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>>108895265
Should I set up Dynamic DNS in UniFi or NPM?
Also is Cloudflare alright or is there a more /g/-approved provider?

>>108895265
I installed nextcloud.
Now what?
I'm not interested in the file upload/sync feature since smb works fine for me.
What else can it be used for?

>>108895338
I'm in the same camp desu. Nextcloud's UI isn't very good and it was annoyibgbto set up, but now I'm wondering why use it over focused alternatives. I would use it with foid's icloud, but it seems like you can't really replace icloud as a lot of features people like wouldn't be integrated. Also read some reviews of people getting all their images raped out of existence, so I'm cautios to use it.

>>108895265
Why do you keep posting this fat girl?

>>108895357
I was originally planning to use it for calendar and contact syncing but the lack of proper integration with other apps makes it worthless

Does anyone use ubiquiti APs for Wi-Fi, and if so do you like them?

>>108895463
I have one and it's fine. My apartment's fairly small, so pretty much anything would be fine here.

>>108895463
>>108895560
Ubuqiti is especially based if you enjoy the slaughtering filthy khokhols.

Warning! Do not upgrade your Arc Pro B50 firmware. Intelaviv reduced the number of virtual GPUs from 12 to 2.
God damn kikes, now I have to roll back.

>>108895908
kek
classic judaism

I somehow expected DNS, DHCP and updating DNS with DHCP assignments to be a solved problem outside of Microsofd-based AD solutions but somehow it isn't.

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>>108895265
>get up this morning
>decide to go to symfonium
>empty library
>nigga what
>go to navidrome
>greeted with pic rel
>check for folder
>it's empty too
>rush to server
>it's gone
>not even exposed to anything but local ports
>just a single directory that's been gutted
>accessed only through symfonium/Navidrome

how the fuck does this even happen? god damn I think I'm cursed

>>108895974
I have no idea what you're talking about,
but have any of your disks dropped off ?
Try putting everything into read-only mode and investigate ?

>>108895991
I'm thinking its orphaned itself somehow. I'll let UFS do its thing before attempting to recover it.

>>108895265
i wouldn't stand these fat american legs irl
disgusting

>>108895338
I use it for my team to log in and upload files.

>>108895908
>Virtual GPUs
How does this work? Does that mean you could previously split it between 11 VMs + host, but now you can only do 1 VM + host?

>>108895363
>>108896125
>le fat
let's see your weight, your mum's weight, your girlfriend's weight, your current blood pressure, what you had for lunch, and your 1RM.

>>108896327
i didnt use it on the host, but i split it into 4 virtual GPUs of 4GB each
now I can only do 2 of 8GB each

>>108896383
>t. obese

>haven't updated opnsense in while
>after a reboot I'm on 25.7
>expecting more updates
>have to pick new dhcp service to transition to 26
>also affects dns
I assume the dnsmasq is the way to go, but this had me confused for a moment thinking I would have to put unbound into forwarding or something. But if dnsmasq is a stop-gap for eventually going with kea, should I maybe just set up that instead? However, does this complicate dhcp static mappings a lot?

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People where right in the beginning
This does look better the "correct" orientation.
Coolers are still too big to use all the RAM slots, like that it matters with 16gb is $80 now
This is the final solution for narrow ILM coolers, years after they where relevant for anything.

>>108895338
Since you don't want files, almost nothing.
It's super heavy and unoptimised as well. Junk software with good will and maybe some PR among the people who use it (or as I suspect, do not use it but think they might one day).

>>108896457
WTF
You know for sure it's not a bug?

>>108895265
do you really need that many pages to learn how to configure a router...

I have a HDD with some (104) bad sectors but it's only has 1716h of usage. It used to be an external HDD, maybe some sectors were damaged then?
Is it safe to use?

>>108896662
I switched to dnsmasq using homenetworkguy's guide without issue. Now to ensure the firewall rules and port forwarding goes smoothly. Luckily I don't have NAT reflection set on any port forwarding rules, so that shouldn't be an issue (saw some leddit thread on it).

>>108897407
Run it for a few days and see if the number changes.

>>108895974
Damn, glad I dont use Navidrone

>>108897745
Navidrome doesn't even recommend mounting your music directories in read-write mode. It shouldn't be modifying your music files.

What would be good for a home server for a self-sufficient safe house off the grid? Not insane prepper-bunker level, but house with a backup battery and solar panels just in case

Why does Jellyfin not support any sort of SSO?

>>108898851
Wait, so my plan to use an SSO different from Pangolin's built-in one is doomed from the start? Guess I'll just stick with bypass auth rules for specific IPs then... Definitely not trusting Jellyfin's login screen alone, lmao.

>>108898904
There used to be a plugin that would let you do it in the browser only but the author gave up on it recently.

>>108896692
you should be putting fans over hba and network cards, they do get uncomfortably hot.

>>108896692
whats the case

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>>108899129
Case has enough airflow surprisingly.
Heatsink temp on the HBA is 60C which is passable. Network card is cold to the touch

>>108899186
It was called a "chia jbod" in ebay, it's an extremely basic case with fan holes and 44 HDD slots (no hot swap)
IDK if you can buy it again

>>108898848
Are you asking about hardware? Software? What is your question?

>>108899293
Software, things to run or online backups to grab to help manage and make more comfortable a family home that can be reasonably assumed to have food, water, and electricity, but no internet, in case of an emergency. I'm already planning on adding Assistant or something similar to manage existing smart home devices and energy output, and Grocy to keep track of current stocks of the non-perishables, but I'm wondering if there's anything I'm missing. Hardware is going to be something cobbled together from spare mid-range computer parts

>https://www.theregister.com/security/2026/05/22/megalodon-chums-the-waters-in-55k-github-repo-poisonings/5245342
so I just don't auto-update anything rn?

>>108895974
do you run navidrome through docker? Music dir is mounted as read only volume there. If so, you got hacked nigga

>>108895459
Wdym? It syncs on Thunderbird and iOS calendars just fine

Do you expose your self hosted apps to the internet?
Seems very risky but lots of public networks block UDP punch holing so tailscale / zerotier don't work.

>>108900323
>Do you expose your self hosted apps to the internet?
No.

>>108900323
Some of them. Mostly team collaboration stuff like Gitlab and Nextcloud and a wiki.

Hmm, how much of a sin is this configuration with ECC UDIMMs?
2x8GB 1R 2666V Hynix
2x8GB 1R 2666V Samsung
Both kits are pair matched 2019 DOMs and I want to run it on Ryzen Pro.

>>108900494
Looks fine to me?
Just running with jedec speeds and timings?

Not all mobos advertise ecc support, so you might have to check that part.

>>108895338
One usecase I've found is creating file drops for family and friends.
My aunty wanted me to edit some videos together so I created a share folder and sent her the link. Process is very smooth.

>>108900511
>Just running with jedec speeds and timings?
dead stock jedec speed/timings. It's cheap for me to do this x4 setup, but I wondered if the technicality of 'less IMC stress' with 2x16GB was even consequential.
>Not all mobos advertise ecc support
yeah already made sure of that, pretty much only ASRock supports it properly.

I've had frigate setup and running for about a month now and I really like it. Currently only have two cameras but I'm planning on adding two more.
I would like better AI detections though. I have an Arc A380, what should my expectations be? I'd like it to differentiate different animals, recognise people and faces better and record licence plates better.
Eventually I want it to read my motorcycle licence plate, pass that on to home assistant which will then open my shed for me.
Does anyone here pay for frigate+ for the better models?

>>108900554
>IMC stress
In my wildly uninformed opinion IMC stress only matters if you're pushing clock speeds or cutting down timings.

Maybe if you'd been using one of those sodimms into dimm adapters which obviously increase the trace length, inductance, and capacitance might the IMC's ability to produce clean signal edges matter.

>>108900554
>ecc support
>ASRock
Gigabyte too.

>>108900612
>clock speeds or cutting down timings
In this case I'm more worried about differences in signalling over the topology due to the different ICs. Normally I'd care less, but obviously this application demands stability.
>sodimms into dimm adapters
wouldn't dream of it, all standard DIMMs
>Gigabyte too.
Yeah Gigabyte and Asus also have support, but it's more variable. MSI flat out doesn't support it anywhere. Overall ASRock seems to have more boards and granular ECC-related settings exposed than the former afaik.

>>108900647
>differences in signalling over the topology due to the different ICs
Practical experience is probably the best way to figure out whether this is a real concern or not.
Memtest86 it.
Try it and see over a longer term if you see any ecc errors.

For example: Leaving 2 out of your 4 slots blank means reflections.
And yet the system can obviously handle that.

I need to buy an HBA for my upcoming server build, but I've been procrastinating on it since I don't want to buy a fake but I also don't wanna overpay (e.g. import from the States).

>>108900867
hba is mostly a meme unless you've ran out of sata ports in the motherboard

>>108901049
I'm planning on six drives initially, maybe a seventh one soon after (I have a spare drive that I might use), and with the possibility to add more since I have at least eight HDD bays available without doing anything to my case. If I get a 5.25" backplane or a used HDD tray for my case, there'll be even more bays available.

Browsing PCPartPicker, there's not really an abundance of 6+/8+ SATA ports on motherboards. Not really that surprised, most people don't need that many. My gaming PC has zero in use.

Ok this is a really retarded question but why does networking matter? I understand why NAS's like Synology, Terramaster, Ugreen etc exist and understand that they all have different OS that fit different preferences or they DIY and use some server OS on older or dedicated machines they already own, I also understand why people prioritize various types of drives depending on the speed or amount of storage needed. However I am completely lost on why anything is needed other than the ISP provided hardware from a networking side. Does their ISP not give them firewall edit access or something? If you already have a wifi password and then there is another password to login to your NAS's files (this login can have 2fa as well) is that not already secure why do you need to split your network if you have multiple layers of security for the files already?

>>108901188
Lets say you want security cameras in your house. We'll be extremely conservative and just say 2 cameras.
>Your PC
>Server
>2 Cameras
You're already at 4 devices and I haven't mentioned backup server, gaming consoles, anyone else's PC. Unless your router from the ISP has 8 ethernet connections you will likely need a switch.

>>108901188
>why anything is needed other than the ISP provided hardware from a networking side
Here's part of an answer.
Writing generically; an ISP's objectives:
- cheap
- cut down on support calls
- support a minimal number of scenarios
- bare minimum needed to provide their service
- collect and sell your browsing history
- use a slice of local bandwidth to run a wifi access point for their wifi-roaming customers

>>108897159
yea

>>108901464
Switches are the one thing I do understand since it solves a simple problem of just needing more connections.
>>108901475
>support a minimal number of scenarios
In what scenarios would you need non-isp related hardware excluding switches.
>collect and sell your browsing history
Fair enough, I get why people would want this private but all the sites are encrypted it's not like they are seeing the content of what I'm browsing so I don't think I'd care.
>use a slice of local bandwidth to run a wifi access point for their wifi-roaming customers
Ahhhh ok. This makes a lot of sense, xfinity used to do this when I had them but I'm using verizon now and I haven't seen anything like that since.

>>108901188
>However I am completely lost on why anything is needed other than the ISP provided hardware from a networking side.
For the price that my ISP will sell me a router, I can buy a much better Unifi one instead. At least the latter one will have a Wireguard server built in.

What's the simplest backup strategy for my RAIDz2 array? I don't really think I need cold backups of my entire media library when the qbittorrent container can just redownload everything (personal rips would still be backed up), so I'd only keep cold backups of containers and archives of personal data. Is zfs sending ~4 TB to an external HDD every month and storing it at another place my best bet? I don't want to spend thousands when 2-disk redundancy is enough of a safe bet imo. All the important bi-weekly container backups are already stored both on my server and my desktop for host redundancy, so an external off-site backup would mean I'd have three copies total. Still a noob in the art of backups.

>>108899979
>>108897745
it was a strange, strange occurence. couldn't see what exactly happened, but the data was orphaned, and Navidrome/Docker had nothing to do with it. I've got it all back now but man that was fucking bizarre.
Think I'll use that harddrive I got yesterday for a much needed backup.
I wish things weren't so expensive these days

>>108902717
>I wish things weren't so expensive these days
Don't we all.

I'm on the hunt for some RAM and NVMe.

>>108901957
If you are into AI stuff then the Google AI Pro plan includes 5TB of Google Drive storage. You also get some money back in the form of Google Cloud Credits so the actual price is lower. Obviously this is not /hsg/ approved.

>>108895265
i want to build a home server soon, am I a retard for wanting to coreboot it?

>>108898851
>>108898904
Can't you use OIDC?

>>108903108
https://github.com/9p4/jellyfin-plugin-sso
Recently archived, will be broken soon if not already. Even when it worked it didn't work on TV clients, only the web UI.
https://features.jellyfin.org/posts/230/support-for-oidc-oauth-sso
"Planned" with no progress for nearly 7 years.
https://github.com/jellyfin/jellyfin-plugin-ldapauth
There is an official LDAP plugin at least.

>>108895908
Serious question is someone at Nvidia paying the Arc team to sabotage themselves? What the fuck is wrong with them.

>>108901957
Why would you be sending 4TB every month? The whole point of send and receive is that you can send only the differentials between snapshots. If in a given month you have 100GB of diffs, you send that. If the next month it's 300MB, you send that. If you're downloading/generating 4TB of data every month, you're probably in the realm of needing hundreds of TB of storage, which it doesn't sound like you are.

>>108903523
I see, but
>There is an official LDAP plugin at lea
Isn't that good enough then? I don't use SSO yet but I plan on setting it up, that's why I'm asking.

>>108904145
Not sure as I haven't decided how I want to set things up either. I use Pocket ID, and Jellyfin is the only service I want to run that doesn't just werk with OIDC/Pocket ID. Pocket ID can integrate with LLDAP but I'm not sure what value I'd get out of LDAP when I only need user/pass for one service anyway.

>>108902980
>If you are into AI stuff
I'm a snailcat and would prefer to stay away from Google. I was thinking about some deep archive service that AWS and BackBlaze offer to safe costs, but I'm afraid of the store now decrypt later schizophrenia. I was thinking about an external WD drive, but I'm not sure.
>>108903987
>Why would you be sending 4TB every month?
Sorry, I meant the offsite backup would total at around 4 TB with monthly incremental sends in the ballpark of ~10 GB.

>>108904386
>but I'm afraid of the store now decrypt later schizophrenia
If you're afraid of that any cloud based storage is out of the question, frankly most typical offsite storage is out of the question at that point.
That said if you decide to go with cloud shit REALLY compare costs because as far as I know BB doesn't charge for ingress/egress AWS most certainly does.

>>108895265
I'm gonna need sauce

>>108904743
me too

>>108904743
>>108905430
Elune Cosplay. She posts on her patreon.

>>108901693
I used to think like you, ISP router seemed just fine to me. 4 1Gbit LAN ports, never had problems with the WiFi, and it's included with the price where I live.
However, I've been wanting more privacy and started self hosting some things since everything is going to shit real fast and as soon as I read about DNS and resolvers I understood. My ISP router does not allow changing the DNS, I want to run pihole/unbound combo and I can't. Changing DNS IP should be a fucking non-issue.
And then I find out they're DNS blocking fucking Plex from people.
I'm going to have my own router soon and I can't even ditch my ISPs equipment, only set it on "bridge mode" because the modem is in the router. Fuckers must be spying every step of the way...

>>108900752
>Try it and see
So it seems... So it seems... I will report back my findings once I run validation

>>108903105
>am I a retard for wanting to coreboot it?
Probably
>why?
Because it's an exceedingly extreme threat profile to account for and Coreboot retains many proprietary blobs anyway, it's not a silver bullet.
Worry about your OS and network security or even getting experience configuring things first. For a client machine like a laptop that's mobile, there might be an argument for Coreboot I guess. Ultimately you're going to get pwned connecting to the internet way before a literal fed breaks into your place and evil maids your machines.

>>108903550
>is someone at Nvidia paying the Arc team to sabotage themselves?
The Arc team (hardware team at least) is actually great and has done great work. It's leadership that's abysmal and wants to turn Intel into backwater company that churns out NPU slop. All the work they got done was because of Gelsinger and not Lip-Bu Tan mind you.
Putting this praise aside, they probably needed one more gen and a continued push to develop broader software support. Sadly we won't see that given the market climate and Intel's position in it.

>>108906057
>Sadly we won't see that given the market climate and Intel's position in it.
Probably. Which sucks dick because I did consider Arc cards for two recent server upgrades (were still running on ancient 900 series GTX) but decided against it and I hate to say that was apparently the right decision.
Gimping vGPU on the gaming cards? Okay. Gimping vGPU on the pro series cards after launch with a fucking driver update? Why even fucking bother with Arc at this point?
I want them to succeed but they just keep making the worst decisions.

>>108906215
>I did consider Arc cards for two recent server upgrades
Even for the praise that I outlined, I don't exactly feel like being a free beta tester either lol.
>Gimping vGPU on the pro series cards after launch with a fucking driver update?
This doesn't surprise me, Intel has been fucking everyone in the ass for a while rugpulling a lot of NIC driver pages. Presumably to stop people flashing Intel's generic firmware to OEM cards to get SR-IOV and other features.
>I want them to succeed but they just keep making the worst decisions.
Yeah.. any good work from the hardware side (as I pointed out) gets completely nuked by the software and leadership side.

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>Connecting to my server through Mint's filesystem to just move some stuff over
>With the way this works, the server is basically seen as an external drive
>Earlier I was messing with external storage on Steam
>Suddenly these two wires cross and I get a random idea: Could I add my own server as external storage?
>Turns out I can, Steam seemingly has no issue with it
Is this something people actually do? It sounds horribly wretched and the load times must suck but I'm morbidly curious about it. Using my home server for vidya would be a nice bit of extra storage since I always seem to be low

>>108906057
thanks, if you indulge me there's another stupid idea I've had.
as of now I'm only really considering using it for storing media and backups, thinking of just direct connecting to the server through a nic and doing any seeding on my desktop itself.

>>108906969
>Is this something people actually do?
kind of, the most common scenario is to store in the server small games that load fast, like indies or emulators/roms, you could always split and decide which goes to the server and which stays

>>108899863
Top 3 repos hit are javascript UI elements and a dead repository for WIZnet with no existing CI (in all likelyhood just a public archive with no Actions-held secrets). The full list is a lot of hello-world tier projects. Keep in mind that each repo owner needed to compromise commit access for this to work.

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>tfw your gaymen PC with two 14TBs is home serving better than 99% of home servers.

>>108906969
Just use a 10GbE link, would work fine.

weird issue, curious if anyone else has encountered it
I have a truenas box running on my old i7-8700k system, 7x 18TB drives on a dell perc HBA flashed to passthrough mode
the mobo has an intel i219-V gigabit adapter built in, but the rest of my network is 2.5GbE, so I installed an i225-V PCIe adapter and it seemingly works fine, I can transfer files at ~285MB/s no problem, system is stable etc. (I initially tried a TP-Link 2.5GbE PCIe card but caused full-on system crashes in both truenas CORE and SCALE)
the issue I've noticed is, while watching anime, the framerate is sometimes inconsistent. it's particularly noticeable in slow panning shots, as if the video will pause for a frame or 3 and then skip ahead. MPC-HC (using MPC video renderer) reports 0 dropped frames, but the present time does drop from 4ms to 0 when it happens. If I rewind and play it back, it occasionally reoccurs, but often not. it seems to happen more often in low bitrate videos (like crunchyroll rips) rather than bluray remuxes.
I thought only the i226-V was bad thanks to OP, but some quick googling shows the i225 also has issues, though those seem to be full connection loss rather than whatever this is
my only guess is that it's dropping connection for an extremely short period, or mangling network packets and resending them without any other noticeable error
for now I've removed the PCIe adapter and switched back to the mobo i219 connection, waiting to see if the issue persists but it was really inconsistent before so it'll take a while before I'm confident it's gone
alternatively, is there any reliable 2.5GbE PCIe card? (particularly for truenas SCALE?)

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>>108907563
>Total Ratio: 8.651
I thought you said it was serving well.

>>108907809
Use madVR and turn off hardware decoding.
It's probably not a network error since running out of buffer should really result in more that a frame or two.

Anyone have the pic from a few threads back when that guy was recreating synology's raid with mdadm and btrfs and had like 10 drives with like 6 partitions on each one?

>>108907933
i would, but I have 2 problems with madVR: it only passes through HDR metadata if I manually enable HDR in windows before launching MPC, and while using HDR it renders subtitles at eye-searing 100% white, full brightness

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Are there any good aftermarket coolers or ways to improve cooling on optiplex mini pc's?
Im using optiplex 3000 mini for server and wanna make sure it doesnt go up in flames when ill be away for few weeks

>>108908587
the cooler mounting holes for the very small ones is mostly propietary so you cant fit some 115x cooler for example. your only choice is like capping the max cpu at 80% of its speed like 2ghz and it will never go past 60C even in the hot summer

>>108908587
>Im using optiplex 3000 mini for server and wanna make sure it doesnt go up in flames when ill be away for few weeks
If there's no one around, just point a desk fan at it.

>Use Ubiquiti they said
https://old.reddit.com/r/Ubiquiti/comments/1tnygst/super_admin_added_whilst_on_holiday/

Yikes.

is refurb hard drive worth doing? what with prices what they are now. i don't need a crazy amount of story maybe like 8tb or smth

>>108908780
>Update your UDM, UDM-Pro, UDM-SE, UDM-Pro-Max, EFG, UDW, UDR, UDR7, Express 7, UNVR, UNVR-Pro, UNVR-Instant, ENVR, UCG-Ultra, UCG-Max and UCG-Fiber to Version 5.1.12 or later.
How are people still getting hit by this? My router updated itself to 5.1.12 last Friday.

I yearn for my home server again, this time I'm having the retarded idea of a multi-gpu VDI infrastructure under a workstation/server where I can seamlessly switch from Linux to Windows from a laptop. I have currently a minipc as my main PC hooked up to a 5070.

What I'm thinking:
- Intel 270k plus
- 64 GB of Ram (I am not rich)
- MB with IOMMU support (I am trying to see which model does not break the bank)
- Intel B60 (for local LLM for agentic work) PCI 4.0X16
- 2TB SSD
- RTX 5070 PCIE 5.0x16

Create a Windows VM with 32 GB and maybe two 16GB vms for AI using nix (not necessarily NixOS)

Passthrough 5070 to Windows VM
Passthrough B60 to one of the linux VMs

Game on windows VM
AI shenanigans on 1 of the linux VMs

Use current MiniPC as all-purpose server put a lowend graphics card for transcoding maybe or a M.2 Bifurcation card, or add a high speed networking card.

I have a simple 2.5gb switch, with Apollo and Artemis I should get decent picture quality and frames right?

all VMs accesible from my laptop, even do some streaming either from the laptop or from one the VMs.

>>108908677
Thanks. I might just change thermal paste and put new cooler as i got it refurbished anyway.
>>108908777
I eas thinking of this. As Im building corner shelving unit for pc, das etc. thanks
>>108908885
I got 6tb wd red few months ago from ebay and havent had no issues. Check if sellers have done crystal i fo checks at least ans then do your own when it arrives

Wish I had the ability to read books. I pass out within 10 minutes of even trying. I'm 36

>>108909186
don't do shit in bed. bed is for sleeping.

>>108909157
>64 GB of Ram (I am not rich)
Well, you definitely won't be after you get 64 GB.

>>108900323
Why not just self-host a VPN like WireGuard and expose only that?

>>108906969
I assume it would be fine as long as it's 10GbE as you were told + make sure it's solid state storage, since a hard drive would bottleneck in games where heavy file I/O is used

>>108909197
this
i only read at work

>>108907809
>alternatively, is there any reliable 2.5GbE PCIe card? (particularly for truenas SCALE?)
I wish I could help you as I went through this myself few years ago and I had a list of good adapters which I dont have anymore, but I just said fuck it and upgraded to dual 10G sfp+ cards and was well worth it considering how much power rj45>1G cards are sucking for just being on.

>>108906969
Like the others have said you can use a 10gb link and get just as fast as local HDDs
You can actually get faster if you use an FS like ZFS or any other one with RAM and SSD caching.

At that point you can have an HDD array that you can pull 1GB/s+ and have automatic caching to faster storage. Depending on how big the cache is you will load a game from HDD initially but any other time afterwards it'll be sata SSD performance in load times.

>>108909157
Let us know how that works out

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>>108904386
>I'm afraid of the store now decrypt later schizophrenia
i know this feeling. the other autism that ruins my fun is the feeling that you shouldn't expose ports ever, not even for wireguard

>>108910387
>shouldn't expose ports ever
>only winning move is to not play
Ugh.

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>>108910387
Trust the pufferfish with da big ass lip to protect you

>>108910645
Oh yeah? My default share ratio setting just got 10 points higher.

>>108910754
i fell for the openwrt meme unfortunately

>>108910930
That makes us two. It's comfy.

mikrotik BTH is cool

does my poweredge really need 28 watts when it's turned off? what is this talmudic shit.