Europoor here, I can't with that fucking heat anymore + my PC heating up to 85°C all day turning my room in a sauna, so I'm getting a portable AC unit. What are the good options? 15 years ago I heard these were not worth it, but there has to be good models now, right? Budget is 300-750€
>>108927504https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-mBeYC2KGc
>>108927504If you want to properly bring down indoor temp then these portable ones fucking suck, if you just want to cool down your general area (have the thing blow where you are sitting so you are comfy) then they are very effective. Wall unit > window Unit > floor unit
>>108927504It's basically impossible to get a good portable AC in Europe - we only get the shit single-hose models. The best options that don't involve a proper installation are either to convert a single-hose model to dual-hose, or get a portable split AC like the Midea Portasplit.
>>108927504>What are the good options?there are none. buy some headphones too because they are noisy af.make sure you buy one with the window seal thing and keep your door and window closed.they suck but they are a life saver.weve gotten away with not having ac for too long.
>>108927504What's your ambient room temperature? I think a proper split AC unit will be the best option. These floor-standing models are not as efficient since the condenser is sitting inside the room, but they do have the benefit of pulling in fresh air from outside which the split AC doesn't do.
>>108927504>portabletheyre all shit, loud, inefficient and obnoxious. Split is so much betterPortable splits do exist but theyre still kinda shit
>>108927504>>108927543>single hoseYeah, they're trash. Why even waste your time? Get dual hose or don't waste your money.
>>108927504I have a mobile on from DeLonghi with a single hose. Make sure you have a proper window seal. The one that came with the AC doesn't work on german engineering windows where you're supposed to use the roller shutter cause the window frame is in the way of the hose exhaust.
>>108927610get this type with two separate ducts
>>108927504i don't get it, why don't you just turn on your air conditioner with your main thermostat that's outside the hall bathroom?
>>108927643How is it supposed to help? Instead of underpressure (which presumably pulls air from all areas, incl shaded ones, or cooler corridor if you’re in an apartment) you just grab air from the outside which is probably even hotterSplit works because it has two devices. A single unit with two pipes seems like marketing
>>108927504They're not really worth it, no. The only one I used was extremely loud, but the kind you posted is also inefficient since it uses cooled air from your room to blow the heat outside. That's obviously counter-productive. You should at least get the kind with 2 ducts, but I heavily recommend just getting a mini-split with an inverter. They're very effective and quiet, the compressor isn't in your room.
>>108927683one pipe models do this: they cool the air but then suck in some of that cool air back into the unit to dump the heat from the condenser and throws the hot air outside. this also creates negative pressure in your room, so air from other rooms will seep into your cold room. in two pipe models, air from outside is pulled into the unit, some of which is cooled by the evaporator and released into your room (positive pressure). the other half of the pulled in air is used to expel the hot air from the condenser outside, so no cold air is wasted in the process.
>>108927671>we dont have that in germany
>>108927504I'll give you my personal protip.https://www.amazon.de/-/en/dp/B0D8SDSZNVcurrently costs 290 euros after applying the voucher, but it as good as a 600 euro AC.It's quiet, efficient and cools strongly, what more do you want.Based as fuck chinks.You'll also need a window kit to properly seal the exhaust. Then you're good to go.If you do homeoffice or you're unemployed, you can also get a dynamic energy plan to save big bucks of electricity cost. Every time it's hot, it's because the sun shines. When the sun shines, renewable energy is plentiful and that makes energy cheap as fuck. At least here in Germany.
I just take of my clothes. Works every time.
>>108927504As mentioned ITT plenty of times already portable AC is shit but it's way less shit than it was 15 years ago.I have a 12 year old Sharp at home and a 5 year old no-name that someone randomly picked up from a hardware store at my office.And the no-name is both way quieter and way more powerful.I even consider replacing the Sharp but I feel it's too much of a waste to dispose of a still working machine that I only use a few weeks per year.
>>108927504>>108927764Looked it up and this is what I'm quite happy with:"EUROM Mobiele airco CoolPerfect 180"https://www.hornbach.nl/p/eurom-mobiele-airco-coolperfect-180-met-wifi-18000-btu-h-5-2-kw/4684154/Yeah still inefficient but really not as shit as those things used to be.
got a standalone used from some fucker a few years ago, probably 15yrs old at this point, worth every penny, sure its a shitty tube out the window job but it keeps me cool in the summer and the FAT CHUD landlord pays for the electricity
>>108927683>>108927738>some of which is cooled by the evaporator and released into your room (positive pressure).Is that really how they work?I always assumed they worked exactly like a split unit, ie with two completely separate "loops" one circulating indoor air which gets cooled and another circulating outdoor air (via the hoses) which gets heated?If it cools outdoor air doesn't that severely limit how cold it can get since it can't cool the same air again and again like a split unit does?
I just got a fan, Ik ik its just blowing hot air around or whatever but it still feels cool in the immediate vicinity
I just ordered this one yesterdayNever heard of the brand but it's a pretty reputable seller here.. They can't deliver before tuesday, when the heatwave will have passed but I just want to have one ready for the next heatwave. Jeez it's may and 30° outside at 8PM
>>108927819I wanted to congratulate you on winning all those medals but then I realized they're just straps.
>>108927856It looks exactly like the one I linked in >>108927750 just as a recolor with a white top and different logo.So it's probably really good too.
>>108927504Anon, you are fucked. I know the pain, when you are sitting in your german NEET room and you have to endure 1 month of heat. I had a room with the window facing the south, It was painful and I had 30c room temp.Get Window Foil / Sun blocking Foil / Heat blocking foil. This is the best thing you can do. And just use your Fan, let it blow in your face. Undervolt your GPU, only use your PC when you need to. You can browse 4chin on a Laptop/Phone.I hate fucking Germany "We don't need AC for 4 weeks of Heat" Fuck that bullshit. Yes, our heaters are goated, winters are nice and cozy, but the summer is fucking aids. Also, open your windows in 3 hours.
>>108927887yeah pic isn't that great sorry, i had to save an avif and convert it.. best I can do but I pasted model number in the pic name
There are no good options. It's all single hose shit. So you need to engineer a second hose with an attachment (cardboard box usually works ok) to get an intake hose. That said if you are autistic enough they work reasonably well.
>>108927923>had to save an avif and convert itprotip: there are browser plugins that let you save images as jpeg/png directly.
>look for double hose here in europoor>everything is singleis at least this "inverter" somehow useful?
>>108927943Inverter means it'll throttle the cooling to keep a constant temperature instead of turning on and off periodically. This is considered a good thing.
>yurofag>live in a socialized housing apartment>"We don't allow external AC units, please understand">"Oh btw we don't even allow sun blinds/awning to be installed">die of heat strokenot even kidding, death rates always skyrocket at these temperatures and nobody seems to give a shit.
>>108927960ok this sounds useful, thanks. I guess if it has to be single hose I'll get a inverter then.
fuck the heatany retard saying global warming is a lie can lick my sweaty ballsack
>>108927504just put the fridge in your room and leave it open, GG
>>108927504Just quit stressing about the heat. Accept it as a fact of life you can't change. Once you stop fighting it won't be nearly as uncomfortable anymore.You know how if you get attacked by bat and focus on the pain it goes away? Do that, but for temperature.
This is how you do it
Or this
>>108927504Midea PortaSplit, thank me later.
>>108927504It makes me so happy that Europeans are getting wiped off the face of earth.
>Install air-to-air heatpump>Warms in winter>Cools in summerIt's expensive and a bitch to install unless you're already somewhat handy and you still can't do the cooling liquids anyway without hiring a dude. I'd just settle for the quietest inverter floor AC you can get. My parents got a relatively cheap one and the compressor kicking in wakes me up if I use it where I sleep.
>>108927504Can't you get a split-system? I installed mine a few years ago, all on my own. Got myself a vacuum pump and a manometer etc. It's cheaper than to call a technician, but it will take a solid full days to have it installed and patch the damaged interior, ideally 2 people should be doing this, not one.These portable ones are an ad-hoc solution, they sub par in terms of efficiency.
>>108928005Well, now that you mentioned it... If you were to put a fridge in a doorway, completely seal the doorway and open the fridge, that gives you a valid air con. More or less. Make sure you put a fan from both sides to blow air for faster heat exchange.Sucks to be in that other room.
>>108927683>Split works because it has two devices.it *is* two devices just in one "convenient" package. all these things work exactly the same.>you just grab air from the outside which is probably even hotterwhich goes through the compressor and back outside. you need hot air for it, so it's better to use the already hot air from outside, than cooler indoor air, heat it up more and replace it with more warm air.
>>108928082Two issues, we don't have the slide up windows in most cases, so the units sitting in a window won't work here. And second, since our walls aren't made of wood, but bricks or concrete, drilling through an outer wall is a major ordeal. You definitely won't be allowed to do it as a renter either.
Thanks you all for the answer, I would like to go for the split unit but I just signed for an apartment that has no balcony so I'm just screwed. I'll try to get a 2 hose model but once again the windows have vertical hinges so you can't seal them properly. Fuck my euro life
>>108927504Get a heatpump like everyone in the nördics, the models everyone buys these days have ac. They're great, heating in the winter and ac in summer.
>>108927504DO NOT BUY A SINGLE HOSE PORTABLE AIR CONDITIONER. IT IS USELESS.GET A DUAL HOSE. DO NOT CARE HOW MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE IT IS
>>108927991The hilarious part is this attitude is why eurocucks aren't allowed to have proper ac. Literally your own worst enemy
>>108928218the only ones who doesn't are the ones in the middle like germany, the south have had ac for decades and everyone in the north have installed heat pumps over the last ten years since the germs have made the electricity insanely expensive here with their retarded energy politics. And the heat pumps works as ac in the summer.
>>108927504Maybe start with moving your pc into another room.
>>108927504Euro here, mobile aircons suckSecond, this summer so far is not that extreme, below 30 most of the day. And it's no real heatwave so nights cool down a lot so you can use them to vent&cool down your entire house at night with like one fan and a open window on the south and north side of your house.
>>108928238>the southnot my experience, but desu where im from the construction lacks so much insulation that an AC is not really necessary in the summer
>>108928242>neet who lives with his parents who hate him for not growing up trying to move stuff out of his roomNot going to happen.
>>108928251summer hasnt even started lil bro
>>108928280That's what i'm pretty much saying my friend who lacks Comprehensive reading. It's not even a heatwave yet, call me back when it's 1 week of +35 for most of the afternoon.
>>108927504>portable AC unit>the good optionslol, buy a long Active Optical HDMI cable and put your pc in another room instead
>>108928302It's the case in France already, and it's genuinely making me sick
>>108928190You can't just buy AC in an apartment building in Europe without the approval of your neighbors, are you crazy? Those things are fucking loud, especially the portable ones with the hoses.
>>108927504Brazilian option to cool you off before you get the actual AC:>bucket of ice>wet towel>cheap fan>connect them as shown in picrel>???>PROFIT
>>108928216It makes the room cool(er).That's not useless.
>>108928302since saturday until this saturday
Do Euro cars have air conditioning?
>>108928406This doesnt generate cold, it just adds humidity to the room without lowering the temp. You're better off using the fan directly on yourself witout the bucket and towel
>>108928521It's common but not universal>>108928523Evaporative cooling is a thing
nazi hereI bought a one-hose unit and DIY'd it into a 2hose unit in like 15 minutesworks really wellI might just buy the midea one though
>>108928533>Evaporative cooling is a thingevaporative cooling will just make the surface that's being cooled cooler, it displaces the heat from the surface to the room.So if you want to feel cooler, sure, put water on yourself and sit in front of the fan. but that towel bucket trick willl just make the towel cooler and the room hotter.
I have a single hose mobile air conditioner and a French window and it works fine. Glass temperature is 35°C and living room is 17°C.
>>108928554https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evaporative_cooler
>>108928406Dunno what to tell you, bro. Works on our brazilian heat. It's from the same minds that brought out our electric showers, so it probably looks like magic to yuropeans.
>>108927643You can literally just duct tape a box and a 6" or 8" flexible duct to the intake on the back of a single unit and get 95% of the effect of these dual hose unit for half the price.
>>108927504https://youtu.be/n3AxK8cbElk
>>108928521never seen a car without one
>>108927504A crate of beer is cheaper, and AC was only really wanted for a day or so.
>>108928627This is the cope of a europoor. Once you experience the power of AC you'll want it all the time.
>>108928565yeah that's what i described to you. it transfers the heat on the towel as evaporated humidity in the room. Useless.
How about this shit? enough for a room? its 450€
>>1089286486700 BTU / 1,9 kW whatever that means.The midea portasplit is 1000€ and 12000BTU and huge
>>108927504I'm getting 2 wall mounted ACs tomorrow for £4400. probably a waste of money but will feel worth it in the next heat wave
>>108928554> displaces the heat from the surface to the roomNope. As air passes through whatever wet thing they use in those coolers, it is being stripped off it's thermal energy by the water molecules that evaporate. They don't only cool the surface, but everything they come in contact with, including the air itself.So air gets colder from just passing thgough that cooler, through wet cloth or whatever. It does increase humidity though. Ideal for a dry climate, so it just makes air normal. Does not work well in already normal climate, because it will not evaporate for shit, even if it would, that would make air very damp and you would struggle cooling yourself off. So> put water on yourself and sit in front of the fanwould not fucking work if you made the air saturated with water. And it sucks.
>>108928588I might genuinely do that and chinkmaxx on the model>>108928591this will scare the hoes
It's only western europeans who hate ACHere in eastern europe I have never lived in an apartment that didn't come with one in my 35 yearsI have my minisplit turned on 24/7 from april to octoberAlso building a house right now and it's going to have central ducted AC installed in the attic
>>108927504>What are the good options?None of them. Get a window unit.
with portable split units how do you avoid letting in insects and spiders when you dont have a sliding window
>>108928813it's actually ridiculous how all the thirdies have air conditioners but in Germany it costs $2000 for a split AC + $600,000 house because your landlord won't allow it + $0.33 / kWh of electricity making it unaffordable for us
>>108928883You're supposed to use a window seal kit for efficiency anyway. As a side effect it also seals insects.
>>108928885it's only useful 2 weeks per year here unlike india or philipines or texas where you'd die without it all 6 months per year
>>108928894does it also seal top and bottom (triangle) parts? my door to the balcony is tall
>>108928885see>>108927743
>>108928894Never seen that one before. It's ugly as fuck.I have both split and portable. Portable as backup, when I run it, I shove the duct in the balcony door, which is opened in a vertical mode (American mind cannot comprehend it, I know) so there's enough clearance to place that ductape. And I just use winter blankets to isolate it. Shove it in all the remaining holes to block the hot air. Done.
>>108927844i think you're right and the other guy is talking shit
>>108928913yeah they do
almost there, ladswe made it through the worst of it
>>108927504They are fine but you want a model that has 2 tubes so it both takes air from the outside and then sends back that heated air outside.>>108927543Had hoped he would stop getting millions of views after his "ICE is le fascists and Minnesota shows us the way" video earlier this year but YouTube won't allow that.
>>108929100:V
>>108927593>we only get the shit single-hose modelsWhy is that? Can't be some strange regulation, can it? (EU =/= all of Europe)
>>108927504Portable ACs are shit, especially the single exhaust hose ones since they blow air out (and outside air comes in somewhere to compensate). At the very least get a dual hose one.But you really should get a mini split installed. I had a Kurd install one (Daikin I believe) that he claimed to have imported from Turkey ( to the Netherlands) cause they're cheaper that way.
>>108927864one strap per day without a fap
>>108929126you can't really justify needing an extra hose to some boomer who just lets the one hose hang out through the open window and that's "good enough" for him. It's mostly only /g/ autists that care about that stuff, and that's way too niche a market to make it worthwhile.
>>108929121
>>108929138good thing it says sarcasm on one of the dogs>>108929163has to be something else than not being able to "justify" it, there are none for sale. to compete in the market someone would add a second tube to be unique if nothing else (marketing gimmick, even if it is way more than just a gimmick).
>>108929184you know it's true though
Bought one of the biggest Noctua fans couple years ago and let it run near me all the time.It runs on 5V so I could even run it on AAs for peace of mind at night. The nice thing is that it 100% just feels like the feeling you get from an open window when cool night air is coming in. It really simulates that feel instead of the typical fan draft you'd expect. I have it at my feet end of my bed so it hits my feet and legs first and the wind barely hits my head but still noticeable. The biggest advantage: No tense muscle fuckery in the morning and when your feet are cool (but not cold) your entire body starts feeling a lot less hot.At daytime you can beef that effect up by regularly hit your arms and legs with some damp rag. The wind will make those areas cool as fuck.Overall 10/10, can recommend to every poorfag.
>>108929184>has to be something elseIf you're looking for a conspiracy, then I'm sure you'll find it. But I really do think dual hose units simply don't sell enough to be worth selling, because most people are retards and don't see the point in paying significantly more, for a unit that is more cumbersome. And those who care will just DIY the 2nd hose, again for way less money.
>>108929214nice. you can combine it with that Noctua dimmer switch.
>>108929214Oh and it's especially great when you while sleeping can modulate it with your blanket. For example I often have my blanket over my neck and shoulders while my back and lower parts are exposed to the fan wind. Whenever I feel cooled off enough I just use more blanket while I'm sleeping and the opposite when I need more cooling again. Works perfectly and actually lets me sleep at hot nights. Also it's really quiet. That's the main reason why I chose that particular one in the first place. >>108929250Yeah but it's sipping so little electricity that I just modulate either with distance or with my blanket while sleeping.
>>108929238Doesn't have to be a conspiracy, just regulation or rules. For example one theory I've heard is if it has 2 tubes it counts as some rig that needs a professional to install it in EU, which means it won't be portable. I don't know if that is true.It's a lot more plausible than "Europeans are just too dumb to understand" (it just needs a little textbox in the ad explaining why there are 2 tubes and they get +1000% sales compared to 1 tube units).
>>108929214The 5V situation always cracks me up because there are thousands of dipshis who buy the 5V one and hook it up to their 12V supply which of course makes it spool up like a fucking jet turbine until it either rattles itself apart or burns out. Then they complain that the fan is shit and not Noctua quality lmao
>>108929263It's not like they're illegal to sell. I have seen them, they're just very rare and thus even more overpriced.
>>108928512feels good being a swedechad
>>108927991I live in Canaduh, when is the warming part supposed to happen?
>>108927504lmao
Don't you faggots know you can just unhook the window and put in a sheet of tempered glass instead? Then just cut out a round hole for the exhaust.
>>108929263>just needs a little textbox in the ad explaining why there are 2 tubes and they get +1000% salesthat's a billion yuro idea you've got right there, anon
>>108929329https://www.cbc.ca/news/climate/canada-eccc-rapid-attribution-heat-1.7257456
>>108929329>>108929448
>>108929271you've seen a unicorn? EU seller??link it to me and ill buy one.>>108929357exactly, which is why there must be some regulation or something that we don't see. because it would sell.
>>108929479here u go boss
>>108929544>GasbyeIs this to cool your room or your gas chamber simulator? Chinks come up with the stupidest product names ever.
>>108927643>> Make a Dual out of Single.
>>108929544That aint a link and that aint a EU seller.I never claimed they were unobtainable. If you're fine with a lot of import tax and shipping it's no issue (unless there's a chance they confiscate it for some reason in customs, if there really is some legal issue).
>>108927504We have central air conditioning here in the southern US but something I remember from my childhood was my grandmother's old house had an attic fan. A huge fuckoff fan in the attic that sucked air out of the house thru a vent in the ceiling at the end of the hallway and blew it out the end of the house. It worked remarkably well for temperatures up to, idk, 85 or 90F. Anything over that (which is easily 1/3 the year here) and you need AC to keep from dying.
>>108927971We deal with the same shit in my country. "muh building aesthetics" and it's an ugly fucking apartment building in a suburban area no tourist has ever set foot in. I hope to fuck that the EU some day makes it mandatory to allow AC installation freely as part of an energy efficiency measure or some shit. Same thing with solar panels.
>>108927536imagine the noise
>>108927504install a normal split AC, not this portable trash
US gun deaths: 48,000european heat deaths: 70,000
>>108929184>>108929263I'm also convinced they're banned. Most likely "accidentally" like you say. There is no other explanation for their complete absence in the EU market. They are all white label crap from china and if a retailer wanted dual hose they could most definitely get it.But, it's possible that the math actually works out in favor of single hose variant. Because even professional grade ACs are single hose. But I haven't seen the math and kind of doubt it.
>>108930113Europe is not a one country.
>>108930167each US state is like a european country in terms of area and population. you should have just pointed out that europe has like double the population of the US.
>>108930147what is the advantage of pulling in hotter outdoor air?
>>108927504Just tank it like the rest of us, it's only 2 weeks
>>108927536nvidia.jpeg
>>108930275just transcend 35 degrees at 94% RH, bro
>>108929214when i was in the military i niggerrigged an internal 24v plug to run two pc fans i put in series was a life changer
hvac is such a scam industry.
>>108927617they're close to the same, they're just a physically heavy machine sort-of in the wrong place in a bunch of houses.however it may be that the quote or regulations or landlord conditions to have one permanently installed are too shit so you kinda have to use something like that.
>>108928885thirdie here, almost every bedroom in the house has an AC and soon my dad is planning to add one for the living room after the Solar installation kek
>>108930487cost of air handler $1600+ condenser unit $2147+shipping 200+lineset 400+labor 1200012 grand for some chud to flux and braze a few pieces of copper and hook up a penis pump. you can learn this shit off youtube in one afternoon.
>>108927943>look for double hose here in europoor>everything is singleI'm also in Europe and all the models that seem to sell best according to our online store's self-ranking (may be manipulated, probably isn't) are double hose.>>108927593yes, the split ACs are the good ones.
>>108928521Currently yeahIt started to become common in the 2000s. My 1988 Ascona didn't even mention A/C in the manual, I don't think it was even an option.
>>108927819I'm going to need you to tell me where you got the melusine figs
>>108927504>mfw a mini split isnt a default home feature in his country for yearsyou are fucking subhumans truly, it is an appliance so goated you will see it deployed alongside a completely separate heatpump on UFH or radiators>300-750€the upper end of that range is absolutely enough for a solid unit and installation wherever really>>108929138>makes 10x less noise>is 5x more efficient>is capable of 3x the cooling probablysurely you jestfrom actual experience I tell you that is utterly false
>>108927504Don't get a Midea.
>>108930204to not pull out colder indoor air?
I've printed out a photograph of a minisplit and glued it to the outside of my wall and have already gotten complaints from my neighbors about the noise pollution.
>>108927504>my PC heating up to 85°CRetard doesn't know physics.It's not CPU/GPU temperature that causes your room temperature to raise but TDP. If you'll use a low-power laptop that operates at 100 degrees your room temperature will hardly change, but if you'll use a PC with 9950x3d and 5090 both liquid cooled your room will feel like hell even though temperatures of your components will stay at 40-50 degrees.
>>108929104>Had hoped he would stop getting millions of views after his "ICE is le fascists and Minnesota shows us the way" video earlier this year but YouTube won't allow that.stay mad
>>108931428Specifically this one.
>>108931527What's wrong with them? The split unit the other anon posted looked promising
is a split that much better? i have noise concerns
>>108927504room size, brother. that's your first constraint.Then, are you allowed to put in a window unit? Window are way better than those like in your pic. The kind in your pic last like half as long, dunno why.When you see the recommended size for your room, always try to get one that's bigger than recommended, by a little.5000 btu units are the smallest window units, and they fit the smallest windows, check all measurements.pro tip, 6000btu window units are available in the same size as the 5000btu units. so, this is about ideal for a 12ft x 12ft room. You can use curtains to "shrink" the effective size of your room if it's too big.
>>108931646split still has to have the fan in the room.For noise concerns, you need to go with an installed unit, but you can still get noise from the ducts somewhat.Installed ones are a lot more expensive, but usually are high quality.
>>108931680sorry, tard moment. I mean "central air conditioning"the blower won't be in your room, it will push through the ductwork.way more expensive, it's pretty standard in the upper middle class of the usa. I'm in the lower, we have window units.
>>108927504No, they're still not shit, the compressor and the hot side fin stack are inside with you, it's loud, it won't cool a room down ever (but can blast YOU with cold air, so it's not all bad)Get a real split system.
>>108931646>is a split that much better?Yes.No matter what you'll still hear a fan, but it's no more noise that you'd get with a box/pedestal fan anyway. Less than a tower fan or a 'fanless' fan.The loudest part is the compressor and you've moved that outside.Imagine a fridge running all the time but it's ~10x louder. The same noise, just louder. That's a AC compressor.
Being a euro poor turned heat management into an obsession. Despite having a high end pc I don't use it from May to September otherwise it gets unbearable. I'm stuck to low powered devices
>>108931204I’m generally a "use it till it stops working" kind of guy but a car that’s 38 years old is pushing it, don’t you think?
>>108931719ngl using my laptop instead of the pc is a night and day difference in my room temp
>my dirt poor grandma from romania had AC from like 2000>all her friends have AC as well>retarded westoids that earn like 6x as much in germanistan and the like don’t?
>>108931739A laptop is much better but during heatwaves it's still pretty bad. And now we get more and more of these over the years. So now I only use my tablet and a switch for gaming, both are under 10 tdp.Meanwhile my 2k pc just fucking sits here. I miss it alreadyMan live with AC must be so good. I would never have given this a passing thought
>>108931719the problem is rather that a lot of people at least here rent some (old) apartment where the owner goes nuclear if they'd install something while there is no AC since boomer didn't need them when summer weren't as hot as they are now. The only up is that depending where you are the houses are very good isolated so the heat stays outside or vice versa the heat stays inside when it's cold but having a PC that acts as electric heater in the summer can be a bit bothersome. Mobile single hose AC can get the job done if you have proper window sealing but don't expect a miracle and as other anons pointed out it's loud. A proper AC is obviously better but yeah it's not always possible. Maybe a split unit if you have a balcony.
>>108931747It's not about money. Trust me I would rather invest into a proper unit than living in a sauna but I legally cannot
>>108931747probably costs 2 salaries to get some dude to drill holes in your wall
>>108931780Even if you can afford it it's legally impossible. And even if your fucking boomer allowed it, good luck finding a proper certified technician because they'll charge you double or triple the unit price on top of their rate
>>108927504>What are the good optionsThere are none.Use a minisplit with prefilled hoses or midea portasplit (it puts an external unit out the window, balcony, whatever).
>>108931791With prefilled hoses a retard can do it. It's not allowed, but who the fuck cares?
>>108931791people pay double in germoney for heat pumps as they are subsidized so the sellers just added this to the original price.
germany will never approve ACs because of bureaucracy
>>108929104>zogbots are le good because Epstein's best friend said soCope & seethe nigger migger.
>>108931747Installation is like 2x the price of unit itself and if you decide you want AC during summer you'll have to wait till winter for technician to actually show up.
>>108927750In Spain we have like 90 % renewables and energy is still more expensive during the day than at night.
>>108930204>run 1 intake hose + 1 exhaust hose that run in their own loop and use "free" air for cooling the condenser>run 1 exhaust hose that pumps some cool air from the room outside, while pulling hot air in around your doors/windows
>>108931905You neets have all the time in the world, why not do it yourself?
>>108931952We don't have all the money in the world
>>108931908I mean it would make sense, I don't know why Germany is like this. But every day is like the pic here for some reason
>>108932006>buy 10kw lifepo4 battery bank from chinks>literally free energyany reason why everybody isn’t doing it? unlike panels those easily fit in apartments, and they dont catch on fire like li-ion can
>>108927504I have a portable one, it's about as big as a mini fridge, the thing is loud and will pop the breaker a few times but it works in a small space, just stick your pc and your bed in the smallest room in the house with a window that works, trap the cold air in the room if you can.
1. Don't suggest 2 hose portable ACs, they are not sold in Europe2. Don't suggest window ACs, you can't install them into European windows
>>108931908omie.es/en/spot-hoy
A basic bitch non-split "just put the hose outside a d squish it with the window so it doesnt fall out" lowers a ~20 sqm living room at my grandma’s house by 5 degEfficiency is low but who cares, its only hot when its sunny and when its sunny electricity is free cause solarOnly downside is loudness
>>108932024we have drills to make one hole for reflrigerant lines for a split you knoww*st europoors get kiked on these things hard though
>>108932017Well the chart is the actual price of electricity, but every electricity provider charges another about 17 ct / kwh on top of that. So the chart actually goes from a max of about 32 ct / kWh to a low of about 15 ct / kWh.For comparison, if you get a normal non-dynamic energy tariff, it's a fixed 33 ct / kWh at all times of the day, so the dynamic one still wins hard, especially if you work from home and run an AC during the day when energy is cheap.Anyway about the battery, I considered it too, but grok said that first of all it's illegal to "just plug it in" because our networks aren't made for it? (I don't remember the details).but yeah if the chinks sell such huge batteries for so cheap, I'll look into it again
Can you fags explain already how in the fuck do most Western Europeans don't have a mini-split AC when we have a lot of them here in Novosibirsk, a city in Siberia, and not even for heating, just for cooling? Open Street View and look at the windows of any residential commieblock, there are outdoor units hanging everywhere
>>108932089regulativon kikery... not my problem
>>108931482>everybody:>(You) 7 hrs later: s-stay mad>>108931887>ice doing its job fine all across the country except in this one place that had totally not paid protests>still defending minnesota after all the corruption is revealed and the police chief even resignedbet you cant even remember the names of the two that died>>108930204air conditions with 2 hoses just loop air inside the room being cooled, the air taken from the outside becomes heated by the machine and is then transported outside again. the advantage is it's more efficient and you don't change the pressure of the room being cooled.
>>108927504I could not stand the heat last year as well, so I bought one of the portable units, since installing a proper heat exchanger outside is a hassle when living in a rented flat. If you live in your own house or flat, definitely sink more money in and buy a real heat exchanger. Here are my honest thoughts on a portable AC:First off, they are a pain in the ass, since they take up space. You also have to have a water collector next to it, since the cooling process generates water as a byproduct. The hose for heat blowout gets really hot, so it acts like a radiator, which you should isolate. You also have to isolate the window opening, for which there are some polyester "inserts" or whatever you call them in English. Do not just plop the hose out of the window without isolation, that would defeat most of the cooling capability.Since it sucks air inside your room and blows it out the window, it has to still suck air in from outside due to pressure difference, so you are still sucking hot air from all around, but at least not directly next to the intake.The thing is also fairly noisy when cooling, unlike an outdoor heat exchanger. It is bearable, but annoying at times.In reality it can bring down the temp in my 90m2 flat by around 3 degrees Celsius, which is noticeable. Especially when it can blow directly to where I work, which feels much cooler with air moving around. You can feel the heat gradient.You also have to clean the filters regularly. If bacteria start to grow, it starts smelling like air filled with piss and you have to clean that shit ASAP.It definitely made my life much better during those heat waves, I don't have to sweat and die slowly. It's fairly comfortable, well worth the trouble with setting it up and bearing with the noise.You still have to block sunlight with heavy curtains during the peak and make sure to ventilate your flat naturally during the night.
>>108932074>Anyway about the battery, I considered it too, but grok said that first of all it's illegal to "just plug it in" because our networks aren't made for it? (I don't remember the details).Legal here in Netherlands, so easy enough to buy.That said, if you are good at DIY and have your own home, using a hybrid inverter with "48V" batteries makes sense too. Solis inverters and Dyness batteries are cheap for instance. Then you can do battery and solar and backup on one inverter for cheap. With a 5 kW inverter, that's enough to supply 2 fuse groups in your home with backup power.
>>108929037Nope. Other guy is right. Think about it. The portable AC is all INSIDE your room. The split AC unit has the condenser OUTSIDE your room. You do the maff.
I wish I had the window for one. I've considered it a few times, but logistically it just wouldn't work out.
Get a portable split, most efficient (if you have the space to place the external unit ie. balcony)Otherwise a normal portable isnt bad but also not that great, does the job, just buy a established brand and look at correct BTU for your space
>>108927504get a decent window unit its cheaper and tends to do a bit better imo
I've dealt with heatwaves for a decade now and I'm ready to just get a portable unit for one room, the afternoon sun shines directly into my balcony and my roofing is chocolate painted metal shingles which get HOT upstairs. I saw one at Media Market but I had no idea about the sinhle versus split debate. Maybe I already have brain damage from trying to compute in the heat.
The smaller the room, the better it performs. Don’t expect it to cool a 23 m2 space effectively. My living room is L-shaped and covers about 23 m2. At first, it couldn’t even lower the temperature by a single degree from 28°C. I added a drywall partition to convert the layout into an I-shape, reducing the usable area to roughly 10 m2. Now, it works perfectly. It’s a shitty single-hose model with 14,000 BTUs, but it easily drops temperatures from 28°C to 21°C. That’s more than enough for my needs (I rarely set it below 21°C anyway)By the way if you do go the drywall route to make your living space smaller, make sure to add proper insulation between the walls
>>108927504I have one question for you: are you a rentoid? If not, then don't bother with inferior garbage and just have a mini split installed.
>>108932089rentoids aren't allowed to install minisplits.
>>108932421It is the same here, it's just that the rented units occasionally (not common, but not super-rare either) already have a mini-split AC, or perhaps the owner might agree to install one as long as the renter pays for it in full and as long as it will stay there even after the renter leaves
>>108932431lucky. here all (((landlords))) are power tripping kikes who get off on fucking with their tenants as much as legally possible
>>108927504I have FRAL SC14, 14000 BTU 4.1kw portable unit. Hose is a PITA and it is noisy as fuck.
>>108932280You're not reading what is being discussed or are just not getting it. Guy is saying that some of the hot air *from outside* gets cooled and released into the room, for the sake of creating "positive pressure". Me, as well as the other Anon, both find the theory retarded, since any supposed benefit of "positive pressure" would be offset by the fact you'd be trying to quickly turn 35 degree air into 17 air as it passes the unit.
>>108930204the same reason "proper" AC units have the condenser part outside: because the condenser needs heat to do its job. it's more efficient to loop air that's already hot, than to re-heat air that you've been trying to cool. it also keeps the pressure consistent.
>>108931721fuck off. if it was 10 years older you'd be like "now that's a classic"
>>108930275not just two weeks, it's at least repeating every month till september
>>108932659The high pressure side needs to run hot to reject enough heat energy outside. There is no benefit to using hot air to blow trough the high pressure heat exchangers. The higher the ambient temperature of the air on the high pressure side, the more the compressor/fan has to work to reject enough energy.Hotter outside air is used because that's the best you can do. Unless you have a cooler source from an ocean or ground loop. The air you already cooled with your AC is not free and that's why it's dumb to use it to blow trough the high pressure exchangers. With the added negative of the low pressure sucking in hotter ambient air inside.
>>108927504These things are noisy af. I ended up buying a real AC
>>108929214>Bought one of the biggest Noctua fansNigger that's still tiny compared to a room fan and especially a ceiling fan.Large ceiling fans turning slowly are particularly quiet and comfortable.
>>108930147>I'm also convinced they're banned. Most likely "accidentally" like you say.According to AI it's at least partly because of a flaw in the EU's energy efficiency rating system:>The Flawed Rating System: The standard testing methodology measures how efficiently the appliance cools the interior air passing directly through the internal coils. It fundamentally ignores the fact that a single-hose unit creates intense negative pressure—forcing hot, unconditioned air to leak into the room from cracks in doors, windows, and floorboards.>The Result: Manufacturers can easily achieve highly desirable A or A+ energy ratings on paper with a cheaper single-hose model. Because consumers see an "A" rating, they assume the unit is efficient. Manufacturers therefore face zero regulatory pressure to spend more capital engineering complex, dual-hose variants.
>>108932867US DOE standard does take this into account in the BTU rating.
>>108932810I stand corrected. So is it ever *less* efficient to blow hot air over the high pressure side than to take cool air and have negative air pressure? Presumably there is a point where the hot air is simply too hot and the compressor cannot run hot enough to compete with it?
I can't wait to fucking move out so I can get my own place with my own air conditioning and have it on whenever I want.
>>108932891>Presumably there is a point where the hot air is simply too hot and the compressor cannot run hot enough to compete with it?Found some places selling AC systems rated for 57C ambient, presumably the refrigerant and compressor can be adjusted to increase the temperate in the condenser section but there's no reason to do that for a regular home air conditioner. Spraying the fins with water will give it a huge efficiency boost if it isn't already lethally humid too.If the outside air is so hot that using freshly chilled air from the conditioned side of the unit is necessary, you're going to suffer huge efficiency losses but also would probably be dying of heat stroke very quickly otherwise.
>>108932891I bet it is never be worth it. They don't do it in Phoenix. You can always have bigger or more units to reject more heat, rather than upping the hot side temperature to absurd numbers.
>>108932891It depends how you measure "efficiency".See also >>108932867If you only measure what's happening inside the AC unit (as the EU does it) it seems to be more efficient to use cold room air.But if you measure the entire room, including how much warm outside air is sucked in (as USA does it), you know it's actually more efficient to use warm outside air.
>>108932975Yeah. Using indoor air results in much less cooling power. Why not decrease compressor power directly if you're hitting some thermal limits there.
>>108932988Eventually it's even more efficient to use evaporative cooling instead of radiators, which is what power plants, data centers and some large buildings use.
>>108933018I'd argue a somewhat modernized EU house shouldn't leak as much as those wood and paper houses the US love so much but that's very individual. On top of this their idiotic concept to use an open window ruins it unless you can somehow seal everything but I doubt your average Joe will manage this.
>>108933161It doesn't matter how well you seal your house, if you're pumping out 200 m3 of air per hour it's going to suck in the same 200 m3 instead up pulling a vacuum.
>>108927504I bought a cheap comfee on amazon, it'enough to survive the hottest hours
>>108927643I don't understand these type, why are they built like this? Why not make it external so it's generating heat on the outside rather than the inside?
>>108933262>Why not make it externalIt's not always possible to have an external unit.For example I rent an office that doesn't have air conditioning and the owner refuses to install anything.At the same time I'm not allowed to place anything outside my office.So I use a couple of mobile AC units as a stopgap measure on hot days.
>reading this threadWhy are Europeans so retarded? Why don't they understand HVAC? Unless your compressor and condenser are both outside i.e. separate from the evaporator, you bought a dehumidifier, not an air conditioner.
>>108932975It's worth mentioning that when you have a dual hose setup, chances are the hoses are gonna be right next to each other, so without any mitigations in place the ambient intake will likely suck in some degree of hot exhaust air right back. But even then, it's probably nothing that can justify having negative pressure.
>>108932089>well we didn’t need it 40 years ago so we certainly don’t need it now! *dies from heatstroke*Boomers are retarded to the point of actually committing suicide, and zoomers own nothing and will never own anything (certainly not property) so they can’t install ac
>>108927536Would
>>108931721kekI had that car 20 years ago, my current car is "only" 16 years oldBut like that other anon said, it would be getting into the classic category by now
>>108933161Modern eu houses all have heat pumps, so the point is moot.Or rather modern houses should all HAVE heat pumps, but somehow it became a divisive political topic. I (a swedistani fag) had it angrily explained by my german in-laws, that heat pumps are all a scam and simply CANNOT work without breaking the laws of physics in Germany because it’s too cold. Thankfully the heat pump in my house is unaware of this fact and continues working fine despite being in a place that’s like 7deg colder year round.Boomers gonna boomer
>>108927504just get an in-window unit, they're cheap as shit.You should only buy these floor ones if you're going to be moving them around a lot.
>>108927671He's a euro. Technologically it's like 1973 over there.
>>108934071If you rent a flat here you're basically fucked in regards of AC or heat pumps. Heat pumps are stupid expensive here as well cause of >>108931828I have a balcony at least so I may chuck myself with the Midea split device and see if it gets the temperature down to a bearable level but yea there are much better solutions but Germans are so full of themselves especially older land lords.
>>108934153A heatpump is not more expensive than a big multisplit. It's more expensive than a bunch of cheap minisplits, but that's not an ideal solution.
>>108928521ironically pretty virtually every new one, bu ofc due to jewish eco laws you can't idle a car if it means cooling it down
>>108927543>the gay heatpump shill shits on affordable and reasonable alternativesThere is literally nothing wrong with a portable AC unit. They work perfectly fine unless you're a genuine fucking RETARD and try to use them in a space exceeding their rating, which is the case with window/wall units, central air, and shitpumps too. Single-hoses work just fine too.
>>108932967I hope you're able to get it, anon
>>108928645Swamp coolers only really work in dry climates, if the humidity is too high theyre worthless.
>ummm uhhh it’s 26 degrees in my room, I am literally dying *cries femininely*
>>108932089>most Western Europeans don't have a mini-split ACDon't know about most Western Europeans but here in Switzerland it's simply not necessary. It doesn't get hot enough to warrant upgrading all the electrical circuits and sound-proofing all the old brick homes.
>>108935815Well it's not truly necessary here either, it rarely gets hot enough in the summer and even then it's not humid
>>108934781Nothing wrong except being loud and inefficient. Why don't you cool your house with a peltier cooler. Nothing wrong with those. They're noiseless, even better than portable AC units!
>>108935815It hit 30C in a lot of Swiss cities today and you say it's not necessary. I guess if you don't run any electric loads or use the stove that could be true.
>>108935535I'm so used to my PC heating up the room to 27°C or higher that I run around even at 30°C with jeans and a shirt. Only humidity can be a bitch.
>>10893584930C at midday isn’t 30C in your living room
>>10893584930C is nothing, wtfhot starts at 40C
>>108927504portable ac fucking suckget a window unit if you caneven a small one is much better
French here.You need to do properly, the number of idiots I see using these devices with the window slightly open is insane, the number of morons on this planet, in addition to being poor....
Got pic related last year, saved my ass. Midea porta split.Wish it was possible to disconnect the tubes, but extremely worth the price.
>>108934781Nah they're shit for the same reason most fireplaces are shit - they displace the air in the room, requiring fresh air (that's hot in the case of an AC or cold in the case of a fireplace without external feed), meaning they're very ineffective. What OP wants is a minisplit with precharge and a vaccum pump to prime the lines. You don't NEED to hire anyone to install a minisplit, although if you dont want to buy the vaccum pump then you'll have to at least rent one.
>>108936393is it really so much better than those single hose ACs? The tube not being removeable sounds awkward.
>>108936347Can you zoom out on the left part? I don't see how your window is set up under that
>>108936393been thinking about getting this but isn't it a lot larger than the image makes it appear?
>All this talk about AC>Nothing about just ventilating with a heatsink at the intakeFan at at an open window, preferable the shady side, pulling air in from outside. Have the flow pass underneath a thin bucket full of ice. Another fan at a window or door on the other side of the room, face out.You're a hairless ape, you're supposed to sweat, airflow helps.
>>108936482You need a vaccum pump because the hose needs to have only the coolant gas/liquid in it and nothing else. They often come with the gas already in half of the system and you crack open a valve to get it to flow to the other half once you've fed the pipe through the wall (and vaccumed out the atmosphere).
>>108928523Its basically a diy swamp cooler. Should definitely work if you live in a dry climate.
>>108936393Fuck I wish I could use this but I don't have the space to put the hot unit outside my rented apartment, all my windows are like picrel
>>108936636fair enough. From what I understand it doesn't have the negative pressure issues like single hose ACs do so it sounds better on paper. I don't trust all the awards and reviews they market the thing with as half of them look like fake sites but there seems to be a certain advantage and it's cheaper than the single hose alternative I had in mind or rather the one I wanted originally is likely overpriced.
>>108936634Worthless anywhere humid, which is most of Europe.>>108936538It's huge. They make tiny ones for caravans that are probably slightly better than a single hose.
>>108936393It's weird they don't make these with (antifreeze-)water loops for consumers. Temporary industrial AC has water loops, there is no reason consumer stuff couldn't as well.Then detachable hoses would be no problem.
>>108927971>>108927504
25°C 41% humi in my roof apartment right now without any fan or ac of course. I wonder how the actual summer will be since that will be my first here.
>>108927971>>"Oh btw we don't even allow sun blinds/awning to be installed"Blinds in FRONT of the window are a game changer. Behind the window they are almost useless. You want the heat to stay outside and with blinds inside it will go through your window and get trapped.If they don't even allow shading your window when others are already dying due to heat that's fucking brutal. I'd install blinds anyway. Rather get into a faggy discussion with a landlordfaggot in his AC cooled office than die of heat.
>>108935834>>108936421>t. never ever used a portable ACIt's like a man who's never driven a car preaching about how much better a solar powered bicycle is.
>>108936636Midea portasplit has hoses permanently connected from factory, no vacuum set necessary.Also you can still get prefilled minisplits with prefilled hoses. The hoses have a metal seal which gets punctured when you tighten them. No vacuum necessary either. But it's strictly speaking illegal to DIY. Fucking installer mafia even made R290 AC illegal to DIY, even though it's not F-gas.
>Europe getting hotter>Australia getting colderShit is getting weird in the world. Last month was being called our coldest April on record since it started snowing in the Australian Alps about 2 months early. Last summer was also cooler than usual, only a handful of days surpassed 30C.
>got solar panel super cheap >little solar power station also cheap>feed AC with that power>from now on AC for freeBasically beating the sun with its own weapons.Feels POWERFUL.
>>108936809No I'm just getting older and I need a 800W PC to work, in a south facing room, which makes the heat unbearable. In 2003 we had 40°C in summer already
>>108936746Unfortunately AC doesn't save you from the processed slop you jam down your throats.
Yuros genuinely think of AC as an American vice, like corn syrup. Bizarre.
>>108936830I'd guess that's more about the US healthcare system rather than anything slop related, considering the UK has national healthcare. Being happy is probably also a factor, at least based on the list of countries with the longest lifespans.
>>108929214As it happens I bought that exact Noctua fan today to move air through the dense mosquito screen on the window in the evenings, when it gets cooler and the window is only partially open. It's alright, I guess, but could be stronger for my use case. I might actually hook up one of the smaller 12V ones for the higher static pressure and somewhat higher airflow. Just need to buy a cable to conjure 12V out of a power bank.
>>108927504Is AC really that expensive there ? Here in Asia it only cost $150 for 1/2 PK Split AC.
you can get a portable mini split for about that i thinkbut a mini split itself isnt much more expensive with installation
>>108936746EU has twice the population of US
>>108936821>In 2003 we had 40°C in summer alreadyand it was such a rare event that it was that memorable.nowadays we get 40° every year
It's like 3 days a year of sunny weather lol
Any recommendation for something compatible with UK's trash windows?
>>108927971have you tried just ignoring those "rules"?they cant do shit, if youre at risk from heat stroke it is ILLEGAL in the ENTIRE european union to prevent you from taking measures
>>108936847Yeah for that usecase it may be too weak. In my case for just causing a really pleasant "caressing" airflow over your back when you're lying naked in bed it's absolutely perfect. The really quiet and soft wooshing sound also has a calming effect on me. Before that I used a normal standing room fan but it had an issue and started smoking at some point. Then I tried some USB table fan which was rattling and annoying me. Then I just took a random 12v case fan I had lying around but that had a kinda resonant high pitched wind noise that also was unpleasant while trying to fall asleep plus the airflow felt like a sharp air stream instead of like a pleasant air blanket of the one I use now.
>>108927504I don't understand why Europeans are so stupid. In many places it's even illegal to install. I have to settle for a portable AC myself but most windows are incompatible with them. So on top of portable AC being less than half as efficient as proper AC you have extra losses because the gap is not sealed. The end result is much lower efficacy at the cost of more electricity, or alternatively indoor temps in the low 30s C during summer.
>>108937218it's fien in your own house, but it's problematic in an apt building because it's noisy and it blows hot air for your neighbours, so you have to ask permission to building management
>>108929864ya my grandpa had that too. huge ass attic ceiling fan. very loud. very neat thing as a kid.
>>108937218>I don't understand why Europeansat this point it feels like they are just being "not like Americans">oh Americans love their AC, well we dont need it, ha!
>>108936830>"Americans"love to set the dataset without the millions of alcoholic obese Mexicans>>108936846>considering the UK has national healthcare.where people die in the A&E waiting room, or die waiting for the Ambulance to arrive. or wait for 27 hours in A&E because there are 900 Muslims in line ahead of you for their paper cutgreat stuff.
>>108936889it doesnt>>108936841it really is weird how Europoors treat AC. they are living in the 1950s.
>>108937301Doubtful. My country has national healthcare too and someone dying while waiting makes headlines and is investigated heavily. I also worked in EMS and it's extremely rare for it to happen, especially since there are systems in place for things deemed less serious like retards calling about nosebleeds, so they get transferred to a nurse on the phone who will then decide if they really need any further care.
the AC noise, and not just in terms of audible noise, but also vibrations, is not to be underestimated considering how everyone in europe (and especially the UK) lives packed in sardine cans.once again burgers have no idea how wealthy they are, not just in terms of money but even intangible factors like the amount of space between you and your neighbour, visual privacy, sound privacy, etc.
>>108937327properly working and maintained HVAC equipment generates minimal noise and in some cases is effectively silent.
>>108937318>DoubtfulIt may be rare, but it does happen, and we know this because it makes the news. Maybe it doesnt happen in your country as much. Same thing with Canada and their healthcare. Long as lines because people come in for everything since its 'free'.
>>108931645The computer is jewish and only runs when it feels like it. You have to rely on the thermostat and if it feels like you deserve some cooling. There's no setting to just have it be on.
>>108937446We work a little different then maybe. There are hospital ERs and then there are non-emergency clinics, and anything non-serious gets sent to non-emerg even if you come to the hospital ER first (and vice versa, where non-emerg might decide it's too serious for them and send you to the ER). Emergency services here don't want to waste time on people that have nose bleeds or stubbed their toe and will delegate accordingly.
>>108927536those are some very poorly insulated ducts. That shit would be leaking (heat) like sieve.
>>108927504Don't believe people who tell you they're useless. They are absolutely useful, but they're a lot less efficient and use a lot of electricity. If it's not your own place, it can't be helped.
My AC has been broken for two years and just yesterday I got a new mini split (as the americans call them) installedI have a portable unit as well, it's useful for a single room such as cooling your bedroom before going to bed. Not enough for even my small house tho
>>108936347peel off that shipping plastic you heathen
>>108938694Come on Pekka, you practically live in a Sauna.
>>108938712Well yes, but I don't want to sleep in one
>>108928976ahh the smogg the jews model 1943
>>108936830aquafresh
>>108927504But how are you gonna brag you're better than Americans?
>>108936393How does this even work if you can't disconnect the tubes? How are you supposed to put them through the wall?
>>108936809Yeah the world has natural temperature cycles. Some people claim this is man-made and make a lot of money/influence from it. Thinking about how the Earth is a tilted rotating sphere going around the sun it is a little crazy for anyone to assume the temperatures always remain the same over 100 years. There is pollution of course, but since China pollutes more than all other countries combined and activists only ever complains abut comparatively clean countries it can't be a real problem.
>>108936482It's awkward yes. But it's very efficient and powerful. >>108936538You need some room yes, I need to wrestle it at my window.>>108936677It does have a platform for the outdoor unit but that fence will cuck you yeah. I have mine on a table on the balcony. You could diy something.>>108936719Rules for thee.>>108938897It's the power and efficency of a permanent split unit, but portable. You just stick the outdoor unit through the door/window and use the sealing kit like any other portable setup.
>>108937274100s of years of not needing cooling but needing heating lead to central heating developing instead of central air.Anyway now you muttfucks are running air to water fancoils in new houses so go get fucked.
>>108937539>mode on COOL>TEMP on 18c>FAN on 5 bars good signalthis is not a problem with a real mini splitwhen it gets dustlogged after running for almost 2 years straight it still runs, it just doesn't heat or cool a fucking shit
>>108929100>>108929121>>108929171Do all of you guys live in a pre 19th century house under the ceiling? Everything up to 35°C is perfectly fine for me.
>>108927504What the size of your room? Check out trotec units, I've had one for almost 8 years with no issues.https://en.trotec.com/shop/air-conditioning-ventilation/air-conditioning/comfort-air-conditioners.htmlFor small or slightly larger rooms 2100x and 2600x should be more than enough
17 years ago my dad bought 4 chinese AC units for $250 each and they have been truckin' ever since with no maintenance t. east eurofagOnly ever use them in June-September though
>>108937318ha how nice is thatin serbia you have to negotiate the necessity of the emergency with 911 and they have turned down stroke victims because "having no feeling and control over one side of the body is not a sign of a stroke you are too young" or there isn't an ambulance available (because the well connected guy who runs the ambulance service for that city is using them for a fucking party)you know at least the stroke victim made headlines, they have call recordingsomehow that still beats what I've read about some other shitholes of europe where the EMTs are considerably more inept and often heavily intoxicateddon't romanticize eastern europe... even if it has more air conditioning than the west, I know it almost makes the rest of the bullshit worth it, kek
>>108939713Serbia is a shithole with strong ties to Russia which is why things are the way you describe. In EU-land its much much better and egregious corruption doesn't happen.
>>108933161>a somewhat modernized EU house shouldn't leak as much as those wood and paper houses the US love so much but that's very individualA new build certainly would and would probably be better insulated than a US equivalent to start with.>>108937327Only a Mutt could write this, you don't hear a a mini split outside through a wall, you don't hear shit, we have better building technology on this continent.>but even intangible factors like the amount of space between you and your neighbour, visual privacy, sound privacy, etc.Look at your fucking new builds, that shit is rapidly getting to UK levels of cramped. One step from terraced housing.
>>108934071>I (a swedistani fag) had it angrily explained by my german in-laws, that heat pumps are all a scam and simply CANNOT work without breaking the laws of physics in Germany because it’s too cold.kek>Thankfully the heat pump in my house is unaware of this fact and continues working fine despite being in a place that’s like 7deg colder year round.well I did read that heatpumps run like ass in a range of -4 to +4 in particularbut that's more balkan winter, not g*rmany
>>108934269>It's more expensive than a bunch of cheap minisplits, but that's not an ideal solution.For cooling it is. For heating not so much.
>>108937327I lived in the UK and their old houses weren't terrible at isolating noise between floors/rooms and neighboring houses, I now live in a commie block in some east euro shithole and the concrete walls literally do not block any sound from outside of from neighbors from other flats. Another thing to note, the neighborhood I lived in the UK was fairly large (I rented there for work reasons), it, the entire area was probably home to 250k people and it was damn quiet during the day and night other than the main streets with heavy yraffic. Now I live in a small town with maybe 15k residents, away from the main street and not much traffic at all (literally none comparex to the UK) and the amount of street racing happening every night and just people driving around town in their loud clapped out bmws, just randomly reving engine on purpose, accelerating suddenly or people riding very loud bikes and again making noise on purpose etc is crazy, basically everyday from 5pm to 1 am there is constant noise in the whole town from these people. So yeah while we don't have many immigrants just living among the native locals feels far worse than most multicultural neighborhoods in London.>>108939713This is true. National healthcare, fast internet and other east euro "goodies", but if you look closer into our healthcare you will find so much incompetence, corruption and malicious behavior that it's just mindblowing.
>>108939794>Serbia is a shitholesure>with strong ties to Russia which is why things are the way you describe. are you a pole
>>108939645I have it set to 16c, set to cool with the fan set to high. I'm pretty sure the issue is a sensor checking the outside temp instead of the inside temp. The fan mode is also dogshit. It could be freezing outside and like 20c in my room with the fan on full, and the cooling wont work because some sensor is seeing that it's cold outside. No I'm not just going to move it and use a fan or have the window open. I need the window blocked so I can sleep during the day when I'm on night shift. The plastic is also extremely brittle.
>>108939675Whole place is like 38m2. Looks clean, finaly a seller whose website doesn't look like a scam. Do they have dual hose models?
>>108939840>I now live in a commie block in some east euro shithole and the concrete walls literally do not block any sound from outside of from neighbors from other flats.bad luck. it's probably not solid concrete. if a wall vibrates when you hit it, it is brick blocks with lots of holes or probably areated concreteif it does not vibrate at all it is probably concrete>Now I live in a small town with maybe 15k residents, away from the main street and not much traffic at all (literally none comparex to the UK) and the amount of street racing happening every night and just people driving around town in their loud clapped out bmws, just randomly reving engine on purpose, accelerating suddenly or people riding very loud bikes and again making noise on purpose etc is crazy, basically everyday from 5pm to 1 am there is constant noise in the whole town from these people. So yeah while we don't have many immigrants just living among the native locals feels far worse than most multicultural neighborhoods in London.bad choice or bad luck, all's good in my hood in a 1.5m city, I step out into the yard and only sometimes hear crazy old bitch crashing out, or see chinks and mulattos walking to/from school and that fucking sucks, what the fuck is happening why are there so many chinks and niggers here we are the west now?and I am still only a 15 minute bus trip from the absolute center but the bus is driven by a pajeet immigrant what the fucking fuck has happened man
>>108939965I don't know but I would trade this total lack of consideration and the shitty attitude of local people for asian immigrants any day.
>>108939989sure but I would NOT trade it for age verification, Ofcom and police that handcuff you and let you bleed out because the Pajeet who stabbed you said you were racist to him, so police here might beat you senseless but they will not arrest you for (unsubstantiated accusations of) unloicensed racism at least, even after they break your nuts they will help you get your broken nut removed (they did this to an elderly man once not that long ago)at least it looks like we will remove the 85IQ cartel larpers from power next election (or after the election, on the street)
>>108940116also air conditioning I forgot
Watercooling works for you too, you know. Just let your feet soak in a bucket of cold water.
>>108932164My window opens right where my chair is and there isn't any other place to move it for PC usage. I'm fucked, aren't I?
>>108940116In a country of 70 million absurd cases do happen. I live in a east europe shithole of only several million and while we had no cases like that related to immigrants, we had other cases where the police did overstep their authority.
>>108927504this has been a really successful thread anon I hope to see another one like it. There are hardly any HVAC related threads on imageboards.
>>108936746what the WHO considers Europe includes half of the -stan's in Asiathe actual figure is around 20k dead from heat and 200k dead from cold exposure
>>108937327just don't be a citynigger, it's that easy
>>108939794>In EU-land [...] egregious corruption doesn't happen.LMAOOOOOOOOOO
>>108941866i strongly disagree, the cities are the future.birth rates are plummeting, immigration is not helping as much as people hope to backstop this process.when the population starts to shrink, the population density will decrease. this will cause rural and suburb areas to fall in value, and accelerate exodus *into* the cities as people escape unmaintainable infrastructure and economic destitution.i think now is the right time to start moving *into* cities. utility maintenance, policing, etc. is going to concentrate into areas where there is a minimum threshold of population density (otherwise, it will not be economically feasible).
>>108941906>population densityis exactly my problem with shitties. I live near the edge of a small town and I love the peace and quiet
>>108941954thats all well and good but, consider the cost of infrastructure to enable running water, sanitation, electricity, internet, road maintenance, in your area. its funded by taxes, eventually those taxes will shrink and like any living organism suffering a caloric deficiency, it begins to shrink from the outside-in, abandoning the less critical parts to preserve the core.
