What will Linux desktops be like if X11 had remained actively maintained and Wayland never actually existed?
more keyloggers and fewer features
>>108908531we would have moon colonies by now
Bags of sand.
>>108908531Not much would have changed.X11 is already a complete working solution.
>>108908531What kind of retarded question is that? You have Xlibre.
>>108908531>What will Linux desktops be like if X11 had>will
>>108908531Xlibre is still actively maintained and Wayland is just the hobby project of a dozen trannies though?
>>108908602You can't get less features that Wayland (none)
>>108908531Exactly as they are today, if not better. Wayland solved nonexistent problems.
>>108909855>xscreensaver crashed>big tiddy porn session available for all to see>nonexistent problems
>>108908602>wayland>features
mir started as a replacement/alternative to x11 but canonical moved to wayland. without wayland, mir would be the main alternative.also, google is preparing some serious stuff about android on desktop. don't think that the future of linux desktop will necessary be wayland.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mir_(software)
>>108908531>What will Linux desktops be like if X11 had remained actively maintained and Wayland never actually existed?There is no way in hell they would accept the code base of Xorg so things would have changed regardless the reason behind Wayland was inevitable, it would have been marketed as X12.
>>108910173>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mir_(software)Yeah but just like upstart I don't think we would have stuck long with it.
>>108910131I have a HDR monitor. It's a VRR monitor as well. And my secondary monitor has a different refresh rate.
>>108909858>xscreensaverJamie, this isn't 2010 anymore.
>>108910295>I have a HDR monitor. It's a VRR monitor as well. And my secondary monitor has a different refresh rate.Xfags will tell you that all that stuff doesn't matter.Because they are likely still rocking a crt or an old LCD screen.
>>108908531Paradise and everything would be perfect. Wayland is the enemy of everything good and the cause of everything going wrong. That's what you wanted to hear, isn't it.
>>108910252What's so bad about the codebase of X11?
>>108910252Wayland is brain damage. It was not just a rejection of X11, they threw out the fundamentals of how every single windowing system ever has worked. Nobody else has ever done something so retarded.
>>108910324Documentation. But that is something AI can actually help solve.
>>108910324>What's so bad about the codebase of X11?I don't know but the fact that the developers behind Xorg put it in maintenance and recommend wayland is telling enough to me these are the experts that worked on it for years after XFree86 (or even during it).Also X11 doesn't have a codebase it is a protocol and the protocol design doesn't make any sense in the modern age it was designed for mainframes and terminals You would have your system in another room in a building form your screen. And hardware design has changed massively, it's de-synced form reality. All of the things that matter about X11 for Computers as we have today aren't even part of core X11 they are extensions. And some of the Extensions kind of suck like Xinerama as this creates limitation where each screen has to have the same refresh rates and wierd bugs as what it does is turn all the three screens into one massive virtual screen rather than proper multi monitor support
>>108910439>three screens*Multiple screens.
>>108910439>the fact that the developers behind Xorg put it in maintenance and recommend waylandCommon, yet misleading belief. The vast majority of X11 was written by people who are no longer maintainers. The rest of your post is based on this false axiom.
People would still be complaining about tearing and stuttering because that shit was never going to get fixed.
>>108910439Waylander spewing typical lies again...> the fact that the developers behind Xorg put it in maintenance and recommend wayland is telling enough toIt was maintainers that took over from IBM/Redhat, after SGI/HP/DEC/SUN/etc. stopped contributing. They hat nothing to do with the original developers.Then they literally came out and admitted that they want to "kill X11". Meaning X11 was so good it took a lot of effort and relentless marketing to make it go away.Wayland was created by a summer intern at Intel with no prior experience in graphics (and it shows). He had nothing to do with X11.> Also X11 doesn't have a codebase it is a protocol and the protocol design doesn't make any sense in the modern ageSince the introduction of DRI3 there is no different in the technical fundamentals to Wayland (zero copy buffer). > it was designed for mainframes and terminalsYes, it survived several generations of graphics hardware because it's simply that good.> All of the things that matter about X11 for Computers as we have today aren't even part of core X11 they are extensions. The same is true for Wayland. It is just way worse. There is a huge "protocol soup" of Wayland protocols that implements partly duplicated and incompatible functionality.When writing a Wayland client you always have to fight yourself through a maze of capability check spaghetti.It's *far* worse than X11 in that regard.> And some of the Extensions kind of suck like Xinerama as this creates limitation where each screen has to have the same refresh rates and wierd bugs as what it does is turn all the three screens into one massive virtual screen rather than proper multi monitor supportThere are patches for that.Besides wayland can't even take screenshots without vast amount of parallel infrastructure (dbus/portals/pipwire).I would say the average quality of Wayland extensions is way worse.
I still use x11. Wayland is still a buggy piece of shit. I use it on my htpc because I fell for the hdr meme which literally doesn't matter, just calibrating the tv better gave higher quality results in sdr than using hdr ever did. There is fuckall hdr content anyway and the fake hdr they use is dog fuck retarded ugly shit.There is still no way to do rdp on wayland. The only rdp servers available are either woefully broken or missing critical features like sound, and they require that the host device accepts access requests, making them useless in practice.X11 just werks.
>>108910316multimonitor setups are for a candy for ADHD brain and I think that it possibly might congribute to development of ADHD. It doesn't do anything for productivity an Alt+Tab can't do. And if you use something like dmenu/rofi/omnibar/command palletes in the programs you use then it just places what you need in front of you. Multi-monitor setups and multitasking are not only inefficient, but also contribute to focus decline, impatience, irritability. It's all overstimulation. If you really want to do something well try to focus on what you do and you will realise multitasking is a meme. We are not computers, the overhead for us is huge.
>>108908531What even is this question? Just look at any of the dozens of distributions that still ship X11 by default. There's literally no difference.
>>108908865ESL thread, anon, please understand.
>>108910714>immediately proving him rightClockwork
>>108910714Can wayland niggers please stop false flagging to make X11 users look bad, Fuck off. Adding a 2nd monitor was one of the best moves I did for my setup. It works fine X11.
using XFCE with XLibre on Arch. everything's great. no hypothetical required.
