How do we stop China from decimating Western companies? The sanctions, tariffs etc. They've all failed. We need something harsher.
ok I have an idea: just make good products, and sell with good price.
>>108900921AI
>>108900929This. It's the same shit with motorcycles for example. I was in the market for a small cylinder ADV bike, and basically my options were:>CF Moto 450 MT: Chinese brand, gets all the mechanical and functional fundamentals right, cuts corners on small shit no one cares about like the tiny plastic buttons on the dash/handlebar. MSRP 6000 bucks>BMW/KTM/Kawasaki/Yamaha: All competent bikes but each comes with unexplainably retarded quirks like 180 degree crankshaft engines, or laughably low ground clearance for bikes that are supposed to handle off-road riding. Minimum 8000 bucks, loaded with a plethora of stupid electronic features no one asked for to justify their high price.You can imagine which of those is the most popular. It's a tale as old as time and applies to all industries desu. Well-established, dominant companies eventually get lazy, sneer at inferior upstarts, and eventually enter panic mode when said upstarts build up the experience and customer good-will to overtake them.
>>108900921Make a better productGoPro sucks
>>108900929You cannot do this because it's illegal to be competitive with slave labor.Either globalism turns your country into a work hellscape or it hollows out your economy because you have to compete with the work hellscape.
>>108900921>>108901069Saar India is the future and will beat China
by not reacting to, let alone reposting, low quality engagement bait from xitter
I don't want to stop progress, I want to accelerate it. Steal all the good ideas and merge them together and sell it to me at the cheapest price. And I put that on God.
>>108900921It's simple: remove almost all tariffs.China massively subsidizes their tech and manufacturing, so by allowing imports tariff-free, we would effectively bleed the Chinese government of money. Lower tariffs would also reduce manufacturing costs because factories need to import stuff.What would also help in the USA is deregulation so they can finally start to mine their massive deposits of rare earth materials.
>>108900921it's the free market baby
>>108900929Stop being antisemitic
>>108900986The A2 license has done more to ruin motorcycles for all time than the chinks or even emissions bullshit.
>>108901458If nothing else, it forced motorcycle brands to realize that 800+cc, 240kg behemoths are fucking stupid to ride dirt trails. This new trend of 450cc ADVs is a godsend.
>>108900921Maybe you should stop producing your product there at first? I know, this is an unimaginable thing for (((corporate))) brain that moved all production there 40 years ago to save a dime
>>108900921More Indians
>>108900921Why did Europe and its colonies give away all their industry and knowledge to China for free? Are they stupid?
>>108900921>The sanctions, tariffs etc. They've all failed.Real tariffs have never been tried
>>108901747>Why did Europe and its colonies give away all their industry and knowledge to China for free? Are they stupid?Patents only last so long, also you can't enforce patents when china copies your product and sells it in china, africa or south america.But gravest mistake was opening factories in china and move production over there. Not out of stupidity, out of greed. Simple as.
>>108900921>How do we stop China from decimating Western companies?You assume I have any equity in these megacorporations and that I'm physically capable of giving a shit about them. Cute.>The sanctions, tariffs etc. They've all failedImagine my shock when the burgerbrain cannot even imagine actually doing the capitalism thing and fucking competing by making a better product instead of just sabotaging and kneecapping their supposed rivals.
>>108900929Too much work for americans. Can you offer an alternative that involves no working, just payming money?
>>108901069>slave labor>chinatell me more about the fox news cinematic universe
>>108901069The solution is fully automated luxury communism. China will be the first country to reach this btw
>>108900929You mean shoehorning AI into everything, hiring 3 managers for every programmer and fucking up an AWS bill in the process isn't good business?1 in 3 tech businesses are like this, it's such a grift lol
>>108900921how about you push better product instead of fucking with competition you daft cunt?
>>108901874>996>not slaverypick one
why do gopros overheat and automatically shut off?the reviews were consistent about this issue and it scared me into buying a DJI osmo action instead.
>>108901943>996>not a practice that was only done by like 40 of the largest tech companies during the 2019 boom that the government made illegal over five years agoi was hoping the fox news cinematic universe would at least have talking points relevant to this decade lmao. let me guess, are you still larping like a good dog over a "uyghur genocide" and tibet being "occupied" as well??
>>108901167>China massively subsidizes their tech and manufacturing,Lol
>>108900921Nationalize the AI companies, force data center build regardless of lefty seething, to compromise create do nothing makework jobs for the lefties to "monitor" the data centers so they shut up, just like any other Keynesian program
>>108901788>pantents expirewhat does this have to do with US-Europe induced industrialization in china?
>>108901885>fully automated luxury16000 USD per capita
>>108901747>Why did Europe and its colonies give away all their industry and knowledge to China for free?It wasn't for free, it was part of the agreement that western capital made with China during their opening up. Western capital got to make record profits by exploiting cheaper Chinese labor in addition to gutting the political power of unions in their own countries (as they naturally disappeared with the domestic manufacturing jobs). China in exchange got to kick-start its own economy by openly demanding tech transfers from the west and learning everything there was to know about modern manufacturing processes straight from the source. This was the agreement from the start and anyone kvetching about "muh stolen intellectual property" is really just showing their historical illiteracy.Again, not asking you to like China, but that was the agreement from the start and how they even got China to "open up" at all.
DJI is a drone companythey got ahead because people want to use this type of device for drones
>>108902316https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GoPro_Karma#Design_and_development>GoPro first attempted to enter the drone market in February 2013 after Chinese drone manufacturer DJI released their GoPro-compatible Phantom quadcopter.>DJI CEO Frank Wang had approached GoPro CEO Nick Woodman about partnering to create a new drone, but talks fell through when Woodman wanted the new drone to be branded as a GoPro product.[1][2]
>>108900921I actually didn't even know anything about cameras and bought latest iPhone and latest GoPro. After one week both just overheated all the time, UI was shit etc. to the point that I returned both and bought old DJI Action 4 (because for some reason image quality is better than the now models) and used pixel. Then read about grapheneos and installed it. Nice bonus.
>>108900921Gopro charges high prices for worse quqlity than cheaper chinesium, no shit they’re failingInsta360 is straight up superior
>>108900921Should have accepted that Xiaomi offer
>>108900921AI is the future—GoPro should pivot: Allbirds shows the way; AI paves the path. Face it. AI won and anyone who has not already adopted is hopelessly behind.
>>108901788Truly smart companies have trade secrets, not patents.See YKK
>>108900929YOU SHUT YOUR ANTISEMITIC MOUTH!
>>108900929OVERHEATING AND RAPING YOUR SD CARDS ARE FEATURES, YOU CRYPTO-FASCIST
>>108900921Just stop manufacturing your products at a place where they are getting stolen and repackaged. Chinese have better logistics and they will alwyas beat you in terms of sales.All it takes is: STOP MANUFACTURING IN CHINA
>>108900921>how do we stop chinameanwhile
>>108906134>USA approves China to buy their chips>China says no>instead, China says ram like CXMT to USA insteadFunny how things turned out.
>>108900921it's over americuck
>>108900921India beats china
>>108901747Europe died 100 years ago.America gave it to china because the gold standard fell apart and they needed a wage state like china to produce things.
>>108905865Yeah just move it to India so they can have their turn to bleed the Beast. You'll just be a pay pig forever because of interest rates and hubris
>>108902784literally the blockbuster moment when netflix approached the blockbuster CEO trying to raise capital for internet streaming.
>>108900929NO NOT LIKE THAT, STOP! THAT LINE MUST GO UP
>>108900921>How do we stop China from decimating Western companies?why would you want that?>>108900929they can't because literally everything is made in china kek
'Western' companies don't produce anything anymore, I recently heard those tesla vehicles are 99% imported chinese parts, it's just rebrands and scams
>>108900921>innovate faster You mean be 90% cheaper due to currency manipulation?
>>108906134The US is broke and china is producing their own silicon now, the US has no future, I don't think anyone has the education or knowledge left to compete with tsmc or china over there Maybe lord chatpoopeepee will save them
>>108907343>why would you want that? [stopping China from decimating Western companies]Because given a choice between getting shafted by seedy western corpo slop, or getting shafted by cheap Chinko slop aping seedy western corpo slop just with less care, I'd rather not give the bug people the business. (The bugmen get the business anyway, since they'll make the cheap Chinko slop rip-offs, as well as the original western corpo shit too, because everything is manufactured in China)
>>108900921ban them and continue making crappy overpriced shit
>>108900921>how do we stop China?By importing infinity Indians, of course.
>>108901069>it's illegal to be competitive with slave laborNot for big companies apparently
>>108900921GoPros we're always at least $100 too expensive for what you got. Abuse of their market leadership is what did them in (just like everyone else that ignores the competition).
>>108908904>be glorious America>we need to help the USSR with the industrialization to make the enemy of the UK stronger>we need to help communist china with industrialization to make the enemy of the USSR stronger>we need to help India with industrialization to make the enemy of communistic China stronger
>>108900929fpbp
>>108901747Because dollars. America wants china to use dollars. Simple as. They got cocky and now they got pwned what they sow.
more subscription fees oughta do it
>>108903800I've used Insta360 X3 and I can say its video quality is more like upscaled 720 when compared to GoPro MAX video quality. For some reason X3's picture quality is quite good when shooting RAW. I don't know if they have managed to get better video in newer models like X4 ot X5.
>>108900929doesn't Ford vs Dodge make that literally illegal in the US?
>>108900921Hire and promote people based on skill and make them pass down their skills to new hires
>>108900929we kinda forgot how to manufacture quality goods when we shipped the industries overseas and told the veterans to go chew glass
>>108911727common misconception Ford was trying to take away revenue away from the shareholders that was explicitly awarded to them by contract. Ford vs Dodge is just stipulating that the owner can't get away from his contractual obligations by citing "company needs" as an excuse nothing stops you from kneecaping sharholders, as long as the contract is very explicit in you doing so. see the SpaceX IPO for a recent example
>>108907598>Because given a choice between getting shafted by seedy western corpo slopare you retarded or just pretending? you are getting shafted by greedy western corpos that sell stuff made in china.just cut the middlemen already, retards.
>>108900929The problem is that any company that wants to make a good product in the US will not be able to compete with Chinese prices because they don't need to follow the same health/safety standards nor do they need to pay livable wages / it's much lower over there. Plus they have huge economy of scale. This means the only way for US/Western countries to survive is by offering high quality products at a high price. Middle tier will get decimated once Chinese fakes reach a decent enough quality, and low tier will be even more raped by the Chinese.We handicapped our manufacturing to cope with the economy (we're massively inflated from the Biden/COVID era, and have been just going up and up in inflation for a very long time), so our economy is raped and we need to do something about it. Honestly, I support just cutting off China as much as possible, but it doesn't really matter when you flip-flop on it constantly and let big companies buy from China still. Regardless, it's a fucked situation and if you want to support your fellow countryman you need to pay up.
>>108905639>Truly smart companies have trade secrets, not patents.This. Or mcdonalds or coke.>>108901069>You cannot do this because it's illegal to be competitive with slave labor.Guess where gopros and 99% of tech manufacturing is... It doesn't cost more to make a gopro than a dji because of manufacturing.Gopro had lucky timing with early internet video and sporting being more popular, then proceeded to fuck it up:>Overpay CEO (highest paid in US)>Overhire>Competition comes in with $50 basic cameras>Stay overstaffed and make weird, still expensive, crappy products>DJI offers saving hand drone cooperation deal, declined>Quality competition comes in for better prices from DJI & insta360, with better 360/wide angle>Try to make a drone, fail spectacularly>Try to make their own video cloud & hire production studios, fail spectacularly
There is a certain board called "technology" which is 99 44/100% noodling around with software. Do you see the problem yet?
>>108911863>that was explicitly awarded to them by contract.Oh really? Can't find any source on that. In fact it seems it was special dividends.
