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>>108891579fell for all of the memes huh?
>accidentally bought a ddr5 mobo instead of a ddr4 one that works with the 64g of ram I have sitting aroundit's over for me.
>>108891579>rog stinks>9070xt>lgbt lights>sound card>aio>gpu stand>sata ssd>corsair caseyou fell for all of it?
When did the decline of PC gaming begin?
>>108891710see>>108891676
>>108891710When people became at least stupidly woked.If you are too woke, you can't cast Archie Bunker.
>>108891710It never did
>>108891710its always been declining
Why did nobody tell me about Microsoft interrupt tool sooner
>>108891710crypto meme, nft meme, ai meme
>>108891710When private equity got into the game. Before companies where made up of devs who knew what they were doing, nowadays they hire complete ransoms they can low-ball and out source most of the work to turd worlders. Once women started calling themselves "gamers" you knew this hobby was dead.
>>108891676the led's tell me the mood of the computah. when they are blue, it means its calm. when they turn red, it means its upset. it changes its mood based off air temperature from those temp probes in the case.
>>108892235>>108891676>sata ssdthat ssd has been through a lot. suffers from vietnam style ptsd.
How much of a difference does an SSD with sequential read/write speeds up to 14,800/ 13,400 MB/s make from a gen3 SSD?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UitoIM0smgbeen looking at cases like these lately for future pcs, it's a tremendous waste to use the rear fan as exhaust instead of intake, I've draw how the air flow should be insteadthe cases need to be a made a little bit bigger and with mesh side panels instead of glass so I can use them horizontally, it would be perfectthe green arrow is where a lot of cases put a sata/hdd slot which I personally use so I wouldn't put a fan there, the purple fan needs to be printed with a 3d printer or ducted taped or whatever but it needs to be there to push the very hot air from cpu and gpu outside
>>108892258in benchmarks? lotsin real life? none
>>108892258ima be real with you. zero. 3gb a second reads and writes is MORE than enough for games, os, even professional stuff. game loading is maybe, 3 second faster on the gen 5 over the gen 3. os boot times, maybe shave off a second. the only time its "noticeable" is when you start moving extremely large files. an 80gb file will take about 6 seconds to copy + paste in another location. while a gen 3 would take about 27 seconds. gen 4 is about 11 seconds. while a sata ssd would take about 2 minutes and 40 seconds. so even a gen 3 is still massively faster than a ssd.if you have a gen 3 nvme, i wouldn't worry about it at all. only upgrade when you need to because at the moment, storage prices are insane.
Just got this together and running. Really liking how it turned out. The 4080 Super barely fits. I might have to switch to a SFX PSU to get more room in the top since I want to run a optical drive and a ssd/hdd hot swap dock and with a full length PSU the spacing it way to right, a SFX PSU would also give the GPU a little more space for the fans. That and i'm waiting for find some sort of deal on storage. Want to put in a 1tb gen 4 NVME for the boot drive and at least a 2tb drive for games.
>>108892342>optical driveuse a usb optical drive and add more fans instead
>>108892342>4080 Super>4gblol, Speccy
>>108891710when people fell for Nvidia propaganda
>>108892354I really like an internal drive, esp to rip blurays. Always have more luck with stuff on the sata interface then USB. Same goes for HDD/SDD docks. Those USB ones do all sorts of whacky things. >>108892356I don't even know why I use Speccy anymore, everything else reports it correctly
Case: HYTE Y70 Power Supply: 1200wMotherboard: ASRock X870E NovaProcessor: Ryzen 9 9900X3DRAM: 96GBGPU: RTX 5080Just got it last week. The funny thing is that the most graphics-intensive game I'll be playing on this is MTG Arena. Thoughts?
What are the best HDDs?
>>108892401the sas drives on ebay that are cheap
>>108892409yeah but then you need a sas controller
>>108892422 that's okay those are cheap too
>>108892443yes but noobs fear them for some reason
>>108892453Just tell them to stop being a noob
>>108891710when they stopped using lightmapsso around the time of the first RTX series, when the nigger Jensen wanted to re-invent the wheel. god, what a pathetic creature. he doesn't even do ANYTHING with his money
>>108892489ray tracing is, objectively, a far better solution than baking lightmaps. It just sucks that the early implementations in video games were bad enough to turn people off of the technology, as well as the whole being extremely hardware dependent thing. And then the covid gpu squeeze hitand then the ai boomand everything sucks
>>108892489Ray tracing kicks ass, market conditions don't
>>108892443>>108892401Can you link the drives and SAS controller? The WD 10tb drives in my NAS are like 8 years old now and i've been thinking about a new NAS for a while
>>108892559>Can you link the drives and SAS controller?I don't even know what you mean by that
>>108892661I'm not sure how to ask any clearer without just repeating myself. You said SAS drives off ebay are best, can you link an example? Same for the SAS controller card.
>>108892669Oh you mean where to buy them exactly. NoBecause I am too lazy hopefully someone else helps you. Just google ebay then search sas lol
Computer keeps beeping at me. Once every 6 seconds, that means everything is fine. Why did it just start doing that?If it's fine then why beep?B450m gaming for anyone wondering...
>>108892753check temperatures immediately
>>108892759All fine
Dis my compooper is breddy nice
>>108892753self destruction is imminent
>>108892798That's zen 4 you retard
>>108892753Check your manual or at least post your motherboard so we can try to help you.
>>108892793couldnt you have chosen a better angle to take the photo
>>108892807>>108892807>>108892807I.. I did...
>>108892824too much edgy shit
because I couldn't use a custom ssd cooler I had to use the motherboard cooler which sucks, my SSD sits at around 62c, sometimes spikes to 70this is just terrible, but is it damaging terrible? I'm going to buy smaller heatsinks until one fits in there.
>>108892824I own that exact same cheap ass light in the backgroundNot even an actually viable grow light
>>108892824Thanks for fixing my shit phone post angle lol.>>108892832You're just poor and have a poor people taste im sorry friendo.>>108892871 Well that explains why it sucks ass lol.
>>108892924No anon, I fixed the rotation but the angle is still badNobody can see what's in your PC at all
>>108892930This better angle? Sorry im pretty smooth brained.
>>108892947That's a lot betterNice motherboard tbqh, post a hwinfo64 spec summary :3
>>108892826a lot of motherboards are called B450M, which exact model.
>>108892947yup, that's the op pic of the next thread
>>108892947>>108893049fixed
>>108892996Am lanix idiot now and a bad one at thatbut im at the point where it can do what i want and I'm a cheap ass this be free
how much do I have to spend to play games at native 4K 120Hz Ultra settings raytracing?
>>108893080the 5090 alone costs $4000 so probably around $6000 discounting the cost of peripherals
>>108893085holy shit dude. this hobby is getting way too fucking expensive to sustain at this point. I don't think people will be able to play games in 5 years the way things are going. $6000 is already reaching 986/Z4 prices. not good
>>108893085>5090>4k native 120hz with rt
>>108893080literally no current gpu meets your criteria. Stop being a ludite and just dls
>>108893054
>>108893141ok fine. no raytracing. now what?I find it weird how 4K, raytracing and high refresh rates are all the rage but you can't have them all at the same time.
>>108892824nice case anon looks quite beefy if u know what im saying hehe
>>108893157>I find it weird how 4K, raytracing and high refresh rates are all the rage but you can't have them all at the same time.but that's where you're wrong faggot, just force dlss to preset m or l and enjoy the performance setting
>>108893157>all the rage>raytracingNot that I've seen. Nvidia have been tryna push it since roughly 2018, but not that many gamers seem to bite.
>>108893177I don't want fake and gay upscaling crap. I want the real thing
>>108893157>no raytracing. now what?rtx5080 will be enough
>>108893210ok and for how long though? will it be obsolete in 2 years?Isn't 4K the standard in 2026? why do I need a fucking highend machine for it? why can't a 5060 do 4K at this point?
>>108893222Why are you being so GAY, turn the setting down a touch if you want higher framerate.
>>108893222because AI happened and nvidia are only donig the bare minimum for raster performance. RT/PT raises the bar for performance and is the greatest con to get consumers to consoom more than they would have to if it didn't exist
>>108893232what's the point though? the whole point of gaming is to look at shiny graphics, and if you tone down the graphical settings then what is the point of the hobby?
>>108893189Just like I want a real woman without a penis, you're just going to have to accept this new world
>>108893249To have fun bro, you ever play NES or SNES games? Ever boot up an old PC game like Rune?
>>108893284>tfw no tranny mommy
>>108893288nobody really talks about those games anymore, and one of the reasons to play games is so you can socialize and talk about new games and get some social status on the way. all these old games are obsolete. games aren't like books that stand the test of time for centuries or even millenia. with games, you either "had to be there" or it's pointless. Think of playing FFVII in 1998 or GTA III in 2002: you played after everyone else and nobody talks about it anymore and thus there's really no point of playing that game.
>>108893300Are you Indian by chance? You are coming off like an Indian
>>108893304more like extremely autistic>ERM ACTUALLY YOU PLAY GAME FOR THE GRAPHICS AND SOCIAL STATUS
>>108893311Nah, he comes off as Indian.
>>108893304if I was Indian I'd be playing on the fucking Master System>>108893311that's what most people do. games have always been about graphics (see the "bit wars"). Nobody plays games for muh fun
>>108893320Do me a favor, could you put on a tripcode so I can filter out your posts?
What up fags? My pc has the following componentsCPU: AMD Ryzen 9 3900XGPU: NVIDIA RTX 2070 SUPERMotherboard: ASUS ROG STRIX X570-E GAMINGRAM: 2 x 8 GB Crucial Ballistix 3000 MHz DDR4 DRAMCASE: Thermaltake View 31 TG RGBI don't want to jump to the next gen, but what do you recommend I upgrade? I mostly just use it to play Apex with friends n shit.
>>108893080You're gonna need the 7090 for that
>>108893331Normally i'd say ram upgrade but the prices are still insane. Outside of that just hang tight with what you got
>>108893331maybe get a new oled monitoryour pc is just fine for apex
>>108893331price not an objectwait for the 5800x3d in julyswitch to arch linux and get the 9070xtupgrade ram to 32gb
>>108893339What's the best oled monitor right now?
Building a pc out of some used parts I have lying around. >ryzen 3600>2x8 2666 DDR4 ram (OLOY)>asrock b450m/ac mobo>arc b580 gpu>samsung m.2 ssd pulled from an old windows laptop (should work)>750w bronze psuAt first it was stuck in a boot loop (I'm assuming trying to post), but after reseating ram it stopped power cycling but now gets stuck on the motherboard logo screen indefinitely. Since it reached the mobo logo I assume that means it was able to POST so my ram and cpu should be ok.AI seems to think the issue is the laptop ssd with the new hardware. Its recommending using a usb to reinstall an OS (I was planning on doing this anyway with ventoy and Cachyos). My problem is I can't even get into the bios via mashing F2 or Del to set that as the boot drive. Any ideas on how to get into the bios? I could try removing the ssd but even if I could boot into the live usb I wouldn't have anything to install it on.
>>108893343this
>>108893350remove the ssd if you suspect its preventing boot
Would an arc pro b70 be a good upgrade here?
>>108893343apex doesn't run on linux I think, he's stuck with windows, but the cpu upgrade is the best for his pc indeed
>>108893344The PG27AQDM 720hz 1440p woled is the best one but its hard to make full use of its refresh rate with old hardwareYou'll probably want a cheaper qdoled 1440p 240hz monitor like the alienware AW2726DM to not get cucked by pricing and needing to upgrade your whole pc to make full use of the monitor. though with your 3900x you might have to cap it to 160hz or so to prevent stuttering
>>108891579:^)
>>108893249>the whole point of gaming is to look at shiny graphics>the whole point of gaming
>>108893249that is a Patrick Bateman ass way to look at gaming
which am5 mobo should i get
>>108893763anything with 2 ram slots not 4
>>108893768why 2 instead of 4
>>108893776ddr5 signaling is shit and the extra dimm slots negatively affects speeds.
>>108893776Am5 is only really able to run 4 sticks on paper. DDR5 isn't friendly with mixing ram sticks either even if they say they are compatible. Unless you plan on populating all four slots with the absolute highest amount of memory available (and going through the hassle of actually getting it to function on am5) then just stock to two sticks. The boards built with only two slots know 4 sticks of DDR5 is a gimmick and just let the (shitty) am5 memory controller do it's thing.
>>108893768most 2 dimm boards are lowend matx or too expnsive. there are no good midrange options
ddr6 (2030) will fix consumer pcs, I even bet ddr5 is the last udimm generation and 6 will be socamm or something else
>>108893890sounds expensive
>>108893875>most 2 dimm boards are lowend matx or too expnsive. there are no good midrange optionsModern computing is not a "midrange" hobby.
>>108893901midrange boards range from $250 to $399there's nothing that's atx and costs this much
>>108893890DDR6 will suck even more balls than DDR5. We need a completely different standard for consumer memory, or motherboards need to start using camm2 memory.Look what AMD was able to achieve with their max+ 395. That's something that we need in conventional desktops (with dedicated gpu support)
Future of memory is.... Hierarchical. and there will always be latency-size tradeoff.DDRwhatever will always get beaten by small cache inserted at the right place.
>>108893938camm2 is baked into DDR6
>>108893908It's not really that big of a deal if a board has 4slots just don't occupy all of them. My board has 4 slots.The best boards have two slots hung over the cpu and it's like that for a reason. Zero use for 99% of users though.
>>108893768I hope asus releases a white x870e apex in computex next week
>>108893968Great now put it in motherboards.DDR5 has horrible thermals and I doubt DDR6 (camm2 or not) will be better.
What laptop would you guys recommend overall? I want to run linux and want decent performance. Willing to put in some money. Lunar lake/stix (or gorgon) point/panther lake? Preferably ips and 1080p with good brightness (120hz+ preferable but i can do 60 if needed).
>>108893988if anything they should release an apex where you can turn off usb 4.0 for a second PCIe 5.0 M.2 slot
>>108893989if only there was some kind of thing... that could sink the heat... from ram.
>>108894098Honestly heatsinks are no longer enough for RAM, if you have DDR5 you should have a dedicated fan to ensure max performance.
>>108894098Heatsinks suck because they impede the CPU cooler too much.
>>108894078They have that in their newer NEO refresh boards so that'd basically be guaranteed to be included if they release an updated apex
>>10889409899% of ram heatsinks are purely cosmetic and either don't help, or cause it to run hotter
>>108891412but you praised the motherboards audio codec when USB headsets and phones don't use it. From my experience even on high end x870e mobos the codec tends to be shit
>>108894109True.
>>108894109the glacial has a small fan you can install for RAM but any big GPU would block its airflow
>>108894109only because the form factor doesn't allow room for a proper heatsink.>>108894135wont be an issue for camm, a real heatsink wont need to be thicker than one for a chipset and the fins could easily be horizontal so follows the airflow of modern cases.>>108894154that's because they're not heatsinks, they're just aluminum heat spreaders. they're just a thin bit of aluminium as a bandaid for the heat issue.
>>108894109How hot does your RAM run without a fan?
I got a gaming laptop rn and i despise it, its so loud and heavy. I want to build a PC but i unironically have no space for a setup. Would it be retarded to build a PC for exclusively remote streaming via Moonlight/Sunshine and use like a thin and light laptop as the “head”.
>>108894482I run max trefi so my sticks can't go above 50-55c or they will error out
>>108894590Buy a Steam Machine when that comes out and use it as a streaming box with your devices being laptop, phone, handheld, whatever.
>>108892793>>108892824youre katanas are upside down, research honorable katana placement, I am not joking
>>108894482mine ran at 56C sustained just yesterday, with a fan ._.turns out having a 600W air cooled gpu makes ram run hot
>>108894590no one should make a new pc in this market, but the use case is totally fine, it's almost like you're building a home server
ram heat being an issue is so ridiculous when you consider they only draw 12W per dimm.
>>108894744all you have to do is remove the heat spreaders and they won't overheat
>>108894755remove heat spreaders, attach aluminium bar I bet they'd do better.
>>108894744>>108894755gen4&5 nvmes run hot too and they are like 7-10w.
>>108893177>just force dlss to preset m or l and enjoy the performance settingI've heard about the presets. What are they are where do I set them?
I think my 5700x is dying :^(
>>108895043just do a positive curve optimizer offset for core 1 or turn that core off if overvolting/underclocking doesn't help
>>108895043what are your usual daily avg and max temps?
>>108892342It's always the noctuaboomer with the speccy
>>108894608>>108894677I read a few anecdotes particularly about g.skill running superhot. Some claimed they opened it up and saw bad thermal pad placement or even bad soldering. Which is why I went for t-create expert this time (previous PC was 10 years old) I ran OCCT on the t-create expert and it barely reached 50C. Not shilling, just saying. Because the benchmarks on g.skill do tend to be higher (ofc it depends which model you get) so there's the trade-off.
>>108895061I'll try it, thanks>>108895078The average is around 38C (mostly idling / seeding), max is 62C
>that chink card performs better than the A770 using less silicon on the same nodethats fucking grim
>>108895262oh it doesn't support RT, so they're probably technically behind intel on IPC who was way behind AMD and Nvidia.
Should I purchase a RTX 5090 for $2000 over the MSRP?
your first mistake was using the word msrp
looking to buy a 9060 or 5060 and AM4 CPUshould I wait for black friday? I'm concerned about fake sales, 16GB VRAM models and AM4 getting even more expensive
>>108895368Main components like those haven't been discounted in the last few BFs
>>108895392grim
>>108895327Is money an issue?
>>108895262>>108895276the chink card is not dx12 ultimate Feature Level 12_2 compliant. intel/amd/nvidia are. it will not boot speedway and alan wake 2 runs slow like gtx.
gaytracing bros...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agOFPSwbaiU
>>1088953689070xt looks like it's going to hit msrp soon or get even lower, the 60 series cards never get good price drops because there's much more demandand for am4 you shouldn't really wait for black friday, it isn't going to get much cheaper than it already is
It's hot where I am and my PC fans have been going wild when I've been playing games so I figured it was time to clean the dust out of my PC. I took off the front panel and the filter for the intake fans there was like the scene in National Treasure where Nick Cage's character wipes hundreds of years of dust off the gold medallion
why shouldn't i buy a G 27G610A-B?
I'm putting together a workstation build for 4K video rendering and transcoding, Adobe suite, file serving, remote system management, VMs. Budget is 4k, cunt is Croatia.Why does the sticky say to avoid Asscrack motherboards?This is what I have so far:CPU: Ryzen 9 9950XMBO: ASRock X870 Pro RS WiFiGPU: Gigabyte Gaming OC 5070 TiRAM: G.Skill Ripjaws DDR5-6000 CL36 2x32 GBCooler: Noctua NH-D15PSU: be quiet! Power Zone 2 1000W 80+ PlatCase: Fractal Design Epoch
>>108895327no, you should buy a blackwell 6000.
>>108895806>Why does the sticky say to avoid Asscrack motherboards?You're basically signing up to a lottery where the motherboard could end up killing your CPU.X3D CPUs seem more vulnerable but I've read even 9600X can be ripped.Epoch doesn't have a great chassis btw, consider the Meshify 3 (better chassis and fans).https://www.techpowerup.com/review/fractal-design-epoch-rgb-tg/images/innerfronttop.jpghttps://www.techpowerup.com/review/fractal-design-meshify-3-ambience-pro-rgb/images/innerside1cablecover.jpg
>>108895674each year when I clean my AIO the radiator has dust so thick you can clump it into a ball.
>>108894918nvidia app or profile inspector
>TrendForce reports that global OLED monitor shipments rose 78% year over year in the first quarter of 2026.>TrendForce previously reported that OLED monitor shipments reached 2.735 million units in 2025, up 92% year over year. The research firm expects shipments to grow another 51% in 2026. https://videocardz.com/newz/global-oled-monitor-shipments-rise-78-in-q1-2026-as-asus-reaches-24-share
>>108896070Aren't Asus panels just rebranded Samsung? Lol
>>108896072its like 90% Samsung and 10% LG
>>108896072ASUS source both QD-OLED (Samsung Display) and WOLED (LG Display) panels.
>>108896070damn, dell isn't even in the top 5? I thought they had first mover advantage in oled monitors
>>108896091Dell/Alienware is a USA brand, not really a global brand.
>>108896097anon...
>>108896147They're known for office PCs, displays, and server products worldwide, not the Alienware gaymen brand.
>dell>alienware>dell gaming warenot even once
>>108896147Dell is not popular outside of North America.
>>108896170eh, they're not that bad if you only stick to their monitors
Dell / Alienware supposedly offer the best customer service.I'm reading some universities with Dell supply contracts order Alienware PCs if they need a system with a dGPU.
>>108896170the dell optiplex is a legendary prebuilt next to the compaq presario
So are cpus the next thing that will get expensive? Is it a good Idea to order one now?
why are 9070xts suddenly so cheap? are they clearing out stock to launch rdna5 already
My last build used an i5-4460 so I've been out of the game for a while and have some questions. I am building an upper mid tier rig primarily to run flight sim games to help out with irl flight training. I intend to primarily run Linux but if it causes me a lot of problems I'll get a second drive and throw windows on it. It will also be a general purpose and gaming rig for my wife and I. I'll probably do some video editing and she'll do some 2d art, although anything can handle 2d stuff these days. I'm in the US and my budget is around $1500, though a little higher is ok if it's worth it.Anything on my list not marked as "purchased" is still not solidified. I explain a few of the odd choices below. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7VfxsKAre contact frames still needed on 14th gen Intel chips?Newegg sent a free Cooler Master Elite 240 (not 240L) water cooler with fans when I bought my CPU. I wasn't planning to water cool so I haven't researched it. Is this thing any good?Any budget 1Tb NVME SSD recommendations that are good for boot drives, ideally PCIe 4.0?Any mobo recommendations? Looking for DDR4, 1700 socket, decent cooling for the VRMs, 2 or 3 M.2 slots, and a true PCIe 4.0 X4 slot would be nice for adding other peripherals down the road. Idk what I'll use it for but I keep my PCs for a very long time and I'm more likely to need a high speed peripheral than a ton of PCIe X1 cards, though a few X1s are good to have. I am not planning to overclock my 14700K.I'm getting a used 6800 XT because I've been told that it's overkill VRAM will help a lot in flight sims. Otherwise I'd just get the 3080 like everyone tells me. Do I have this right or not?Holy shit the captchas got EVEN WORSE. None of this would be necessary if the fed would just arrest the pedophile that keeps spamming the boards.
>>108896250>The 25% "Section 301" tariffs on Chinese-assembled graphics cards and motherboards are currently delayed until November 10, 2026basically next year the prices go up and this is their final sale
>>108896241motherboards are going to skyrocket in price
Is water cooling really a meme or is it just /g/ being contrarians as usual
>Air cooling
>>108896281AMD recommends liquid cooling
>dead pump>water evaporation>pump noisenot even once
>>108896256yes get a contact frame. its an easy 5-8C reduction in cpu hotspot temperaturesLast I checked, the CM AIOs aren't built well and has a higher rate of pump failure. I'd sell that for scrap and get a real cooler from Arctic (aio) or Noctua/Thermalright (air)IMO check out the nm790 1tb if you want a solid budget drivefor ddr4 boards, i'd recommend getting an msi z690-a pro if they still make those. those were pretty great back in the day and are one of the few boards to have official support for the uefi replacement Coreboot no idea about flight sim requirements
>>108896279any reason why, gay nexus had a news piece saying they were going down later this yearfor the obvious reason of nobody building computers due to ram
>>108896281>he fell for the AIO is a meme meme
>>108896281It's a meme 99% of the time.
>>108896321the component costs are going up. the chipset for example is outsourced by asmedia.
>>108896281it's a meme all of the time
>>108896279I got a Asus TUF GAMING B650M-PLUS WIFI earlier for 120 dollars, it has that old wifi that works on Win 10, only have the cpu and ram left to buy
>>108896241CPUs will get more expensive for sure. Data centers need more CPUs to run agentic AIs.AMD & Intel will prioritize making more data center CPUs, the new silicon wafers will cost more as well.TSMC's 2nm silicon wafers are estimated to cost around $30,000 vs. $16,000 for 5nm.>>108896250>why are 9070xts suddenly so cheap?Customer demographic issue.People who are fine with buying Radeon cards are probably more price-sensitive when building a new PC.There's no point buying a discounted RX 9000 card when inflated SSD & DRAM prices adds $400~500 to the final build cost.>What about people who just want to upgrade their GPU?For what? new games take ages to release, and frugal RX 6000 card owners are probably willing to ride this out.
the air cooler unc got triggered again... somebody put his ass in the retirement home already so we can enjoy modern better tech in peace
>>108896350Ok thanks, I'll order cpu next week
>>108896256>flight simswhich ones exactly?
>>108896351technically aircoolers have liquid in them
>>108895924Oh fuck, thanks for the heads up. I'll consider the Meshify 3.
>>108896279why would they? All I see for now is that they drop cause no one is building.
>>108896459>>108896272
Ive never updated my bios ever and i always thought it was a meme, what do i get by upgrading my bios?
>>108896495Check your board's official support page & see if there are critical firmware updates, like the ones for Intel 13/14th gen & AM5.Some versions improve memory XMP/EXPO compatibility, some versions set stricter CPU voltage limits (unless you deliberately bypass the rule).
>>108896495probably nothing, maybe everything.
>>108896256>Any mobo recommendations? Looking for DDR4, 1700 socketUpdate that board BIOS to the latest stable version as soon as you can.https://community.intel.com/t5/Mobile-and-Desktop-Processors/Intel-Core-13th-and-14th-Gen-Vmin-Shift-Instabilty-Update-New/m-p/1686948The board you picked out is fine if it's got all the PCIe lanes you need.
>>108896477Isn't this US only?
new build bitches. Actually same build but I moved to Fractal Epoch case for a cleaner look and installed the new Chromax G2 fans noctua just released.
>>108896748>only shows his right handfucking gooner
intel bros...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkTx1i2Nt2w
Sorry for the terrible quality but this 12vhpwr cable is fully seated right? I've not had any problems so far but I'd really rather not have my 5090 burn my house down
>>108897084Is the clip hooked to the small hook?
>>108897084Seems fine, set an undervolt to around 900mV to help the chip draw less current.
>>108897084I'd suggest to get an angled connector though the one cable I had from cablemod also would hit 9A on a single pin. If you're really paranoid get the MSI PSU but then you'll have to deal with MSI center or a wireview 2 pro
>>108896361X-plane 12 and MSFS 24, at least to start. Maybe Kerbal Space Program too.
>arctic p12 vs p12 proPro is pretty nuch pointless if I don’t intend to go above 1800 rpm anyway, right? I have 9800x3d and a gpu that’s undervolted to 80% maximum so things are already efficient
>>108897378They changed the Pro fans to make it hum a bit less at certain RPMs.
the 5060 should have 12gbthe 5060 ti should also have 12gbthe 5070 should have 16gb
>>108894590Download throttle stop and learn how to restrict watts to the CPU. I can limit my cpu to 30 watts with not impact to gaming performance and it helps with the thermals and noise.
>>108893080I have a 9800x3d and an RTX 5070 ti and play at those settings with DLSS.About $2800 give or take.
I bought lian li dan a3 wood edition on whim while drunk today. Did I fucked up
>>108896748im mirin'
>>108897440without shortages we'd have 5070 super with 18gb right now
>>108897634>super
>>108897640moot rly needs to add acc requirement to post
>>108897648fuck off this isn't reddit
Is this top m2 placement gonna cook it under the gpu?
>>108893080>native 4K m raytracing?You need more than 16gb for that.
>>108897764Nah its fine
>>108891579Are AMD gpu drivers really that bad even on linux?I wanna buy an rtx 5070 ti but it's almost 60% more expensive than an rx 9070 xt in my country.I don't wanna pay the goy tax just to get almost the exact same performance.
>>108897939>Are AMD gpu drivers really that bad even on linux?who said that they were bad? they are after intel igpu drivers the best on linux and much better than nvidia drivers by a huge margin still.
>>108897939>even on linux?novalve has shipped millions of AMD GPUs in the steam deck
>>108897959>>108897963So you don't get stuff like driver crashes or black screens like people complain online? Are they windows users?
>>108897971RDNA1 and RDNA3 are broken at the hardware levelbut no i never got any driver crashes or black screens with the RX 580 or 6800 XT or 9070 XT
>>108897971the people who don't have issues have no reason to complain online, right?
>>108897971no you don't get those (even on windows). people who complain about those either have a broken gpu/ bad psu and are too retarded to send it back and or they overclocked/ undervolted it to become unstable.i had a 480, 5700xt, 7900gre, 7900xt, 7900xtx and 9070xt and never had issues with my drivers on both windows and linux
>>108897971>>108897995actually now that i think about it when i first bought the 9070 XT there was a bug where the card would blackscreen if you had freesync enabledso i'm not being entirely honestbut i just played without freesync for a few weeks and then it was fixedit was this commit: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/agd5f/linux/-/commit/288ec2b5d06d5813c1f01d297c572b9e0a58dddf
>>108898028i bought mine later so i didn't have this issue >>108898006
>>108898040yeah makes sensethat's the only problem i had, can't think of any issues at all with the older cardsofc back in the day DXVK wasn't entirely stable but that wasn't an AMD issue, it crashed on all cards
>>108898048i bought the 5700xt from a friend who always had driver time outs on his system (on windows). he had a 550w psu and a 3700x at the time. i used it just fine on both windows and linux with my 3600 and 550w psu. he upgraded his psu to an 850w one when he bought his 3080. we tested his 5700xt again with the psu and it ran just fine.
>>108898080i don't know what the deal was with RDNA1 but with RDNA3 some cards had to be downclocked to be stablehttps://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/28260that's just an objective fact, saying it "works on my machine" doesn't change that AMD shipped out buggy GPUs to a lot of people
>>108898092for me it was always a psu issue when it came to crashes and driver timeouts. weak psus that couldn't cope. i bought like four 7900gre from a reseller that he said were all defective because they had driver timeouts all the time and black screen crashes. they all worked just fine in my system and i used each one for a month or so with a 750w psu.
>>108898092early in my 6800xt's life i had to lock the clocks to max else it would be too aggressive in downclocking and crash itself. eventually it was fixed i assume by driver updoots. on linux (arch btw)
>>108898092I know the 7900XTX has cards boosting to 2945-3050mhz out of the box when their advertised clock should be 2500-2680mhz. Seems more like a VBIOS issue though.
>>108898188interesting that it would crash, i also locked the clocks on the 6800 XT but that was because it was downclocking too much with locked FPS>>108898210what clocks do you think reviewers ran them at?
>>108898230every reviewer has different samples.computerbase has the correct clocks, techpowerup shows it hitting 3ghz.https://www.computerbase.de/artikel/grafikkarten/rx-7900-xtx-oc-rtx-4080-oc-benchmark.83028/https://www.techpowerup.com/review/sapphire-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-nitro/38.htmlsame nitro card but different vbios i guess
>>108898262there's only one VBIOS for the nitro cardhttps://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/?manufacturer=Sapphire&model=RX+7900+XTX
>>108898273022.001.002.039.000001 is the latest vbios for nitro. techpowerup doesnt have all the vbios public.
>>108898092tldr, what's the issue they are having?
>>108898273>>108898284https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/282006/282006
>>108898230it was always when going from a low power state like a cut scene back into game. thinking about it now, it could have been trying to boost too hard and i just masked it by basically always hitting other limits before it clocked into unstable territory.
>>108898285profile_peak locks all clocks to base clockso they are downclocking the card to make the game stablehelldivers 2 had lots of issues on RDNA3>>108898288lol so you're saying they shipped out early cards with a buggy VBIOS to get better review scoresyeah that is something AMD would do
>>108898319It doesn't affect all cards but yeah some have the wrong clocks. It should be RMA'd or the support website of whoever you bought it from give you the correct VBIOS update.
Is this thing good enough for Stellar Blade video game?https://www.techpowerup.com/cpu-specs/ryzen-ai-7-pro-450g.c4350Or do I have to buy those overpriced video cards?
>>108898473>>Or do I have to buy those overpriced video cards?as opposed to buying an overpriced cpu instead?
>>108898473you prob want a 5070 to play sb
DDR4 is cheap, but AM4 3D cpus are expensive.DDR5 is expensive, but AM5 3D cpus are cheap.JUST KILL ME
>>108898544>but AM5 3D cpus are cheap.ehthe desirable 9800x3d is >4007800x3d was regularly >350€ before the ddr5 prices went up
>>108898544>memory shortage era>the processors for the high availability memory are expensive because everyone wants them>the processors for the low availability memory are cheap because no one wants themwaow
>>108898549This one is what I'm looking at right now.
current setup:intel i7-7700kmsi z270 sli atxtforce 32gb ddr4 3600asrock radeon 6650xt 8 gbmc bundle considering:amd 5800xtasus b550 prime atxgskill 16gb ddr4 3200also considering asrock radeon 9060xt 16gb, not in bundle.i want to use the ram from the i7 system for a combined total of 48gb. will the two ram kits play nice in the asus b550 board? worth it for ~$750 ?
>>108898552IDK why the PC market has degenerated to shell games with pricing based on gate keeping rather than performance.
>>108898570anon this is fundamental economic theory. If there's a lot of demand, without a commensurate increase in supply, prices will go up.
To hell with 3Dram. Maybe I should just buy the cheap 16 cores, with cheap ddr4 and call it a day.
>>108898575The theory assumes people are rational.Literally nothing stopping people from just pricing high with no concern about moving it anytime soon or finding the "right" buyer.
>>108898588>nuclear >turbo stroke
>>108898594I'm on a dead Phenom 4 desktop right now. This can only be an upgrade.
>>108898588i'd rather buy the cheapest 32gb 5200mhz cl40 kit with a 7800x3d than a used 5700/5800x3d or 5950x
>>108898643Isn't the point of 3Dcache that you don't need as fast RAM?
>>108898657yeah that is why i'd be fine with 5200mhz at cl40
>>108898319>helldivers 2I have rdna2, and am on Ubuntu. can I help in any way, or is rdna2 totally unaffected?
>>108898657its even part of amds marketing
Tom's hardware kicked out all of the AM4 Zens from their benchmark summaries.
>>108898665oh... lmao. might buy used at this point.>>108898686intel bots...
>>108898319but also lol @ team red not working in hell
>>108898678its 2 years old drivers issues no longer relevant
Why do you all still use Windows?
What the fuck, PajeetTech died?It was only 10 years ago when they were still alive and kicking.
>>108898678RDNA2 is solid across the boardand that commit is two years old>>108898686b-but muh 5800X3D!!! never obsolete!!!
>>108898709they are retarded.
>>108898690Basically, it's just a bad time to buy a computer.See, what was happening is that the race of Koreans (south korea) began twisting the screws on the whole computer market of the whole world, after previously undercutting the whole world to destroy their competitiveness. This is also the way the race of the chinese stole industry. It's the Walmart way too, cheap shit drives the local mom & pop out of biz, then the prices ramped back up and the whole bitch was screwed.Corporations, just like races, are able to act collectively in a way that destroys life, and as such are to be considered an evil worthy of total hatred. Any nation, or group, which upholds the schemers against humanity and human causes is a cancer.
>>108898719Hmm, maybe I should give the stupid penguin a chance.But I'm only considering this because I saw a Black Myth torrent for linux on rutracker, and a stellar blade torrent also for linux.
>>108898703Oh, a historic thing? Why was it brought up?>>108898686>Tom's hardwarenotorious retards.
>>108898739If you can't afford games, you should be working, and not playing.
>>108898755I only buy in Chinese gacha games.All the other games will have to subsidise that.
>>108898737i'd just buy a used kit on ebay. i'd test it over night with mem test for errors. ebay is good with returns. they just give you your money back and tell you to send back the backage to the seller without their knowledge.
>>108898767based
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vh1jmwbpCQQ
>>108898737>See, what was happening is that the race of Koreans (south korea) began twisting the screws on the whole computer market of the whole world, after previously undercutting the whole world to destroy their competitivenessThis has basically been everyone but China at this point.Even the Taiwanese who was really good as mass manufacturing and cost reduction did so until there was a few left and now you have basically 3 motherboard vendors and a handful more GPU vendors.Prices has never been higher
>go to reviewer websites to check cpu performance>realise I don't play any of this slop like Starfield and BG3
>>108898768btw it turns out dram sales are flat.ie it's just the korean race, nothing to do with ai or datacenters. It's just the races leveraging their hive mind tendency.
>>108898781>>108898797i hope both get invaded by china for this bullshit
>>108898781china hiked their prices too. You are getting ripped off on everything you have ever bought in your life, from china. Because of course you are.
Is there a reviewer who measures PS3 emulation performance?
>>108898801The solution was always simple. You have to protect domestic production through import controls, including tariffs, which can simply be adjusted until the price accords with what's workable with domestic production, or just a total ban, either a temporary one, or, as has been the case, a ban that is only lifted temporarily, during problems with domestic production.
>>108898810>You have to protect domestic production through import controls, including tariffs,Bruh, this just raises pricing even more than right now.
>>108898805exactly.The slop games are *not* realistic. The walking animation is stupid in every game. The moment people start walking you know it's fake.
>>108898802China has done nothing but make my hobbies cheaper over the years in comparison to western and Taiwanese companies.
>>108898810When it comes to component manufacturing like mobos and GPUs. There is dwindling domestic production. Nor any interest in preserving domestic production.It's just wherever is cheaper at the time.
>>108898812Lots to say here. democracy is evil, communism is evil, capitalism is evil. Until we understand this, it's impossible to do anything wise.It's not actually complicated, it's just impossible to act under such conditions. For the system to not act like a dumb pol word, it would have to be a totally different system.
>>108898827Yeah, pol word. High time preference, on the societal level.
any star citizen players? what do i need for a smooth 1440p experience?
>>108898841How is it /pol/ to say certain companies will pick wherever it is cheapest to manufacture something?At the time is just a point in time. Could be cheaper to manufacture something in Vietnam today and cheaper in china some time later
>>108896589Somehow I missed that the board I slapped on my list has a true 4X, thanks for making me take another look lol.
>>108898862pol word is the n word, ok?
Okay, I'm picking the 7800 3D thingy.Where can I buy the cheaper Chinese DDR5?Is it just aliexpess?Or is there some other shop you guys use?
>>108898993>cheaperhehehehehehehehehehHOHOHOHOOHOHOHOHOOHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
>>108898993>cheaper Chinese DDR5?Fake news
This image isn't related to dram, but it's related to the orient, and why asians, such as israelis, shouldn't be allowed to touch technology.
>>108898805no because emulation builds and vulkan gpu drivers are changing pretty much weekly. their video from a year ago would be super outdated.the devs cpu tier list is still accurate though.https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Rpq_2D4Rf3g6O-x2R1fwTSKWvJH7X63kExsVxHnT2Mc/htmlviewB-tier CPUs and better run the game better than a real PS3. Below runs it on par or worse.
>>108898993pinduoduo sells cheap ram and cheap oleds but you need a shipping forwarder like superbuy if you live in the states or yuro.
>>108899086>union leader strongarms management into giving workers a big bonusthere's absolutely nothing wrong with this picture, in fact, it's a great picture
>>108899159Although it's not the dram people, let's think about what you are saying.The corporate values are:Together, for the glory of money.Yeah, I'm against that kind of person. I hope they all get aids.
>>108898860X3D CPU + 32GB RAM + SSD + DX12 GPU with low CPU overhead (Radeon/Intel)
>>108899246>The corporate values are: Together, for the glory of money.That's literally every single corpo in the world, you see the same shit in US companies.
Is it true if I get a 32gb ram stick now and if in the future i get another one of the same model i may not be able to run them in dual channel because of 'silicon lottery'??
>>108899346Yes
Has AMD decided to phase out 5800x3D production?Or is it still being ordered?
>>108899346correct because ram is always sold in kits never singles. if you got sold a single you got scammed by the seller. the next ram stick you get could be samsung, hynix, micron, or chinese.
>>108899446They just started rolling out a relaunch
>>108899490>>108899490>>108899490
>>108899446>bothering with a 400EUR ancient cpu
>>1088994465800x3d was long dead. 5700x3d became its replacement. theres a anniversary edition 5800x3d but dont bother its limited and overpriced.
>>108899334NOFALSEThe white race is totally different.
>>108899346There's (a) different memory chips, (b) memory chip manufacturing variance and (c) ram pcb revision to deal with. All of the above can or will cause stability issues if you randomly mix or match memory sticks
>>108899703>>108899454>>108899351
>>108899732The low iq of women is sometimes terrifying.
I'm getting a used 6800 XT. I want a Sapphire model but they're pretty uncommon on eBay. Any models you guy recommend? Any to stay away from, or that don't like Linux for whatever dumb reason?
>>108900695I have an xfx 6950xt. I like it, My bet is the 6800 is similar. you should check by finding videos about it.mine has a switch to change bios versions (obviously not while powered up).the fan curve is too un-aggressive. I have the fan run all the time, and ramp up a lot faster. the ramping is too slow for ai but probably not too slow for any games, so it's ok to not change, I guess. I would change it though.It has a little light that tells you if it's not getting enough power because you didn't seat the power connector right, I like that.Overall, I think I'm basically an xfx customer now.
