Why can’t datacenters just be cooled with toilet water or piss or sewage or whatever? I don’t get it.
Have fun with the pipe cloggings
>>108918458the goal of data centers isn't to improve your quality of life, or leave you alive at all.
>>108918458Data centers aren't built in the middle of dense urban areas where you have a significant surplus of grey water.But this is a retarded concern anyway. Data centers don't pollute. The only instance in which a data center using water is bad is when it is pumping groundwater and isn't closed loop, which basically doesn't exist.
>>108918487It is to improve AI Chads' quality of life.
>>108918487Why are you on this board if you don't understand how computers work?
>>108918458>Why can’t datacenters just be cooled with toilet water or piss or sewageEthics: Elon and Sam would feel bad cooling these beautiful gpu's fairly bought from nvidia with filthy water.
>>108918458that might solve greenland plumbing
>>108918458Would you fill your gaming PCs liquid cooling loop with sewage?Won't matter soon anyway, you won't be able to afford the juice to power it. Water be the least of your problems, but drinking your own piss will still be free, probably.
>>108918488>Data centers don't pollute.They use electric, a lot of it. Retard.
>>108918628The data center itself does not pollute.
thermal pollution
>>108918662>just turn it off lmaoI'm afraid we might have to, top lelos
>>108918662This is, at best, a disingenuous statement. But its actually downright dishonest.
>>108918487Don’t be a faggot.
>>108918673>>108918674We're talking about water. You are shifting the goal posts.
>>108918662>The data center itself does not pollute.We used to say that about your mother, yet here you are.
>>108918700I am once again asking, why are you on this board if you don't know how computers work?
and then he said data centres don't pollute
>>108918719Shit samefag.
>>108918678why do you think they need to replace all the plebs with ai?they don't plan on them being alive soon.
pretty sure the smug AIfags on this board are agitators to rally up people against this.no corporation would be this dumb to pay people to actually turn people against them.
>>108918856You know you are wrong but rather than admitting it you would rather just spam.
>>108918458why is the heat not used to generate electricity is a better question reducing costs
warm air fills baloons on teathers that rise on kevlar cables that sit on alternators on spring pulleys, as they rise the pulley turns as the air cools they descend to refill with hot air an repeat the process, could be quite pretty
>>108918487thisline is going up
Datacenters run closed loops, the water usage is minimal. Redditors and women are just retarded.>>108918628Then ask for the government to use nuclear, it'll solve more than that problem.Not like I agree with anthropic or openai's or whatever mission, I think more nuclear in the US would be nice.
>>108918628the same leftists blaming pollution of data centers are the ones who don't want nuclear powerleftists are just useful idiots and i'm glad china exists.
I find it funny how "muh climate change" has disappeared since data centers started popping up.
>>108919213> Datacenters run closed loops, the water usage is minimal.No, they do not run closed loops. They use evaporative cooling.There may be closed loops to move heat from the machines to the evaporative cooler, but to expel heat from the datacenter facility into the surrounding environment, they evaporate massive quantities of water.
>>108918458If they could run on saltwater, that would stop them stealing potable water from living beings that need it, but they'd also happily drain every ocean on the planet to build even more datacenters for the palantir ctOS surveillance state.
>>108918712My employer disagrees
>>108919329where does the evaporated water go?
>>108919558Water treatment plants only have so much capacity. The water cycle is a long and slow process, and the water does not necessarily end up back in the same place it started.If you use all of the available freshwater in an area today, don't be surprised when people do not accept "but if you just wait some number of weeks, months, or years, it will rain again" as a solution, when they needed to drink that water tomorrow.
>>108918458Because that would spread disease everywhere or at the very least smell really bad.
>>108918487spbp /threadLine goes up means world more gooder :^)
>>108919329>They use evaporative cooling.Evaporative cooling is antiquated.Nobody building now is using it as it's more maintenance intensive and cooling capacity is directly variable with the local environment.Chillers are everywhere now which run off the refrigeration cycle.
A lot of times it's not dirty water they're afraid of being pumped out, it's hot water which has an effect of the surrounding environment like creating algae blooms or killing local wildlife.
>>108919377They can easily use salt water if they're located near the sea/ocean.Many (nuclear) power plants are and use salt water for cooling, even using the heat to turn salt water into fresh water.But tech CEO's prefer to build data centers in deserts where land is cheaper.
>>108919623So where do the water consumption numbers come from? They are all fake and made up?>With good water quality, roughly 80% of water withdrawal is evaporatedhttps://arxiv.org/pdf/2304.03271Is this totally irrelevant and now by 2026 we basically use no water at all in those datacenters? idk buddy sounds fishy
>>108919641>They can easily use salt water if they're located near the sea/ocean.Well, they can also solve world hunger, but its not profitable to do so, so they don't., running on salt water is expensive so no one does it since there's no law forcing them to do it, it's just cheaper to ruin the environment.
>>108919623You either don't know what you're talking about or are lying. Nearly 100% of data centers use evaporative cooling because it is the most efficient and cheapest form of heat rejection.> cooling capacity is directly variable with the local environmentThis is always true for literally all cooling systems, by definition of how heat works.> Chillers are everywhere now which run off the refrigeration cycle.Actually, these are rarely used because they are expensive to run, even more dependent on the state of the local environment than evaporative cooling is, and operate on the cube law (doubling the cooling requires eight times the power input). There may be some specific locations where dry chillers are used instead of evaporative coolers, because the environment is just right for them, but in general, data centers use evaporative cooling in 2026 because it is the cheapest and most effective method.
>>108919623>which run off the refrigeration cycle.....which uses evaporative cooling.It's very simple: you have to get rid of heat somehow.You can dump heat in the ocean or in a lake or river.But if that's not possible you have to dump it into the air and then evaporation is by far the cheapest and most efficient way.
my pee is hot
>>108919670>running on salt water is expensiveNo it's the cheapest method of cooling.Just needs a heat exchanger between the closed loop and the infinite supply of cool ocean water.Evaporative cooling requires cooling towers and usually water that, unlike ocean water, isn't free.
>>108918458How does a single tiktok shitpost about data centers magically deleting cooling water perpetuate to this scale?It actually does delete the electricity but somehow only the water gets discussed.
>>108919760>How does a single tiktok shitpost about data centers magically deleting cooling water perpetuate to this scale?Most people are significantly more retarded than you could even possibly assume.
>>108919760see >>108919589
>>108919760https://www.usgs.gov/water-science-school/science/groundwater-decline-and-depletionIf there isn't enough electricity you can turn non-essential things off, if there's not enough water you will just face drought and die by exsiccosis :)
>>108919760People get super emotional about water because humans need it to survive.....until it's time to water their lawns then they don't give a shit just want green grass so pump baby pump!
>>108919866> because humans need it to surviveSo they're being super rational, not super emotional.
>>108919760>datacentertroon downplaying factual issues related to water usage and shortages yet again
>>108918458Do normies really fall for photos like this?
>>108918493>Stealing One Piece>CobeAh, yes, another typical AIsloppa "masterpiece."
>>108919883Except, like I said, they stop giving a shit when it's them wasting the so-called "precious" water.It's definitely an emotional debate not a rational one.
>>108918493Your AI generated meme had to borrow the notoriety of human created characters. You are playing in mud and calling yourself god.
>>108918662Yet you wouldn't want to live close to one, would you?
>>108919897>factual issues related to water usage and shortagesDo those "facts" also apply to agriculture and lawns?Or is it only a problem with the 0.001% data centers use up?
>>108919941ludloser
>>108919945I do and I did.In the early 2000's my student flat was so close to a massive data center and one of the biggest internet exchanges in the world a bunch of flatmates layed a dedicated line to give everyone in the flat 100mbit internet essentially for free (which, for you zoomers, was unheard of at the time)And today there are data center in the city that provide cheap heating to nearby homes.
>>108919936Still not emotional at all, just a different rational line of thinking than what you may agree with. Their rationality is they have theirs so do not need to care about others. I don't agree with it either.
>>108918493Right. The AI chads such as Elon, Altman, Huang, Zuckerberg etc.I.e. not you.
>>108920136
Ok so the impression I’m getting is that there’s no good reason data centers can’t be cooled using piss.
>>108919958>datacenters slurping up safe, potable water to either fill closed loop systems or output polluted water in an open loop is the same thing as growing plants (used for food and fuels) or preventing the local ecosystem from becoming a desertYet another case of an aijeet downplaying every factual issue their slop generates.
>>108920292See >>108920136
>>108918488>The only instance in which a data center using water is bad is when it is pumping groundwater and isn't closed loop, which basically doesn't exist.Disingenuous retard.How do you think they remove the heat from the water?Evaporative cooling. They use tens of thousands of gallons water every day to cool their closed loop.
>>108921396>They use tens of thousands of gallons water every day to cool their closed loop.This is not necessarily always the case, but even when it is the case it isn't significant. You are the one who has been fooled by disingenuous people.
>>108921611>tens of thousands of gallons of potable water wasted and polluted a day isn't a problem bro
>>108919936Except a hundred thousand humans all watering their lawns at the same time still consume less water than those beasts of a datacenter does in a day.
>>108921703>tens of thousands of gallons of potable water wastedHow?>and pollutedHow?>a day isn't a problem broIt's literally not.
>>108918458the water argument is maybe a bit dumbdat centers operated outside of ZoG countries are totally filtered and the only side effect is a bit of heat, which can be detrimental to certain species of fish so all non-Zion occupied countries require cooling before discharge
>>108918488>isn't closed loop, which basically doesn't existDon't they use evaporative cooling? You shouldn't confuse the existence of internal closed cooling loops with the method used to release the heat into the environment as the final step. It's that final step which uses evaporative cooling.
>>108922112I already had this conversation.
>>108919994libtardincel
>>108918487They are sunk cost fallacy in action. They will never repay themselves in capital expenditure. Con people are fleecing fools with deep pockets who have a "Pulp Sci-Fi" impression of AI.
>>108922061>>tens of thousands of gallons of potable water wasted>How?It get used for evaporative cooling. It literally evaporates.
>>108922254>It get used for evaporative cooling. It literally evaporates.The only situation in which this is bad is if it is using water faster than the water source can be replenished, which you would need like a million data centers for in the places data centers are being built.Also, how do you pollute water vapor?
>>108919300Leftists are pro-nuclear you dumb fuck.It's the retarded conservatives who hate nuclear. Because COAL / OIL is on their pockets.
>>108918487based
>>108922361
>>108920292troons literaly need technology to exist and thus are not luddites.
>>108922403You have no response so you're just going to pretend that what I said is somehow absurd and then never explain because you have nothing.
>>108918458they can run on cumdna computing with integrated coolingkurzweil talks about this
>>108918662They produce jewish slop that poisons peoples' minds.
actually they could cool them with evil peoples' blood that would be a net good then right?
>>108919300>leftists who don't want nuclear powerAt some point you have to take a step back and ask yourself what the fuck it is you even believe if you're thinking this is an intelligible pointOr do you just believe that nuclear energy works like it does in The Simpsons
>>108919300The unwashed leftist protestors are mere pawns for the goyim political circus.>jews want AI to help the new low-IQ, brown managerial class>jews want continued interest in oil so western countries keep meddling in the middle east>jews also control the protestor opposition
>>108918458Piss is warm
>>108919760Because we need water to live. If we don't have it we die. And we're already in a global drought.
>>108918458We are destroying America just by asking stupid questions or creating cat videos and waifu porn. Russia, China and Iran just need to buy tokens.
>>108918458because its gross and icky
>>108918488
>>108922628Why are you on this board?
>>108918719datacenter at flotilla then visit bilgestation every once and then
>>108918458Piss is warm duh
>>108918488>Data centers don't pollutejeets work there
>>108918458The main reason is because of pipe clogging and abrasion and metal fatigue when the highly acidic, detritus filled water comes into repeated contact with the surface of the heat exchangers. Also infestation of bacteria and stuff. You need relatively clean water at least. Even ocean water is kind of a nono for direct evaporative cooling. And it should be remembered evaporative cooling is the norm for the highly chip dense and energy intense ai datacenters being pushed, because the heat dissipation is too much for a closed loop design to reasonably handle at once. Which should be considered.Anybody saying that this is not happening is probably thinking of other forms of data centers, which have gotten pretty power efficient by now. Could you make a less demanding AI datacenter? Sure. But for the request capacities that companies want to make their llm services economically viable, they kind of have to be extremely mega super demanding, and that's not such a great idea considering the limitations of local water sources, or even if the cost of oil goes up. They'll go broke from the utilities costs, and the people living in those towns will be left holding the bag. If it wasn't a practical issue, then people wouldn't already be getting notices about their local utility companies deciding to no longer service them. But they are. So.... :/
How hot does the water get? Maybe make a big hot dog cart out of it. Everyone likes hot dogs.Or a sous vide.
>>108925420Hmm. I had not considered this factor.
>>108918458>Why can’t datacenters just be cooled with toilet water or piss or sewage or whatever?you could do that but it's expensive. ideally what you'd want to do is build such a data center near a supply of sea water, build a small desal water plant. unlimited fresh pure water and the brine waste product can also be used for cooling instead of most of it being pumped back out to sea or into some evaporation pond.
why dont they just build data centers in space where its super cold?
>>108925631They should build them on the surface of the sun where there's intenst solar power 24/7.
They don't use that much water, the water is being hoarded in underground bunkers for when shit truly hits the fan, but you guys will believe anything you're told by the electric jew.
>>108922254>build it in places that need the extra humidityI’m a problem solver.
Graphene membranes make low cost ultrapure water so the water can just be recycled. Even w evap cooling, it gets sent to combined heat and power systems. People who design industrial systems dont waste tons of water anymore.New technology being rolled out that can purify wastewater and extract valuable raw materials.
too many corrosive minerals. need to spend more big bucks to filter it.
>>108918458You were scammed into believing that data centers use that much water.
>>108918628They are also using natural gas.https://youtu.be/5p426fSlYH4
>>108918662They absolutely pollute. Shit loads of pollution. They dump a metric fuck tonne of broken hardware with all kinds of nasty shit in it straight to landfill.
The second largest nuclear plant in the US is in the desert and cooled by sewage from a city seventy km away.
>>108925631Because temperature control in space is painfully awkward, and getting mass to orbit remains very expensive.
Data centers create artificial demand so that other company stocks go higher, since the stock owners doing this own most stocks in the economy, it's a net gain.
>>108919760If you use up all the groundwater in Texas evaporative cooling Cat Video Central, it doesn't magically all rain down on Texas again. Some of that water might have been in aquifiers for thousands of years. And when its gone? its gone. Empty. An this is why building datacenters in Texas is particularly fucking retarded but heyho, no libtards around to complain. Is there.
>>108927705Some day the world is going to think back on how American oil companies intentionally stymied the proliferation of clean and affordable energy to chase a heavily pollutive and finite resource all so that they could keep their fucking profit margins high while already making more money than most men will ever see in their lives.
>>108918458Imagine the smell
>>108919941If you're getting mad at ai taking credit for human work then you should also be mad at humans taking credit for God's work. Do you believe a mortal can rise beyond the clay he was created from?
>>108919657>GPT-3 consumes an order of 0.4 kWh of electricity to generate 100 pages of contentThis is pretty low, but it's difficult to tell how modern models are with inferencing these days. Either way, people keep confusing inferencing with training. Training is what uses a ton of electricity and resources, not the inferencing. You're not draining a lake because of generating your loli smut RP.
>>108918488>Data centers don't pollutego away shill, not only they pollute they are a nuisance with all the artificial light they create fucking kike
>>108918458they are. lol
>>108925420>>108931980>>108922628>>108921396>>108921703>>108918628Do you think water closed loop is evaporating the water outside of pipes? Do you think my open loop magically over the year loses all of its fucking water? You retarded fucks!
>>108918458A data center with a closed loop cooling system is fine but that costs more, so the Wall Street 1%er parasites want to suck up the water then dump it back into the system, with the tax payers footing the bill.Same with electrical power.
>>108918458Datacenter's excess heat ought at least be used to heat homes.>my Ch.AI goon sesh... your radiator
I have a proposal:Cut datacenters from the grid and force them to rely only on solar panels.
>>108918488>Data centers don't pollute.lolData centers use a bazillion watts of electricity per second, where do you think that electricity comes from?And no, it ain't coming from solar panels...
>>108918458Only if the pee is from virgins (females).
>>108932288you are the one doing interval quality check?
