Yes it has some negative aspects like forced Microsoft account in its default configuration (which allegedly some engineers internally within Microsoft are opposed to) and Bing search in start menu, but on the whole it works well and smoothly. And even W11 haters will admit it looks better than W10's metro holdover from W8 tablet design.
I don't think Windows has been hated nearly enough over the past decade. If anything, this recent wave of hate against them is long overdue, and I claim they're not even hating it for the more deserving and egregious reasons.
>>108892283fpbp
>>108892283This, unironically
Already using GliNUx(TM)™.
>>108892271Astroturfing horseshit>>108892283Correct.
>>108892271I'm pretty sure this is a glowie postDisregard it immediately
>microjeets are shilling on /g/what's the point even? there are like 5 people here
No I don't think it is.However I don't think people hate 10 enough. They have this idea in their heads that W10 was all perfect and then W11 came out and destroyed civilization when really, W10 introduced practically 80 if not 90% of the cancer W11 distributes.
>>108893733That's why OP's observation is correct. The outrage around Win11 is manufactured. We live in an age where people have a need to be outraged about everything 24/7, and when Win11 released with all of it's direct annoyances of bad UI changes, and the Steam Deck released giving hope that Valve would make Windows 2.0, people online went apeshit and it became impossible to discuss Windows without being called a shill if you don't blindly and relentlessly hate it.In my case, I have extensive experience with Windows. Win10 22H2 OOTB is as unusable as Win11 OOTB. All the same bullshit people complain about 11 was in 10. Then after spending a little time on removing it, both Win10 and Win11 become perfectly usable, with Win11's hard-coded UI being more annoying but that's about it. Windows 11 hate is manufactured and people refuse to accept they're cattle that'll gladly follow the herd instead of thinking for themselves. Otherwise they wouldn't look at Win10 through rose tinted glasses, and if they truly, TRULY hated Windows as much as they pretend they do, they would've moved to Linux decades ago instead of hoping there'll finally be a wunderwaffe distro that'll let them make the move, which is a silent confession that they don't want to move to Linux and only LARP about how better Linux is since they're just that incompetent as human beings.
>>108892271>overhated*overrated
And what OP mentioned here>which allegedly some engineers internally within Microsoft are opposed toThis isn't as bullshit as you may think. People love to assume Microsoft is a hivemind, but people in the know will remember how Bill Gates cemented the infighting in the company culture, where different divisions within Microsoft would sabotage each other to get bonuses. This company culture continues to this day, and I do feel like the Windows division genuinely wants Windows to not be complete dogshit, but they're at a direct conflict with the company.One thing that I remember is the agentic AI features in the Insider builds. They were opt-in by default, you had to go through hoops to enable them, and it would tell you up-front it's a bad idea to enable them. This goes against the outrage narrative that Windows wants to force AI down your throat. Why? Because the Windows division clearly doesn't want to force AI but they're at the odds with the higher ups.It's also why Win11's code quality suffered from vibe coding. There is a company wide mandate to reach AI coding quotas. Yes it is insanely fucking retarded and Satya Nadella is a dumb nepotistic fuck, but that would explain why despite Win10 being a product of Nadella, Win11 is that much worse. If anything the old guard remaining in the Windows team really didn't want to vibe code Windows since they know it's a bad idea, but they didn't have a choice, and it's not like they can come out and talk about all the internal issues in the company. It's not like the outrage mob would care either, since they'd just like to see them beheaded like the unwashed masses they are.
I installed it on my mom's PC and it consumes 10% more RAM than W10.
>>108892271UNDERHATED
>>108892271Microslop is not hated enough.
>>108892271Well I skeptically tried Fedora for gaming and the game actually ran smoother than on windows? The pc also ran with about 6gb ram less idle, and was noticeably quieter. Wtf? Am I beginning to believe?
>>108893733It was hated enough when it was released, with its forced updates and all. It's just you can't maintain this level of hate for a decade. But make no mistake. 8 was dogshit, 10 was mega dogshit and 11 is ultra dogshit.
>>108892271Damn nigga maybe you shouldve boiled the frog before linux became usable as a daily driver, huh
>>108892271For me Windows 11 is just a direct upgrade that does everything better than Windows 10. I always hated that ugly as fuck Windows 8 and 10 era UI design that looked so cheap. They really made Windows 11 look like an OS that can be taken seriously. Every default app also removed a ton of clutter while at the same time increasing it's usability which I find impressive.The worst thing about it is the forced Microsoft Account since it is a completly unneeded restriction that offers nothing in return. Everything else that is bad is just the same as in Windows 10 so no reason to single out Windows 11.>>108894306>>108894327100% true in everything you said but people don't want to admit it. All the people that have a hate boner for Windows are just being manipulated by outrage content without realizing it. I am certain they couldn't even name 1 (one) thing they hate about it without giving some vague statement like "it's full of AI slop". You have to go out of your way to use any of those features and even then they seem very harmless. Who cares if an OS has features that I don't use?Windows hate, AI hate and Linux shilling all came together to milk viewers for engagement and spread as much misinformation as possible. Reasonable positions and nuance just doesn't generate clicks since people just want to lash out and be angry. Notice how all the replies itt are just stupid namecalling without any arguments.
>>108895238> Notice how all the replies itt are just stupid namecalling without any arguments.I’m>>108894442 and I gave a pretty decent example of why windows dropped the ball. I can’t daily drive linux due to app compatibility but pretending issues with windows don’t exist is also not fair.
I've never heard a compelling argument why you shouldn't use the very latest version of Windows that can't be summarised as being tech illiterate or being poor. Even Vista and 8 were perfectly usable for me and were objectively upgrades over XP and 7. I even liked that on 8 the start button was removed because I meant more taskbar space.
>>108894442>The pc also ran with about 6gb ram less idleI really wonder how people get these ridiculous high RAM usage numbers on Windows. Windows 11 uses less than 3.5GB of RAM in idle for me without any "debloating" and Linux uses about 3GB. But Windows obviously has way more stuff going on in the background like Windows Defender while Linux is really barebones in the desktop. So to me Linux seems more unoptimized.
>>108895292>Windows 11 uses less than 3.5GB of RAM in idleThis is for caching anyway which speeds up your machine. Anyone looking and caring about RAM utilisation is a retard.
>>108895292Idk maybe also things like onedrive and stuff. Mine idles around 9-10 gb, fedora workstation around 4 on the same machine.
>>108895271>pretending issues with windows don’t exist is also not fairNo one is pretending that Windows is perfect. It's still full of issues, but a) many of Win11's issues were Win10's issues, b) they're not as disastrous as the outrage herd makes them out to be and c) it's still a much better experience than actually trying to daily drive Linux.It's not about whitewashing Windows, it's about being real about how bad it actually is.
>>108895238You're indian.
>>108895369>it's still a much better experience than actually trying to daily drive LinuxI just have the opposite experience, simple as that.I've been daily driving linux for nearly a year and I've been doing pretty much what I do on Windows, but had less headaches overall. What I'll agree with is that Win11 is not severely worse than 10 already is.
no thanks, I'm sticking with Linux, here's why>It is not possible to completely remove all telemetry from any modern Windows OS using internal settings or scripts alone. Windows is essentially a "black box" where certain telemetry pings are hardcoded to bypass local controls.>Why 100% Removal is Impossible Locally>Hardcoded Bypass: Microsoft has hardcoded specific domains (like windowsupdate.com) into the dnsapi.dll file. This allows Windows to bypass your system's hosts file and ignore your local DNS settings to ensure it can reach its own servers.>Essential Heartbeats: Even at the "Security" (Level 0) telemetry setting, Windows continues to send "essential" data to maintain system stability, security updates, and license verification.>Persistent Services: Third-party scripts or custom ISOs physically remove many telemetry components, but they cannot remove the core networking instructions that trigger "phone home" behavior at the kernel level.
>>108895271I actually also noticed some of the things that you mentioned on Linux which gave me a positive first impression but later on the issues just kept on piling up. Most notably the quiter fans but that could also be caused by different power management settings in Linux compared to Windows. The whole desktop also seems way more unstable and the complete lack of any software is just the killing blow for me.And there is a lot of stuff that can be criticised about Windows but for every bug, crash and bad UI design in Windows, I find 10 times more on any Linux distro. And gaming is very hit or miss for me on Linux. Sometimes it works great and other times you have weird performance issues, crashes and audio bugs.>>108895303I also don't understand the fixation with RAM usage. People even choose specific distros and desktop environments because they use 100MB less memory. The only time RAM usage matters is when you run out of it and your application crashes or it swaps to disk which causes slow downs.
Windows is designed to treat the user as a data source. Even the "Pro" and "Enterprise" versions require constant intervention to keep them from phoning home or resetting your privacy settings during updates.
>>108895386You people really are a special bunch.
>>108895451you have activated my trap card
>>108895409>>108895416Genuine question. Why do people care about telemetry? Telemetry is used for stuff like identifying performance issues and sending crash reports right? It's not like they are building a user profile to target you with ads or something. What kind of information could they even track that would be of any use to anyone except for improving Windows? "John Smith opened Firefox at 3 pm and closed it 2 hours later." Who would want that data?
>>108895409thanks claude
>>108892271>Yes it has some negative aspects like forced Microsoft account in its default configurationNigger the whole premise is that by using Windows, your PC is not your own, and MS holds it hostage while incentivizing you to pay for Onedrive, 365, copilot slop and other shit. Forced MS accounts is just one side effect of this.>which allegedly some engineers internally within Microsoft are opposed toYes I'm sure the nazis also had some soldiers in their ranks that were opposed to Hitler's plans. We saw how it all turned out. They're just as complicit as all the developers working for EA and Ubisoft et cetera.
id rather suffer thru broken KDE like having to manually connect my bluetooth because its retarded, than allow Microsoft to pee on my head and tell me it's raining
>>108895483>Telemetry is used for stuff like identifying performance issues and sending crash reports right?Ideally that's what is used for, but considering that most Windows users don't know how to disable it and over years we've had buggier and buggier releases, the results don't match that at allIf it was opt in sure, they could get away with the excuse that "people don't enable it anyways", but it's the exact opposite. They have a pool of information that would have improved their products over time. So there's no reason to give them any information whatsoever because you have more of a guarantee that these issues will pile up rather than be fixed, or that it'll take about 8 years until some intern figures it out.Consider that they did have some forms of telemetry to find out how people utilized the start menu, supposedly, which is why they removed the start button in Windows 8 on claims that people didn't use it, and what followed was pretty much outrage by everyone which turned into 8.1 restoring the fucking button.>It's not like they are building a user profile to target you with ads or something. They have demonstrably used it for this purpose and don't even hide it at all, they will tell you this is one their purposes. People care about their privacy, get the fuck over it already.
>>108895460lol, I actually also know that this map is garbage and fake. I just find it hilarious that people have this eternal jeet boogeyman in their mind.
>>108895483>Who would want that data?In isolation, telemetry data isn't particularly interesting. But on aggregate, telemetry data is absolutely mind-meltingly bad for privacy. You might as well remove your curtains and locks and share your medical history publically.If you want to see the most dystopian version of this, you should look into World of Warcraft logging. Your entire existence can be summarised into a performance number. https://carried.io/Now apply this to your purchases, finances, medical history, GPS data etc and you have absolutely no visibility on what companies are using that data for. (I'm not saying Warcraft logs / carried is bad, but it gives insight in what you can do with telemetry)
i use w11 (and edge) and ive saved an average of 200 hours per year the average linux user
>>108895530What?
>>108895483this is bait. poor quality, too
>>108895409To be fair, the telemetry isn't as bad as it's cracked out to be. It's fairly transparent and anonymized. And I have yet to see proof it's worse than W10.>Telemetry isn't a privacy violation because it is anonymous usage data that cannot be used to identify you. If you're interested in the specifics as to what Windows collects from your machine, you can actually download Diagnostic Data Viewer from Windows Store, which provides full insight into telemetry data, unencrypted.>Think of telemetry data like automatic feedback. Normally if something doesn't work or works really poorly, you would contact MS yourself and provide hardware info everything needed to diagnose and fix the issue. Telemetry data does this for you instead - it is there to ensure that the system works on your hardware configuration.>Anyone who has actually looked into diagnostic data & telemetry will tell you that it's absolutely nothing to be worried about. The ones who say Windows is spying on everything you do spread unwarranted FUD that has been proven incorrect again and again. https://www.reddit.com/r/windows/comments/1i7lz2g/comment/m8pf394/
>>108895483i saw a webm of a russian guy reverse engineering windowsi'm convinced it constantly sends screenshots
>>108895603>>108895604
>>108895604goddamn that's horrendous
>>108895460I highly recommend just giving up both the Pajeet argument and the tranny argument altogether.
>>108895644i highly recommend not assuming people are using d*bian and its derivatives on personal computers>both the Pajeet argument and the tranny argument altogether.both apply to microsoft?
>>108895604What is the source for this?
>>108895517>>108895521But I don't see how the data that Windows collects could be used for tracking since the OS is mostly used to launch applications. Surely something like Chrome can track and collect way more useful information than Windows could. It can track what websites you visit, what your interests are, where and what you buy and so on. Tracking all that and selling this data is the main source of revenue for all the web companies like Google and Facebook but Microsoft's revenue seems to be coming from totally different places. Even Windows makes up less than 10% of their total income. To me it seems overblown to call Windows spyware when there are other companies that literally spy on you as their business model. I would be more fearful of running stock Android made by Google than running Windows with all the telemetry set to max.Also despite Windows not being in the best state, I think that without the telemetry it would be even worse. Just look at the Linux desktop world where random small glitches happen sporadically but no one knows how to fix them because there is just no telemetry being collected which would identify the issue.
>>108895604
>>108895603>you can actually download Diagnostic Data Viewer from Windows Store, which provides full insight into telemetry data, unencryptedThis. If the Windows telemetry really was that bad then I am sure one of those privacy "experts" would have looked at everything that gets send and made a huge video about it. But when you look it up there are barely any videos about it because sensational headlines generate more views than actually showing proof.
>>108895762What the fuck are you on about?Microsoft implements ads within Windows features. They even ask you if you want these ads to be personalized. Nowhere do they tell you how to disable these, instead you're told "you will still get those ads, but we won't just add that sort of tracking". They've been very demonstrably tracking all sorts of different data through multiple different venues, whether it's windows search, clicks on news articles or fucking checking the weather. They haven't been providing products for free just because they're kind hearted people.>Just look at the Linux desktop world where random small glitches happen sporadically but no one knows how to fix them because there is just no telemetry being collected which would identify the issue.On linux issues like that get frequently reported, transparently logged by the user (because it doesn't need to be hidden) and there's no interest in not fixing them. And you as an user can even try your hand yourself at it, that's the difference.On Windows you're shit out of luck because if you report a problem where it's supposed to be reported, all you get is basically the equivalent of a bot telling you "did you try turning it off and on again?" without any possible control on what data is gathered, whether there's anything personal in there, whether that's published to whom and no update on whether that's ever fixed, being worked on or not.
>>108895907The only ads I encountered were "sponsored" news articles in the taskbar and on the Edge startscreen. They aren't even real articles but bottom off the barrel junk made for boomers to click on. It is really embarrassing that they have to do this. Also in the weather app are just straight up scam ads integrated. "Click here to find out how to make 10.000 dollars a day with crypto". I don't know what lunatic thought it was a good idea to integrate that shit since it causes irreparable brand damage and they can't be making much money from it. And there is also the shit in the start menu that needs to be removed. But after all that is done I never saw anything ad related.>On linux issues like that get frequently reportedWhenever I encounter a problem on Linux I often find open issues that have been open for mutliple years with barely any interaction. And the only interactions argue if it even is a problem in the first place or how to workaround the issue instead of fixing it. And the issues I had where so obvious that it made the application almost unusable. Even an AI could have probably fixed the issue since it was that simple.And a lot of Linux issues are like "Sometimes my audio gets corrupted for like 5 seconds at random times without any real cause". With stuff like that only telemetry can identify it.
>>108892271The biggest issue is that it’s an American company…
>>108896117>With stuff like that only telemetry can identify it.There is nothing you can't do by yourself as a user. You can dump all sorts of information and share it yourself on your own terms.And i>>108896117>I often find open issues that have been open for mutliple years with barely any interaction.Then interact to make people aware, you actually have the ability>he only interactions argue if it even is a problem in the first place or how to workaround the issue instead of fixing itIn most cases this is about lack of features, not bugs. If your taskbar starts flickering or you can't open an application because of an actual error no one's gonna argue with you that "that's how it's supposed to work".>And the issues I had where so obvious that it made the application almost unusableUnusable as in "it doesn't have the feature I wanted it to have" or "I cannot open it or get it to function within the boundaries of the features available to it"?
>>108896117To be honest I reflexively turn off this slop instantly whenever I install Windows somewhere so I haven't noticed too much.
>>108892271>on the whole it works well and smoothly.t. Has never used Windows 11, but still has an opinion
>>108892271There is literally no difference between Windows 11 and 10 if you just replace the start menu. I'm way too old to care about shit like this.
>>108892271- Windows 7 was good.- Windows 8.1 was faster and better but with the tablet interface that you didn't have to use.- Windows 10 removed stuff from control panel, took away your control over updates and introduced minor UI bugs and was considered significantly more brickable when overclocking.- Windows 11 is apparently UI enshittification galore with making basic usability just worse and introducing artificial limitations and input lag to menu.All around the trend is that things get worse.
>>108892271>>108895238>>108894306suspicious posts
>>108892283this tbqh
>>108896296>You can dump all sorts of information and share it yourself on your own terms.The problem is who has the knowledge to actual do that and are they willing to do it. 99% of people don't even know where they should report the bug to since they don't know what caused it.>Then interact to make people awaresee picrelAnd the most egregious issues were with the various default Gnome image viewers. The first one had a really annoying white border around every image that couldn't be removed. Someone opened an issue and the reply was "I am closing this task as invalid. Thank you for your understanding!"Then they replaced it with a new image viewer and this one was barely usable. There was this bug that made the image go from smooth to pixelated every time you panned, zoomed or had your mouse touch the UI. This was known but no one cared since they would replace it with yet another new image viewer soon.This new one is completly unusable. They completly removed the smoothing so the image is always pixelated. At zoom levels greater than 100% the image turns into a complete jaggy mess. Someone opened an issue and the developers said this was done on purpose so they won't fix it. Zooming also doesn't work properly and all the buttons got removed from the UI. I don't think opening issues helps with incompetent developers.
>>108896565>anything going against the status quo I believe in must be paid oppositionWhat a sad existence to live.
>>108896968>works well and smoothly, such as being extremely laggy with weird UI delays>11 does everything better, such as _____ and _______ and _________>bootleg apple design is good because it looks professional wowzers I'm a real adult now>widespread usability and UI criticism is outrage content>sucks OP's dick>"All the same bullshit people complain about 11 was in 10" (literally just not true)>Linux strawman, Linux bad = Windows goodAll in perfect reddit paragraphs
>>108897046>every imaginable sentence structure makes you a shill>writing more than one sentence makes you a shill>not hating on absolutely everything makes you a shillYou are right. Instead I should just call everyone jeets, glowies and trannies if they disagree with me. Also you still haven't named a single thing that makes you so angry about Windows 11 unlike the supposed "shill" posts that all had something negative to say.
>>108897166>right click menu enshittification>explorer enshittification and instability>no uncombine taskbar buttons (I heard it got fixed?)>no uncenter taskbar buttonsI don't know every little detail because I don't use something that shit. Windows 10 had way less complaints (mainly about the forced updates and account forcing attempts) and I still found new issues compared to Windows 8.1. Windows 11 launched with mountains of flaws and I don't need to go find out about the ones nobody mentioned or gamble with which of them may have been fixed. Microslop Windows 11 has earned its name a flop. Try again with next Windows.>supposed "shill" posts that all had something negative to say.that's just basics of shilling. They also contained blatant inaccuracies.
>>108897166Ok tranny
>>108892271Deleted my exe files from games.Updated on it's own in the middle of a callback and restarted too
>>108897269>right click menu enshittificationThe only thing I hate about it is how slow the start up is. Otherwise I prefer the new design and find it far better. But there should've been a toggle to change it.>explorer enshittification and instabilityI also prefer the new explorer to the old one. The old one was so bad with no functionality while having tons of useless buttons everywhere. To this day I don't know what they did. I only notice the UI being slow to load on start up.>no uncombine taskbar buttons (I heard it got fixed?)This works now. I can't stand the combined icons and I wouldn't have been able to use it otherwise.>no uncenter taskbar buttonsI think this was always possible. You just needed to activate Windows in order to customize it. One of the first things I changed.But to be fair I didn't use Win 11 on launch and only updated once Win 10 become EOL. And I remember people also hating all the new Windows 10 features like Cortana, Windows Defender, Edge, telemetry, metro UI, needing workarounds to use local accounts an so on. The only stuff I hate about 11 is the shit they introduced in 10 and 8.>>108897280Trannies are probably the least likely people in the whole world who would shill for Windows since using Windows is considered normal.
>>108892271The new task manager is trash. From the time I press ctrl+alt+delete to the time it finishes populating the task list, over five seconds have passed. My old PC running W10 finishes almost instantly, and that thing's over a decade old.Modern software developers are a bunch of retarded fucking monkeys. I hate them.
>>108892271You made this same thread last week, microjeet shill.
>>108892271works on my machine (I use GNOME btw)
>>108895238Fakest and most inorganic post I've ever read in a long time. If you're being paid for this, then your employer is getting scammed. Should replace you with an AI, I'm sure it'd do just as poorly.
>>108896858Usecase for borderless images? Usecase for non-pixelated images? Usecase for zooming? Usecase for buttons?This is unironically the mindset of GN*ME developers. Do not use their software if you wish to stay sane. That's simply how it is in the FOSS world. They're a joke but they act like they're the only option. Use qimgv for your image viewer, it just werks.
>>108892271It can be made usable, but you have to do so many hacks, disable so many features and block so many connections, and then pray to god every time you boot it up it won't break. That said the hate it gets in relation to Win 10 is a bit strange considering it's 99% the same bullshit.Before I switched to Linux full time I had a pretty decent W11 setup for a while using simplewall, scoop and offline updates, but then it started crashing uncontrollably despite multiple re-installs and I just gave up. It has been a nice chance of pace of being able use an operating system again where you actually get excited for new features instead of terrified.
>>108897890I find it really insane that you believe people are getting paid to shill the most popular OS in the world on a chinese anime forum. With Brave shilling the meme at least makes sense since jeets want to farm their worthless crypto token.
>>108897934This. FOSS people act like all the proprietary companies are this comically evil, incompetent bunch that just want to make the life of their users a living hell. When in reality these companies aren't 1% as shitty as the worst of the FOSS world (still not great obviously). It blows my mind that I even have to think about a fucking image viewer in the first place. These might be the worst pieces of software I have ever used.The video player was also broken for years and couldn't play videos at all but that isn't a big bug of course. The new one at least plays them but crashes every single time when you close it. Also scrubbing through the videos looks like I am on LSD and it lags. Truly amazing.>Use qimgvI will take a look. I tried out almost every image viewer and everyone had some issue. So I settled for gThumb and live with the white border.
>>108892271The only tolerable one is pirating 11 iot ltsc. I'd rather deal with kde bugs than windows 11 home/pro
>>108892271If it's so fucking great, why does it enforce by default a shitty codec that makes my Bose QuietComfort II earbuds lag when Linux has that shit working perfectly right out the box.
it's the worst operating system I've ever used.
>>108892271not sure if retarded or just bait...
The fact they fucked up and made normies start to hate THE normie OS means that they really screwed up. Cattle aren't supposed to question the slop they eat.
>>108898970Windows ME was pretty bad, though
>>10889227111 is overhated just like 10 and 8.1 (kino btw and arguably more stable than 7) wereit's all performative attention-whoring, the soon-to-be trannies who announce they're soooo fed up with windows and that they're switching to troonix distro #423943482835 somehow lost the ability and intelligence to run the same exact fucking debloating tools/scripts they ran on windows 10 so again, it's all performative attention-whoring
>Games constantly overheat in Windows>Doesn't seem to be doing it in LinuxWhat conclusions can I come to from this?
>>108899260this is good THO. normalfags can fuck off to linux.
>>108899260Normalfags have been complaining about Windows since Windows 8. They'll never switch to Linux.
>>108892271>re-ACKed UIFor windows, it's not that bad.
>>108895604I struggle to believe that is what it purports to be. Surely this would have been reproduced by others and be a major scandal by now? Literally every government in the world would have banned their employees from using microsoft entirely, not just the french.
Personally, I think I'll just stick with Windows 7. :)
>>108892271What you probably meant was that Windows NT is overhated. It is. the core of Windows is OK - the problem is how much full of garbage, telemetry, useless crap you don't want and so on Windows 11 is full of.Windows 11 wouldn't be so bad if they allowed the same defaults as IoT LTSC or Enterprise LTSC editions on the standard Pro and Home editions if you chose so on a menu right after installing/taking the laptop out of your box.But since they don't let users a choice, Windows 11 is utter garbage.Hopefully K2 will make things better.T. user that only runs Windows 11 for gaming very occasionally. And for work because that's how dumbass companies work.
It's the final evolution of Windows, the fact that KDE is pretty much a Windows like and is on the most popular Linux consumer device (Steam Deck) and the default on most gaming distros means that people like Windows UI even if they hate the other add ons.Wayland still can't into PiP without extra configuration by the way.
>>108901967:(
>>108902030>Hopefully K2 will make things better.lollmao even
>>108892271Yeah, same corporation that ended support for their previous OS despite a massive part of their user land being on it and causing one of the biggest E waste events in recent history is being overhated. You must be fucking insane. The fact that it took Microslop 5 years to only make this shit worse is crazy to me. What do you mean I need Copilot in Notepad? Copilot in Paint? COPILOT EVERYWHERE!!!!
>>108892271>108892271Eats way more RAM that it should, 8.1 and 10 could neverK2 better be good
>>108894306I won't say it's manufactured but I do agree that we live in a world where there must be some outrage, Russia-Israel etcBack then it used to be Nvidia, I remember I was sad when I had my 970 and le gaming bros always told me that AMD is the king, however most of the world used Nvidia cardsWith Windows 11, I think there's genuine problems which is why Microsoft is rolling out the K2 update, however they do so because for the first time they see genuine threat in the Desktop market
>>108895409>It is not possible to completely remove all telemetry from any modern Windows OS using internal settings or scripts alone.>Windows is essentially a "black box" where certain telemetry pings are hardcoded to bypass local controls.>Microsoft has hardcoded specific domains (like windowsupdate.com) into the dnsapi.dll file. This allows Windows to bypass your system's hosts file and ignore your local DNS settings to ensure it can reach its own servers.you can do all of that via group policy even the ""hardcoded"" windowsupdate domain, you can specify your own (you can make it empty)>Even at the "Security" (Level 0) telemetry setting, Windows continues to send "essential" data to maintain system stability, security updates, and license verificationit does disable telemetry; but error reporting and windows update, licensing service are all seperate components>but they cannot remove the core networking instructions that trigger "phone home" behavior at the kernel levelno such thing just LLM filler buzzwords
>>108895604>>108895630>>108895697>>108901633there is no way it can crack RSA that easily and the decryptor program is not shared so this is impossible to reproduce. Not to mention passed "type SS" argument; assuming it stands for S creen S hot, why does it differ from a simple image? Why do you need to specify that? even if it stands for SmartSniff why does a raw packet need to be categorized like that? Further than that it's captured on port 53 which is reserved for DNS and at data size of 1014 bytes there is no fucking way it holds an entire screenshot
>>108895604>>108895697>>108903203 (me)original vid here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wZg6Rou4es
>>108902805It seems like Microsoft as a whole is pulling their head out of their asses as the top realizes the whole AI bet is crumbling and it's time to get back to actually working on your products instead of pumping the AI numbers for investors. When you have Nadella publicly admitting that AI is more costly than actually hiring developers, you know they're pulling the fuck out of that.
>>108892271No, you're just being contrarian. There are a number of problems in Windows 11 that should be non-negotiable in the first place. Microsoft is pissing on you and telling you it's rain.fpbp
>>108902185Pretty much this. Microslop is scared like a cornered animal flailing about, pulling stunts like these, now that M-series macs and the Neo are making a significant dent in both casual and professional consumer markets.Nice try Slopya Nutella, but a few years too late. Go drown in your copilot bullshit. I'm sure your shareholder circlejerk will be satisfied, while the actual users will be moving elsewhere.
Literally the only thing that makes 10 tolerable is the ltsc / iot version which makes it basically just a modern 711 either has nothing like this or is redundant, and all the new things are just women/dothead retardation - see increased telemetry, literal javascript ui, laggier in every conceivable aspect…
>>10890389411 also has ltsc / iot version tho
Debloating Windows 11 is simply less hassle than using Linux or older Windows versions.
>>108893733Bingo. It’s so weird to see people going all ”W11 is so bad, I want to abandon Windows” when they were perfectly content with W10. Meanwhile in reality, the only thing meaningfully worse in 11 than 10 is the forced account shit in installer, but all that pushiness with MS services etc. was already in 10.
>>108903978I actually had a forced Copilot reinstall and addition to taskbar on Windows 10 but not yet on Windows 11.
>>108903978Not a single motherfucker here seems to remember that for a good amount of time you could not just uninstall garbage like Cortana. It was only at the beginning of this decade that they decided to dial it down.
>>108892271UI is laggy shit
>>108903930explain how using Win 7 is a hassle in any significant way
>>108892271>guys it's not that bad it just has ebola and aids imbedded into it
>>108892283This. People rolled over and let 7 get ruined by updates so microjeet knew they were free to make 10 worse and then 11 even worse than that.
nah it's fucking trash and forever will be marked as garbage 11
it's bloatslop
>>108892271no it's not he right click is an abomination
>>108905001>first released in 2009>last updates were in 2020>modern software dropping support for it left and right>requires kernel patches to run software designed for 10/11vs>using an up to date supported OS that just worksBut I get it, Win7 holdouts became more delusional than Linuxfags by now.
>>108905676It’s genuinely boggling. While I would love to have a Windows version without any extra bullshit in vein of 7, in practice I’d rather use any modern Linux distro, W11 or MacOS, literally any modern option would be better.
>>108904998I can't believe how slow it is. I have a 9800X3D.
no W11 IS DOGSHIT GO FUCK YOURSELF OPFUCK YOU
>>108892271The main problem is that there is basically nothing to make it better than Windows 10. You have to go in and tweak stuff just to make it as functional as 10, so why bother upgrading at all?
>>108906422>You have to go in and tweak stuff just to make it as functional as 10? W11 has better support for modern hardware
It isn't a great experience to install W11 after years of using linux desu. It's just endless prompts for data collection and would you like to try our latest product. I can install KDE and it just werks without the endless nagging with a quarter of the effort.
>>108906700Try installing Win10 then, see if it's any better.
>>108892283This guy knows what is up.Windows has been progressively getting worse and worse, slower and slower, and it gets away with it by being basically the only option for PCs.
>>108895604>>108903203https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/49kzt1/comment/d0sx2h0/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_buttonfound a good explanation
It's always funny reading all the Windows 11 complaints while being an LTSC user where basically none of the issues people complain about exist. For me, Windows 11 has been pretty great honestly. Everything just werks.
