Luddites ?!?!
"consulting" was one of the most kiked-up industries
>>108895623>HURR DURR LUDDITEHow much did they pay you for this post, Shillstein?
>>108895623Accelerate the collapse.
>>108895623They're questioning the value because the human consultants are sending them AIslop
>>108895623LLMs or not, "management consulting" as always overpriced meme trash for women.
>>108895643>"consulting" was one of the most kiked-up industriesStill is, but you don't need a consultant for just consulting. You need them to share responsibility. I don't see an AI being held responsible for providing wrong advice. Not legally.
>>108895643Why?
>>1088957824pbp and /threadWasn't it also McKinsey et al. who said they're starting to use AI en masse and are increasing how many jobs they can take at once through this just the other day?
>>108895822its "people" getting paid for telling you to pay them and it will brings you money
>>108895623sorry buddy, party is over.look for the next trend/scam.
>>108895852does it mean they will hire juniors again?
>>108895911nope
>>108895911Eventually, but we'll have to wait a bit longer for thatThe thing with AI is that it's only cheaper than a junior because the companies are selling tokens at a massive loss in a race to capture as much of the market as possible. Eventually they'll have to start breaking even, investors have deep pockets and a lot of patience but neither is bottomless. To do that, token prices will have to be cranked up to several times of what they are now and at that point, a junior will be cheaper again.A more interesting effect however is that mediors and seniors don't just spawn out of thin air, they're made through experience. If you throttle the number of juniors for a significant stretch of time, even when hiring ramps up again, the throttling will likely manifest itself as a shortage of experienced technical staff. If you manage to make senior before that, you'll be eating good
The beautiful thing about GenAI is that it is going to kill so many parasite careers.
>>108896712It's currently 10-20x more expensive than a junior, and fucks up 100x harder.
>>108896727I'm not a fan of it, but it feels like it could already automate away many pure "paper pusher" positions, like HR
>>108896769It can't, and beside it never needed to. These positions are useless, they can be removed with or without genai. And they don't need replacing either.
>>108895801This. Consulting only exists to shift responsibility.>i didn't make this widely unpopular decision, the consulting firm told me to do it :DAI can replace this.>i didn't make this widely unpopular decision, the AI told me to do itWe already see this. All those mass layoffs being done while pointing at AI for the reason.
>>108896750>10-20x more expensive than a juniorI'm not super familiar with their enterprise pricing, is that for the whole company license?Because I feel like for the amount of work it does (irrespective of quality), it still has to be cheaper, no?
>>108895801>>108896845I've heard this argument before but I don't buy it.instead of being the guy who made an unpopular decision you will be the guy who got duped by consultants into making that unpopular decision.I don't see how that would be interpreted in your favor.
>>108896852Disregarding quality but taking into account the ability to actually complete a task, considerhttps://www.vantage.sh/blog/agentic-coding-costshttps://medium.com/agents-human-in-the-loop/the-real-cost-of-ai-coding-usage-limits-token-tax-and-the-future-of-software-development-a64db80bcc50https://fortune.com/2026/05/22/microsoft-ai-cost-problem-tokens-agents/Sadly it's extremely hard to track down non-ai-generated non-bait articles but there are data out there. In general, the only time it's comparable or cheaper than a human is when you expect below-intern level work on a principal engineer salary in the bay area at a top company. The problem is that 99.9999% of devs do not live in that world. They don't make 500k a year, they make more like 50k a year. You can't used fixed-priced subscriptions to actually do work, it's too limited for even very short runs. So you're stock with full priced usage-based api costs. That means people typically spend 10k+/month when not abusing this. When really abusing this, that can exceed 150-250k in a month. Just to successfully create the feature except very poorly. It's very expensive because you have to keep telling the thing it's wrong and it needs to try again and it goes into very very long loops for even small changes via automated self-directed testing.It's of course very much cheaper if you can one-shot a prompt. But you never can one-shot a prompt in practice in this use-case. Maybe in 20 years.>>108896941That's because of the dynamics of fiduciary duty. Nothing makes classical sense in business because virtually all incentives are misaligned at all levels.
>>108896727It's posts like these that make me realize that pro-AI people are really fucking stupid. AI can do anything you can. YOU are the parasite. You are funding your own replacement and genocide.
>>108896977As someone who doesn't use it (mostly because I'm cheap), it sounds like it would be quite useful for "trivial but time-consuming" stuff, like shitting out a simple front-end, while you code the actual business logic part manually
>>108897091Yes, that's what everyone assumed. But unfortunately they can't do even that much without next-level handholding, and the result is totally unmaintainable.
>>108895710Nothing, and that's why OP is the biggest faggot on earth
>>108895623These huge consulting firms were the biggest scammers of all time and they tried to make the scam even bigger by sending AI slop that they didn't even proofread to clients.
>>108895623>protestants create a system that prices themselves out, then complain that it's unfair that they don't make as money as they used to despite reduced costs of labor/toolinga tale as old as christianity. these retards seriously praise capitalism, make a big show about how cheap their goods are, and then shid anbd fard they're pants as soon as any buyer goes "well if it's so cheap to make i'm not gonna pay that much to buy it"
those companies were using AI lol, and fucking up tooLLMs are a meme
>>108896999> YOU are the parasite. You are funding your own replacement and genocide.No it's not. AI can't be a CEO that requires taking responsibility and judging employee morale.Just because your shitty art degree is worthless doesn't mean other humans are.
>>108895623The point of McKinsey was to launder controversial choices you were already planning to make. They were the bad guy you could point to in press releases to say that you simply had to close that factory or force people to train their replacements. AI has made them obsolete because you can point to AI as justification for unpopular management choices instead.
>>108899330>Unpopular manager choicesAny specific examples? You are being vague as fuck right now
>>108896941The prestige of the consulting firm makes it seem like the decision is operating within some higher order that plebs simply can't understand. That's why they're obsessed with "target schools." The brightest minds from MIT and Princeton said we need layoffs, sorry folks.Although with this in mind, AI does not have the general societal buy-in that consulting firms/Ivy League grads do. Boomers generally perceive Ai as an all-knowing science machine but young people generally hate and distrust it. But, then again, boomers have most of the money.
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>>108895822McKinsey-tier consulting is sort of a scam. It's hard to explain entirely because there are usually internal political angles but the long short of it is when an executive or board forget how to run their company so they hire McKinsey to tell them what to do. They send in a bunch of ivy league grads to do research and generate a bunch of spreadsheets and ultimately a report that says "you hired too many retards maybe you should fire some of them"
>>108899344>Any specific examples?"fire everyone and replace them with A1(sic)"
>>108895911The free and local models are probably still better than a junior unfortunately. I really don't see how people can think the industry will ever return to what it was.
>>108895623lol
