Why did we stop using CRT monitors and TVs?
they use too much ENERGY and have too much LEAD in them
>>108915390i hate that boomers were right about people like you
>>108915403I don't know what that means, what did boomers say about ironic shitposters?
>>108915382reddit filename
>>108915390they are gay?
Because they take more materials and are heavy and bulky increasing transport cost. Eating into profits.They took more space in use.Once the factories that made them stopped it costs too much to tool up to build them.They also radiated your eyes.Working on a modern screen for hours does not hurt your eyes like a crt did. Being a foot away from a crt regularly was not good for your eyes. Some office workers even had tinted uv shields they would attach to the front.
>>108915382part of it that people forget to take into account is the late batches of crts were all "flat screen crts" which had really really low quality geometry and color uniformityit wasn't till viewsonic threw the new lcd tech at me to stop a constant string of crt returns that it wound up in my home
>>108915497>Working on a modern screen for hours does not hurt your eyes like a crt did.What hurt your eyes was the flicker and you fixed that by running the display at 85Hz or higher. If your boss won't buy you a display that runs higher than 60Hz at a usable resolution you get your optician to write a pissy note and they'll provide you a top end Iiyama pro to prevent lawsuits.>Being a foot away from a crt regularly was not good for your eyes. Why? Apart from the low frequency flicker that had a simple and obvious fix, any display has the same "problem" for your eyes, that is focusing on a single distance for extended periods of time stresses the muscles. This is true for LCD as well.>Some office workers even had tinted uv shields they would attach to the front.Office workers are dumb and will demand snake oil bullshit. This is not any different from complaining the WiFi gives you headaches or buying blue filter glasses instead of fixing the color temp. CRTs didn't put out UV. 1950s TV sets with failing shielding might have given you some X-ray exposure but that was never an issue with your PC CRT.
They were noisy
Because CRTs are obsolete junk. I say this as someone who owns top of the line CRTs, I know what the best of the best look like. Plasmas superseded them in every way. But plasmas are now too obsolete. SED/FED was the future of micro vacuum electronics impulse displays. CRTs are fundamentally a flawed technology, as geometry, convergence, linearity and focus issues are inevitable, and can't be corrected for perfectly. This also limits the resolvability of resolutions over 1000p, despite dot pitch being finer than that. OLEDs have superseded CRTs in every metric bar response time.
>>108915382They're 80lb low-res shit.
>>108915382Because they're ass and the world moved on.
>>108915382Because the image quality is shit and I hate motion blur and grayish "blacks" that CRTs always have.
>>108915382Caused headaches after 3-4 hours of work
>>108916714>I hate motion bluryou mean the one thing CRTs are universally better at than any other form of display technology?
>>108915382Expensive, bulky, heavy, unless top models bad focus, bad colors... I'm gen-x and I don't miss them.
>>108915382Because evil always prevails over good.
>>108915382They were too expensive to make, they were only affordable because of the production volume, so as soon as LCD screens became commercially viable, everyone moved away from CRT manufacturing, even if LCD image quality was vastly inferior to that of CRT's during the transition period in the 2000's. Even now we're still bridging the gap between LCD's and CRT's with technologies like G-SYNC Pulsar being developed to finally replicate the way CRT's worked that gave us that sharp image. Took us long enough but we're almost there.
>>108916978>even if LCD image quality was vastly inferior to that of CRT's during the transition period in the 2000'snaaah, had relatively nice Eizo 17" crt back in the day, replaced it with cheap iiyama 15" lcd and was instantly blown off with how crisp and sharp lcd image was.
>>108915855>>108916942>"too heavy">t.
>>108915382Because they sucked balls. I'm glad they're gone.
>>108916877I used most expensive studio CRTs in the 90s and I will never use that low quality flickering shit ever again. Only zoomers born after 1990 fetishizes that trash.
>>108916996This was my experience too. My first LCD monitor looked so much sharper and brighter than anything my CRTs could do. I couldn't go back.
>>108915382>Why did we stop using CRT monitors and TVs?Because LCD became good enough for most uses. I was a CRT holdout until the 20" 1600x1200 LCDs hit the market. This was the "holy grail" CRT resolution, and LCDs just did it better. Yeah yeah IPS blacks, no one gave a shit.The only place CRT still reigns superior are vector displays, but you young people probably don't even know what that means, so nevermind.
>>108916877kys ufo spamming faggot
LCDs and LEDs were cheaper to make and ship, nothing else. CRT is still superior than non-oleds
>>108917139I look like this and say this
>>108915848>OLEDs have superseded CRTs in every metric bar response timeOLEDs are inherently inferior for motion performance due to their nature as a sample and hold display, and your little LARP as someone who knows what they're talking about falls apart at you not knowing that.>muh BFIOLEDs do not get bright enough to make BFI usable.
>>108917139good artist but (You) should try moving a 36" living room CRT yourselfthey could easily weight hundreds of pounds
>>108917980hey
>>10891803529 inch is the sweet spot
>>108916975its this, the technology you use must be as demoralizing as possible
>>108915382logistics
>>108915382obsolete
>>108916978> They were too expensive to makeThey used to sell 14 inch tvs for £50 and 19inch for £99. How is that too expensive?
>>108919108economy of scale
>>108915382mine exploded
>>108915382>Why did we stop using CRT monitors and TVs?I switched back in the day because LCDs looked sharper, without geometrical distortion, brighter, easier on the eyes due to the non-refresh technology, not to mention they felt larger despite having the same or lower size (both because of the 5:4 format and because CRT displays always had a lower "effective" display size than advertised). Of course they weighted much less and freed so much space on my desktop.I never regretted switching, although I never had a high-end CRT.
>>108915382I didn't stop using them. Why did you?
>>108919847>I never had a high-end CRTmost didn't. all the bad ones are dead. all the some what good ones are still here.
>>108915382Signal is not digital.They're heavy.They're, in general shit, outside of a bunch of cherry-picked examples /g/ baby ducks want you to believe.
The making of the CRT tubes required too many processes compared to panel displays. CRT tubes required the heavy glass tubes filled with gas along with the aperture masks and the cathode ray guns which all had to be calibrated after assembly. There was a factory in my town that made the masks, after they went bankrupt an Indian company bought the factory and within one year that new company dumped and abandoned enough toxic chemicals to have the area designated as a contaminated site. The Indian company refused to take responsibility for it so the county foreclosed on the property. AFAIK the property still needs cleaning up.https://response.epa.gov/site/site_profile.aspx?site_id=3213
>>108915382Because they gave me a fucking headache.Only the expensive as shit ones were any good, no one had one.Moving is a pain in the ass with them, that's an entire heavy box by itself. Now imagine five of them, vs flatscreens.Watching 240p torrents looked crisp thoughbeit.
>>108919913What OS do you use?
>>108920079A better one than you!
>>108919108What >>108919115 said, there was no other option so we kept manufacturing the more costly CRT's, but because we were making so much of them they ended up being "cheap". Then the manufacturers finally had an alternative that was less costly to manufacture so CRT's were quickly ditched.If you tried doing a small-scale production of two screens, one LCD and one CRT, the CRT one would be so expensive to produce you wouldn't bother. They were too complex in their manufacturing to be worth it today. OLED's suffer from a similar issue where they need a vacuum to be made, so the price is high, but it's been falling in the recent years due to the economy of scale.
>>108915382less profitable to produce and distribute than cheap-ass LCD panelsscreen peddlers successfully sold arguments like weight or bulkiness, which primarily affect producers and distributors way more than end users - meanwhile, no one ever criticizes LCDs being easy to topple over due to light weight and lack of stability from their flatness, or how large screens also generally need two people to handle them safely when moving>but LCDs got better with timeCRTs would also improve if production continued>but bad geometrySED/FED would have solved that issue>but headaches/eyestrain when using for long periodsit was ironically healthier because it forced you to take breaks, compared to eyes being glued to an LCD screen for 10+ hours with no breaks>but bad picture qualityagain, if CRTs had continued to be produced, the quality would certainly improve. for example, TVs getting better tubes to get at least as good quality as PC monitors>but interference due to analog signalLCDs around the time CRTs still were available were also analog and also suffered from interferenceno reason a CRT couldn't have an internal DAC and use digital cables like DVI or HDMI and avoid signal quality issues
threadly reminder that the op of this thread is a mentally degraded schizo who ritually creates this same crt thread a few times every month and samefags as both crt fans and detractors to make this thread look alive when in fact literally no one is interested in his dogshit (look up crt threads on archives and you will see identical images, replies, and similar reply chains to this one that repeat endlessly)total crtnigger death
>>108920811CRT threads these days are just shitposting in generalNobody really cares, those who do talk about them elsewhere and use this to just shitpost and bait too
>>108919987>Watching 240p torrents looked crisp thoughbeit.This is the best part of CRTs and I have no idea why it cannot be replicated on hi-dpi displays. Low res stuff looked clear as day meanwhile on my 27" 4K monitor anything from like 2007 and earlier looks like utter shit.
>>108920811>mentally degraded schizo who ritually creates this same crt thread a few times every monthThat's not really a schizo by 4chan standards
>>108920823>>108920846shove your hand into the crt fag
>>108919987>>108920829>240p video
>>108920866True, not even movie torrents were 240p, it was mostly just internet videos that were 320x240. Even shittiest movies or series were 480p.
>>108920888That was my point. Yes.
>>108920888i miss those 240p webcam sluts
>>108920969I miss jerking off with random girls on MSN, Skype and Omegle.
>>108920995they did it for the love of the game not just the fame or money, it was another time
>>108921032Yep, truly.
>>108920441I don't believe you
>>108918035>they could easily weight hundreds of poundsMy dad bought one like 15 years ago, it's still sitting in the living room and hasn't been used in like 8 years because it's so fucking heavy no one wants to move it. I remember helping him get it out of the bed of his truck, I nearly died. The fucking thing weighs probably 2.5x what I do.
>>108915681>get your optician to write a pissy note Careful. CRT phosphors have persistance which eliminates the flicker problem. Complain an end up with a 30 year old box on your desk.
>>108917139Nigger, I was carrying CRT monitors back and forth from LAN parties twice a month when your daddy was still in elementary school.
>>108918000I know about sample and hold versus strobe. You are assuming about me. I appreciate CRTs ,but they have been obsolete since OLED monitors developed 5 years back. Indeed, CRT motion clarity comes from their strobed scans. Despite this, OLEDs nowadays offer nearly comparable motion clairty. OLEDs have faster green pixel responses times by 3 orders of magnitude, but CRTs are far faster for red and blue decay, about 2 orders. The future is in strobed displays similar to FEDs / SEDs / plasmas.
>>108915382Because I can afford a LG C4 42" but not a Sony FW-9000. Even if I could I'm not sure it would be worth it for everyday use outside of a sick mid-2000's gaming build and consoles from that period, but I have CRTs for that already.
>>108922338>9000900*
>>108915382why would companies sell heavy piece of shit monitors when the alternatives were much lighter?why would PEOPLE use inferior tech that potentially irrradiated them, gave them dry eyes and other similar health issues, could electrocute anyone who tries to DIY fix them and so on?I think I've seen this question being posted like 10 times already. are zoomers retarded? is this a botted ragebait post to make this board more active?
>>108915382CRT is woke
>>108915848I like how I can read your post and know you're a complete fucking moron because SED/FED are just bad Plasma.
>use your tv/monitor for more than one hour>permanently fuck up your screensure am liking this "objectively better" future technology
>>108922443it's a completely different technology wut
>>108922453things break yes
>>108922454Same shit achieved with a different method.
>>108922457I guess...Come to think of it I never really saw a plasma TV but i fucking hated LCD back in the day
>>108922475You missed out.
>>108915382Faggy environmentalists and liberals.
>>108915390A myth invented by corporation a washing maching cost more energy.
>>108922495nah, you could FEEL it
>>108920702Crt and incandescent light could have improve and better then led but Environmentalist fags ruin everything.
>>108922406That Just bullshit tv of 90 where better then the lcd screen.
>Yet another day in "LCD motion persistence" and "no perfect resolution scaling" Hell>Know even OLEDs won't resolve it due to being Sample-and-Hold technology, and would need constant very high frame rates too>Can't find good monitors on any local peer buy/sell site after looking for weeks and weeks>Aware that even if I get a CRT monitor, most are going to be very small in a modern context, with most being just 17" and only a little larger if I'm lucky enough to find the appropriate listing.>Most in notable disrepair and fucked up despite flippers asking ridiculous prices>Plus maybe not giving off the right appearance for console game experiences (intended for TVs)It's over, anons...I can't win. Every single display type has major flaws, and even if I want to try a CRT, there are just fucking none I can find locally without it being some batshit flipper or some half-broken thing. I keep looking every fucking day to no result. Why couldn't we just have had SEDs or FEDs? Why did patent trolling, fucked up financial crises, cheapshit LCD manufacturing, and starting costs have to ruin the future of display technology? Feels bad.
>>108915382Too fat
>>108915382Because it harmed your eyes
>>108915382why do people make a display their personality?
Can't handle the flicker anymore, didn't notice it back in the day, but probably got too used to actually good screens (lcd and oled), any time I use a crt now my eyes are bleeding
>>108922443What are your metrics for comparison for SEDs/FEDs? Your imagination?Plasmas are far better than CRTs for high quality input video. This is nothing to be upset over. It is a fact, based on metrics. Other than the yellow fringing in white on black / super high contrast motion sometimes observed.
>>108915382>Why did we stop using CRT monitors and TVs?We did?
>>108922615>most are going to be very small in a modern context, with most being just 17"If you can still get a cheap 15-17" CRT, go for it. It's better than nothing>Plus maybe not giving off the right appearance for console game experiencesCRU at 2560x480 or 1920x480 with an interlacing shader looks similar enough to a PVM or a sharp TV IMO. Obviously the shadow mask does look different up close, but it's barely noticeable
>>108923796you can also do 240p superresolution with BFIeven a average VGA CRT is going to look way sharper than even the average PVM yet alone TV tho
>>108915382people got tired of lifting them
>>108923796>If you can still get a cheap 15-17" CRT, go for it. It's better than nothingBeen trying. Availability is just atrocious on every local market I try. Even when I found something possibly okay, the seller fucked off and didn't respond. Everything else is either significantly damaged or genuinely really bad. Few or no thrift stores nearby (already low chances). I even tried looking into e-cyclers and estate sales, but it's drier than a faded crack in a desert rock.
I remember when thrift stores rejected CRT tv's and monitors just like used mattresses. Now when they get them in they want over $100 for them. Greedy fucks.
>>108921209Even high end 17" crt monitor is close to 20 kilos. Mine sagged whole desk.crt tv's are just demonic, bigger ones are bitch to move even as two man job.
>>108924285What market is local for you?
>>108924358And I was there, Gandalf. Hoarding 138kHz 22" CRTs in masse.
>>108924476By that, I mean listings on OfferUp, FB Marketplace, Craigslist, and so on. There aren't many physical (thrift) stores that'd fit the bill, and anything like a flea market is even less available near me (plus I doubt they'd want to lug a bunch of heavy CRTs each weekend or whatever anyway). I'm doing a little asking around; probably the best chance I have, even if slim.
>>108924532Like your general wider location?
>>108924532>OfferUpNvm I'm blind, US obviously. Yeah you're fucked I guess. Don't give up hope tho!
>>108915382They were heavy and used too much space. They had good aesthetic. I wish a good quality 4:3 ips that looks retro.
>CRT's weight (((le))) too muchso fucking what? you aren't moving your tv around every fucking week regardless
>>108915382Here’s what I find hilarious.I grew up with CRTs and they emit the same coil whine that you zoom zooms complain about in PC. To this very day I could walk into a room or building with CRTs and FEEL them without even seeing them. Same with fluorescent and neon lights. Real neon and fluorescent. Not the faux version made of LED
>>108921890> The future is in strobed displaysManufacturers are allergic to consumer choice. They could make a CRT like strobed OLED right now, but they don't want to, and never will.
>>108924760> and FEEL them without even seeing themTo feel the hand of god, warming your soul. Everything had gone to shit since CRTs left this forsaken world. We live in an unimaginable hell, a hell that developed as the last CRTs disappeared plunging the world into eternal darkness.
>>108921182Well you best start having faith.
>>108915382>whyprofit maxing companies>howdumbing down mankind into believing anything they want.>eye soreif you keep it at 60hz like some drooling idiot.the motionblur on lcd can be fare more exhausting. keep blinking while you scroll to make the pain go away...>noisethis only happend to 15khz versions, no normal crt had this issuemost crt haters never used them, are trolls, or need to see an eye doctor.
>>108919913>/g/ baby ducksThis nigger again.You will never be a woman.
>>108924760CRT monitors don't whine
>>108927106their users do usually.
>>108925126Hardware strobing in (PH) OLEDs would be optimal. Have a capacitor be charged during retrace, it then discharges across the cathode and anode of the OLED perhaps. Strobing could be just a simple RC circuit. I do know the driving of OLEDs is quite complicated, non-linear nature. It would be hard an inefficient design, but best motion clairty, to design an active matrix with per pixel RC circuit decay /charging. I don't see point in the Hz wars at the moment, when strobing at 60Hz would beat 500Hz sample and hold. Development should be focused on strobed drive implementations.
>>108929213I have actually talked about this concept before. It should actually be pretty simple. As I understand it, each pixel has a capacitor which holds the pixel value. Just put a resistor across that capacitor, and then the display will behave pretty much exactly like a CRT. Of course the downside is greatly reduced brightness. But OLEDs is so absurdly bright now compared to CRTs, I think they might be enough margin to make it work. Manufacturers would never actually build such a display though even if the numbers work out.
>>108915382Homosexuals were encouraged to come out of the closet by society so demand for crts tapered off.
My grandpa bought a new 40in Sony tube hdtv and we had to roll it into his house on pvc pipes. Insanely heavy.
>>108915382the fact is that no one remembers howit's a lost art like illuminated manuscripts
>>108917980heyyy ;)
>>108927106Subharmonics. I'm in my late 30's and I can tell when a CRT monitor is on close by.
soi boys and indians can't lift them
>>108918186>>108929569is for horses
I would like to start by apologizing to all the CRT users that have horror stories that involve lcdfags, stories that I never believed. Because today I met my first lcdfag. I was in lecture when the usual guy that sat next to me was either absent or this asshole decided to just take his seat. That's fine I'm cool with it. Half an hour in we started typing, me on my typical 19" CRT and him on a puny little LCD laptop. That thing barely even extended to my own desk. I didn't give a fuck because my CRT was 19" so I had room. Then this idiot started to do some weird shit with his screen, minimizing and enlarging it. I don't know what he did because I'm a noob at LCDs but it showed like 5-6 screen at one time. Well he was doing this constantly which forced him to miss alot of the notes. So he had to look over to my CRT to read some of the notes he missed because he was fucking around with his LCD screen. This guy was starting to piss me off. Then he whispered to me, "Your CRT screen is so easy to read it's so crystal-clear." In which I promptly reply, "Maybe if spend the time copying the notes instead of fucking around with your LCD screen then you wouldn't have to copy off me.." He was silent for a while then came back with, "I didn't know you were going to be an asshole about it." I stayed silent then he moved seats because I was about to knock both him and his shitty LCD laptop on the floor. He said, "I'm moving seats," I told him Good GTFO out of here. I was ready to get in a fight with this fucker. It's not because he owned an LCD but the way he acted while COPYING the notes I take because he was too busy e-cock sucking his tiny monitor.
my unc gave me this old sony crt but it has this "scratch" on the tube. it's barely perceptible with a finger nail so im thinking it's some kind of damage to a coating on the tube? does anyone know if this is repairable or should i just toss it? it's a sony kv13tr20
>>108915382They weigh a ton. Some CRT TV's, mainly those giant Sony Trinitrons weigh from 160 to 300 pounds. The way that these televisions worked (cathode ray tube displaying a picture which had tons of lead and stuff in it) meant that it could not scale to higher definition resolutions.
>>108930397puff it out with glass polish
>>108930442buff* I'm drunk
>>108930442oh i guess ill give that a try. thank you my little tulip
>>108915382They're shit, that's why. This board is full of dumbass zooms who nostalgia post about tech that died out before they were hatched. It was shitty technology then, it's shitty technology now, and it'll be shitty technology tomorrow... Just like your future.
>>108930474How come I'm 38 and I never stopped using CRTs in the first place?
>>108930765yes, you're retarted
>>108929714None of my monitors do that and I can still hear 18kHz and notice sounds others usually don't.
>>108929714i call this my cyber human abilityi can detect if a CRT monitor is on even if it ain't showing nothing
>>108915382Instant cancer.
>>108918035Negroid, i used to have a 40" Mitsubishi CRT. When it finally died and i couldn't find anyone to repair it anymore i hauled it outside and to the curb for recycling by myself.Some people in a jetta wagon decided to take it instead and it took four of them to wedge it in the hatch opening (it obviously wouldn't fit inside).
>>108917980How's it like going through life submissive and breedable?
>Another day of hunting around and "tfw no CRT monitor">Look at Facebook boomer group for CRTs to see what kind of shit they've got>Some chill random TVs, big, small, round, rectangular, and-->THIS SHITThis motherfucker has THREE Sun GDM monitors. Look at this shit. Local listings are a fucking joke here too. God damn it.
>>108931296What if I already have cancer? Will it heal me?
>>108931941cancer on your cancer = cancer2
>>108931736>muh max resObviously a retard, nobody cares about max res, tell us the pitch and max horizontal frequency and if vertical is unlocked.
>>108931947Max res with refresh rate lets you work out the horizontal frequency (kHz), which is the most important spec as it correlates with everything else.Also you can safely assume any flat Trinitron is uniform .24mm unless it's a GDM-F520/FW900. >and if vertical is unlocked.It's a Trinitron you can just overwrite the limits with DAS software.
>>108931947https://crtdatabase.com/crts/sun-microsystems/sun-microsystems-gdm-5410For what it's worth, it is a Facebook boomer group after all. Surprisingly huge.
>>108915382because corporations decided that what the customer wants is only flat screen tvs. the customer was not consulted by the way
>>108918688I played sly cooper on this.Good times.
>>108926071You have no arguments, nor supplied any. KEK!
>>108931346its not as sexy as you think of the people that approached me all of them where gay niggers>>108931324no you didn't.
>>108919913>Signal is not digital.This is a problem, how? You can still do VRR, 10bit and HDR (if they got bright enough).
>>108932227you're barely even a man, can't blame them
>>108915382Corporations decided that LCDs were lighter and cheaper to manufacture, that is why.>>108915848I've used a plasma TV in 2022 while on vacation and it wasn't great. My desktop CRT was much superior in image quality.
>>108915390The lead solder glitters from your mechanical keyboard are infinitely more dangerous and hazardous.
>>108931346it's lonely
>>108918688CRTfags will tell you that what your looking at is your phone camera making it look worse than it really is... don't let them convince you otherwise..This is acutally what CRTS look like. the colors are THAT inaccurate .Like seriously they are JUST a novelty.. they are a good novelty.. but again. JUST a novelty
>>108934964well yeah. you should use them in a dark room and not let them face the sun. common knowledge.
>>108927106nigga they litterally do.. >>108934969The room is litterally fucking bright with the lights turned on .. tf are you on