remember MacOS X "Cheetah" back in 2001 uncs?was it really that revolutioary?
>>108907843It wasn't but it was miles ahead of the dogshit that was Mac OS 9.2.2 in terms of performance and stability.
>>108907843I was 3 in 2001 but the Cheetah name makes it sound like it would have been a German WWII tank so I think it probably was pretty based
https://youtu.be/dHrVGk0WwYM?t=385If you didn't live through that era, I don't know if you can get a full sense of it.Though I don't think OSX really took off until it got Exposé and Quicklook. Much of the changes up to then were under the hood, and visually one would argue was just rearranging the interface and making it pretty.
>>108907843MacOS was never not a usability nightmare
>>108907843I was a Windows enjoyer when Cheetah came outMy first Mac that was my own as an adult ran 10.2, not 10.0 (Cheetah)>>108908204yeah, 10.3 was _way_ better than 10.2command-tab stopped being whatever the fuck it was and it moved to a stack like alt-tab on Windows
>>108907843Yes.Even today people cant get sound to work on Linux.
>>108907843I remember seeing it booting on my friends new laptop, it was slow as hell.
>>108910623Sound was never a trouble in BeOS, which is also POSIX based.But instead of getting bailed out by Microsoft, they got killed by Microsoft because they couldn't allow something so obvious superior to Windows to exist.
>>108908004This.>>108908315You probably game all day on nu-Windows, the biggest usability nightmare of the past two decades.
>>108910903It was even considered by apple as their new OS, before Jobs came back in and sold them NeXT.
I don't know. It was on my school computers, but we only used them to run this edutainment game that teaches you how to type with the keyboard covered so you can't see the keys. Actually, I realized I owe it entirely to that class the fact that I'm able to type fast without looking at the keyboard. I assumed everyone had to take that class as a kid, until I realized that most people at a keyboard hunt and peck.
>>108907843>>108908004>revolutionaryYes, but it didn’t really get good until 10.3. The prior versions, especially op picrel, were unstable, and most users relied at least a little on the classic environment layer/partition until 10.3. I’d say the ui was probably the most desirable thing about it upon launch, besides everything underneath moving away from the dog shit os 8-9 environment.
>>108907843>remember MacOS X "Cheetah" back in 2001 uncs?Yes, but I didn't use it personally. I used Macs in the 80s and at college in late 90s, but was otherwise a "windows with linux on the side" PC user (today it's 99% Linux, 1% Windows).>was it really that revolutioary?Yes but mostly within the Apple ecosystem itself. It was widely recognized as a major turning-point and a new direction for Apple Computers. Lots of people talked about it, even if few people were actually using it yet. The switch to the Unix-based system under the hood was a really big deal and the Aqua UI was very appealing. But it took a good 5 more years for Apple to really establish themselves as the "premium" laptop/electronics vendor for women and soidevs (Linux distros started trying to copy the Mac UI in the late 2000s).My impression also was that the Mac OS releases during this period (Cheetah, Puma, Panther etc) weren't as big a deal on their own. They were mostly treated like incremental updates and upgrades (even if Apple would market as if each one was a mind-blowing and groundbreaking achievement).
no one cared. absolutely no one used macos before ipods. in terms of marketshare it was where linux was 10 years ago
>>108911459> My impression also was that the Mac OS releases during this period (Cheetah, Puma, Panther etc) weren't as big a deal on their own. They were mostly treated like incremental updates and upgrades (even if Apple would market as if each one was a mind-blowing and groundbreaking achievement).No, the early versions were all pretty groundbreaking. The incremental update releases started happening after 2007. Leopard was the last truly big release.
>>108911241to be fair, as much as i love BeOS/Haiku, steve also sold them Steve Jobs, whereas Gassee was just not CEO material. He was native to Apple, and BeOS to me did feel more 'Mac OS' than early OS X, charming and friendly but very understatedly so while OS X was just too 'in your face' and it ran like ass on my G3 at the time. But without Jobs there'd have been no iPod and Apple would have died a computer company.
>>108912907Yeah I agree that it was a no go. I think Be boxes could have sold modestly well without Microsoft's sabotage and become a niche product.
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>>108907843Mac OS hasn't been revolutionary since the System 7 daysWhere Windows is built upon decades of legacy cruft for the sake of backwards compatibility, Mac OS is built entirely on the idea of rebuilding from scratch design decisions made decades ago for reasons that no longer make senseMac OS X was just yet another instance of massive changes under the hood. Usability wise it's the exact same as you're still drag-n-dropping to install apps and kernel extensions, creating symlinks everywhere, and having to deal with the batshit insane default mounting behaviour just like previous Mac OS versions. The biggest addition was minor compatibility with some existing *nix tools like CUPS and a proper command line.
>>108913076goodness gracious, that is a lot of serial ports.
>>108907843I was 17 years old. Yes, I remember. I installed it on my clamshell iBook G3. Like someone else said it was slow (but my machine was old). But it was extremely stable. In those days, software would randomly crash, systems would randomly hang, and you kept saving ever 2 minutes just in case such an event would happen. Not so with OS X. It took windows years to catch up. And since OS X was Unix, when I started university in 2004 I could ssh in remotely from my own OS X into the Solaris systems of my university, and run their Matlab and other software on my own iBook, over X. It really was great and that revolutionary. Thank you for reminding me, OP.
>>108911295I never took that class and I can type fast without looking at a keyboard, have been able to since I was a kidPeople are just weak-brained
>>108907843It was Unix with a Candy UI. Maybe not "revolutioary" but it did help Apple win back market share.
>>108910623been using tux for over 15 years, never had any audio issues in my life, nice bait
>>108907843Unfortunately, I bought a G3 iBook with like 128MB of RAM and I just remember it being slow as fuck. My first impressions weren’t great. A buddy of mine had a G3 Powermac with 2GB of ram and like double the clock speed and it was faster than XP.Laptops always suck
Here's your mouse. It only has one button.
>>108914333Idiots might confuse left from right. Just one button solves it. Another brillant idea from Steve!
>>108914342Apple mice have had one button since 1984 and that was the concern back then
>>108907843I didn't buy gay cds but I had this
>>108907843OSX was revolutionary as it was the first Unix that normal people can use for a price normal people can afford. (Before anyone says Apple is too expensive: iMac G3 500MHz: $1000. SGI O2 350MHz: $7500.) Sure, there was the option of Linux, but it was still rough and poorly supported. It took years of work to become a fully viable option as it is now.
>>108914333>>108914342One button is too much. Have a mouse with NO button!
No, they just finally took Mac OS into a modern age.The memory management was dogshit terrible prior to OS X, you had to tell programs how much memory to use.Guess over and it's wasted memory, under and your program crashes.If it doesn't crash already for a myriad of other reasons because holy shit that system had so many bolt ons to stay "modern" System 7's versioningnwasna fucking joke.Steve Jobs finally came in, said fuck it, brought on Next and Systems 8 and 9 were damage control with still the underlying issues in the architecture since the 80s.
>>108914584Mac OS 8 was also a way to end the licensed Mac clones.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macintosh_clone#Licensed_clones
>>108907843https://youtu.be/4Srtrfe0nP0It defined a generation of colorful and expressive GUI design aesthetics that still stands the test of time. And this is coming from someone who's only been a Windows user all his life.
>>108908315>>108914333>>108908419based>>108915391>It defined a generation of laggy superficial slop to appeal to normiefags over the peak utilitarian kino that was w9xcringe
>>108908031i kept thinking of a cheetah thong because at the time, i had a massive fetish for women wearing cheetah thongsstill do, actually.
>>108914485more like “almost _all_ button”
>>108915391>that still stands the test of timeosx and macos is, was, and always will be steaming heap of shit made for manchildrenyou literally have to have the mentality of a child to think this trash looks good, to say nothing of the abysmal anti-usability design of this trash toy OSbuttons should have a fixed position, alwaysthat's basic usability 101 taught for decadesjeets at crapple can't even understand basic level shit like this and they still don't understand itall they know how to do is appeal to brain dead normieniggers who think animations that lag down their already slow slop OS makes makes it fancy and futuristic
>>108907843I miss the original few UI's of OS X starting with Cheetah, disliked everything since Panther.
>>108907843Mac OS and Windows where always terrible.
>>108907843every OS is terrible
>>108915881dock zoom is from 10.0 and it’s not on by defaultand AFAICT the hit targets are still the same no matter how big the icons get zoomed to — they’re just bigger so if you have tiny icons and bad eyesight you can see what you’re about to click on
>>108914342He wasn't wrong, to this day boomers still have trouble with two button mice. Tell them to click and they'll ask "left or right?"
The actual architectural work was done with Mac OS X Server and Rhapsody.
I vaguely remember the pretty (for its time) UI, that's about it.>>108910623Haven't had any audio issues on Linux since my shitty little Chromebook with Ubuntu, 13 years and 3 laptops ago. Haven't really had many issues at all since ditching Ubuntu for Fedora, then moving to CachyOS a month ago.
