flightless birb OS bretty good

>>108924120
>https://nosystemd.org
OP is schizoposting again

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>>108924173

>>108924187
Look, if there was actually a usable non-systemd distro I'd be all for it. But there isn't. OP is doing a disservice to people genuinely seeking a distro.

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>>108924120
is this some kind of joke or something?

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Is there a way to make nautilus/dolphin not search through certain folders? I don't want to search through my reaction image folder (15k images) when i just want to search all other folders but that? I tried .nomediashow but that didn't work. I'd hide it but that'd be annoying.

Anti-systemd people be like
>No you can't use systemd because it's too big and goes against the UNIX philosophy!
Systemd people be like
>My computer just works

The Unix philosphy:
>Write programs that do one thing and do it well.
>Write programs to work together.
>Write programs to handle text streams, because that is a universal interface.

>>108924568
Whats wrong with Funtoo, Gentoo, Slackware, Tinycore and Void (Aside from Void is new so its bad and politics)?

>>108924626
Most anti-systemd people I know weren't anti-systemd until they rushed to implement age verification. I don't really think the Unix people are as influential as they once were.

>>108924844
>Whats wrong with Funtoo
idk you tell me
https://www.funtoo.org/

>>108924844
>Funtoo
Dead
>Gentoo
Source-based
>Slackware
Retarded design decisions
>Void
Insecure
>Tinycore
No glibc

>>108924851
>age verification
It provides a means for local age ATTESTATION, if the distribution wishes to implement such a thing.

>>108924859
>Funtoo died
Oh shit when did this happen? I usually hear about when projects end but this one just died quietly without me noticing.
>>108924862
>Dead
sadge, kinda, or at least an end of an era.
>Source-based
So not your usecase
>Retarded design decisions
So not your usecase
>Insecure
I really don't know much about Void other than the politics around it so I'll give you that one
>No glibc
So not your usecase

>>108924905
>So not your usecase
You're kind of making my point for me. The context of all this is OP recommending non-systemd distros to people trying to figure out what to use. The answer to this is a well supported mainstream general purpose distro, not SchizoOS 3.1. Obviously there are niche distros and their fans, and that's fine. But is that really what we want to recommend in the general case?

use case for things not being my use case?

>>108924862
>Source-based
what is the issue with this

>>108924933
I think your confusing me with the OP, especially when your opening post was "Are you kidding me with this list?". We don't actually disagree, I just thought you were saying no sysd = bad

>>108924951
Windows or Apple

>>108924120
>distro doesn't autodetect my 3.5mm jack when plugged in
>go into alsamixer after googling it
>check to see if automute is enabled
>it is
>still doesn't work
now what?

>>108925079
never mind I figured it out
>>108925118

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>>108924951

Void is the straight white man choice for desktop.
Debian is the straight white man's choice for his home lab.
GrapheneOS is the straight white man's choice for his phone.
That is all. You do not need more.

>>108925238
wtf is a "home lab"

>>108925262
>Doesn't know what a home lab is
Why are you on /g/? You a bot? One of those paid Apple marketing shills?

>>108925274
>Can't ask a question about it in a friendly thread.
So its just marketing jargon that means nothing and you can get by with 1 distro? Got it.

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I DON'T WANT TO GO BACK TO VENEZUELA
HELP ME /G/

>>108924613

does nautilus search run over locate, mlocate, plocate perhaps those have option to not look all folders

>>108925282
it means setting up your own server at home anon, to self host various services like your own cloud, firewall etc.
not specific to any distro or even OS technically - it's just a general label for the hardware you set up and what you put on it

>>108925238
Does void work with x11 desktops? I legitimately cannot use Wayland desktops because they force loads of input lag in the name of preventing tearing. Artix seems to be the only distro looking to ship xlibre, which will probably be the only version of xorg getting updates. Void looks like a good distro (almost exactly what I am looking for) but i genuinely cannot deal with Wayland, and last I checked a tranny ran the distro and couldn't handle xlibre packaging. Or I would need to find some way to fix input lag on Wayland with a 60hz screen, which won't happen because it is a non issue for 99% of users and developers clearly don't care.

>>108925388
I run X11 exclusively on it, no problems at all

>>108925388
If you need to think that [distro] is somehow a separate operating system you should not even use linux but stay on windows/mac.

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I'm a noob but I'm running Mint 22.3 with Cinnamon on my old laptop and gotta say I really like it. No clue what people have about the UI looking supposedly outdated, I really like it, doesn't get in your way, no nonsense, just werks.

>>108925238
>rolling release on desktop
this is a tinkering transgender female pretending to be male

>>108925492
Hello Shartix user.
Been using Void for years, never had a problem with the rolling release.
Did try Artix once on a different machine. So terrible even the installer was dogshit and broken.
Why are you Shartix users so mad all the time?

>>108925501
>Artix Linux is a rolling-release distribution, based on Arch Linux.
dumbass

>>108925512
Shartix is pure sharted shit and full of trannies, like you though.
Retard

>>108925483
people are not ready to have the conversation that Mint is the single best Linux distro out there

>>108925635
Lol good one.

>>108925673
It kinda is at being usable for everyone, I wouldn't hand a normie the keys to the XFCE version because it has no animations and might freak them the fuck out, with how light and based it is, meanwhile you could hand the Cinnamon version to some Windows 7 retard and tell em it's a theme and they'll mouse right over to the furryfox icon like it's Windows and get right to the slop.

>>108925700
Thing is, I don't want shithead windows users migrating over.
When someone, anything, gets popular it inevitably gets normiefied, which means it ultimately suffers while trying to meet the expectations of the normal cattle NPCs.
In other words:
>Thing gets popular
>Normal Cattle flock to it
>To keep up with the genuine stupidity of a normal person, devs have to enshitify the product by dumbing it down
>Thing goes to shit
>Normal cattle move on the thing to destroy.
Yes, I am gatekeeper. Stay the fuck away from Linux. Especially if you don't even know what fucking sudo is or does.
Mint is based on Ubuntu, Ubuntu is corporatized slop dogshit. Nothing based Ubuntu is good.

>>108925751
That's the beauty of Linux though, no matter what happens, there will always be based distros that do their own thing.

>>108925700
Cinnamon is fucking terrible at replicating the Windows experience compared to Plasma lol...Mint users can't even double click executables to run them.

>>108925902
>Mint users can't even double click executables to run them.
They're not supposed to, we live out of the repository and go to our little menu to run shit, it keeps the OS just werking, I've never even touched the terminal unless I'm doing uber leet shit like neofetch, htop, or prime95 small fft to max out the CPU with, no normal user trying to use the computer should ever know about that, and that's okay.

>>108925700
I think it's genuinely malicious to recommend x11 aged GTK shit to newcomers especially on a slow rolling distro like Mint. KDE is the desktop of the decade and it comes with a store and extensive settings for most things people want and its compositor is years ahead of Cinnamon. Normal people want their hardware to just work and that requires Wayland these days like it or not, hardware compatibility is one of the most important hurdles in migration and x11 users just brush it off. Most people actually want a faster update cycle than Mint, they're just a little scared of updoots after being burned by Windows, I don't think many of them realize what they're opting into with how old many packages are on Mint.

The only good thing about Mint is that it has a lot of things like backups you can enable out of the box. "Just use your mouse to click on things in predictable locations like Windows" applies to KDE as well. Even when it comes to that Cinammon has major pain points like its old school file picker keeping the ancient meme alive, even GNOME has had that solved for years. The use case for Cinnamon and xfce increasingly narrows down to a 56 year old that only opens their computer once a month to check their email and bank account. I know Mint has a lot of power users and loyalists but I bet many of them wouldn't actually have trouble migrating to something else and recreating their workflow, they're just stubborn and stuck in 2014 fearing krashes.

>>108926054
You and the retards you represent should go to Mac OS and never come here again.

I've tipped my toes in Linux and I'm quite comfortable with it now on Debian. I've been very interested in NixOS for a while though. Do I have to relearn everything to get comfortable again with NixOS?

>>108924613
for dolphin, add the folder as 'do not scan' in baloo settings.

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Gentoo is so fucking good, I forgot I haven't upgraded my system for a month or so. I guess I'll let it emerge while I go shopping for groceries. I fucking love that my system has no way to inform me that hey I need to install some stupid updates.

>>108926527
There's a reason why distros like Arch and Gentoo are so popular

>>108926527
>Gentoo is so fucking shit, I forgot I haven't upgraded my system for a month or so. I guess I'll let it break everything while I go shopping for dildos. I fucking hate that my system has no way to inform me that hey I need to break my system with some stupid updates
FIFY, Fuckface

>>108926549
I dont remember the last time an update has broken stuff for me on gentoo

why do updates break things anyway?

>>108926559
Lack of coordination between updated packages and their shared dependency packages. Configuration file changes that get merged incorrectly to existing edited configs. And such and such, I'd guess.

>>108924951
What are you, a GNOME dev?

>>108926578
so why don't they just, like, not do that?

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>>108926559
Doesn't happen to me because I use a proper distro. I never had an update break anything.

>>108926583
Most of the time because of user error, I'd guess.

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yours truly first distro
I fell in love but the fucking dial up modem prevented me from going balls deep into the loonix rabbit hole

>>108924120
Thoughts on LXDE?

>>108926559
updates are changes. any unwanted changes can be considered as "breaking things".

Firefox just forgot all the favicons again on the bookmarks toolbar...again. Never have that issue with Edge on Linux.

>>108926599
It's a dead desktop sadly. It's still a selectable desktop in Debian 13.

>>108926578
You're meant to use drop-in configs these days and not directly edit the main config file. User issue. SystemD highly recommends to make use of drop-ins when editing configs. Much easier to determine if it's your config or the compiled in config causing issues then.

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>>108926593
The first distro I ever tried was one of the early Ubuntu versions, maybe this one or something near it.

>>108926681
And Artix.

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>>108926593
>>108926728
Ubuntu 16 is the first time I tried Linux on a crappy laptop for browsing the web. It was alright I guess.

>>108926708
I just do dispatch-conf and resolve conflicts. Also I don't use systemd.

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>>108926549
>>108926559
Back from the grocery mission. Upgrade done, as a final step dispatch-conf added some insignificant chromium config file.

>>108924187
There is no good alternative for systemd and like it or not it's a de-facto standard.

>>108924851
Those are just performative autistic retards. The database where systemd stores your age (which you have to manually fill in) already contained fields for your real name, address, etc.

>>108926559
They don't in competent distributions.

From previous bread
>>108917743
>>108918247
I added

ui.systemUsesDarkTheme = 1

to

about:config

to force Firefox to use the dark theme as a temporary workaround.

It seems like the issue appeared when they added the new profile customization feature, where you can color-flavour each profile -- of course they were gonna break something.

If anyone got a better (real) solution, I'm all ears (eyes).

>>108925811
true, and then the power users and normie users are happy and we all live in freedom harmony :)

>>108924905
tbf many of funtoo's best features made it back upstream. it had git repos before gentoo, for one.

>>108927937
You have to be the most retarded, clueless, un-selfware simpleton I have ever seen in 17 years on this site

>>108925405
I have used Linux for years I just want the distro to ship xlibre officially because adding repositories from random people online is terrible, and I shouldn't have to compile software myself or download random binaries just to use my computer.

>>108928096
OOORRRR
You could stop being a Fuckface with advanced Down's Syndrome and no use shitty xlibre

>>108927986
Can someone answer my question, please. I really dont want to fuck my computer up.

>>108928112
>>>/g/sqt

>>108928112
>128 GB
>Install windows
>Install one AAA game
>Sorry chud you don't have enough space

>>108928091
Nice argument, autist. Now go and fix your dysfunctional PC while mine just works.

>>108928119
I have a seperate drive for games tranny. Dont ever call me a chud again you fat cock sucking faggot.

>>108927937
>flatpaks depending on systemd is le good actually
you're one of those, right

>>108928077 (me)
I think normies should still learn the differences though and understand terminal commands instead of wanting it to be just like windows because it will never be exactly like windows.

>>108927277
im an arch user who always had a curiosity about gentoo without ever really looking into it, can you explain to me how the user experience is like? what's it like first time installation and how good is their wiki? does the software just work or are there a few bugs that wouldnt happen on arch? also does compiling everything take a long time?thanks, all the best

>>108928112
dual booting with seperate drives is common just look up a guide lots of them exist. main thing to watch out for is only use your games drive for one of the operating systems because NTFS does not work well on ext4, dont use it for both operating systems

>>108928131
Linux and Windows can't share the same drive for PC games unless you partition it into 2 partitions, splitting the drive space in half for each OS. Windows works with ntfs and Linux with btrfs/f2fs/ext4.
Technically you can install btrfs or ext4 Windows drivers and have the game drive formatted as one of those two, but it's questionable if your games will work on Windows then.

>>108928147
I genuinely don't care because every OS I'm using Flatpak on always has systemd.

>>108928198
ok, then what if something better than systemd comes along? oops you gotta rewrite everything

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535, my beloved ;_;

>>108928198
>>108928175
Thank you two, this pretty much answers my question. I am manifesting good vibes, gainful employment, and even a Pawg. Now I must return to /brap/ I have important matters to finish.

>>108928209
What if something better than Linux comes along? OOPS, REWRITE EVERYTHNG!

>>108928175
>what's it like first time installation and how good is their wiki?
Wiki is excellent. Also gentoo.org and packages.gentoo.org are great.
>does the software just work or are there a few bugs that wouldnt happen on arch?
I don't see any bugs whatsoever.
>also does compiling everything take a long time?
Depends on your system specs. And you can opt for binhost, meaning that the package manager will fetch pre-built packages from official binhost servers for the pre-built packages that match your personal system's USE flags. Any pre-built packages that do not match your USE flags would still be compiled like normal.

>>108928107
Why should I not use xlibre? It has been a much smoother experience, for me personally. I give presentations multiple times a week on my laptop and I've encountered much less issues (0 issues, actually) during those presentations running xlibre than I used to running xorg. Maybe every distro I tried before shipped broken versions of xorg?

>>108928348
its nice that they have an option to use pre built binaries I didn't know that, ill consider trying gentoo someday thanks anon

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Why is this suddenly popular?
Is it just another flavor of the year distro like Manjaro was at some point?

>>108928420
Yeah literally just add FEATURES="getbinpkg" to /etc/portage/make.conf - It works seamlessly meaning portage will just automatically pick either a bin or a src for the package and its each of its dependencies when you install packages.

>>108928209
systemd APIs are basically Linux canon. You already have two other init systems implementing them.

>>108928441
yes

>>108928260
>use a distro with up to 12 YEARS of support
>nah, "have to" updoot to a brand new release anyway
>be surprised that shit isn't ready yet or no longer works
yet this is a cunt who gets paid to install Linux...

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>>108928852
>12 YEARS
15 years, actually

>>108928441
It is Archlinux with the performance of an optimised Gentoo install (they have repositories that compile binaries specifically for your CPU architecture instead of generic binaries) and also an optimised Linux kernel tuned for responsiveness.
So no, definitely not a meme like Manjaro

>>108928260
This is why you do trial runs internally before deploying new operating system version and also pay for Ubuntu Pro so you have someone besides 4chan to bitch at

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What went wrong?

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>>108925238
>>108924862
>>108925388

Transphobia holding you back from one of the best independent distros.

>>108929022
>Calling it production ready when it's still clearly a beta. Some would even say it never left alpha.
Besides that it's fine. Nothing went wrong and development is still continuing.

>>108929022
Doesn't work.

>>108929035
>Calling it production ready when it's still clearly a beta.
Isn't this literally the norm in the Linux world? Chuds get real hyped when new versions get "released", so the devs push broken shit out so that the chuds can then spam the bug tracker for them?

>>108929022
I was the biggest Pop shill for a long long time. It was an awesome distro that just worked.
Then Cosmic came out and holy shit was it broken. I ended up switching to GNOME.
Then the whole systemd and age verification bullshit, I had enough and switched to Void. I'll be here for a while.

>>108929071
This, Linux is eternally in beta which is a strength and a weakness, because even on the Linux Mint website they say "this shit we just dropped may have a regression, if so revert to what you had previously"

>>108924173
Just use Artix, my man. You can install it with a KDE live ISO and then change to scrollwm anytime you want.

>>108924862
>>Gentoo
>Source-based
You can install binary packages by default now.
>what's the point of Gentoo then
supports inits other than systemd, you can still compile programs with your own USE flags, tools like dispatch-conf and eselect are comfy.

>>108929071
>Isn't this literally the norm in the Linux world
No. It's only the norm in shit projects.

>>108929033
It's not independent. Independent implies built from the ground up.
Shartix is very much DEPENDANT on Arch.

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>>108929361
I was talking about Void. Void is awesome. Artix is fine, but I shy away from derivatives.

>>108929406
Ahh fellow Void enjoyer, in that case, yes I agree

so i was arbitrarily locked out of my linux install for presumably shutting off incorrectly, i was unable to access the console because of sulogin and i fixed it by booting into my painfully slow 10 install
all i did was add 2 folders that forced sulogin in systemd
why was that even default behavior? there was literally nothing wrong with the system yet it threw a shitfit as if my entire etc folder got destroyed

>>108929531
systemd is bloated shit, that's why

>>108929531
>why was that even default behavior?
You had filesystems fail to mount which weren't marked nofail. systemd sees these filesystems as requirements for user services.
>i was unable to access the console because of sulogin
Probably because you didn't create a root password during installation.

>>108929752
TL;DR
systemd is shit

So is Linux-based systems not needing an antivirus true or a meme? What should I look out for on Linux (CachyOS)? While using Windows, I only made sure not to run any shady exe files and that's about it. I know the other big one is to exclusively visit trusted reputable websites, but I often need to research stuff with references and such, so I don't stick to that one as well as I should.

>>108929923
It's a meme, Even on Windows since Vista, random ass executable don't get root privileges, it became more linux-like where it tells you "this thing is wanting to make changes to your computer, it could fuck it up, you sure motherfucker?"

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>>108926728
>>108926896
for me it was 10.10
comfy

>>108929923
No OS needs antivirus. AV is a bandaid you put on the network to compensate for retards who shouldn't be allowed near a PC in the first place. The correct solution for these people is Chrome OS.

>>108929531
>my painfully slow 10 install
There are a lot of reasons to hate wangblows but a 10 IoT LTSC 2021 install isn't slow unless you've bloated it with lots of shit

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>>108928441
It's alright. I use it for my desktop. Played through all of SMT:VV on it and worked great. I swapped to Linux after Windows 10 died. The only thing that doesn't work is my XCapture-1 card. Winboat wouldn't work with it either.

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>>108930052
>after Windows 10 died
But Windows 10 is still receiving security updates until 2032

>>108930075
I didn't have that version of 10.

pikaos is my fav

>>108929939
>>108930049
This sounds a lot like "you don't need it if you're smart", which is obvious, I'm asking more towards can you still fuck up by installing a pirated version of a game complete with all DLCs which would otherwise cost you a thousand dollars, or do you need to look out for other types of stuff?

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>>108924120
Im considering switching over to linux on my laptop which I use for schoolwork (premed) and some occasional vidya if I don't have a reason to use my main pc. I just want it to be faster lighter and more efficient but I don't know a lick of terminal and looking at starting with mint for now (maybe when im more confident Ill switch to gentoo cause im also thinking of starting a home server which ill 100% need it for) should I start with dual booting and can someone educate me on Windows subsystem for linux. Any advice with someone more experienced

>>108930199
Just stay with Windows, you already know it, you already use it.

>>108930198
there's really not much big name software of games to torrent on Linux which would fuck it up, but there was a time where I had a pirated Windows 7 with my pirated AAA games and never had a problem.

>>108930199
Yes Anon, keep using Mint for daily browsing and usage and ween yourself off the windows.

>>108924120
Is Kitty Terminal worth using? Recommendations for terminals you can customize? Nothing flashy, I want it to be as efficient as possible. If what I'm asking is retarded, is there anything more efficient than the current terminal?

>>108930241
>Recommendations for terminals you can customize?
Konsole

>>108930241
>Is Kitty Terminal worth using?
If you like your terminal opening network ports to form connections with asking you and risking your privacy and making you potentially vulnerable to hacks, then yes.

>>108930198
That's what sandboxed wine environments like Bottles are for.

>>108930261
>with
without, I've had a long day

>>108930241
No. Popular VTE terminals like konsole and gnome-terminal are all anyone tests against. In addition to xterm, which nobody wants to use.
>customize to be efficient
The fuck does this even mean? It's a terminal. You you're things and maybe have tabs.

>>108930274
>>customize to be efficient
No, I want high customization but I don't want to sacrifice efficiency too much. I said if I sounded retarded to just recommend me something that is bare bones instead.
>>108930257
>>108930261
Is Konsole retard friendly? I've seen that there are some more user friendly shells like FISH that I could replace BASH with but doing anything to BASH kinda sounds like too much right now, I just want to rice out my terminal.

>>108930199
It's a bad reason to pick up Linux and you're likely to be disappointed.

>>108930288
Yes, Konsole is pretty much retard friendly, it allows you to create profiles so it's really hard to fuck it up

>>108930199
Honestly, I mean this with best intentions at heart, but stay on Windows for the time being. If you are premed you just want and need an OS that is just going to work even if it spys and advertises on you, so just stick to windows and maybe treat it more like a workstation than a PC. Use it just for schoolwork.
That being said if you have a USB laying around thats 20 gigs or so, you could just make that usb stick into a Linux Mint distro and fuck around with it on your free time.
That way you won't get stressed the fuck out trying to troubleshoot problems to turn in a research paper on time while at the same time getting your feet wet with Linux. You can also attempt to play vidya or watch youtube videos without windows looking over your shoulder.
>tl;dr: use a usb stick and try it out for a couple months and see if its for you.

>>108930221
>>108930213
>>108930293
I'll 100% be staying on win 10 ltsc lot for my main desktop. I just want something new for my laptop and for a potential home server.

If we are talking about terminals, has anyone used Warp its supposed to be the "AI terminal for Linux" w/e the fuck that means.

>>108930310
This is probably what ill try doing at the start of the fall semester.

>>108930312
start with ubuntu on your laptop, learn the basics with the command line (navigate, edit files, install/update packages, yada yada) and then with that knowledge you should be good for mounting your homeserver, you can use the same ubuntu or, my personal suggestion, plain debian

>>108930318
Look into Ventoy and just keep in mind that USB mounted distros can be a tad slow to read/write when you are using them. Also, you'll have a little OS on the go and you can plug that sucker into a friend's PC and boot to your OS instead without having to use your friend's OS.
That being said DO NOT plug that USB into public computers, university computers, or work/lab computers it will flag the hacking systems and you could potentially get into a lot of trouble doing that.

>>108929022
>>108929035
pretty much, i had less hiccups with quickshell+niri/mango

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>use Gentoo like a retard
>use it as a desktop system
>for a desktop system you want somewhat new stuff
>also some stuff is "masked" until you go for "~amd64" or "testing" or whatever they call it
>go for Testing versions globally:

ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~amd64"

>now that you are using "Testing Gentoo" it's only a matter of time when some compilation fails
>keeps failing for months until it's fixed
This time the offender is kde-plasma/plasma-workspace. What's the correct way to use Gentoo to avoid this? Or is this how's it supposed to be? Or am I supposed to individually pick which parts use the testing version?
Years ago when I last used Gentoo and used Mate desktop some parts of it kept failing similarly for some time.
t. tard

>>108929752
no I don't think that's it, the only ones without no fail were the system files

>>108930051
it's on an old 128gb sata ssd and I've cleaned out basically everything that wasn't system files, it's as lean as it can be
it got slower since I've switched over everything and just stopped using it

>Lapus$
Is this a Minecraft reference?

>>108930375
The root filesystem can fail to mount RW if your ancient jeetmachine has bad memory / power supply / SSD firmware.

>>108930312
If you're planning home server then use and learn Debian. Debian is the best distro for a home lab. And learn the terminal inside and out. For a server you'll want to run Debian headless (no DE) to save resources and power usage.

>>108924173
>uselessd
Wow, nostalgic. I was just thinking about this yesterday. I'm surprised it's still listed. I knew the guy back then and I don't think he ever got it into a fully functional state.

>>108930395
but it's not ancient, 5700x3d and 9070xt
And it kept doing so repeatedly across multiple resets until I did the systemd fuckery where I enforced sulogin

>>108928561
>systemd absorbs udev
>"systemd APIs are basically Linux canon"
Huh, really

>>108930327
Why ubuntu over mint I always hear about how zogged ubuntu is and only see positives about mint. they are both simple to use am i wrong?

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Can someone explain what it's like for a Linux user to not use a mouse?

Do they just go
>ls
>cd repository1
>ls
>cd repository2
>ls
>cd repository3
>feh "super ridiculous long filename 991819230.jpg"
>let me scroll through this file (down arrow x 50)

I try to avoid using a terminal so please educate me if there is a better way to navigate your files.

>>108930611
both are simple, you could use both really, but ubuntu is a little bit less noob friendly than mint so in a way it forces you to learn some new stuff without being as alien as other more advanced distro

ultimately you should check the desktop environments of both and see which you like more and use that

>>108930627
use ranger or mc

>>108930611
nta but Ubuntu is fairly friendly, but it lacks the polish Mint has.
On the flip side, Mint also tends to run on the older side of things. Which is bad for some usecases but isn't inherently bad in and of itself.
I honestly don't get the hate for Mint, epseically since I've left Mint I've really missed the polish it had compared to Ubuntu and other Ubuntu flavors. In those terms its going to be as similar as you get to Windows in that regard.
Oh and also, eventually you will outgrow Mint. If you're into customizing and tinkering with your system you'll eventually find out that Mint is basically the Apple of Linux. One of the reasons its so user friendly and easy is that they did the same thing Apple does and locked you out from the ability to replace certain aspects of the distro or replace elements with other elements.

>>108924120
I'm going to bed /fglt/ tell me a Linux bedtime story of give me a penguin hug.

>>108930672
*grabs the horrors of the linux terminal off the shelf*

>>108930627
>navigate your files.
yazi, it uses vim motions

>>108930627
I'm also curious if these people browse the web without a mouse. Seems like a huge pain. How would you highlight and copy/paste stuff?

>>108930744
qutebrowser? vim stuff again. or one of those vim extensions.

>>108930627
bash autocd + tab completion, or use a file manager with fast navigation if the directory names are really hairy.
>feh "super ridiculous long filename 991819230.jpg"
Yeah completions, esp fzf ** completions, or use a file manager.
>let me scroll through this file (down arrow x 50)
Press space or PgDn to scroll by screens? Do you unironically mouse over to the scrollbar every time you want to move one screen down in the GUI?

>>108930611
Mint is basically Ubuntu if it was good

>>108930744
links is a great browser. Graphics are bloat.

>>108925039
No issue. But it's not something you'd recommend to someone unsure what to run.

The proof that God doesn't exists is that there isn't a Mint edition with KDE/GNOME.
>install it yourself / kubuntu / ubuntu
Not the same thing

>>108925067
Oh, ok. Cool.
>>108929033
Trans is not why Void is bad. It's actually one of the best non-systemd distros. But again it's not something you want to recommend to people unsure of what to run.

>>108931219
Cinnamon is a fork of GNOME, that's their full featured thing that scales nicely if you have a high dpi screen, XFCE has no concept of scaling but if you're in a situation where you're trying to save resources, your computer probably doesn't have a high dpi screen.

>>108929923
Use Flatpaks and use uBlock Origin with all "malware domain" filters enabled.
Linux is the least secure of the big 3 desktop operating systems. It entirely relies on user judgment and Unix permissions to avoid getting infected. The reason people think it's secure is simply because centralized, trusted repositories avoid the issue of downloading a random malicious .exe.

>>108930198
Yes, you can. The purpose of WINE is to be able to run Windows executables, even if they're malware. Most Windows malware that deletes or encrypts files will do the same on Linux. But because Linux doesn't have Defender, nothing will ever protect you.
But as the other anon said, use Bottles for running Windows executables and enable the improved sandbox option in it.

>>108930627
Some if not most GUI file managers are fully accessible with just the keyboard.

>>108929923
Kind of a meme. People say that because software is often delivered from trusted repositories on Linux. If you download random binaries from the web you can get a virus just like on Windows.

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I have a rasp pi and I can display images in the framebuffer by typing 'fbi filename.ext' in the console. I want to take it a step further. When I boot my rasp pi, it should display a list of files from a photo directory when I boot, select with arrow keys, and hit enter to display by calling the fbi command. And when I escape it should show the list again.

I'm not asking for code, but for someone to point me in a direction. Like what should I learn to use to program this simple task? Bash? C? Something else?

>>108931610
>If you download random binaries from the web you can get a virus just like on Windows.
It's even worse than Windows since Windows at least babysits you with M$ Defender which is genuinely good enough to protect you from most malware.

>>108931628
This can be done in bash. Look up bash commands or have gemini cook you up a script, then just have that script auto-run on boot.

>>108931652
>It's even worse than Windows
Yes, I wonder when there's going to be an anti virus service in systemd or something. Now the next best thing is using the malware scan in Firefox or Chromium

>>108931592
>>108931652
>>108931665
So it's not that it doesn't need an antivirus, it just doesn't have one? That seems like an oversight of some sort...

>>108932040
It has ClamAV, but really the OS itself will be an antivirus

>>108932040
There are a couple of AVs (Avira, Avast, etc.) on Linux but they're not used outside of corporate use. And last time I encountered those they had massive issues, like completely locking up the flatpak package manager if you try to install an app without doing it as root.

>>108932070
>the OS itself will be an antivirus
False. On Linux, the user is the antivirus.

>>108932040
Nobody is using AVs anymore. The main reason why Windows needs one is because it's a shit OS. Operating systems are being designed in a way where applications are containerized, sandboxed and require the users to explicitly grant permissions for destructive actions. You don't use an AV on macOS, iOS or Android. And desktop Linux is rapidly moving towards a Flatpak-centric and atomic/immutable environment which is very close to what those 3 operating systems are.

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>>108929923
>>108932040
I have used ClamAV on Linux in the past, you can use that if you're very worried about viruses and malware.

What's important though is that you only download software from reputable sources. When you download a distro ISO, only download it from the official website. Also when it comes to Flatpaks and Snaps, I personally only download ones which are verified (pic related, they have a tick).

>>108924120
I fucking hate Linux's audio drivers, they never fucking work for me when I unplug and plug in a set of jack headphones I have and drives me fucking crazy. Only way I can get the headset working is using the front port which is damaged and only plays audio out of one side of the headset, the back port works but for some reason it never detects when I plug it in. Only the front one works that way.

>>108932131
Windows doesn't need antivirus. It just need a user that isn't a retard.

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Ebussy is celebrating the total ban of apps containing AI-assisted code or documentation from Flathub (with a special exception carved out for "mature and well-maintained projects").

Finally time to fork Flathub?

>>108932225
what does "verified" even mean?
is it just like the GIMP team saying "yeah we're not distributing malware, trust us"?

>>108925232
Bumping for answer, if I don't respond until 10 hours later its because I came back from work.

>>108931219
>Not the same thing
How so? Mint is literally nothing but Ubuntu but different set of initial packages, it uses Ubuntu's repositories. Therefore you can simply install Kubuntu and remove Snaps and there's your "KDE Mint".
>>108932070
Does ClamAV count? Sure, it scans files for viruses on command but there's nothing more than that. It doesn't hook into the system in any way.

>>108924120
I don't get why so many apps on linux let you build from source, what's the point of doing that?

>>108932806
How do you think those nice shiny binary packages get into your distro of choice?

>>108932789
>nothing but
SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR

I managed to get my own dad to start using Linux.

I think it's been eased by the fact that Windows 11 was like a "Linux offshoot of Windows" in terms of how much they changed the UI on him. Historically, my dad would've cried that "it's different, so I can't learn it," but Windows 11 already forced him to learn a new interface and, now, with Linux Mint he's basically returning to Windows 10 levels of comfort and familiarity so there hasn't been nearly as much complaints about it.

>>108932812
Yeah, but why build them yourself that's what I'm asking.

>>108932776
AI writes better code than most software devs

>>108932777
Gimp.org is hosting this file:
>https://www.gimp.org/.well-known/org.flathub.VerifiedApps.txt
Which contains this ID for the GIMP flatpak on Flathub:
>6169bfb2-16f3-4dfe-9771-3aadc01c1a69
So whoever controls Gimp.org is saying "yes that flatpak is from us". When they put their flatpak on Flathub they told Flathub to check for that file, and thus Flathub uses a tick to say "yes that website has said they control that flatpak".

See: https://docs.flathub.org/docs/for-app-authors/verification

>>108932777
"Verified" means the developer of the project is the one signing the application and pushing out updates. "Unverified" means a 3rd party is packaging the application and pushing it out to Flathub, which is pretty much the same as most software in your average distro repository. And unfortunately there isn't an "approved" tag for the developers who don't push their app on Flathub themselves, but they do tell users that the Flathub package is fine to use.

>>108924120
Is the Bluetooth issue a common one when using dual-booting or something? I tried linux mint and kubuntu yesterday, then my bluetooth speaker had no sounds switching back to windows. Am I supposed to just accept this?

>>108933103
This, even if something isn't verified it can still be legit as long as you look into what you're downloading, well known stuff like the Dolphin Emulator are technically not verified flatpaks but it's as legit as they come.

>>108924120
I have a snap of Chromium that doesn't use my custom cursor, how do I fix that? I remember I had the same problem for Brave on flatpak but that was easier to fix for some reason compared to snaps/chromium.

>>108933123
>well known stuff like the Dolphin Emulator are technically not verified flatpaks but it's as legit as they come.
Dolphin has an official flatpak which you can get from their website (they have their own flatpak repo - they don't distribute through Flathub). I use that one. The one on Flathub is not official.

The Flathub repo is
>https://dl.flathub.org/repo/
But Dolphin's repo is
>https://flatpak.dolphin-emu.org/releases

https://social.treehouse.systems/@barthalion/116657011366876079

>>108933123
>it's as legit as they come
Source?

>>108933174
Snaps are sandboxed or something like that, so the cursor will be different. E.g. the chromium snap uses the gnome-46 snap instead of using whatever system version of GNOME you may have installed.

Anyway, does it really matter if you see a standard cursor?

>>108933217
The Dolphin flatpak on Flathub is not official, but Dolphin has their own official flatpak repo, and their website shows you how to use it:
>flatpak remote-add --if-not-exists --user dolphin https://flatpak.dolphin-emu.org/releases.flatpakrepo
>flatpak install dolphin org.DolphinEmu.dolphin-emu
https://dolphin-emu.org/download/#flatpak

>>108933197
rip flathub

>>108932729
PipeWire just werks for me and was the last solved problem that helped me convert to Linux full-time. Before that I hated Pulseaudio and always had to fight with it to get it working or restart it when audio started to desync/delay.

>started restic backup on my nas through cockpit yesterday
>lost the session after waking up my PC today
Is there a way to check the status of the backup? I know it's still ongoing because of the HDD noise.

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>>108933516
Funny, MPV refuses to output audio over the pipewire interface, and I still don't know why.
If I use the pulseaudio server (provided by Pipewire) it works.
Make it make sense.

>>108933558
Maybe mpv is still wired to use Pulseaudio as a compatibility thing like Firefox? With its Pulseaudio emulation layer you don't really notice.

installed endeavoros, I was pretty shocked how all the apps I use and games I want to play are either running natively, or with proton or wine. save for some fonts being a bit busted, which was fixed by just looking at the archwiki. Realistically I'll keep a small windows boot around just in case but desu I'm overwhelmingly pleased with how smooth it's gone, not a total noob mind you as ubuntu is my daily driver at work and use debian for hosting game servers but i've always been 'what is the minimal effort required to handle 95%' of what I want, appears to be that now arch was the way but needed the heavy lifting done by something else. at this point it feels like any other distro, though who knows I might come to regret being so optimistic early

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>>108933565
Listen, the standard output is the pipewire output. No audio.
If I manually enter the command line argument to output to pulse instead (or append it in the config file of mpv), it works. Audio.
Even though the pulse server is provided by pipewire.
It makes no sense.

The kicker is that it had worked before but some update broke it. I don't remember which one though. And I don't want to go through all possible version combinations of Pipewire and mpv. No one else has this issue from what I can google, so I simply gave up and use the pulse output instead.

>>108933594
you're fine by just using pulse, most likely pipewire isn't configured to use pipewire and just pulseaudio, try this

mpv --ao=pipewire

>>108933178
>>108933245
>dolphin has it's own repo
Fuck that shit. I'll just keep using the Flathub version.

>>108933722
Why?

>>108933641
I told you three times now that it doesn't work.
It's the default configuration of mpv. Manually specifying the default on the command line doesn't do anything.

>>108933739
>what is "convenience"

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do I risk going down the Nix pipeline or do I stay where I am on the Arch pipeline?

>>108933789
Are you implying that a Flatpak delivered via a different repository to Flathub is somehow less convenient?
It behaves exactly the same after the initial setup to add the repo. Only difference is you might get updates a bit quicker via their own repository (i.e it may be a bit more convenient, not less)

>>108933833
Nix the worst distribution that I can't stop using. It has so many warts but I can't go back to a non-declarative system.

>>108930479
it's ok if you're salty about that but one has nothing to do with the other

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>>108928441
>5% faster than upstream Archlinux on average
https://www.phoronix.com/review/cachyos-thelio-major

>>108933907
>5% only on fp based workloads
>int based workloads see negligible difference

>>108933907
If it's an optimized version of Arch why does vanilla Arch win head to head like 40% of the time?

>>108933964
Yeah, it's not a messy win but it's not insignificant either.
>>108933973
I think Michael is just using the vanilla repos here so they're basically trading blows with each other. It would be interesting to see the x86_64_v4 repo used for CachyOS and Ubuntu (Ubuntu only has x86_64_v3 repos though, I think).

Basically, what you're seeing here is the differences in CachyOS's Mesa, Kernel and Python and some other packages they might re-build differently. Besides that it's just Arch trading blows with Arch.

>>108934006
*It's not a massive win (don't know where messy came from there)

Can i install games from gog-games.to in linux? How do i do that

bet the biggest noticeable difference would be in software rendering workloads like llvmpipe

>>108934024
Run the installer through a wine/proton frontend like Lutris or Bottles

>>108934024
You can run GoG installers into a Wine prefix to unload the files into it (through frontends like Lutris/Bottles) or umu-launcher (or its frontend Faugus Launcher.) Then you can run the .exe that was installed within the prefix.

>>108930627
Emacs' dired-mode

>>108933722
I prefer the official version especially since you just have to copy/paste a single command to add Dolphin's repo. To each their own though.

Is there another job scheduler besides Slurm for HPC that I should be made aware of?
Is there even a list?

best distro for running last unreal engine with nvidia?

>>108934796
any that lets you run: nvidia driver, wine, dxvk

>>108933879
>Are you implying that a Flatpak delivered via a different repository to Flathub is somehow less convenient?
Yes. Because I have to manually add repositories. Which is something I don't want to do especially when the app is already included in Flathub.

>>108934024
Bottles

>>108934796
>>108935089
I didn't know these are all distro specific.

>>108935198
They're not lol. It's all Linux

>>108928441
no-brainer if you have capable hardware, with KDE (both X11 and Proton Wayland), it's probably the closest performance-wise to a stripped down Windows 10 fresh install I've ever tested.

Question from someone who daily drives XFCE;

I want to switch to using Wayland, since scaling on X is pure torture. I tried just running the Wayland XFCE session from my DM, but it just gives me a black screen. I have a bit of an unusual setup here, as I use the Metacity WM instead of xfwm4.

Is anyone here rocking a similar setup, and refuses to use anything but XFCE, just like me? How did you use the Wayland flavor of XFCE without being stuck at a black screen?

>inb4 use [kde][gnome][hyprland]
kill yourself

>>108935978
use lxqt

>>108935978
I'm using Xfce x11 and after the nvidia driver blunder I don't want to use it any longer.
If Xfce has been certified to work with Wayland it should work but if it doesn't...
I'm currently on Fedora but 6+ months ago I tried Xfce on Wayland when I was using Arch and it always crashed too.

>>108935978
To add: I think you should use Xfce's own wayland compositor and not some 3rd party but this is just my guesstimation.

>>108935978
>desktop environment
ngmi
>>108935987
that reminds me, might test out kwin with lxqt.

>>108931117
>>108930660
Im the anon from last night asking about using mint on my laptop for uni. How useful is it for schoolwork and is there any specific software that will be helpful (premed)

>>108931219
This is the first I'm hearing that they dropped KDE almost ten years ago.

What's a package manager that will install from tar.gz from github, like this https://github.com/SulfurNitride/Fluorine-Manager

Tried this and it ask me to install every file separately.
https://github.com/marcosnils/bin

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>>108936831
none, there are any no specs in .tar.gz as its a generic compression format and the developer can package their shit in an arbitrary format

this .tar.gz already bundles binaries so you can extract and run ./fluorine-manager from the console, it'll run, see picrel

most likely archlinux has it in its AUR tho

>>108936939
>>108936831
yup, as expected

$ yay -Ss fluorine-manager
aur/fluorine-manager-bin 0.1.3-1 (+0 0.00) (Out-of-date: 2026-05-27) 
    A native Linux mod manager clone of MO2

Which Linux distro would you recommend now?

LocalSend or KDE Connect?

>>108936831
>https://github.com/SulfurNitride/Fluorine-Manager
AI slop. I wish MO2 had a proper native port, it's the only reason I'm stuck on Windows on my main PC.

>>108936955
Bazzite

>>108936983
KDE Connect

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>rsync dev discovers vibe coding
>people start experiencing issues on new versions (3.4.2 and afterwards)
reminder to pin to 3.4.1
I suppose this will start happening more often, as more devs give in to the sloppill.

>>108936955
Fedora Kinoite

>>108936939
>>108936954
I know it will run, I just want convenient way to update. I'm on fedora.
>>108936995
I've heard it runs fine though. It's ai port, so that a little better.
I found this gtk mod manager which seems cool but there is no stable release for now it seems.
https://github.com/Marc-Pierre-Barbier/ModManager

>>108937128
oh for fucks sake, is nothing sacred?

>>108936955
>Just works
Mint
Fedora / Fedora KDE if you want GNOME / KDE respectively.
>Want to tinker
Arch if you don't care about systemd
Gentoo if you want maximum control and the option to install a different init.

No reason to install anything else desu.

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>>108937281
apparently no. vibe-coding is the cult that will consume us all

>>108936379
LibreOffice, I think there is also another competing version but if you just look up LibreOffice or "Programs on Linux like like Microsoft Office" you'll find it.

>>108933516
I'm pretty sure I'm using PipeWire and I'm pretty sure it does not "just werk". But I'm inclined to think that its a hardware compatibility problem.

>>108931592
>Unix permissions
Does that require you to actually do something, or are those permissions are configured by default on installation on CachyOS? Also is that basically the "enter password to let program do something" equivalent?

>>108936955
This >>108937136 but Aurora because why install drivers and codecs manually

>>108937377
Idk how people think vibe coding is acceptable for applications to with any kind of nuance. Like, you're doing low level IO and filesystem manipulation with C. It's not enough for the solution to look right. In fact there are infinite solutions which probably look more right than the correct solution, except they actually fuck you in the ass.

>>108937492
Any executable file you download or access through external storage doesn't have execution permissions by default. Even if it did, accessing anything outside your home directory requires root privileges so it can't fuck up your system and can only fuck up your user files. That's basically it.
And yes, every Linux OS behaves this way.

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>>108937492
>>108937526
>Any executable file you download or access through external storage doesn't have execution permissions by default
>doesn't have execution permissions by default
>external storage
>doesn't have
Any system I ever used defaults to HAVING execution permissions.

/dev/sdf1 on /run/media/anon/Canon type exfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,uid=1000,gid=1000,fmask=0022,dmask=0022,iocharset=utf8,errors=remount-ro,uhelper=udisks2)

That's an exFAT formated SD card I just sticked in. fmask and dmask filter out the write permissions from group and others, leaving executable in place.

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how does it know how many appimages i have on my system?

>>108938714
Are they all in ~/Applications?

>>108938741
no. i made a folder called AppImages for them.

>>108938714
Do you use an appimage launcher? That's the only thing I can think of. I have a few appimages and I don't use a launcher and they don't show up in neofetch.

>>108938829
i have the appimageupdatetool and that is all. i just search for the appimage names via my start menu so no launcher or anything.

>>108937201
since you're fine with AI, have one make you a shell script to do that for you

>>108937511
it's especially bad if its in rsync, something millions of people depend on daily. start worrying when it reaches curl.

>>108937128
fuck can't find a termux package archive like i could for arch

XFCE is amazing but why in the actual fuck can it not into scaling or right clicking a folder and sharing it over the network in 2026? In bloatbuntu or Bloatimmon's Nemo it works, You would think that would be a prime feature considering XFCE is for low power situations where an old computer would be used for network storage.

>>108939330
>why can't this DE that's made by 2 people do the same thing as GNOME and KDE which are backed by corporations, have 100 developers and have millions of USD of funding
Gee, I wonder why?

why the fuck can't Dolphin mount a CD image?

>>108939388
Dolphins are often bad with computers

>>108939352
Not only is the development limited, but you can't complain about what is pretty much the most minimal and light DEs not having features, it's like complaining that a racecar doesn't have A/C, a radio, or even door handles, it's because it's made to be fast, XFCE is a racecar DE, GNOME and Cinnamon are high performance luxury cars, it's fast but it might weigh 4200 lbs where the XFCE car weighs 2400 lbs.

>>108939388
You need a mounting plugin like FUSE Mount or CD Emu

I like nobara. It can be janky at times, but ultimately easy to use.

>>108930627
As a cisgender man, I use my mouse all the time, but I still use
>dir
>mkdir
>rmdir
>rm -f *
>cd

>>108939330
Sharing a folder via SMB by right clicking it on some file manager achtually requires quite a lot of extra parts under the hood.

>>108939880
why is it an option then?

>>108939892
It's not an option on XFCE

>>108939900
i think it is on cinnamon and gnome and doesn't work there too

>>108939903
It works on cinnamon and GNOME as long as Samba is installed, I'm on mint and when you first share a folder it will tell you samba needs to install and asks for password.

>>108939914
last time (20.something release) it didn't work for me. so i never tried. i setup an nas since then so i haven't tried since.

>>108939922
Yeah I've only been on Mint since 21.3 but it's super seamless when Samba is installed when viewing the properties of a folder.

>>108930627
i use fish

>>108939754
>cisgender
it's getting woke in here

>>108930627
if you have nvim you can get nvim-tree plugin that let's you browse your files in nvim.

>having a display plugged into a NAS
doing it wrong btw

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I suppose I should of asked this here instead of the stupid questions thread but:
Not really sure how to word this for google but I have a wacky thing happening on linux. every day or 2 I have to restart x11 because some programs no longer open and when I do something like trying to open up a picture in discord in my browser it just doesnt open. If I restart x11 or my pc it all goes back to normal. It might be related to an issue I had last month that went away where sometimes when my monitors go to sleep and I turn them back on my desktop doesnt load but I can still see my cursor which would be fixed by restarting x11 or the computer.

>>108939892
idk lol
Just saying it's not an obvious to have feature.
>>108940225
I have a display plugged into a router that displays the current Wi-Fi QR-code.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNpmB1heEF0

>>108940628
These people are insufferable

>>108940628
It feels pretty obvious that Linus is funded by big tech so naturally he'd try to make getting into Linux look hard.

>>108940733
Linus was a noughties gamer so he only cared about Windows and never tried Linux

>Filesystem type ntfs not configured in kernel.
i know the solution is to install ntfs-3g, but why is this issue happening if my kernel is 7.0.9-arch2-1?

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>>108940628
reminder that this is the guy that did pic related and then cried that his pc was broken