Why are CS students so fucking retarded? I went to a T20, just graduated, and I'd say maybe ~25% of my peers were actually competent, being generous. And I was taking all real, rigorous classes. Algorithms, OS, networking, math. I can't imagine how bad it is in the slop classes. Is it AI? I didn't use AI except as a syntax reference. Is it Indians?
>>108924228Sol Leonina Pais was an English and Arts student thoughbeit.
>>108924262Damn, and an Alice in Chains fan at that! I could've saved her bros...
It's not AI. I graduated before AI. People were in literal tears week 2 burying their head in the keyboard over having to write a program that converts fahrenheit to celcius in C.
>>108924271>>108924228so weird she's a teen in these photos yet she looks like 30
>>108924276At a T20?
I mean you probably went to a shitty private school or a state school for retards. When I was in college 6 years ago in an actually respected university, basically all students were absolutely top tier. Including myself ofc. I didn't study computer science, but basically everyone else was so I made some friends there.Everyone was good at what they were doing.
>>108924292I don't know what that means, I'm not American. I'm gonna assume this means "top 20 schools in the United States". I went to a top 5 university in the UK for computer science
>>108924292I think it's some kind of car
>>108924293It's absolutely a respected university for CS. It is a state school though.
>>108924298Yeah top 20.>top 5 UK CSSeems similar. Wow yeah so people are just retarded then.
>>108924298That's not a common American phrase. I've never heard it.
>>108924305>state school though.Just like I said KEK!
>>108924317You said >shitty state schoolThere are lots of good state schools. I can only imagine you went to Stanford or Caltech with the way you're talking lol
>>108924278Too many cocks and probably some islamic influence make you old and stupid as fuck
>>108924331apparently she was a true blue femcel, the type that would make even the most stone cold truecel blush. plus idk what islamic influence you're even referring to her wikipedia page says her parents were Argentine
>>108924323Well, 25% competency is what I would expect from an average state school. And even the "good" state schools as you call them is full of retards, just like I implied in my first post.
>>108924349Caltech, Harvard, Stanford, CMU?Wait...Cornell?
why are you walking around and around, clown?
>>108924349Did you go to one of these twenty colleges? Yes or no?
>>108924228>be me>be student>physics class>test gets announced>two whores beg teacher they want some memory question>test hits>doing calculations einstein would be proud of>results come in>whores got ZERO calculations right>still get worse grades than whores because i didnt perfectly quote a random paragraph out of a book word by word despite understanding and being able to explain and calculate all the shitfuck this, i'm out
>>108924278>so weird she's a teen in these photos yet she looks like 30it's because she shaved off her eyebrows and drew them back on like some cheap old whore with thinning eyebrows
>>108924368I went to number 7, but I didn't get a CS degree
>>108924314Uni and college is marketed for everyone when it's just a select few that actually should go for higher education.Nowdays it's just what's expected to get a job, when it's really not.
>>108924228>>108924262>>108924271>>108924278Who is this and why are you posting her?
>>108924696Ask a chatbot.
>>108924755I don't use LLMs
>>108924228Welcome to real life
>>108924228> maybe ~25% of my peers were actually competentIt was like that before 2022 also.
>>108924666It's kinda harsh though. When it comes to CS there should be some kind of a primary filter to not waste so much of students' time and money, but what am I saying, of course them wasting money on Uni is a good thing for Uni.
>>108924228>just graduatedmy condolences
>>108924228You don't need to be at the top of a class.You just need to be able to talk to people and be amiable if you want a career.No one cares if you can do math or junior programming slightly better than some other fag.People are just going to be using AI anyway.
>>108924228>Why are CS students so fucking retarded?most studentes chose their career based on projected earnings and aren't passionate
>>108924856AI makes skill matter all the more. No need for a shitty programmer when Claude is right there
>>108924228>I'd say maybe ~25% of my peers were actually competentThat's about the number who actually graduate, and not just in CS but in general.
>>108924610EhUW isn't that prestigious outside of CS
>>108924298Yes top 20, but honestly thats irrelevant. The quality of CS curriculum isn't significantly different between the top and mid tier colleges. You go to "T20"s for the connections. Otherwise, its the same course work.
>>108924368>based on faculty publications at selective conferencesthat metric is irrelevant unless you want to get into academia lol
>>108924228Wait till you get a job in enterprise lol
>>108924228The people that should be doing CS are currently doing Calculus, physics, applied mathematics, astrophysics and so on. The people that are doing CS, are weirdoes that are too retarded to function with other people, and believe being weak and pathetic and awkward equates to being smart, and they are really smug about it.
>>108924228more women and minorities in the field will fix this
>>108926436>that (((schnoz)))
>>108924368Change it to world. Are there any non-US?
>>108926400How else would you even judge the quality of institutions?
>>108926436Your world view is a bit skewed as well.> doing Calculus, physics, applied mathematics, astrophysics and so onMostly foreigners who will be used up and thrown away. If we're talking about American dream that is. In other countries this stuff is done by people who are rich, have rich parents, if we're talking Europe. They can afford to not work a day in their life and just do math and astrophysics all life, because they life it and want their name in a book or something. Then there is a super tiny fraction of people who are of random lineage, but they are immensely talented, so they are literally shoved in there. And then the rest of it. Just random borderline idiots, same as in CS field. Education is not free. If it's free, remember that there's nothing free, it means the taxpayer pocket is used for that, more students = more money.>The people that are doing CS, are weirdoes that are too retarded to function with other peopleThat is a stereotype. In reality most people are like that. Retarded, sick in the haed and can barely funciton with other people.> believe being weak and pathetic and awkward equates to being smartAnother stereotype, but that one is very grounded, barely a stereotype. An expert in an obscure niche is almost always that kind of person. They don't care too much about anything besides their passion and are perceived that way by others. And so amongs others there would be people inspired by them, but they do not necessarily have any talent, they mostly just larp.
>>108926480Probably Waterloo would be towards the bottom quarter of the list.
>>108924228Ability is not equally distributed. The best 25% typically have more of it than everyone else combined.
>>108924228It was like this before AI.A lot of people who have no business doing anything technical see CS as an easy way to get a good job. Or at least they used to.CS programs let in a lot of chattel that shouldn't be there, for a lot of political/diversity/bullshit reasons.
CS is actually pretty hard. You gotta learn a lotta words and then actually get your brain into algorithm making mode. Then you gotta imagine what the computer is doing. Sometimes I'm glad I'm self taught, school puts pressure on all of it
>>108926436You need to learn calculus for a CS degree anon
>>108924228>Why are CS students so fucking retarded?Because most people are only in it for money and not passion. Its funny because there will be no money in it soon.
>>108924696Born in 2001, she didn't get the experience the fall of the Twin Towers
>>108927162This.There were so many people when I was in uni that didn't have any interest in actually studying computation or learning anything about computers, they just thought "computers are thr future, so that's where all the jobs are".
>>108924228>Algorithms, OS, networking, mathwow you took the mandatory classes that every cs student takes i'm sure the hr ladies will be very impressed with you
>>108924228Any videos of her going tinkle?
zoomers are retarded
>>108924228why is that dude wearing a choker?
if universities had acutal requirements there would be 0 black people, if you want black people at a university graduation means literally nothing
>>108929409>acutal
>>108929512typos are a sign of erudism in the post-llm world
>>108929521Stop trying to excuse your illiteracy
>>108929255
>>108929409There were not many blacks at my college, at least in CS. And they were all the quiet autistic nerd of middling intelligence type
>>108924228The difference between 10 and 20 is far far larger than between 1 and 10.t. ties for 1, at least when i was there
>>108924316its a jeet doing jeet things. they do this all the time at my work. it is 100% jeets, 100% of the time.
>>108924228You could have saved her /g/. She only needed a friend to talk with.
>>108930484>when I was thereWhich is when?
>>108930486More of an East Asian thing desu
>>108930533im old, you dont need to remind me
>>108924298American. Never heard of T20.Fuck europeans.
>>108930610What do you do now? FAANG? Retired?Anyways we can't directly compare because you went there a while ago. It's possible most people used to be competent at my college.
>>108930622still working. i turn 50 later this year.
>>108930644>turn 50Yeah I'm not sure how much your experience is applicable to mine. Nowadays applications are extremely competitive but paradoxically students are becoming less competent. >workingWhat do you do?
>>108924228ask yourself "what does a SWE need to survive in the industry TODAY". do they need to know algorithms" maybe some cloud computing knowledge? how about inner workings of neural networks? NOPE. if you can PROMPT you can WIN. college is a pipeline to industry and right now winning mans PUMPING OUT CODE, no matter how fucking stupid you are.
>>108930662>winning is when you bullshit and cover your assKill yourself
>>108930656i am aware. i weed out a lot of people with questions about binary search.my management has decided that my best value add these days is to be senpai, and i guess im good at it. the guys ive taken under my tutelage have had very successful careers.i worked too hard years ago and hurt the nerves in my arms, so actual software dev from me is a few short bursts spread across the day. use the damn ergo equipment before its too late for you.
>>108930662soap, to start with
>>108930715>questions about binary searchThere's no way dude. I don't even practice leetcode and I've been able to do every hard I try and I haven't found a job.>so actual software dev from me is a few short bursts spread across the dayI was more asking what type of development you do lol
>>108930752you might do better if you stopped talking like a bitch.>i don't evengrown men don't talk like this.
>>108930766Yeah that's the reason I'm not getting interviews lol
>>108930669have you worked in corpoland? that's al it is
It's narcissism. Maybe social media fueled. If you think you've "made it" and are "smart" then what motivation do you have to actually be those things. I legitimately think this is a large part of why so many normies are straight up retards.
>>108924228In my 4th-year CS classes I was still seeing people using laptops with preinstalled bloatware like McAfee. I think it's moreso a complete lack of interest in their degree beyond the salary they expect to earn, which is an attitude that AI is only going to make worse.
>>108929072>suicideWHYYY
>>108931424SWE are just people who speak additional languages and can solve puzzles with it.it doesn't mean they have an interest in every single aspect of computing, most of them don't even build their own pc's or understand what is important about each part, they just know how to code in specific languages.they're more well versed in things like ergonomic shit like chairs and desks than the PC, it's just a tool to get the job done.
>>108924228Like >>108924276says it was like that in my time as well. A big reason is because tech had already become known as a big-money career path, so many people went in there for this reason. There were also quite a few mathfags who thought "I do math so I'm smarter than everyone else!11" who would go in and fail to understand loops then pigheadedly redo the intro class 4 semesters in a row before giving up on the program.I was told by my juniors that after that there was also a lot of DEI-induced influx of people belonged there even less (trannies mostly, women but not as much). Basically the problem is actually MBAs infesting the tech workforce, only employing jocks and specifically rejecting nerds and geeks because "ewww icky I wouldn't have a beer with those", and making the most craptastic "tech" decisions you could possibly think of. In turn, this is the kind of things people need to learn in college, and it's the dumbest most untechy people who are visible to the outside world in "tech positions", so that's how the same kind of person is attracted to cs programs.Another thing: 25% is a very high rate. Normally it's more like 10% at best in CS. In other programs, it's far worse. In biology generally about 99.5% of the class is next-level retarded for example. In math and physics it's about 5% that are competent, and those usually go to finance firms as soon as they graduate. That kind of thing is everywhere.
>>108931526In my experience over 50% of math majors were competent. I was also a math major lol. The math major was smaller, with more whites and east Asians, and people were more genuinely interested in it.
>>108926481He's right. The fact about publications is that they're not based on the quality of the paper, or on if the results are even real at all, but purely on recognition, because the publishers want to have more views so that they get more people (institutions) to pay for them on that metric. Thus they don't care how good or bad or false or real the results are, only if the name will attract eyes.It's very hard to properly judge the quality of an institution while stripping this cofounding factor. For example you have exactly the same problem if you look at where graduates go, it's all driven by notoriety/connections and not by quality. You also can't use standardized testing for this, because top schools, in an attempt to max their ranking, will directly teach students how to max out the test, instead of teaching them how to understand the coursework. This is actually already happening and is a big reason why tier 2 schools typically have much better programs (in terms of you will learn a lot more and be far more efficient in the next steps in your life) than tier 1 schools (however, you will not have the connections, which is unfortunately the only thing that matters in life).
>>108931548>In my experience over 50% of math majors were competent.Very doub->I was also a math major lol.That explains everything.I rest my case.
>>108931576Were you a math major?
>>108931581Math minor. And for good reasons: mathfags were some of the dumbest people I interacted with. The best part is when the prof starts the first lecture with 'we have 3 people who aren't in a math major in this class, this is the hardest math class with around a 25% pass rate among math buffs so you guys will suffer'. What actually happened was I ranked 2nd in the class, the other two non-mathfags ranked respectively 1st and 3rd. Only reason I didn't rank higher was because I didn't have time to go to any class in the 2nd half so I didn't do well on the final.He was also true to his words about the pass rate of mathfags. But the best part was the hilariously wrong answers mathfags gave during lectures. Just lmao.
>>108931669Not my experience at all. CS students are ten times more retarded. Could just be that CS was really popular and high paying around 2021.
>>108931676It's absolutely possible that the people getting into cs programs nowadays changed radically compared to those from my time. For example I heard about how everyone's cheating with ai and not doing homework and shit like that, which would have been unthinkable in my days -- first because at least half of the people in the program were actual nerd types still, and actually enjoyed doing the work, second because cheats couldn't gloat about it loudly and be rewarded or praised for it so there was no clout to gain.But it's also unthinkable that anyone smart would go into physics or math or whatnot, as anyone with a brain would know there is no career path there if you're not born rich. The boomers used to tell us that math and physics fags got hired in high paying positions and were more valued than cs grads in programming jobs, but that had never actually been true. Nowadays everyone knows that those types can't hello world without a segfault unironically, so these degrees are seen as a large negative in most orgs hiring for tech. There are a few notable exceptions, such as fintech, of course. But people pursuing this path would know they are best served by going straight into a fintech program instead.
>>108931728Most of the math majors I knew were double majors of some sort. Nobody goes into it for the money. That's why I think they were more intelligent. You wouldn't get a math major if you didn't just like math. And you generally don't like math if you're stupid. And a math/cs double major will be better for you than just a cs major.
>>108931728>fintech programA what?
>>108931744I don't consider double majors as math majors, as I consider that the math part of the double major was there for general interest and the other part of their major was what they were actually going after for professional reasons. In my experience those types also chiefly behave in the stereotypes of the non-math major, they don't behave at all like those who take a pure math major.Sorry if that wasn't clear.But your assessment is completely wrong. The vast majority of my math classes was composed of people doing purely a math major, not a double major.
>>108931761>The vast majority of my math classes was composed of people doing purely a math major, not a double major.Not true for me, so our experiences just aren't comparable it seems.
>>108924228stupidity is the norm. Youve been misled if you think otherwise.
>>108924368woah, san diegos 3? Yeah I went there; had no idea it was so high.not OP btw; OP sounds like a tool
>>108931772That can also explain why you found a lot more non-retarded mathfags in your classes (beyond your own obvious biases :^))
>>108931802The UCs have really been falling apart academically (for undergrads) since they removed standardized testing.https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/media/unprepared-college-students-forced-relearn-middle-school-mathematics-california-professors-reveal.amp
>>108931811I have no bias. CS had far more retards.
>>108930766> you might do better if you stopped talking like a bitch.>grown men don't talk like thisI love you.
>>108931819I retract what I said. It seems my initial impression was indeed correct. Mathfags, not even once.
>>108930752You can't "do a hard". You have to do a hard in the most optimal way possible (that's the part that makes them hard vs medium, not just solving them) within 45 minutes from the time you open the assignment to the time you turn in the final solution (i.e. including reading/interpretation time). Not all hards are created equal, but given the solution you must implement for many of them is the subject of an entire PhD thesis, you absolutely did not do what you think you did.
>>108931864I look up the optimal solutions afterwards and they're always the same as the ones I think of ;)
>>108931870Totally bro :)
>>108931874Did you not take algorithms in college?
>>108931882Nice of you to so succinctly admit you were larping lmao
>>108931982Leetcodes are literally just homework/exam problems from my algorithms class and I got an A in algorithms I don't know what to tell you man
>>108931996Yup totally. Entire math PhD theses are just freshman homework. You got it, Timmy!
>>108932020Leetcode? Math PhD? Are you high?>freshmanNot freshman, senior level algorithms. But still definitely undergrad.
>>108932033The optimal solution for some of the leetcode hards are the result of math PhD theses. The fact you think it's the algorithm homework you're used to means you have never tried anything beyond an easy, or have never actually solved any of them optimally. The more you double down, the more hilarious it is, so please, keep posting.
>>108932045Can you please point me to said problems and theses?
>>108932045You know that undergraduates learn things from other people's PhD theses, right?
>>108932053One requires that you reinvent manacher's algorithm. Another, ukkonen's algorithm. Several are based on the z function. Several also based on tarjan. Some ask you to reinvent the eertree algorithm, which was first published by math researchers in 2015.Also, those are questions about reinventing, rather than using, the algorithm.
>>108932179follow my algorithm. take the empire to its greatest extents. build a random column. piss off the jews so much that to this day, they say "may his bones be crushed" after they speak your name. do it, lads.the glory of rome is forever.
