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/dgg/ - DeGoogle General

>The purpose of this general is to provide alternatives to popular and common Google services in an effort to avoid the all-seeing-Google botnet.

>Browsers

UnGoogled Chromium
Source and download: https://github.com/Eloston/ungoogled-chromium/releases

LibreWolf
Download: https://librewolf-community.gitlab.io/
Source code: https://gitlab.com/librewolf-community/browser

>Android ROMs
Lineage OS: https://lineageos.org/
LineageOS for MicroG: https://lineage.microg.org/

>Search Engines
https://duckduckgo.com/
https://www.startpage.com/
https://search.brave.com/
https://yandex.com/images/ (Reverse image search)

>YouTube
https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp optionally with https://mpv.io/

All suggestions encouraged and welcome, for services listed and not.
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do these work if you're fat? i'm really fat and i worry i'm gonna have a bad time.
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>>108937936
>Android ROMs
GrapheneOS
>Search Engines
Searxng
>YouTube
Peertube
>Github
Forgeio
>Cloudstorage
Nextcloud
>Reddit
Lemmy
>X / Twitter
Mastodon / Pleroma
Seafile
>Netflix
Jellyfin
>Wikipedia
Mediawiki
Bookstack
>Discrod
Matrix / Synapse
XMPP
>ChatGPT
Ollama
>Google Photos
Immich
>Gmail
pretty much every private email hoster + Thunderbird. e.g. cock.li
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>>108937936
Ok but why do this
Google was sucking up my data for 20 years now and… nothing happened?
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should be de-FAGMAN
there was a guy a few threads ago who went through 500 hoops to remove everything he owned from google only to host everything on microsoft servers
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More like /schizo/.
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>>108939565
>buy new Samsung phone
>have to make a Google account to use the Google store
>have to make a Google account TO SEND TEXT MESSAGES

Dumbphones can send SMS without requiring a Google account. Why can't smartphones?
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>>108939665
Do you like the idea of buying a refrigerator and having to connect it to a cloud in order to be able to use it? If you support Google, you support this.
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prism-break.org still up to date
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>>108937936
I live and have gotten used to using Gemini for troubleshooting, coding and homelab projects via a VPN or TOR. What AI should I use instead with these?
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>>108943561
like*
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>>108939400
>pretty much every private email hoster + Thunderbird. e.g.
I mainly use email for making accounts. Can I do that with private email? Can I get a private email that will work for making accounts for free?
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>>108937936
What do I do about email? That's the one Google service I still rely on. Are there any free providers that will be around for the foreseeable future and can be trusted?
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>>108943578
there's protonmail, but they don't let you use third party clients without paying for a subscription and using their bridge app.
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>>108943578
I'd at least consider paying for your own domain and then from there, while I think Yandex no longer offers free "business" email, I think Zoho still offers free mailboxes with custom domain support.

Rationale: A few years ago, I had a wake-up call when I attempted to purchase something on Google Play, but mistakenly entered my card details wrong twice, setting off Google's anti-fraud system, which suspended my entire Google account, including my Gmail.
Fortunately, by then, I had already switched most of my stuff away to my own domain, but it made me realize just how fucked I'd have been if I was actually reliant on Google, Microsoft, Proton, or whomever else.

Right now, I use the ~$5 a month Fastmail plan out of laziness with a couple of my own domains. I have it configured to act as a catch-all, and then I use something similar to https://blame.email/ to generate unique addresses for each service.
The catch-all is nice because, if I suddenly start receiving spam or whatever, I can immediately tell which service either got breached or sold my data.
In the past, I had just naively done things like `paypal@mysite.tld`, but I switched to the blame-email-style truncated salted hashes instead since that eliminates the guessability and thus reduces the ease of spearphishing, etc.
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>>108944687
I got a few questions.

If you pay for your domain, what do you do when you fuck up the hosting and take your site down by accident? If you registered it with its own email, you're screwed. So you have to have a different email account somewhere for recovery, and in that case, why not just use it?

How picky do you have to be about your TLD? Like .xyz domains are $1/year, but probably everything blocks them. Is it .com or bust?

And since you self-host, have you run into problems with gmail or other places blocking your emails for spam?
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>>108941749
but i can so... pretty sure it's phone specific, not android specific issue.
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Does anyone remember that one website with a yellow theme that was a guide on how to get better privacy / anonymize yourself online?
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>>108939400
Ollama vs ChatGPT
ChatGPT
>Write me a paper on the sun
>Ok here you go, the sun is a large ball of gas in the center of the solar system, 98 million miles from the er.............."
meanwhile
Ollama
>write me a paper on the sun
>ok: peanut butter and moose guts, fish oil, and chinese checkers..............
Hmmmmm
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>>108937936
Tap.
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Why you can't beat Google.
1. Google owns javascript and has an interpreter inside their web browser.
They can intercept all traffic and change it, if you are competition they use this to setup a heaven ban.
2. Google has their code on all major websites with transactions, they have all resources going through them.
3. Google has an error corrector which looks at closely related keys on keyboard then autocorrects to.
4. Google has a synonym search compiler, when you search 1 phrase, they search potentially hundreds
5. Google has o(1) search because they use an advanced database system like SQL
6. Google has multiple servers which cannot be taken down and all operate Google
7. Everyone uses chromium including everyone in government
8. All search engine competition is google
9. Google does not use pagerank, they choose who appears in their search engine
10. Google intercepts all website communication and man in the middles them
11. You are dating a Google AI you've never met before and he/she/they/them looks better than any real person on planet earth
12. Google uses technology from other tech providers to extract money from it
13. Google saves all your payment information and can hack you at any moment
14. Google saves all your identity information and can identify fraud you at any moment
15. Google pays it's worker minimum wage and their workers don't speak English properly
16. Google says they can beat everyone at the same time.
17. Google exploits laws to the maximum degree in every country it operates in and breaks those laws
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Google causes Havana Syndrome.
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>>108945709
nah
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>>108943350
>Up to date
>Updated: 2024-12-19
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>Maps
?
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>>108939598
Kek what a retard
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>>108937936
need more links and details - your dollar store general isn't good enough to be a real general
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I don't think you need LineageOS for MicroG anymore. Just the normal LineageOS builds are once again able to use MicroG. They finally disabled that spoofing protection thing. Happened a while ago.
Startpage is just a Google proxy, so if you take issue with Google having search engine dominance this doesn't help. Also, it rate limits pretty often and has you fill out captchas all the time after you've used it for a bit. Makes sense because it's basically free SERP. DDG and Brave are decent these days though. I haven't been missing Google search, which they have nosedived to make their AI options more appealing.
>>108945637
Really depends on which model you use.
>>108945812
Organic Maps is quite good as long as you don't need public transport routing. The footpaths are actually a little more complete in their mapping than Google, and the roads are the same as far as I've seen.
They're working on public transport, but for now Google is the only service I know of that can link up different public transport options into a full route. It's technically feasible to do a better job than Google at public transport routing, just a big job.
>>108939400
Mostly good, though they do largely rely on self-hosting (which is a good idea if you want to break reliance on Google, though not everyone will be doing it).
A lot of these are also not Google, e.g. Wikipedia.
>SearXNG
Rate limits like crazy if you use a public instance. A bit heavy if you self-host but not terrible.
>Forgejo
Protest fork of Gitea that offers nothing over it. Have a look at why they actually forked from Gitea before you decide on which one you want to use. For me I decided I don't care about what Gitea did.
>Nextcloud
Bloated. Extremely heavy and slow for what it does. Better to break out which services you actually need from it and handle them separately. This is one of those suggestions with a lot of good will and PR, but few people have actually tried it. They just know it's the "go to" option.
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>>108948136
>Bloated. Extremely heavy and slow for what it does. Better to break out which services you actually need from it and handle them separately. This is one of those suggestions with a lot of good will and PR, but few people have actually tried it. They just know it's the "go to" option.
I fucked up the formating, but i also mentioned Seafile, which focuses way more on file storage / syncing / sharing
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>>108948147
Ah I see. Seafile is a good suggestion.
Not saying any of this to imply your post is bad btw. I think it's good. Just some caveats I've bumped up against before that I think people skip over often.
If you are the kind of person who is self-hosting anyway, you might find SFTP mounted as a filesystem on your client machine better, lighter, and more well-integrated than any of the graphical options. Though, if you have friends and family you're trying to help out too I understand that that's probably dead on arrival for them and it needs to be graphical.
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>>108948185
>If you are the kind of person who is self-hosting anyway
yes i am :D
>>108948136
>Rate limits like crazy if you use a public instance. A bit heavy if you self-host but not terrible.
I selfhost mine and made it open for public, I haven't seen any ratelimiting so far
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>>108944728
nta but I use a .zip tld and never had any issues (even less mainstream than .xyz) although I use simplelogin instead of self hosting
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Kagi seems pretty good. I like its search engine and translator.

I alternate between DDG and Kagi for my searches and do all my translating with Kagi now (free)
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>>108937936
I use gmail, google pixel and face/fingerprint biometrics so there's no point in getting off it now right?They have everything on me.
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>>108949906
They are not coming to your house and arrest you if you stop using Google. There's a lot of point in getting off Google's wild ride: you stop supporting a dystopian future ruled by evil megacorporations.
If you like all that biometric shit, you can use Google's competitors for it instead, rather than putting all your eggs in the same basket. Remember that if Google bans you, all your attached Google services will be instantly banned as well. And trying to get it unbanned will probably be like negotiating with a brick wall.
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>>108943578
I wouldn't host your own email. Yeah I get it blah blah blah but that's like the one thing that benefits from being a centralized "never offline" provider.
That being said idk where to go either. Probably proton. I was thinking of paying the sub anyways because I was gonna use their VPN and I like some of the features it has.

If you can guarantee uptime though then go for self hosting and pay for a domain, but honestly that's one of the few things I'm not really willing to self host
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>>108949906
The way I see it is no, nothing bad will ever happy to you exactly unless you are literally committing domestoc terrorism and raping kids. I mean you can't degoogle yourself out of the watchdogs eyes unless you're a cyber security opsec professional.

But the reason you do it is because you're tired of being a data point for companies to mine data off of while making their services shittier and more frustrating so you spend more time in them. That's what enshittfication really is. It's not just pajeets being incompetent but it's management willingly letting things get shittier because it raises the engagement time.

And remember you don't have to just go cold turkey. I still use Gmail. I'd like to stop but it's hard to break away. That doesn't mean my other efforts are in vain however. One step at a time. Maybe it's as simple as "I'm done using chrome" or "I'm gonna use a different app that isn't by big tech". I think the real reason to do any of this is personal growth and taking responsibility for your digital life. That's way bigger than GOOGLE KNOWS I BOUGHT 50 PACKAGES OF DRAGON DILDOES
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>>108949906
its never too late.
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>>108949906
the best time to stop using Google was ~2010. the next best time is today

pic rel was from 1999
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i dont see an mpv thread up so ill ask it here, is hardware encoding something i should always enable? found out today i didnt have it enabled at all when i tried to play and 8k vr jav flick and it was choppy af. had to add hwdec=auto-safe to my conf file which was empty
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>>108950757
i want to go back to when everything was blissful
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>Google search
Ironically, Google's Gemma 4 has completely replaced Google search for me. It's perfect for my needs and for its size, specifically the 31B model
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>>108943561
Deepseek
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>>108949906
If you stop now, you stop feeding them the additional information you will generate after this point.
Obviously your biometrics aren't going to change. In theory they will have to delete them when you delete your account (with varying amounts of credibility behind that depending on jurisdiction, yes they hate deleting data, but they also hate huge EU fines). You'll still be using programs though, sending and receiving emails. Unless you are old and close to death you'll still cut them off from a significant amount of data about you they wouldn't otherwise have.
You should remember as well, they're not actually all that interested in your biometrics. What would they use them for? It's easy to imagine they have some vaguely nefarious use for them, but actually, they don't. What would you be able to do if you got hold of someone's fingerprints? Nothing really. What they are interested in is what they can advertise to you around, your current interests, things you are likely to spend money on soon. Your emails reflect all of that and your biometrics reflect nothing of it. It changes too so they only really care about up to date information. They are, at their core, and advertising company.
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>>108951716
ask in sqt then



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