>Epic devs say games perform poorly because game devs don't know how to use it>EVERY single game made in it runs like shit>Implying there are no competent devs in the industry anymore (???)You cannot convince me this isn't a psyop to sell people expensive hardware they didn't need. Games looked good and performed well before this clown shitshowAlso, applying some suckdick shaders on top of the game doesn't make it prettier
>inb4 op is poorI just don't enjoy wasting money like some of you guys
just turn on dlss?
>>108892314Games weren't a trillion business with grifters trying to milk the cow in every possible way including the devs they pay
Doesn't Fortnite run on Unreal 5 and runs fine? So they must be at least partially telling the truth.
>>108892314Some games seem to run better than others but I don't think I've seen any game that doesn't suffer from the "UE5 look" if it uses fancy features like Lumen or whatever the fuck. Lighting is grainy and unstable, things smear when moving, the lighting effects slowly fade in and out as they "accumulate" or whatever the fuck over multiple frames and other crap like that.It's really an awful engine, I don't think I've played any UE5 game which actually impressed me.
>>108892351I think it runs fine on low settings where all the fancy features are turned off, no? I've never played it but that's the general impression I had.
>>108892314>Implying there are no competent devs in the industry anymore (???)This is closer to the situation than you might think. What's really going on is two different things:1) Employers don't want to pay more to hire experienced devs who know their shit2) There has been a HUGE cultural shift in game dev where all the devs think you no longer need to know the lower level details because the commercial engine will just do everything for you. Indie game "dev" internet noise is mostly to blame for this, but it's spread to the professional industry too because many professional developers are coming in from the indie scene and bringing those mediocre beliefs with them. We are witnessing the erosion of a comprehensive skill set in real time and nobody cares. The new cope is "well we'll just let AI know all the details and a human doesn't need to know how to do things anymore." Anti-intellectualism is festering in spheres where intellectualism is absolutely needed.
>>108892314You're right it's a double-bind. It's not that there are no competent devs, it's that the expectation that you ever can be competent in using an engine that you didn't design yourself is flawed on it's face because other people are in charge of the design there will be always some surprising aspect to it that you didn't expect or plan for.
>>108892314>every single gamenot true. Valorant & Fortnite run fine. And I've heard the newest Conan Exiles update does, too
>>108892314Not sure about games but I'm currently learning UE5 for 3D rendering, I want to make movies with it in the future. It's really nice how fast you can render high-quality animations in it without needing a big render farm.
>>108892314>Implying there are no competent devs in the industry anymoreYesCompetent devs aren't woking on UE
>>108892457Why not blender?
>>108892314how much do you have to spend for 4K 120Hz raytracing ultra settings?don't tell me a 5060 can't do 4K
epic's own UE5 games run like shite
>>108892314There are exceptions that prove this. Neverness to Everness runs like butter, even on my mid grade hardware.
>>108892387>Anti-intellectualism is festering in spheres where intellectualism is absolutely needed.trvth nvke
>>108892314>Implying there are no competent devs in the industry anymore (???)have you been following game news? Companies fire 1000s of people every month. Devs who's been in the industry for a while fuck off to regular tech companies or go flip burgers or literally do anything else than participate in current shitshow.So you get an industry where majority of skills don't get passed down to new generations and fresh hires have to learn shit from scratch.Add to it retarded deadlines, industry wide opinion (in tech too) that you don't need to optimize shit since hardware can run it anyway and you get dogshit performance, dogshit visuals and dogshit devs.Epic does not help either since they don't have an incentive to ship quality product. If you're a dev what you're gonna do? Write your own engine? Build your game in unity? lol lmao.
gaming is so fucking dead. for the price of a modern gaming PC you can get a Z4 or SL500
>>108892494I use Blender for modeling and it's really nice, I really like it. The biggest hurdle for me as someone who only has a single GPU in my computer is the rendering times.
>>108892829>I use Blender for modeling and it's really nice, I really like it. The biggest hurdle for me as someone who only has a single GPU in my computer is the rendering times.But UE5 is faster at rendering those scenes for you? You can just decrease the size or quality of your render or check playback in regular viewport or textured. I dunno if your goal is specifically to make a movie it seems crazy to me to do UE5. Flow was all Eevee.
I just don't buy UE5 games, they may get millions of sales but I'm not one of them. I think the last UE5 game I tried was a pirated copy of Silent Hill 2 remake and the average fps was high but it was so stuttery and it just felt awful so I've decided to not even waste my time with them. UE5 shills can say whatever cope they want but if it feels bad it feels bad sorry
>>108892689>Companies fire 1000s of people every monthnobody fired 1000 software engineersthey fired the dead weight for example Bolt fired their HR and Standard Chartered fired most of support rolesstop posting fake news.
>>108892873>I just don't buy UE5 gamesbut that's 99% of modern games
I bought Assetto Corsa Rally and it ran fine.
>>108892910its only really AAA slop, there's a billion other games out there to play you just need to not fall for hype. it gets easier to follow your convictions the more you do it
>>108892939what else is there to play? it's either AAA slop, middleware slop which just tries to mimic AAA slop, and indie crap.to play anything these days you need PC hardware the price of a fucking Z4. I really don't see how gaming as a hobby will be sustainable
>>108892945my basic zen3 rdna2 build can run any game at 60 fps. you can get a set of tires for the e89 for that much but definitely not the whole car unless you're buying a shell that burned to the ground.
>>108892314there is no 'industry' gayming pc builds are dead normine spoilt brats are priced out same for consoles other age groups only care about offline and retro ehar's left it freeware gatch and spyware and adware subscription multiplayer online only crap for zoomtards and pedos like fortnite. Gabe is gonna go broke.
>>108892945Play the indie crap or old games
>>108892314>Epic devs say games perform poorly because game devs don't know how to use itlol>>Implying there are no competent devs in the industry anymore (???)basically what you have is a combination of various pressures:>overreliance on middleware (unity, unreal etc.)>middleware is bloated as fuck>nobody really knows the internals. the days of having an in-house programmer(s) knowing every line of the engine source code are over>pressure to pump out products at a rapid rate>very little testing with different pc hardware configurations/video cards>add denuvo>game runs like assthe end>applying some suckdick shaders on top of the game doesn't make it prettierfacts
I think ue5 looks good.
UE5 is a catch-22. The only way to make it run well is to use it properly instead of taking shortcuts, but the main reason companies even want to use it is because of the shortcuts it gives them to shit games out faster.
>>108892351It runs a hell of a lot worse than when it ran on ue4, and takes an egregiously powerful GPU to hit 60fps at 1080p given how shit it looksWhen it released it was pretty much just pubg but ran well, but after they transitioned to ue5 I'm going to hazard a guess that pubg runs better
Only O3DE can save gaming
>>108893436have you considered setting it to high instead of ultra
>>108892314Why not just have the A.I. look at the stuttering code and fix it?
https://www.unrealengine.com/tech-blog/game-engines-and-shader-stuttering-unreal-engines-solution-to-the-problemThese overpaid retards can't ever fix their stuttering engine, version 5.7 atm and it is still shit
>>108893436>It runs a hell of a lot worse than when it ran on ue4That is a bold-faced lie. The game was only able to run at 30 FPS on modern day consoles. Now it runs fine even on mobile phones.
>>108892314>Implying there are no competent devs in the industry anymore (???)Competent devs use in-house engines.
How is the Source 2 engine doing it? It doesn't need that much power but still looks very very good
>>108893622here another shot with the Source 2 engine
>>108892314I believe it because Fortnite >>108892351 runs fine (for a 2026 game) and it's developed by Epic so they set their own standard.The real issue is that not all publishers/big studios invest in their own engine. With an inhouse game engine not only would they have a team on standby that knows everything about the engine and best way to do things but they can fundamentally change the engine if needed.General purpose game engines like Unreal are almost like entire operating systems.>psyop to sell more hardwareMore to sell support to developers and create interns with a sunk cost mentality. No shit it will use modern techniques for modern hardware. You don't need the latest and greatest but also don't expect things to run well on your PC build from 2016.
>>108892314>>EVERY single game made in it runs like shitValorant
>>108893630Looks like a game from 2016. >that waterlel
>>108893699>Looks like a game from 2016.the Source 2 engine came out in 2015 so you're not wrong but looking at Counter Strike it looks better than Fartnite
>>108893717it doesn't look better than fortnite I'm sorry, cs2 is an ugly game and it feels like poop
>>108893450It looks like absolute shite either way>>108893519>consolesIt's really not a lie, I played a match on my gtx 970 when it was new and all the rage, it ran just fine, fast forward to today and you'll not even get half the fps on the same card
>>108893696Doesn't really count since Valorant has barely above stick figure graphics so it can run on literal potatoes.
