebook or Android phone/tablet, technically all run the Linux kernel, but people don't buy them as their only computer, just a secondary device. In that sense I don't think it will move the needle much on desktop Linux adoption, but it's still a massive net positive, as Valve has to fix bugs and make Linux a viable gaming platform which benefits everyone else downstream. >>108889444Don't underestimate the importance of configuration, it will make the experience closer to an actual console, but without all the drawbacks of a console.The Steam Machine will have working HDMI CEC, it will wake up when you turn on the controller and it will power on your TV and switch to the correct HDMI input, so you can resume your game where you left off in a couple of button presses. While technically doable on off the shelf hardware, it's a pain in the ass to have to set this up yourself.
>>108889006It's probably over 10% already. Over 10% with western Steam users, over 10% on multiple torrent trackers
The desktop is irrelevant as most gamers play Android phone games which is Linux. Plus Consoles are FreeBSD.
>>108888939There are increasing attacks at the very heart of OSS by moneyed interests, and linux is at the heart of it. It won’t be worse than macos or winblows but we are in the golden age now, and it’ll be all downhill starting next year or so. Given that linux isn’t popular now, it never will be.
>>108889196>>108889370Waydroid
>>108889238people will buy it because valves name is on it. I think they should have ripped of nintendo and made a switch competitor but for pc games. But I get they wanted to keep it simple.
>>108889444It basically doesnt use Arch packages and doesn't run KDE in gayming mode. The system partitions are also pretty wild, it has 2 separate clean system images which it swaps between when you reboot after a system update.
>>108889706>I think they should have ripped of nintendo and made a switch competitor but for pc games.retard-kun...
>>108889706Most contributions to Linux come from people who work for big corpos. But they usually care about it being a stable for servers, while Valve cares about graphics performance and fixing up wayland to be usable by non-feetfags.
>>108889728this is a handheld, if you dock it to your tv using the offical steam dock the performance of the device doesn't magically increase like a switch does, you missed my point entirely
>>108889748Of course it doesn't increase, it's fast by default unless you throttle it.
Why does the 'market' share of a free and perfectly functional tech product obsess you so much? What is going to change in your life if linux reaches the arbitrary threshold you set on a arbitrary platform's stats? Find a hobby you grotesque caricature of a human being
>>108888939that thing will flop hard
>>108889748The Switch dock is just a proprietary charging caddy, it does nothing to improve performance besides supplying the device with steady power and auto-disabling it's default power throttling, but I guess tendies believe they get "extra performance" rather than realizing their performance is artificially limited in battery mode. Even then the Switch is less powerful than the Deck.
>>108889217Get with the times. Now is the age of LinTel and LinAMD.
>>108889237Android per se is great. But now it's at a crossroads of becoming an irrelevant iOS clone.I hope the chinks make a proper Android replacement soon.
>>108889807Linux could only fight Windows' market dominance through nothing but relentless cope for the past five years. Over three decades of the free desktop movement trying to dethrone Windows, not once did it attempt to create a competing product, instead claiming there's a grand conspiracy against them. Hilarious.
>>108889196cuck licensed jeetware>>108889444no shit, nothing unique about ittell that to corpos, what other distros would you have them ship with hardware?any indie fork is automatically out, that means no cachy, bazzite, nobara, pop etceverything proximate to debian is a dumpster fire, including ubuntu and all the derivatives of thatfedora has its autistic legalisms that strip basic functionality away and force the user to download it so that's out for normiesarch and its derivatives are hobbyist shit, too hard for normiesthat just leaves steamos with its valve backing and focus on not fucking shit up
>>108889767>>108889794why is /g/ so autistic and pedantic dear god I have to be explicit about everything. Valve's console should have been a steam deck successor, they should have sold an optional thunderbolt 5 egpu compatible with the existing steam deck and the new steam deck. Then the device would actually have more power with docked. Now you can call me retarded if you disagree without putting words in my mouth.
>>108889867It's because your post dared to be critical of Valve.
>>108889867Should've mentioned Valve doing an eGPU dock first, that'd actually make the Deck unique compared to Switch.
>>108889867They are making a new Deck but it will likely be ARM based.The original deck has no thunderbolt so forget about eGPUs.
>>108889867From everything I've seen and read eGPUs over USB4/Thunderbolt are a meme.
>>108889917>>108889867Also valve mainly wants to attract consoletards who are afraid of PCs. Enthusiasts are not the core target audience for their hardware. That's why the machine uses budget laptop parts, kinda like the Deck with its recycled CPU from a failed VR headset.
>>108889922thisthunderbolt as it stands is a complete fucking meme that needs to be completely reworkedi want a cable that can handle the full 16 pcie lanes and the enclosure tech needs to advance too
>>108889855Most distros are backed by companies you can pay for a specialized variant that wont fuck up (or you can sue them if they do).
>>108888939>Microsoft already initiated plan K2Their sort of fixing shit is doing things like increasing CPU usage when launching applications. They have over a decade of shit added to a pile that couldn't be managed or reverted in a matter of weeks. I think people are setting their expectations way too high for this shit, considering how this hasn't been the first or the 5th time they've been telling people they're committed to improve gaming performance and such other nonsense.
Why do you act like you have skin in the game? You're an end user. Why would you care about how many people use this or that distro?All that matters is that >it works for meAnything else is mental illness.
>>108890080All they have to fix is five years tops of Win11 development fuckups. Bring it up to Win10's levels of "fine". The CPU boosting is just a half-measure that bit them in the ass since people love hating Microsoft more than they actually like using Linux instead of Windows. Peiple who are saying they're supposed to fix EVERYTHING with K2 are people who don't use or care about Windows at all.
>>108890092i want to see microsoft, apple and google rapedwhy don't you?
>>108890126That will never happen. Plucky underdog doesn't destroy megacorporations in real life. This isn't a Disney or Hallmark movie.
>>108890118>All they have to fix is five years tops of Win11 development fuckups.Oh come the fuck on with the revisionism. 10 took everything performance wise they tried to fix on 8.1 and tossed it out the fucking window alongside multiple updates where they fiddled with timer resolution just for fun. Your incremental hardware upgrades made you and apparently a lot of people forget.
>>108890240Cool, as nice as it would be, Microsoft never claimed K2 was meant to go back to 8.1 performance level. In fact, most what people know of K2 is regurgitated ragebait journoscum bullshit since MS themselves haven't said much about the initiative.
>>108890264No, they claimed their goal was SteamOS performance, which is different to that of W10.
>>108888939Why would you want normies to start using Linux?If it goes over 10% it's over
>>108888981lots of gamers are only using windows because of EAC atp, if enough of a playerbase materializes that EAC-using games are forced to play nice with linux, I really think something can happen.
>>108889228If you're being annoying online, whatever the subject, you're probably punished already by your own insecurity and moral failing. With that out of the way, I think there's still a reckoning coming for linux users once it becomes less than obscure, because we've been too annoying online already.
>>108890535This but 3%.
>>108888939Am I right in thinking that this machine is expected to be slower (and has about 30% less VRAM) than my 2080ti from 2018?I understand the overall package is more important than the specs and I'm not normally one to focus on the numbers, but... how is that supposed to make sense?
>>108889253Technically it already is. ChromeOS already runs on x86 and uses the Android kernel. Though later this year we will find out more when they get around to releasing Googlebooks on how they exactly plan on integrating Android onto their desktop operating system as they are promising a seamless computer to mobile experience; but there is nothing concretely known to the public besides them working on Android window managing middle-ware to make managing android applications smoothly on a possible native environment >>108889821Well probably never: their Android forks will never get approved to be a good goyim platform so no banking apps; so the normies will never be able to use their phone as a credit card and run into friction with secure apps
>>108888939>>108889006>>108889560It’s not real data, this just volunteer survey with Corporate controlled of the numbers. No one can verify the status being real or fake, a literal “Trust me bro” moment.
>>108893020It is a random sample opt in survey to help people making games for Steam know what platform and specs to design for. There are bad Steam hardware surveys but taken in aggregate give good data on the PC gayming user. As in literally there is no better data sets for understanding the current market beyond Steam as it has one of the largest install bases of any computer software and despite some category issues like the CPU category that needs an update it also provides a great amount of information beyond is a mac/windows/linux/phone user.
>>108888939>I want it to succeed so badWhy? So it gets shit up by normalfags, corpos, and the govt?
>>108889226Well it isn't for you then. Its pull is either for potato owners or more likely people who would want it as a home theater PC given its form factor if you wanted a computer connected to your living room PC then the product was made for you. What I want to know is how to make a Steam account that shares my library without the porn; I assume I would just make a family account and manually add in the games I want the account to see through game sharing.
>>108888939Maybe, at least for gamers DRM/Anticheat needs to take Linux seriously probably. For more normal people I think installing stuff needs to be simpler, package managers can feel clunky, Gnome Software at least looks like 'a store' but still feels pretty amateurish. Maybe even something like an .exe people can click and they get a wizard to install it.
>>108888986This, I couldn't believe how well Linux works with my shitty latitude from 2019.It's just as fast as my 2023 windows 11 MSI gaymin laptop and better on battery
>>108888939>will cost over $1k at launchI'd be amazed if they still release this thing.
>>108889238a thinkpad e14 with 32gb is 920€ it should cost less than that. They will price it like the ps5 pro.
>>108893114Shut up linkined lunatics, controlled data is controlled data. In fact who is to say Windows isn’t lower than Mac on the same graph. If the real numbers were shown, Linux numbers will be less than 1%.
>cut down 7600m Lol lmao
>>108888939>Without competition this economic system is retardedyes correct, late capitalism is huge monopolies who make you sub to monthly doses of slop and consumers have no alternative. the solution is antitrust laws but good luck with that with trump
>>108889444a guaranteed working hardware setup with full driver support would be an unprecedented transformation far beyond what linux has ever been.in the year twenty twenty sex i'm still fucking about with "yes, you see, that camera goes through the newer isp4 rather than v4l2 like the other camera and if you want it to work you'll have to backport some sketchy partially working patches somebody posted a year ago and which aren't due for kernel inclusion for another 2 years" type shit
>>108888939>Linux's only chance at relevancyNot sure what planet you live in, but Linux is by far the most important OS ever.You have more Linux systems in your house that you use daily than Windows.
>>108889917>Will likely be arm basedSauce? Just making shit up because the frame is arm based?
>>108889717Its called A/B root style partitioning. ChromeOS has been using this partition style for years. Both SteamOS and ChromeOS use ext4 filesystem.
>>108896800Why don't more distros do that?
>>108888939Linux is already at 5%-6.5% of general desktop users. It will slowly go up in market share, but only over the next 50 years since the only way to replace Windows is to target the new generation of users. The biggest hurdle any desktop OS faces is the fact that it's not Windows. People WANT Windows because that's the only thing they're familiar with. People don't like change. "Switching" people to Linux is something that will never work, no matter how "competitive" Linux becomes. It can be the best OS in the universe and suck your dick on demand but people will still not switch. You need a massive commercial and institutional push for that to be partially possible and this will never happen in a "muh free, community OS".
Linux won't go anywhere until the "me too!!" retards of the open source community are essentially ignored.Break backwards compatibility, tell people to fuck off, pick one fucking lane and speed in to it at 200% and don't look back.It will never get anywhere if there is unlimited number of combinations for devs to target.Without some cohesive absolute minimum spec for userland stuff, you're shit out of luck, bud, just how it is.The kernel shit doesn't fucking matter, it's the userlands fault as to why devs don't give a fuck about Linux.Several different competing ways of installing shit and where files go.Several different DEs.Pick one. Make one. Do either of them.This is not to say that everything else will just cease to exist, this is for devs to come together and create a basic API layer that is guaranteed in every system for userland stuff.An absolute minimum so devs can go "yeah, that's a good spec, gets me hard even, I'd fuck that spec"The fact that 4 of that 5% is basically Wine is laughable, impressive but laughable.Without the Wine team and Valves efforts, Linux would still be laughable with respect to the desktop.But lets face it, we all know that shit won't fucking happen.Most of the Linux community are asshats, very heavily opinionated asshats who all want their own little system just to be a special little snowflake in the vast sea of shit that is OS development.It took insufferable cunts like that Harry Potter looking ass to make change. As much as I hate him, we need more of that.
>>108897331>cohesive absolute minimum spec for userland stuffIt's called "Flatpak".
Linux already hit the critical mass it needs to for gaming.Wine went from being basically unusable to mostly fine in the last decade. There's enough dollars and motivation thrown at the problem. Linux can always use more out of the box just works niceties. But I'm just saying going from 'it won't work no matter what you read no matter what you do' to 'it's 99% working if you try these 3 things' is already a giant fucking seachange from where we were just a few years ago.
>>108898164Flatpak is decent-ish, but it still needs more work behind the scenes.I don't inherently believe it should even be one system to rule them all, but an API that all of these systems could be built on top of.Flatpak, Snap, all of them could be built to the same base spec, and they can add their own functionality around that.A lot of shared SHOULDs but even more COULDs.Despite typing the post the way I did at the start, "pick one lane", it's less so about picking a single system, I was more being a dick for dramatic effect.It's more about picking an absolute baseline minimum expectation of features that devs can build to.Every DE should absolutely support X, Y and Z, but they've also got their own unique A, B and C features that make them stand out.Sandboxing can definitely make life a lot less messy in general, but it can certainly be improved on. That arena has changed dramatically in recent years, so it's hard to say where it will go soon.More importantly in regards to sandboxing, the security model could do with a few updates.As any long term Linux user knows, it is hilariously easy to nuke your system, even more so than Windows.Preventing that is ideal. I know, uh, Pop was it? I think they tried to fix some issues a few years back to try prevent people from accidentally nuking the DE.Color-coding terminal outputs makes it less of a fucking eye-sore to read, especially when you've been reading lots of shit all goddamn day.Rollbacks can also help - don't full delete things, simply de-activate - but if there is no user-confirmation of accepting changes, revert it.This is already done in some instances like when you change monitor settings to incompatible modes and it will ask you to confirm - may as well do it at the DE level too.Not sure if it's worth trying to do it at the distro level with respect to the terminal. Kinda hard to accidentally kill a whole distro without killing everything else too kek
where the fuck is frame???
>>108888939People use Windows at home because thats what they use at work. Slowly as China, Russia, EU move away from Microsoft Linux will rise. This is just icing on the cake.
>>108898164Flatpak is a mess. Permissions should work like on Android and iOS.
>>108888939Valve needs to be agressive. Just like google, Intel and microsoft. They have to pay hardware sellers to bundle their Software into their hardware. Get SteamOS ready for Pre-built Gaming PCs and Laptops. Pay a few hundred bucks for each unit sold with their OS. Tell the whole fucking world how vastly superior is to game on SteamOS and the normies will fall for it.
>>108888939Hey cool thread. We all would like for gnu + linux to succeed. However... I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're refering to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called Linux, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called Linux distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux!
>>108889821>chinks make a proper Android replacementFucking delusional. Chinks never made any decent software. Same as to expect game dev to take off in India. It's just outright stupid. They never did anything like that.Although they have some modded ROMs, but that's something random people were doing for decades, chinese vendors never contributed much on top, they just vendor locked their shit and made it not like everyone else's. Every single chink company is pretending they're apple as well.
>>108888981I hope they never release SteamOS. There is no need for another distro.It won't be better than Bazzite or any established distro magically.SteamOS should be a polished experience pre-installed and people should just want an easy-to-use OS that does not annoy them. Valve should help it get integrated for pre-builds.An easy way to get the PC cheaper, because no Windows loicense, bundle it with some Steam coupons and free games and people will prefer it.
>>108899033No one is going to pay for a dumb application that boots up first inside a Arch Operating System. They’ll get sued for false advertising because they can’t prove it’s an actual Operating System.
>>108889821>I hope the chinks make a proper Android replacement soon.They already did with HarmonyOS. But I wouldn't say it's a proper replacement yet.>>108899087>Chinks never made any decent software. Same as to expect game dev to take off in India.Are you suggesting that western software developers and game devs are high quality? This is an opinion you can only have by having been spoon fed good games your whole life instead of actually trying to play everything. 95% of games are trash and this has been the case ever since gaming was invented. It doesn't matter if it's an American, European, Japanese or Chinese game. Just try playing the entire game library of any console that was ever made. There was never a "golden age" or "high quality" age of gaming, there were never "programmer savants and geniuses".It's all a pile of trash with a few gold nuggets at the top. People have just deluded themselves into believing otherwise.
>>108888939I'd argue the real thing holding back modern Linux gaming among more people is not general game compatibility nor performance, but anti-cheat and DRM measures. I can play all the Japanese eroge and cool old games, indie releases, whatever, and I could do almost all of it on Linux. However, a significant number of normalfags are just playing live service titles with anti-cheat and/or DRM which is incompatible with Linux (or if you manage to squeeze by, may result in a false ban). There's also the VR crowd, which relies on special drivers and software for their specific hardware, as well as for their games to run stably.Ultimately, the goal of PC Linux in this avenue should be to claw out market share in niche yet underserved (by Windows) userbases. PC handhelds, mini PCs (to simulate the console experience) alongside special controllers, and so on. Valve's ongoing hardware ventures aim at precisely that, and once they make enough ground in those markets, then the regular PC desktop users may follow to a degree as well.
>>108900845>normalfags are just playing live service titles with anti-cheat and/or DRM which is incompatible with LinuxCorrect. A few zoomers I know said they will never use Linux because they can't play Fortnite. One of Zillennials I know said he'll never use Linux over Windows on his main gaming PC because of Tarkov and League of Legends (he still has a Steam Deck tho).>PC handhelds, mini PCs (to simulate the console experience)You might not realize this, but Linux is already winning in these markets. If anything it's the de-facto standard especially on handhelds. Windows is the 1% there.
If it's $600 max (it's just old laptop parts slapped together) it could be great for linux, otherwise it's doa.
>>108900912Considering it ships with a controller it will probably be $700-$750.
>>108898914>RussiaWhy are you including them with the EU and China?
>>108900925I think they'll offer a discount for a bundled controller to incentivise it, so it won't be the full hundred.
>>108899059slick.
>>108900925>this will be $650 plus controllerThis is pathetic, no console ever marketed that they give you a gamepad when you buy it.
>>108896287yes
>>108898880Valve has been getting shipped new "gaming console" hardware the last weeks, we will soon see either the Frame or the Machine or both, and probably a Deck restock. The Frame software is still pretty rough from what I heard so we might only get it later
>>108901638This is a PC. They will have a controller and non-controller version. I really doubt most people are looking for this to be a console. They'll just plug in their own keyboard and mouse and use it as a PC.
>>108888939why would you give a shit about market share? linux is pretty usable at the moment, there's pretty much zero need for anything to change from a user perspective. if you make it more popular you will get more exploits, malware and all manner of unwanted shit that comes with more attention.
>>108901894this. the only potential benefit of it getting more popular than now is competitive gaming industry reconsidering their anti-cheat working on windows only.but personally I don't want that kind of malware on linux anyway.
>>108890149>That will never happen. Plucky underdog doesn't destroy megacorporations in real lifeIBM
>>108901894I run linux on all my computers but lets be honest it's a janky mess
>>108896854I Actually have no idea. It seems like a very good solution for immutable distros, AFAIK only VanillaOS implements such a thing. Perhaps the reason might be the storage issue? but its not the user files which are affected, and the system image probably takes no more than 20GiB so not really an issue.
>>108896854Because most distros aren't being worked on by talented programmers who care about the desktop experience. Most of them just take Ubuntu and change a few defaults.
>>108901893It's literally supposed to be a console, you dumb fuck.
>>108888939You don't have to worry both Windows and Linux will kill themselves at some point.Windows have absolute retarded jeets working in it so it will never be properly functional and Linux will die under LGBTI propaganda they will start forcing gender politics on you second you start Linux in next 5 years and later Microdick will do same.
>>108902144It's supposed to be both. And people are generally more interested in using it as a PC instead of being stuck in the Steam Big Picture mode. It's not being sold to normies in Walmart, it's being sold to Steamies who mostly just want a new PC.
>>108902156I'm considering switching to macOS just because I can't stand Linux's troon devs anymore.
>>108902197Yeah but for how long it will be safe there too ? Also MacOS is pretty restrictive. Whole point of my retarded post is that they will eventually fuck up everything. People will switch to some alternative and troons when they realize will go to alternative too and fuck it up there too.
