>>108939374
Only a small percentage of software engineers are actually worth their salary.
The rest are glorified code monkeys who will be made redundant.

my favorite thing is when zuck said he fired all the bad swes and kept the good ones to train the ai
and so now the swes still at facebook are training the ai that's gonna replace them later
it's even recording their mouse movements and keystrokes
hahahhahahahahaha

>doing 3x the work
Not really
Typing English into a box and reading slop PRs is barely work
They have the easiest job in the world
They should be grateful

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>>108939374
Lol, aiGODS won
Codetrans seething and coping rn. I’m glad that they are suffering and many of them will commit suicide

omg its twidder

>>108939374
>AI WON'T REPLACE SWES REEEEE!!!!
What does that even mean in that vestigial Indian brain of yours? Learn how to use a toilet, subhuman.

>>108939374
AI can't replace me because I work a day job and spend the rest of my time caring for elderly family members

Feels good purposebros

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>>108939411
>be anon
>working a fulfilling job with solid career prospects and a nice pay packet
>suddenly AI starts "augmenting" our work per top-level directions
>workflow largely the same except floor manager keeps demanding we "meet AI quotas" or some bullshit
>volume of work submitted rises 10-20% because the chatbot can spit out random shit that looks passable at first glance
>manager only ever has a first glance at anything so in his mind it's pure profit
>newest colleagues are let go because of lack of work
>cycle repeats until 1/3rd of our team remains
>spend all day unfucking the AI garbled bullshit because all it does is recognise patterns and apply them
>volume of total projects being submitted takes a nosedive
>manager-not-happy.csv
>requires us to stay late (unpaid ofc) to keep the workrate up
>no entry-level workers means no natural flow upwards for anybody
Thanks AI.

>>108939471
Good. I hope all coders get replaced

>>108939374
One programmer in C can do the work of 10 in assembly. According to your anecdote one engineer with AI does the work of 4 without. Did compilers replace SWEs?

>>108939495
software "engineers" have never existed, i reject the premise

>>108939374
>the codebase is slowly turning into spaghetti
Did you even read the post anon?

>>108939504
So we will keep non-existing and taking fat checks while you keep malding.

>>108939517
stop kidding yourself, monkey

>>108939504
yeah, there's no systems engineering going on at all while you design large complex software systems...

>>108939532
you dont design shit. you only shit. memory is there to be used.

>>108939471
Cool story bro
Coding was the easiest job in the world, (which is why it got automated first) and it's even easier now

>>108939374
So, did it save them money or not?

>>108939780
Not with the price hikes that are happening now.
And the more important thing - it did not bring them any revenue, while making the foundation of their products more fragile.

Companies like this will have to start hiring expensive programmers to unfuck the AI code in the next couple of years. Or will go out of business. (If the story is even true and not a bot post.)

>>108939374
You know what bothers me most about all this AI bullshit, it's not the hype, it's that companies today are injecting every increasing dependencies into their systems. My foundational rule for design is to aim for zero external dependencies, and minimize otherwise. This shit ain't token maxing, it's dependency maxing. It makes systems extremely "brittle".

>>108939873
ever*

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>>108939374
The only purpose left of ALL white-collar jobs is now to provide the needful data of what actually goes on in a day of the job.

>>108939374
Its every field, wdym? There are still truckers who think nothing will happen to them because Elon Musk predicted their demise decade early.

>>108939925
Truckers are fine because even if they got it to 99% functional, it'll never be 100%, and that means liability is going to need all kinds of new law beyond the insurance/liability problems. It would take the legal system 30+ years to catch up.

>>108939374
>AI is already replacing SWEs by reducing the headcounts
It was clear to me this will happen the moment ChatGPT was shown with code writing capabilities I just couldn't predict how long it would take to happen

There were moments when it felt like they hit some roadblocks and LLMs will slowdown with performance improvements. But the newer models slowly got gains in performance and started to add up for productivity

>>108939495
>One programmer in C can do the work of 10 in assembly.
Have you seen more job opportunities for Assembly OR for C

>>108939961
I don't even know what point you're trying to make here

>>108939936
Nah, driving in city traffic is way more complex than driving on highways and Waymo has already paved the way for it

>>108939969
There are way less job opportunities for Assembly over C because more things can get done using C rather than program everything in Assembly directly. The productivity gains from C made the demand for Assembly programmers less even if its not zero

My point is productivity from AI gains will translate to less job opportunities for SWEs

>>108939979
Who's going to be using the AI, anon?

>>108939979
>illiterate self-pwning retard thinks he has a point
lolol

>>108939971
Waymo doesn't work for shit and there's been a couple scandals about it lately.

>>108939971
>driving in cities
Literally the dumbest shit ever. We should not have cars in cities.

>>108939925
Even if they get fully self driving trucks they will still need to put a person on each truck to defend it from bandits.

>>108939936
Truckers are fine because you need to buy new self driving trucks to automate them. We are unironically closer to truckers being automated by placing teslabots in driver's seat then we are replacing all trucks with custom self-driving trucks.

>>108940015
>Even if they get fully self driving trucks they will still need to put a person on each truck to defend it from bandits.
I too cannot wait for the day when highway piracy is a legitimate job choice due to stupid corporations.

So, they really won in the end, uh? Everyone is using the term ''Artificial. Intelligence''. Semantics wins wars.

>>108939374
>4 engineers have to do code review of output of 12 engineers
Im sure that'll go well long-term

>>108939374
according to your reddit text they're busy babysitting AI, so they have no time to create value for the company.
just because a company makes a stupid decision and is still alive the next day doesn't mean it was a good decision.
here's the question you should be asking yourself: if AI 3x their productivity, why didn'they 3x the output of all 12 people instead of just the 4 and made a shitton more money?

>>108939402
yeah, zucc the visionary you burned untold amounts of money on his metaverse nonsense.

>>108940002
It keeps expanding operations in other cities nonetheless and continues growing its revenues

>>108940211
You have to be next level retarded to think there is any relationship between these two concepts.

>>108940005
Public transport is communism

>>108939982
Employers

>>108940234
You just don't want to admit waymo is succeeding in the business of autonomous driving

>>108939993
>Too dumb to give a counterargument and needs to rely on ad hominems as a response instead
kek

>>108940246
>roses are red
>no it's not true actually the sun shines
>ok wtf does that have to do with roses being red
>you just don't want to admit the sun is shining1111!!
Inbred

>>108939979
>productivity from AI

Where's all the productivity then? So far i've only seen Microjeet and various big services getting worse.

>>108940347
They were getting worse before AI too, they are getting by on same level of productivity with fewer headcount and little to no new hiring

>>108940357
None of that is true except the no hiring lol
You clearly haven't used github in the past few years lmao

>>108939471
Sounds like you're just getting walked over dude. The company I worked at started down this same path, I gave them a ultimatum that the first script by AI I'm asked to debug is also my resignation. It happened and I resigned. In the process I doubled my salary.

>>108940111
>the code is already turning into spaghetti
Very well

>>108940347
they were getting worse before AI
they are getting worse faster now
that's progress

Can anyone point me to someone on youtube or whatever actually showing themselves being productive with LLMs while producing high quality code? Antirez has a few blog posts but I'd like to see an actual proper programmer's workflow

>>108939374
>First it was "just helping the team
move faster." Then the layoffs started quietly.
slop

>>108939374
ai;dr

>>108939374
>>AI WON'T REPLACE SWES REEEEE!!!!
indeed it won't
>Are the masses in this field just ultra coping at this point?
current-gen "ai" are very bad at software
>AI is already replacing SWEs by reducing the headcounts
execs are retarded exhibits #321414321
ibm did that and just re-hired the same numbers after admitting it was a mistake.
>the technology itself is only getting better
barely, if at all
anthropic is quietly nerfing their models right before they release a new one because they know these shit aren't worth the billions they spend on them and people agree as they barely make any money and never will.
not a single company is making money by building these models and all the companies with big claims about productivity gains fail to provide data, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM.

they're all lying, I'm a senior swe at fagman-tier company with very high requirement wrt code quality, ai-generated code fail review EVERY SINGLE TIME. the code generated (C, asm for me) is subpar, I have interns under me who produce better code for a fraction of the cost of AI.
it's absolutely not worth it except for mundane short tasks like light shell scripting and webdev (it's crazy that webdev is a job at all, it's literally the easiest job possible you can get that can be done by typing on a keyboard.

also the cost of these tools will SKYROCKET very soon, microsoft, uber, amazon, google and other are already SEVERELY limiting token per employees as the benefits of AI aren't there and the costs are just too high and keep rising.
for most companies outside the cuckolding valley it's already not worth the cost anymore, I know my, over 130k employees, already cancelled subscription in most of asia and third-world branches because of cost alone, these AI will be worthless if only HIV-positive subhumans from san francisco can use them.

>>108939504
They seethe when you point out they aren’t engineers at all kek

>>108939390
This. Very few are even what I'd consider sentient.

>>108940005
100% walkable city means most people live in rented cuck apartments, not cool unfortunately

>>108939905
>to provide the needful data of what actually goes on in a day of the job
this is what i am a little unsettled by.
back during the plandemic it became glaringly obvious that this global system can chug along nicely with a literal fraction of human input. (something previously deemed ridiculous and impossible)
by this logic, AI would have to eventually reveal that at least 50% of people actually are not doing any sophisticated or essential work at all.
i'd guess this is true for at least every "job" and "occupation" involving a desk, a pc and a monitor.
or in other words: there is probably not much to train AI...

>>108939936
99% will be good enough and the law is for poor people and will bend to the worlds first trillionaire

>>108940002
>Waymo doesn't work for shit and there's been a couple scandals about it lately.
stop reading zerohedge-tier economic hitpieces

>>108939971
This.
Latest hardware/latest software combination of Tesla FSD and latest fleet Waymo vehicles have proven that self driving is solved good-enough-ish.
the only hold up are geriatrics not even using cruise control on the freeway still making laws.

>>108940015
>they will still need to put a person on each truck to defend it from bandits
for a fraction of the salary of a trucker

>>108940147
>here's the question you should be asking yourself: if AI 3x their productivity, why didn'they 3x the output of all 12 people instead of just the 4 and made a shitton more money?
you know what, anon?
there might actually be a limit to "productivity" because at one point in time there might be no task left for a certain goal to be accomplished...

AI will eventually show that without humans clinging to muh work, muh employment - which eventually only leads to make-work LARPing - there is actually a very, very finite amount of tasks to be done.

3x productivity also probably won't translate into 3x more revenue. where would the three fold increase in customers come from? (for a toilet paper manufacturer for example...)

>>108940234
read >>108940246

>>108942041
>May I see it?
THIS IS NOT HOW THIS WORKS OK BUDDY?!?!"!

>>108944757
you sound like eli the computer guy and that guy has been wrong in outcome since the early 2000s
>inb4 i don't know who this is

>>108945219
I do'nt know who this is, I try to stay away from mutt "culture" to prevent brain damage

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>>108939374
these fake stories always follow the same format

meanwhile my company is hiring new engineers, can't relate.

>>108942041
I am not a dev but LLMs seem to be doing great at generating boilerplate code

>>108945334
Are they hiring college graduates with no experience or some workers that already have enough experience

>>108945108
>at least 50% of people actually are not doing any sophisticated or essential work at all.
That's always been the case though. The majority of office jobs are fake. They have at most maybe 4 hours of real work in a week and then have to pretend to work for the rest of the time.

>>108947292
I'm a new CS grad and I am currently in 4 selection iters, but I'm in europe, so our job market is not fucked by outsourcing to cheaper countries (such as mine) or by H1B slavery

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>>108939374
So with all these software engineers doing the work of 1000 programmers solo now all software prices will surely plummet any second and many will just create their own companies because they can easily to the work of a whole team, right?

>>108947501
I thought europe was worse with the immigration problem

>>108947506
Labor for SWE is the highest cost for tech companies, that will shift to infrastructure

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>>108947542
So they expect to increase their userbases at the same rate as they save money on developers to justify their increased spending on infrastructure?

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>>108947536
For software and IT? No(t yet)
In europe devs always had a relatively mid salary without the giant peaks you saw in the US.
Immigration wise we mostly have minimum wage workers, and doctors/nurses.
Pajeets mostly flooded the UK, which fortunately quarantined themselves via brexit.
However there are attempts to flood the EU with jeets too now, they certainly started completely shitting up our universities in the past 3-5 years.

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>>108945108
COVID proved the minimum wage grocery worker is the most essential job.
The issue is that the modern economy is dependent on the demand of "useless eaters" for cash flow.
While the menial grunt does backbreaking labor for peanuts, and the intellectual work is an altruistic priesthood.
So the people actually making the money are the slimiest rats running a scam.

>>108947576
>However there are attempts to flood the EU with jeets too now, they certainly started completely shitting up our universities in the past 3-5 years.
I guess in 5 years its gonna be the same story in europe unless AI gets them first

>>108944757
Vitaly is that you

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>>108939390
Agree and I truly wish that this would be true, but sadly the codemonkeys will still survive this, ultimately. The current thing is just a temporary market disruption.

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If AI so great then why money transfers still take a week to show up?

>>108939374
>Technology is getting better
Name a few that AI actually made it better.

>>108940239
Bahaha.
We get the over hiring status because employees are lazy.
AI still needs someone to push buttons and click mouse.

>>108947588
At least here in germany the poo-in-loos mostly just completely abuse our free universities. They don't (yet) intend to stay here and it is actually the case that the majority immediately fucks off the second they get their degree.
Problem is that both the left and right look at that and instead of coming to the conclusion that maybe we shouldn't waste 5-10 billion euros a year to gift education to jeets, they started pushing the narrative that we should do much more to keep them in the country afterwards.
The left want that because "muh diversity & everybody welcome" and the right want it to further dump wages as much as possible.
So yeah it's gonna get worse eventually.

>>108939374
I'm skeptical since that reddit post is AI as well.
Too much work to just type your own thoughts like a normal person? Then it's too much work for me to read your slop

>>108939374
AI will replace all workers, turn software into swiss cheese and we will have all these ex-employees turning into hackers.
Every big corpo server will turn into a warzone between several hackers trying to get the data first.

>>108947600
Masturbation

>>108939374
>train your replacement
Redditors are fucking stupid.

>>108947542
sounds like someone needs to learn how to run a business