this shit is retardedit's just a dongle with extra steps
the rj45 module is even more retarded
>>108957007It all makes sense when you realize that Framework laptops are just Macbooks for manchildren.Actual people who need an actual x86 laptops already had Thinkpads, Elitebooks and Latitudes.
the point is that it fits more sleekly in a bag and on your lap when it's one device and nothing is poking out. having stuff dangling off of your device is jank
>>108957128You know what's even better than dongles? Having enough baked in I/O that there's no need for dongles. Kinda like what every x86 laptop has been doing, including Macbooks after the USB-C only I/O experiment failed.
>>108957049No laptop makes sense in 2026. It was fun in 80's, 90's and even early 2000's, when portable computers could not yet fit in your pocket.Nowadays if your own a laptop, it means you're a nomad, you don't have a home with a table and a chair and a big monitor.You have to be on the move, all your possesions fit in several bags, you basically own as much as random homeless person.Then you probably should own a laptop, I can't blame you.But if you're not like that and you own a laptop, then you're an idiot. You are ruining your health for no reason when you use it. It is only justifiable in special cases, when you're looking for a job and moving from place to place because there are no jobs in your location, so before you relocate you live in hotels, motels, your car etc. That is understandable. But when you are settled, why would you want a laptop? Think about it. It's the stupidest desicion in your life if you get one when you already have a stable job, a house and want to not feel the pain in your neck everyday.
>>108957180>>108957049does your shit laptop have 4 total thunderbolt ports? no? didnt think so
>>108957007scan the qr code, goy!
>>108957007It makes sense whenever a port fucks up and you can just replace it for $9
>>108957228>4 total thunderbolt portsWanna know why? Because it dedicates 2-3 bandwidth's worth of Thunderbolt for actually useful I/O instead of gimping it so that the manufacturer can sell me overpriced proprietary dongles instead.
>>108957256then the port you plug this shit in dies
>>108957007What bothers the fuck out of me is that they don't sell one with two USB-C ports, this shit is a dongle anyways so why not make it useful? They could easily fit 2 into one.Imagine paying 10 bucks for a USB-C port extension. If Framework didn't have these retarded modules I would probably have given them a chance.
>>108957268>Wanna know why? Because it dedicates 2-3 bandwidth's worth of Thunderbolt for actually useful I/O instead of gimping it so that the manufacturer can sell me overpriced proprietary dongles insteadwtf is this nonsensical esl babble reply? is framework hate really jeeted now? lol
sure, but it was okay when project ara did it
>>108957269Not likely.The entire point is that you save plug cycles and general wear and tear on the dongle while the actual mobo port is unaffected.USB-C must be fucking godly if not a single soul can envision how Framework's dongles can avoid needing mobo replacement or micro soldering for port damage.It's literally one of the most common repairs in laptops.
>>108957007I agree but did a thread have to die for thisReminds me of this youtuber who was saying this is a better solution compared to dongles especially since he can carry his spare modules and swap themDude thats just donglesNeat idea but practically speaking this should just be one slot. I miss expresscard.
>>108957223Desktops have been dead since 2000s Luddite.
>>108957007thats the whole point its an integrated dongle so you can run USB A/C or all display output or whatever you want>>108957284its too small to fit 2 usbc connectors. i do think if they really wanted they could design their storage expansion cards to also have a USBA/C connector so you could combine extra storage with usb with an internal usb switch
>>108957525for example this, someone made one with a USBA port and an internal mouse dongle you could do the same with the PCB of one of those really tiny 512GB usb flash drives
>>108957007We don't use the R word around here anymore. Please clean up your acting.*post brought to you by the no cussing gang*
i have a feeling that this should have been in a form of a daughterboard and some sort of io shield equivalent to cover itrepairability doesnt need to mean 'everything can be stripped apart within 30 seconds at the cost of everything else'
>>108957572(me)also it is just me thing but that dongle approach gives it a feeling of toy made for the sake of consumerismi have no logical explanation to it nor i am willing to explain why but i'd take pinebook more serious than that unironicallly
>>108957007It doesn't stick out, and that makes all the difference.>>108957180True. I think the 16 went too far by making you use up a slot for the headphone jack. The smaller models just have an integrated jack because it's fucking sensible.>>108957223Holy lack of imagination. Even at home, I like having my laptop on the shitter (with a dinky table I can pull over), and I've got a nice external monitor on my desk. Then there's going out and traveling.
>>108957228>>108957268only apple gives you a separate tb controller per port, intel scams you with one controller and shared bandwidth between ports and amd doesn't have thunderbolt support at all
>>108957180true, but this is their hook, their gimmickso it makes senseit feeds a bit into a fantasy where everything is usb-c
>>108957292I want to go back :(I had hopes for the future back then.
>>108957284the usb-c expansion card has an additional fuse set in it, you can always run without it and raw dog the port, nobody is stopping youthe whole point is that you can damage that expansion card and not damage the actual laptop usb-c and have to resolder SMTI wouldn't expect unemployed /g/tards to understand this though, they've never repaired a laptop in their life
>>108957011>Laptops too thin to have a proper RJ45-sized expansion card>Have to cancer itThey know most of their market is wifi-only folks.
>>108957007>>108957011that's just apple products in general
>>108957180baking I/O is retarded when ports change and underlying bandwidth changesUSB-C is just a hardware contract for a physical port.The chips behind it can get faster, as can the devices that hook up to it.Framework chassis' from 2021 will still be usable in 2030 with a simple and cheap mainboard swap. and then you just swap the expansion cards when the protocols update, so you aren't stuck with DP 1.4 or HDMI 2.0, you can use DP 2.1, etc.When you can also use the same expansion cards on your Framework Desktop you don't have to re-buy ports.The problem with the FW desktop is the lack of RAM slots, which was so fucking retarded on their part. They should have gone with Intel ironically enough, anybody buying a desktop machine doesn't want soldered RAM.
>>108958008imagine defending a company who made their entire identity around 'right to repair' while cucking boardview releases as a repairmanlol, lmao even
>>108958047>cheap mainboard swapFramework fanboys actually say this lmfao
>>108957007Are Framework laptops even good?The quality feels like it's straight from chinkshit, hell even lower.
>>108958034The RJ45 card is fine, I have two of them. I keep one in my bag for when I need to hardwire.You aren't supposed to keep it in your laptop 100% of the time. I keep my extra just connected to the ethernet cable on my desk.The only problem I have with them is that they're overpriced, the 10gbe is exorbitant at $80
>>108958063>Are Framework laptops even good?They're VASTLY overpriced for the gimmick of an easy-to-repair laptop.>t. Own a first-batch 16 that has thermal issues that the Jeet refuses to acknowledgeThey're a boutique laptop with a gimmick that other laptop manufacturers are starting to copy (even Thinkpads), slowly.You're paying for essentially a start-up.
>>108957223right on. fuck laptops. nothing beats a desktop when you have the space. That’s all that’s needed.>>108957624your poop particles are going inside your laptop vents
>>108957951I know that feel. Google used to be cool.>>108957011>>108958034Damn that's horrible, can't they do one of those flip-down designs? I guess the chassis doesn't sit high enough off the table?
>>108958054how poor are you? My 7640U was like ~$400 at preorder time. I reused my SSD and bought cheap RAM (pre-RAMpocalypse) and spent like $300 less than buying a new 7640U machine. and I got to keep my keyboard layout. I hate learning a new keyboard on each laptop refresh, it's annoying af>>108958049I've already repaired CPU fans on three boards and resold them. The "first-attempt" 11th gen shipped with a hardware RTC bug that I've fixed on a bunch of boards and resold for decent profit.Framework has literally made my computing experience free with less than 10 hours of work and $20 of thermal paste (of which I have 80% left). You can't do this with Apple devices, you're literally locked out from fixing them considering the component pairing requirement.>>108958063they had very little money to start with and couldn't even CNC the thing in the beginning, I would only buy a Framework Pro now assuming you have money. Don't even waste your time on the original model, it was developed as a compromise because a lack of seed capital. even the original model beats chinkshit though.>>108958077you can buy used ones on eBay or FW marketplace and pay 30-50% less for older hardware. I buy broken mainboards on ebay all the time and repair and sell, if I wanted to put together a $400 FW I could easily with used parts>>108958131you can always repurpose the old mainboard as a desktop thoughI use my old 12th gen board as a plex server
>>108957180>after the USB-C only I/O experiment failed.they still only have USB-C, they just did the smart thing of adding magsafe back (removing it was the dumbest thing theyve ever done) and they added the SD card slot back. You still need a dongle or an adapter to use any normal USB device>>108957049this
>>108958242the Pro models have HDMI tardofunny part is only recently did they actually start supporting HDMI 2.1. I can't imagine spending $4000 on a machine that can only do HDMI 2.0, partly because I own a Framework and can just swap my ports whenever I feel like it. adapt or die nigger
>>108958034They don't have to force you to buy a dongle. But they do
>>108958260yeah ya know between my dell and my HP laptops I forgot that framework ball chortlers and apple buttlovers consider a video output to be IO
>>108957011What kind of incel uses an ethernet connection with a laptop?
>>108958341bidirectional information exchange do happen thoughso it literally is an io port
>>108958346The kind with a real tech job... Frameworks really are just MacBooks for HR gays
>>108957007No, it's notDongles are much cheaper and more useful because they work in other devices.
>>108958242type-c is for normal devices, type-a is usually some legacy e-waste garbage
>>108958262Looks like it breaks easily.
>>108958047the people that buy framework laptops will just buy the newest model with the current io ports
>>108957007Sex is retardedIt's just rape with extra steps
>>108957007I like them.
>>108957292No it wasn't. Everyone with half a brain knows it's a retarded idea that would fail as soon as someone breathed "cooling" or "pin count".
>>108957292this made more sense than framework ever didphones are shitty cheap devices, if apple could have sold a headphone jack addon instead of a dongle, they probably would have made more money with the iPhone 7
>>108957007To play devils advocate here, every time you plug or unplug a socket it becomes less effective at it's job. Even mag safe port contacts will eventually wear out. When they do on a traditional laptop, your 90% screwed as most USB-C is now tied directly to the motherboard, so you have to get a new motherboard rather than just a new port. The idea with the modules here was that the base port will have a drastically less amount of plug ins, meaning that by the time the outer plug fails, the inner one will still be damage free. Older laptops, like Thinkpads and Latitudes just added more ports, in home that if one USB failed, others would be there to take it's place.>why not just use a dongle then?You can! Pretty much every laptop port will benefit from an adaptor as it prevents the inner port from being overused. The biggest problem with external adaptors is form factor and damage resistance. (i.e if the item is dropped)>>108959142I think the largest negative industrial trend is the rejection of standardized parts and the worry about bulkiness. I've recently found a few computers with breakout boards (which connect the internal usb hub to the motherboard via ribbons) which do a better job than external boards in a lot of cases. The largest issue with modular devices is compatibility. If the device's parts are all proprietary to the manufacture then the user may end up paying more than just throwing out the model entirely. The same issue plagues the rugged luggable sector of computing as well. Each generation and model share nothing from prior generations and part support is slim to none. Compare that to 20-30 years ago where resistors, bands, screws and cables were all fairly easy to find at your local Radio Shack. I think most people who want modular devices are looking for the mobility to upgrade them at a cheaper cost than buying new.
I'm just glad there's still something that resembles actual innovation instead of spamming whatever gimmicky keyword is trendy.
Framework won, Chinovo lost. Sorry anon.
>>108957223It means I like to use a laptop on a lap desk with my feet up on the footstool while sitting in my armchair next to my wife in front of my 70 inch TV in the living room rather than using my desktop all alone upstairs in my study
>>108957624>I like having my laptop on the shitterVery reasonable and necessary use case. Not.>Then there's going out and travelingEven worse. The fuck are you gonna use laptop for while traveling? Imagine pulling it out while in taxi or something. It's just awkward and stupid.Face it. Laptops should not exist. Office dwellers can do their power point presentations with tablets over wireless. You have laptop because of the shills, not because you need one.>>108959695For what exactly? Same as using it while taking a shit. You're watching a TV? Watch a tv. Talking to your wife? Talk to her, forget the media feed slop.
>>108958533Still very few type-C mice, last I checked. No, I will not recharge my fucking mouse.>>108959771At the hotel, duh. Cripes, back in my day, trolling meant something.
>>108958558I have a similar flip down port on my Thinkpad, and it's surprisingly robust.Multiple times I've been walking through my bedroom in the dark, snag the ethernet cable with my foot, and rip the thing out of the socket. No damage.
>>108958512it's literally a dongle retard, you can plug it into another computer
>>108959228>every time you plug or unplug a socket it becomes less effective at it's jobthis applies to the internal facing USB-C end of a frameworkand a lot of people who rave about it also mention them swapping the dongles regularlyso they can actually wear out their ports without even having to plug in anythingand thats okay they can just replace the whole motherboard instead of learning how to solder
>>108958008these people are street shitters. they are not the neets of /g/
>>108957007Why not use the standard solution? This shit actually worked and there are tons of these cards already made.
>>108958008>an additional fuse set in iteveryone else just adds it as part of the motherboard
>>108962683Low transfer speeds
