>Spend 10k per month on one """developer"""
>Spend 1-2k per month, on AI that produces the value of 20 developers
Yes. Any smart businessman is realizing they can do everything with just AI.

>>108930555
like holy fuck i havent written code in fucking years and i could not be happier

i'm up 200k loc since last week, i burn hundreds of millions of tokens, shit is p great

>>108930555
What exactly is your business doing that you can’t afford 1-2k per month per employee? Even the cheapest jeet h1b slavecaste costs several times that in salary, and his output is far worse than bleeding edge ai models

>>108930555
you have nothing to show for your "productivity" lol. anyone talking about this stuff is either an investor or confused purchaser. everyone's partially using this tooling because stackoverflow sucks and it's marginally better to get direct answers for your questions. but the slop cleanup problem means unnecessary refactoring and spinning of wheels. until you ship something people are actually relying on, you are just wasting time money and energy.

in my job i see so many slop projects and people say "cool story bro" and make their own slop. none of it goes anywhere.

>>108930555
I vibe coded that thing I’ve wanted for years and it works great.
I have no idea what it’s written in or how it works.

>>108930555
they printed way too much money and now they're looking for ways to burn it without seeming like they're incompetent.

>>108930555
Yes. AI is the future. AI inceases productivity across the board by at least 10x. You tell me: Is $2K/mo worth it to transform a 0.1x dev into a 10x engineer?

>>108930555
>the entire west outsources manufacturing to chyna and other thirdie shitholes
>gets their money mostly from knowledge work now, and services build around those systems
>automates knowledge work so any 90iq brownoid can do it
what’s the game plan here?

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>>108931328
The older I get the more I realize the west having any hegemony was just pure circumstance.

>>108930555
Why don't these niggas run local models?

>>108930654
>just AI
>fire all developers
>nobody left
>uhm claude how do I access the repository
>you login to it chief
>where is it?
>how the fuck would I know?
>oh no.
lol

1 dev + token budget > 2 Devs.
Just fire half the team.

>>108930887
t. ranjeet

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>>108931651
this isnt the problem. the problem is theyre going to keep rasheed and fire john. rasheed then poaches tokens on company money to fund his scams. no refunds.

>>108930555
>$1-2k a month
what plans are you using? if I just do pay-as-you go token cost then I can easily burn $250 per day doing moderately serious work with claude

>AI's
>require massive data farms and nuclear reactors
>humans
>require apartments and sandwiches
It's almost like biological computers are better than silicon ones.

I purposefully choose the most expensive model I can and waste it on shit like asking the weather.

>>108931851
Also, don't forget to always thank your LLM.

>>108930555
skill issue. 25$/month chatgpt is enough for 99% tasks

>>108931900
t. never actually vibecoded anything

>>108930939
lol this retard doesnt understand how business work
hes actually trying to do the "what are you poor or something" line

>>108930555
how the fuck they burn that many tokens? i'm alone and with less than 10 million tokens i can finish a whole app, how retarded you gotta be to even make ai that retarded and use that many tokens?

>>108932039
It sounds like you're saying
">t. never offloaded his brain and purposefully degraded his coding skills"
which is actually positive. I'm sure he will appreciate your compliment.

your companies pay for llms? I have 3 x 20$ codex accounts, I pay for myself (for my 3 jobs). I also wouldn't want my company to be involved as I run codexlb

>>108932257
Oh, wait, no, you're both fucktards. Sorry for assuming either of you had an IQ above a squirrel's, I guess.

>>108931900
That's fine, but then you're not getting 10x gains. Not saying others necessarily are, but you aren't even trying that. You just have a better StackOverflow.

>>108930939
The point of a business is to make money, retard. If you're paying 1-2k a month per employee on something, it also has to increase your profit by more than that per employee or you're just losing money.
Stack enough of "lmao you can't afford 1-2k per month per employee?" and you'll end up bankrupt.

>2k per month
Biggest team user subscription is 200 bucks and i know none that managed to use all quota on that wtf are they doing

>>108931651
Makes one wonder how many times did it happen already. People can't be that stupid, can they?

>>108932257
the regular chatbot interface is too inefficient and the regular chatbot subscription doesn't have usage limits anywhere near high enough to actually make something

>>108930555
What the fuck do small startup companies even offer? How do they even make money?
They can't all fulfill some small niche right?

>>108932293
Assuming the employees aren't making slave/euro wages, it just needs to be a 5% productivity increase to be a reasonable expense. And it's probably doing more than that, assuming the company, you know, has a product to sell to customers for money.

>>108932341
I've been memeing on a sideproject at work because they've been pushing ai bullshit for a while. In about 6 hours where I did my normal work and tabbed in/out to give more instructions every so often, I managed to use up the entire monthly allowance (using claude). When that happens you get a link to request more capacity from your admin. I didn't click it because I wanted more capacity but because I wanted to see what that button does (it just sends the request without any kind of confirmation or anything). My company approved the request shortly lmao. But anyway, shit's crazy expensive because it can't code for shit, so to make it work it has to be looped into a test gauntlet with feedback. This has to continue for ages and it will still give deliverables which just hacked the tests instead of fixing things, so you have to further direct it every loop. The net result is it takes a whole week to do something you could do in a few hours if you actually wrote things yourself, but also every day you use a month's worth of corpo team usage.

>>108931328
apparently gay jews gatekeeping human knowledge so they can rewrite history as they see fit while promising that this will lead to trans human utopia.

>>108930555
it's actually not worth it and productivity does not scale with token use. we see large companies sweat now because their employees are spending hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of tokens every month but that's not reflected in what they're creating at all. all of this retarded nonsense will collapse, just a matter of when

>>108930555
Can someone define “productivity?” Because that word gets thrown around like it means $$$

But this is all about marketing and making money off of businesses.

My (small) company basically says "we'll reimburse ~$100/mo of AI spending, just send us the receipt". Nothing stopping me switching between claude and codex each month or trying deepseek if I want. Probably the best way to do it for small teams of trusted engineers.
They would probably approve $200 if I asked but I've never hit the limits on the $100 plans, idk what the fuck these people are doing to spend thousands.

>>108932381
the rapid enshittification of software is happening for a reason

>>108930654
>produces the value of 20 developers
it doesn't produce anything.
If it was good, ((they)) wouldn't market it. ((They)) would use it to become leaders of every s/w and every h/w market.

>>108933905
Bad larp. If you actually used "AI" you'd be through the limit in a couple hours at best. That's just prompting the clanker for a 100 lines fragment at a time and letting it run for 30 minutes until it figures it out.

>>108930887
bait

>>108932715
>so to make it work it has to be looped into a test gauntlet with feedback. This has to continue for ages and it will still give deliverables which just hacked the tests instead of fixing things
Yes, that's also my experience. It's like a heuristic optimization algorithm, that traverses the search space to make tests pass.
Usually the tests do pass after a while, but the code is often horrible. E.g. instead of unifying logic, it will just stack adapter, on adapter, on adapter.

>>108930555
I don't know how you can be so shit with so many people.

>>108930555
By the end of this year companies will start looking into token usage and output efficiencies

>>108934398
Calling it now, the hot new field will be AI Consulting jobs where you train people on how to use AI without burning through tokens, so companies can get the most out of their AI dollar.