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Oh no monkeyglisters, it's nover
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/nvidia-unveils-dgx-sparrk-roadmap-for-laptops-and-desktop-pcs-at-computex-2026-three-generations-outlined-rubin-followed-by-rosa-feynman
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What's going on transistors, this wasn't supposed to happen
https://www.tomshardware.com/laptops/microsoft-surface-laptop-ultra-weilds-nvidias-rtx-spark-superchip-with-128gb-of-ram-20-arm-cpu-cores-and-a-blackwell-gpu-15-inch-mini-led-pixelsense-ultra-display-rounds-out-the-powerful-package
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I don't feel so good
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/nvidia-says-rtx-spark-chip-will-support-all-major-anti-cheat-and-drm-technologies-fortnite-valorant-denuvo-and-more-to-work-natively-with-windows-on-arm
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Ah yes let's sell a drm platform, that still be popular. Waiting for the chinks to scale up x86 clone production
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>>108959548
It will be popular. Most people have no idea what DRM is, nor do they care. But they'll end up dragging the rest of us down with them.
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>>108959441
Have fun executing 12 times the instructions of x86.
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>>108959548
>Waiting for the chinks to scale up x86 clone production

Why x86 and not RISC-V?
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dead on arrival
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>>108959924
You don't even want to know how bad the RISC-V version would be. >>108959867
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>>108959867
None of them get used for the majority of everyday tasks
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>>108959466
so this is the target demographic?
gaymers who don't make enough money to afford papa x86
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>>108959930
This is why RISC-V sucks.
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tfw nvidia made the reddit r/hardware mods sticky the spark announcement post because people are so bootyblasted about AI they downvoted everything related to it
getting zesty out there
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>>108959867
fortunately my programs do more than just compute aes over and over so i will be fine.
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>>108959977
it's not about the cpu per se, its about the ram and gpu. nvdia has a near monopoly on domestic gpus (and other in general) and vendors have issues supplying ram. nvdia has the clout to supply both and is doing so in a single package. in future even if you have enough money to buy whatever you want (and these systems will probably not be cheap anyway) you may find you don't have much choice. nvdia has already scaled down its supplying consumer vendors with gpus. how convenient.
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>>108960004
This is unsurprising.
r/hardware is full of a few types of "people":
>stock price manipulators
>gaymers
>armchair non-technical analysts who parrot "AI" "PC" marketing copy
>absolute mouth breathing retards who couldn't write "hello world" in C to save their life yet somehow have strong opinions on CPU architecture
>apple marketing department
>clueless morons who think geekbench scores are unbiased (geekbench was created by an apple dev btw).
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>>108960038
Do they do things like use numbers? pic rel and >>108959984
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>>108959867
Do you *know* that aes isn't supported?
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>>108960074
What do you mean "isn't supported"? That IS AArch64's AES support, retard.
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>>108959867
Just use Chacha20. Fuck AES.
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>>108960058
so we've gone from 12x as many instructions down to 3x. now compare byte encodings instead and we'll get close to 1x.
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>>108960039
Sure, this is what apple is doing. Follow the leader and all that. AI, gaming, internet, office tasks, on one system.

In general, computing does appear to be pushing toward on die memory if reduction of latency, anywhere at this point, is the goal.

I wonder what Carmack thinks about this, he always had an eye on latency on human interfaces - arguably the only way to interpret these metrics is reductions in render time, anywhere.
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>>108960128
>just accept a 3x slowdown bro
>just waste i-cache for no reason bro
>>108960115
As if 128-bit vectors could even have a prayer of competing with 512-bit vectors in anything.
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>>108960157
>just accept a 3x slowdown bro
number of instructions is not the same as speed
number of instructions is not the same as space
number of instructions, incidentally, is not the same as micro ops
number of instructions does not matter except to the degree it affects the above
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>>108960097
I vibe coded the following:
#include <arm_sve.h>

// zmm0 equivalent (SVE vector register of 8-bit unsigned integers)
svuint8_t sv_state = svld1_u8(svptrue_b8(), state_ptr);
svuint8_t sv_roundkey = svld1_u8(svptrue_b8(), roundkey_ptr);

// The 1:1 behavioral replacement for vaesenc:
sv_state = svaese_u8(sv_state, sv_roundkey); // Does AddRoundKey, ShiftRows, SubBytes
sv_state = svaesmc_u8(sv_state); // Does MixColumns


I don't have a vera cpu to try it out on, dunno if it works.
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>>108960181
meant to include the vibe coded vera assembly:
aese    z0.b, z0.b, z1.b   // Step 1: AddRoundKey, ShiftRows, SubBytes
aesmc z0.b, z0.b // Step 2: MixColumns (Finishes the encryption round)
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>>108960169
The absolute state of arm defenders. Did you never learn about latency vs throughput? Instruction sequences where each depends on the previous must execute serially.
So yes, number of instructions is the same as speed here.
Number of instructions correlates to space (did you look at the number of bytes? 16 vs 8).
Number of instructions correlate to micro-ops (all shown are 1 micro op).
Number of instructions directly affects the above.
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>>108959441
The only reason to use Windows is for its huge software library. Windows without its software is Windows Phone, nobody wants it and it can only fail. Except that Windows Phone was kinda comfy while Windows 11 is pure shit.
Why can't they understand?
Why trying so hard to convert Windows to ARM?
This is NOT what people want!
Because Apple did? Apple CPUs are shit compared to x86.
And why a platform dedicated to AI when people clearly don't want muh AI to invade their OS!?
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>>108960181
>>108960191
>AArch64 defense force so out of its depth has to resort to vibe shittery
Concession accepted. Last post from you I'll dignify with a response.
All SVE CPUs on the market are 128-bit depth, so congrats, you've copied only two of the rows from >>108959867. You still need to:
>load the round keys from memory.
>do the other three rounds done by vaesenc.
Once you do that, you'll be left with the NEON version except even more complicated and not a bit faster. Truly impressive.
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>>108960194
>Instruction sequences where each depends on the previous must execute serially.
oh god. someone in 2026 who doesn't know about pipelining
>Number of instructions correlates to space
"correlates to" yeah times a factor related to instruction complexity you clown
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>>108960237
>b-b-but pipelining (as if it has anything to do with this)
8 is smaller than 16, just like (You) are retarded.
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>>108960246
>8 is smaller than 16,
we went from "ZOMG ARM IS TWELVE TIMES WORSE" to "i-i-it's still 3 times worse" to "w-w-well it's 2x worse (on this one single artificial example, please don't look at real examples!!!)"
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>>108960262
3x slower and 2x bigger, and you're saying that's a good thing actually?
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>>108960223
I'll ask the ai, hold on.

ok, you were slightly wrong for NEON, if this is correct (it probably is):
// 1. Load and broadcast the 128-bit round key across the SVE elements
ld1rb z4.b, p0/z, [x1] // x1 points to the current round key in memory
// This replaces the pointer arithmetic and multiple loads

// 2. Interleave and pipe the 4 blocks simultaneously to maximize pipeline depth
aese z0.b, z0.b, z4.b
aese z1.b, z1.b, z4.b
aese z2.b, z2.b, z4.b
aese z3.b, z3.b, z4.b

// 3. Complete the MixColumns transformation for all 4 blocks
aesmc z0.b, z0.b
aesmc z1.b, z1.b
aesmc z2.b, z2.b
aesmc z3.b, z3.b


9:1 is an improvement over 13:1.

Therefore, I won the Internet argument.
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>>108960223
>>108960291
but it notes that it's capped at 128 bit.
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>>108960272
>3x slower
you have missed over 30 years in cpu design advancements. congrats on being retarded
>2x bigger
for one isolated example. you could trivially find the reverse. in practice the gap is much more narrow
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>>108960291
Nope, still not the same. Original code doesn't broadcast roundkeys and loads them from a label, not a register.
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>>108959441
i'm not interested in a $6000 laptop that can't even perform like a $1200 desktop
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>>108960301
well, arm can't mix memory and ops, right?
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>>108960307
I'm interested in this thing making the kluge that strivers and loudmouths bought getting dumped on the used market because they want the new shiny thing.
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>>108960299
There's only one CPU design "trick" that can help with latency bound instruction sequences, and you haven't mentioned it yet. It's not used here by AArch64 CPUs either.
If you don't know what it is, I'm not gonna spoonfeed you.
>>108960309
Nope. That's why >>108959867 takes 4 instructions to load the keys from memory.
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Honestly, arm assembly looks easier to understand.
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>>108960323
Of course,
adrp x1, [my_variable]
add x1, x1, :lo12:my_variable
ldr x1, [x1]

is so much easier to understand and write than
mov rax, [my_variable]
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>>108960220
>Why trying so hard to convert Windows to ARM?
>This is NOT what people want!
the market doesn't care provided it looks the same and works the same. purity is not a factor in most end users.
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>>108960335
dammit, my aarch64 is rusty.
adrp x1, [my_variable]
ldr x1, [x1, :lo12:my_variable]

Hardly better, and still worse than x86.
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>>108959441
> no price announced
ITS FUCKING OVER

Apple manages to sell M5 laptop for 999 and a A18 Pro laptop for 599.
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>>108959441
can i install gentoo on it?
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>>108960335
I'm not sure that's valid arm syntax.
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>>108959441
>HEY GUYS LETS ALLOW NVIDIA TO CONTROL /EVERY/ ASPECT OF THE PERSONAL COMPUTING PIPELINE ALL AT ONCE!

I genuinely despise how fucking inept and stupid every politician is, they should be sending military raids to Jensens house for a powergrab this insane but no we'll hear nothing about how fundamentally fucking dystopian this is.
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>>108960220
> Why trying so hard to convert Windows to ARM?
> This is NOT what people want!
Not exactly true. I would quite happily use a decent ARM port of a real version of windows. Modern windows is bad, regardless of cpu architecture.
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>>108960439
Works on my machine.
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>>108960220
>Because Apple did? Apple CPUs are shit compared to x86.
Let's not lie to each other now
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>>108960538
See
>>108960157
>>108960058
>>108959867
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>>108959441
>Arm
>Windows
Fucking why? If you are dispensing with a lot of cruft, why would you hitch your boat to M$?
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>>108959867
Very nice, now let's see the cycle count.
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>>108960128
Comparing instruction count between different ISAs is comparing apples to oranges.
Tbh it's can be meaningless even within the same ISA - as not all instructions are equal.
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>>108960649
What alternatives are there?
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What are the odds this is backdoor'd like IME/PSP? I'm guessing close to 100%?
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>>108960680
Un Linux? Windows? Even meme kernels like Fuchsia are better.
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>>108960649
Yeah, it's a truly pointless. The only reason to even touch Windows nowadays is the compatibility and if you use ARM a lot of that is gone. Why the fuck would you do this? Entirely pointless crap, if I want ARM then I'm not buying or using Windows with the thing.
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>>108960680
Linux. Even MS SQL Server runs on Linux and Redhat(r) claims it runs faster on their Enterprise Linux(tm) distro.
Legitimately what about Windows is worth sticking around for if you're losing win32 or getting a shitty "rosettacode" tier translation layer or godawful x86->aarch64 JIT?
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>>108960730
Even in its current state. Windows still provides a decent platform to develop desktop applications. Linux is a command line operating system, the gui being a second class citizen afterthought.
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>>108959457
>128GB of RAM
how many billions of dollars is this laptop going to cost?
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>>108960707
>>108960730
What alternatives are there?
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Who is going to be buying these? Nobody asked for these.
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>>108960668
This information is not hard to find, for x86 anyway. 4 cycles.
Arm is more difficult, but for the absolute latest and greatest processor, the C1 ultra, it's:
>1 cycle adrp
>1 cycle add
>in parallel: 6 cycle ldp, 6 cycle ldp -> 6 cycles in total
>in parallel: 2 cycle AES round, 2 cycle AES round, 2 cycle AES round, 2 cycle AES round -> 2 cycles in total
Adding up to 10.
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>>108960767
Those contracts for RAM that wasn't even manufactured, signed purely to inflate AI stocks?
They will be used for this laptop.
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>exposes the bugs in ur threads
nothing personnel kid
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I'm a an ARM enjoyer.
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personally I enjoy LEGS more
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>>108959867
This is from the ancient Armv8, released back in 2011. The AVX512 bit instruction on x86 comes from 2016+ CPU. Armv9 came in 2021. The issue has since been fixed.

A non issue
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>>108959441
>Windows on ARM
LMFAO!
These deranged retards just can't help themselves!
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>>108961009
What is this "fix" in Armv9?
>there isn't one
You lookin real stupid right now.
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>>108959441
MediaTek lol
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>>108959441
>>108959457
>>108959466
>ARM
No UEFI, no buy.
AI is Moloch.
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>>108959867
>more instructions means its slowerer
state of /g/
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>>108961399
See
>>108960784
>>108960194
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>>108961498
yes, we know processors with a dedicated instruction for something typically do that particular thing faster. the rest of what you say is complete nonsense.
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>>108959441
>x86: your os sucks but everything works on it
>arm: your os sucks and half your shit doesn’t work on it, but you get 15% more battery life!
Incredible, I’m convinced
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>>108959441
>Rosa Feynman
she was the first woman to sit at the front of the oven
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>>108959441
is the death of x86 in the room with us right now
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>>108959441
someone give me a tldr on the material differences and strengths and weaknesses of x86 vs arm
i could ask claude to do this but i'm asking /g/ instead because i want a human's opinion
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>>108961955
x86 is a legal duopoly of incel and amd, neither of which is capable of making a power efficient chip. the compatibility of both hardware and software is unmatched
arm is a pile of shit but anyone can try making their own chip with it. can be much more power efficient, which is why apple went with it for their macbooks. you also need a big forcing function like apple for arm to succeed (ie "make your shit work on arm or no more applefag money for you") Compatibility is worse, documentation is worse, shit is much more proprietary.
windows on arm seems pointless due to losing windows’ biggest strength which is crazy backwards compatibility
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>>108959867
>fell for the cisc micro ops award
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>>108961989
>neither of which is capable of making a power efficient chip

Intel N300 based SBCs idle at 2-3 watts (Odroid H5 headless is 2.2W, with ethernet 3W, with HDMI on top 5W) and have a max TDP of 7 watts. That's with a AC/DC power supply, using a battery might increase the efficiency. Also you can underclock it to reduce the load power consumption.

Yes, I know, phones use less than a single watt, but phones don't have AVX instructions, HDMI/Displayport output, NVME drives, or motherfucking 10 gigabit ethernet all at that power envelope.
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>>108962197
Cool, my macbook m5 pro runs at ~5W for the total package (~14 hr battery life) with the display at 40-50% brightness which is comfortable anywhere outside of direct sun
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>>108962197
>idles
and it it needs more than 30W to do any work
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>>108959441
What about Linux support? You don't expect me to buy $5000 laptop and use Winshit11, right?
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>>108959867
>RISC bad CISC good
Itanium is the future.
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>>108959849
Why would this be popular when it has no use case for even the dumbest retard. It's going to be stupid expensive to boot. This chip can't even compete with the AMD offering.
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>>108961989
>windows on arm seems pointless due to losing windows’ biggest strength which is crazy backwards compatibility
well let's be honest though. nvdia is probably the biggest forcing function in the world right now. if nvdia can't make windows on arm work, no one can.
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>>108962349
didn't they make normies to buy new computer because they made win11 not work because of TMP and other NPU bs?
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>>108960220
They have a compatibility layer built in. Matter of fact Nvidia themselves built the x86 compatibility layer for Windows. It's called Prism emulation.
Game is bigger than you think.
They WILL kill x86.
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Good

Are you retards really want to keep x86 for the next century because "muh no apps on arm"? If its broadly adopted the apps will support it naturally
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>>108960482
welcome to the future where computing segregation will become a reality. those with legacy equipment can only access the internet wastelands only for it to be shut down for national security reasons while everyone else on ARM will have internet 2.0.
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>>108959441
>NJUDEA
>ARM
>Agentic AI
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>>108962536
Yes and when your on board AI chip notices you are doing something not inline with safety guidelines it will report you to local governmental authorities. This is the thick end of the wedge that started with Microsoft installing updates on machines without your say so.
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>>108959466
>HOLY FUCKING SHIT ANTICHEAT WORK ON ANOTHER OS
>it's just Windows
Who the fuck cares?
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>>108962536
It doesnt matter if the shit nvidia is making is better or not: seeing what nvidia does right now in gpu with their market share that is treat it as third class business, why would anyone even think its a good idea to have those fuckers on cpu? If they become relevant on the space of cpu wait and see how we even miss the worst Intel I do the bare minimum years.
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>>108962536
>those with legacy equipment can only access the internet wastelands
>he thinks Linux will save x86
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>>108961526
They both have dedicated instructions for AES though and x86 is still faster.
>>108962135
See >>108960784
>Uops: 1
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>>108962910
and yet one x86 instruction is 2x slower than 10 arm instructions
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>>108962349
>nvdia is probably the biggest forcing function in the world right now
How so? They provide nothing unique. Those aren’t server racks or some next gen GPUs, it’s specialized hardware meant for an almost singular purpose. It certainly doesn’t have a mass appeal like apple’s macbooks or even gaymer shit like steam’s hardware attempts. There’s no reason why the average software shop would port their shit to work on Spark because it just isn’t what those computers will be used for.
Frankly I’m surprised they’re even marketing it as a workstation for creatives. Fat fucking chance anyone would go for it over a tricked out mac. Maybe if you need to crunch numbers, like heavy compute bound simulation work etc.
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>>108962349
Even if Windows on ARM "works" it provides nothing of value. So now we get two platforms to run Windows, fracturing the PC ecosystem ... what's the fucking point?

PC doesn't need ARM, it needs Microslop to become more competent, or someone to make a complete Linux ecoystem (without Google's advertising).

NVIDIA is just making Apple win harder with this shit.
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>>108962910
>They both have dedicated instructions for AES though and x86 is still faster.
x86 has a dedicated vector instruction while arm doesn't. you understand the image you yourself posted, don't you?
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>>108963489
>it provides nothing of value
If the best local AI sloppa hardware is only on arm winblows, then there is at least *some* value there. It’s not meant for little timmy to be an upgrade for his used rtx 3060, it’s meant for people who’d drop several grand on a unified memory macbook with 256 gb ram or build some weird ass ewaste machine with 8 channel ram. If the design proves itself you could even get sales from people who need everything local, like lawyers that want to make use of ai slop but can’t even upload shit to aws.
>but why not juxt x86
Because nvidia can’t make x86 based chips and existing interconnects are too slow on prosumer machines.
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>>108959441

it really doesn't matter how much better and faster it is because MicroSlop software will make sure to waste the hardware power
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NVidia just killed PC modularity, and that's a good thing.
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>No copilot key
is this /ourlaptop/?
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>>108959441
As long as my obscure porn games don't run properly on the x86 emulation (and they don't), I can't downgrade to ARM.
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>>108963583
Every key is copilot key in PC-2
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>>108962248
Windows is the best place to run Agentic Workflows (tm). The OS of the future, with the power of Copilot.
Why would you want to run another OS? Do you hate the USA?
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Good, pc gaming was outdated. We don't need to build our rigs anymore or deal with scalped gpu/cpu releases, just give us boxes of varying power/price points
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>>108959441
>kills x86 (for real this time)
x86 is the most killed instruction set ever
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>>108959441
>>108959457
>>108959466
Ok, and how much will these cost? From everything I've seen it's going to have a 7% performance gain from the AMD Ryzen AI Max+ 395 processor. I got my Framework Desktop for 2000 dollars when it released, so the most I'd pay for one of those pieces of Arm shit is 2500, and that's being generous. I also already have a Windows on Arm device, so the novelty doesn't appeal to me.
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>>108963907
starts at €3,100 for the downbinned versions and €4,000+ for the full chip unironically
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>>108963926
>more expensive than apple
who’s buying those outside of cuda devs? those are way worse at inference than macs with unified memory, their only advantage is quicker input processing
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>>108963944
wait until you hear about the ram capacity
those prices are for the 32gb and 64gb variants respectively
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>>108962208
cool apploo efficiency bro
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>>108959441
The DGX spark is slow ass even compared to my mac mini and i9 laptop. I would rather have a macbook 128GB than a fuggin slow ass laptop form of DGX spark.
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>>108963960
>muh winblows best battery saar
Uh huh, I’ve heard this shit before
I’ll believe it when I see it
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>>108963985
i'm not even shilling for windows, i want to see linux completely stomp apple when amd moves to 2nm
this is just showing that even with the handicap of intel and windows apple still loses
all they ever had was newer process nodes
take that away and arm stands for fucking nothing
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>>108963907
It uses mediaKEK chip which makes Pentium 4 CPU looks good.
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>>108961955
No one knows what ARM is
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>>108959441
DoA. Has zero value over a Mac and the shit bandwidth makes it worse than a dgpu. And then there's the whole ARM dogshit performance in x86's environment.
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>>108964011
For years I’ve heard how THIS time it’s different and x laptop with windows isn’t tunning like a jet engine and dying in 5 hours, and it’s always bullshit with some contrived benchmarks
I get 10-14 hrs of actual work at decent brightness on mbp m4. I’m certainly looking forward when a laptop that runs fedora or whatever can match it, but I remain skeptical of muh 40 hours claims when the current crop of non-apple shit struggles to reach 8 under normal usage
>all they ever had was newer process nodes
My old m2 from work mogs every single windows laptop I ever used in battery life, and m2 came out mid-2022
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>>108959441
Yay! Let's depend and rely on uboot!
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>>108963960
>43 hours of browsing the web
So they’re driving the whole laptop on less than 2W? At 60 fps, eith at least some wireless (browsing the internet) etc?
Sounds legit lol
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>>108963985
It has some new (actually old) version of adaptive sync that lets the screen stop refreshing on static content. The trade off is blurring when you start and stop. That and a newer video encode/decode block.
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>you vill buy agentic PC and you vill be happy.
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>>108959441
>>108959457
>>108959466
Don't care, didn't read your trollpost. Plus I'm sticking with x86 until the wheels fall off on the parts market (which it already has) and will just game on 1990-2010 era games.

>>108959849
It's not going to be popular until the ARM translation layer happens. ARM on Windows sucks right now because you can't use XYZ software on ARM Windows while you can x86 Windows.

That's the battle NoVidya and MicroSlop have to beat.
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>>108960482
>I genuinely despise how fucking inept and stupid every politician is,
Well, yeah. Their boomers.

(Though being fair to Boomers: Even Millennials wouldn't understand this grab, so younger generations [Zoomers, et. al.] wouldn't be much better)
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>>108964105
whats wrong with that
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If Nvidia wants x86 gone so bad then why did they agree to Serpent Lake
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>>108959441
>nvidia kills x86

>nvidia makes a clone of strix halo
>wont even come close to mi455x
>but sure
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It's slower than Strix Halo in fp. About equal in int at the same power.
But confusingly, it's 3nm and Strix Halo is 4nm.
At least the GPU will be better.
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>>108963520
That IS using AArch64's vector instructions. Apple defense force really not sending their best today are they.
>>108963063
Which instruction? Certainly not that one.
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>>108959441
Id like to to remember /g/ that NJUDEA had microsoft patch windows with a hardware kill switch for old Nvidia cards running on old drivers, every 900, 1xxx and 2xxx is infected with that time bomb.
The moment it happens, your GPU will no longer detect that is connected to the PSU, not even the oven or heat gun at the back of the pin will fix it its dead, Jensen is fucking livid that the 5xxx is dead in the water.

Also, this new cpu and ai enhancement sloppa, reeks of 3dfx Napalm, which is irony due to whom Nvidia had to buy to fix their GPU department in first place nearly 30 years ago.
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>>108966540
they want monopoly in everything.
while delivering garbage coded by pajeet from new dheli.
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>>108960482
Graft buys everyone, and Jensen sold his butthole to the military
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>>108959867
Why do people still pretend x86 is bad?
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>>108967245
Because they read a comment once that said
>x86 is le outdated!
without ever bothering to learn why, or the terrible tradeoffs all RISC instruction sets have made.
Just to start, capping instructions at 4 bytes is a huge mistake, one that AArch64 is stuck with forever and RISC-V is for now.
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>>108967139
Jensen doesn't give a fuck about the "other compute" segment, NVidia is an AI infrastructure company now.
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>>108967434
Which will hilariously die like 3dfx.
Because even in death, 3dfx still haunts Jensen.
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>>108959466
So, it won't run pirated, modded or old games. Amazing
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>>108967645
Bro doesn't know FEX/Proton. ngmi
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>>108963063
The RISC idea itself was stillborn. Your average PC class ARM processor already has more instructions than x86 for christs sakes.

Everyone knows that most single cisc instructions can be reduced to 1 clock cycle with enough die space dedicated to it, while generic ARM is fundamentally unfixable.

Average die usage for general, non-cache integer compute is already under 10%
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>>108967685
TRVTHNVKE
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>>108959466
is this supposed to be a selling point? like is your major selling point in 2026 that I can run League of Legends? Like for real, We are reaching levels of consumer misunderstanding that I cannot imagine are not malicious - a phone can run LoL and not even the best phone - a Xiomi Poco for 300 euro is a competition to this laptop.
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>>108966232
Locked down uboot, restricted by the ARM Linux images they BUILD for you.

HA

KEKED!
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>>108959441
Thanks Jensen! Not even Qualcomm was able to give us good Linux support. I'll buy your Spark Laptop day1. I'm tired of Qualcomm, I don't want a fucking Asahi Macbook and Spark seems like the best option.
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>>108960482
No one is going to buy a $5000 laptop running Windows on Arm
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6fUvL9gYAQ

NVIDIA WON

AUTOMATING THE TEDIOUS WORK TO AGENTS
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>>108968841
>always connected to the cloud
We are only step away from dick pic to login.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLfrBembjsk

Can't wait for next-gen RTX Spark with Nvidia Vera and Nvidia Rosa CPUs
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>>108968863
>Epstein is too jewish to keep pay for schoolbook photos to find victims to kidnap so he's refitting the entire PC industry to require always-on webcams
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>>108968904
he is scared shitless of what is coming
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>>108959441
can i use it to play video game? if so i don't care
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>>108969186
Yotta yotta
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>>108960220
>indows without its software is Windows Phone, nobody wants it and it can only fail. Except that Windows Phone was kinda comfy while Windows 11 is pure shit.
fair
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>>108959457
Can it handle over 5 chrome tabs?
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Start hoarding, lads.
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>>108959441
I am still hoping for Risc-v success.
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>>108969261
Jewish troons gonna sabotage it
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>>108969186
You know he plays both characters, right?
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>>108969248
Wasn't that always the plan? You don't throw away your old computers do you?
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>>108969302
Of course, but now i actively buy others.
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>>108959441
My tech fatigue is at ATH. Just a never ending uphill battle against relentless turbo kikes
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>>108959441
get the fuck out with your vendor locked-in hardware from my board.
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>>108959441
>unified cpu + gpu + ai processor + ram
So for pc builders and people who want to upgrade their pc, this will be completely useless.
>want more ram
>instead of just putting in another ram stick
>need to buy a new cpu + gpu + ai processor + ram
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Who is actually buying PC hardware and allowing themselves to be scammed like this? Get fiber and a game streaming account, sidesteps all this consumerist hype bullshit for a PC component. Most childish thing ever imo
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>>108969401
99.9% of laptop owners dont upgrade
99% of desktop users dont upgrade
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>>108969430
73.6% of all statistics are made up
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People aren't going to switch to a new platform where they get 1/2 the performance
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>>108969442
This. At this point it literally just makes more sense to get the fibre connection and use game streaming. Keep a a mid range GPU for local models if that is your hobby but this cycle of buying new shit every 4 years is coming to an end.
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>>108969442
true, thats why people will switch to nvidia where they will get 2X the performance
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>>108969410
>Get fiber and a game streaming account
You must be that guy who will own nothing and be happy they are always going on about.
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>>108969481
kek
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>>108969481
I really just don't think the vast majority need more than:

8GB of ram (attention developers: stop using fucking electron)
1080p display
Mid range i7
Whatever mouse/kb you want, depends on your needs obviously
Maybe a wacom tablet if you draw

If you need big compute and shit and want the latest and greatest in video gaming technology, it actually makes more sense to put it in the fucking cloud because then visual fidelity is no longer constrained to what you can run locally. imagine what games can look like when they have the entire fucking GCP datacenter backing them. VR shit might really pick up. etc. we live in the fucking future, man. It's not you will own nothing, I'm just being practical with the situation at hand and realistic
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>>108959441
I don't think people are going to be paying for $4,000+ PCs OP.
Only businesses since Nvidia is a B2B company.
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>>108969509
>Any latency happens
>Entire experience ruined
Not even fiber can stop that btw. Unless you're ISP is peered with the fucking data center hosting it there's no way.
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>>108969526
Majority of games don't care about input lag this much. I can see it for games like League of Legends, Dota 2, but single player stuff, fighting games, single-player cinematic shit, VR Chat, all that would do fine. The only genre where input lag is a serious issue is FPS, RTS, and MMORPG, and because of the infrastructure upgrades that are coming with the data centers I think over the long term we can get fiber to more people and make it more realistic to people in rural areas. We can also look to things like TCP BBR for improving latency to the DC.
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>>108969538
So... a good chunk of all games then?
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>>108969563
Personally man ,I know a lot of people who like FPS and that's all they play, so it's not good for them (unless they live in a city). But for me, I like cinematic games, like telltale series, walking dead, life is strange, the last of us, 100% OJ. I'm not trying to play counter strike, so I literally can't tell a difference w/ game streaming

If you like FPS, then yeah it sucks. But fwiw I live next to jensen so I have high speed internet and dota plays fine for me. I know that doesn't apply to everyone though
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>>108959441
The only good ARM platform are macs. Why should I buy a nvidia arm pc when the OS and software runs horrible? Because of some fancy AI shit?
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Hopefully it's a lot more difficult to make programs and games in ARM so Devs won't bother to do the change.
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>>108969624
It's not even that good for AI too
Only as good as M1 Max (2021)
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>>108969526
The french ffmpeg guy is building a super low latency protocol (Kiber) , like 8ms
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>>108967685
nah, physical signal travel time means you need to downclock to unusable levels to achieve your one clock wonder. modern ooo cpus essentially jit compile your shitcode to maximize microarchitecture usage and make their retarded fucking pipelines work. insts themselves are even decoded in vector-chunks you spend fractions of cycles to decode. isa is now so decoupled from uarch that honestly risc or cisc it doesn't even matter anymore.
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>>108969671
The RTX Spark will have a significantly more powerful GPU than the DGX so that performance is gonna be way higher
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>>108969571
>telltale series, walking dead, life is strange, the last of us, 100% OJ.
Evidently, liking cinematic games does not mean liking good writing
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Why are people creaming their pants over this?

ARM is a mess when you try to make things generic since everyone has their own flavor of the instruction set (see MediaTek vs Qualcomm), and it's naturally harder to produce software on it, there's a reason it works best on closed ecosystems like Apple. If you control the ISA, provide the tools to work on it, the OS, the schedulers, the compilers, it can perform amazingly well, provide great performance/watt and outperform x86.

This + knowing Jewsen Huang, it's going to be Apple 2.0 and the computers will actually glow in the dark
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>Loses to a year old x86 part that uses a similar amount of power even though it's made with an older manufacturing process
sasuga MediaTek/Nvidia
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>>108971393
it's literally the same GPU. it's GB10 but at lower power
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Friendly reminder that there's practically no complexity difference between x86_64 and ARM nowadays. x86 has so many retired legacy op-codes that no one uses anymore and ARM has introduced so much over the years that the numbers practically match.
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>>108969624
>>108960649
Thanks ARM, thanks Jensen.
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>>108969410
I really don't know why AAA PC players are even a thing still
>I want to play the latest graphics slop but PC parts are too expensive
Just buy a console at this point if that's what important for you. There's nothing a beefy PC will do for you in that case. Anything else and a budget PC with older parts is serviceable.
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>>108971656
If I didn't use Linux I would use Nvidia but I would never use Nvidia as a linux user. AMD made a feble attempt at Linux support and it paid off, Nvidia has always been lackluster for Linux.
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>>108959441
Nothing will replace my japtop full of SOVL...
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>>108971756
Yeah, I get it, but the ARM options on Linux are grim. So I hope this thing won't be overpriced and runs smooth, apparently Phoronix already tested it. Nvidias AI stuff works really good on Linux, so I guess that won't be the problem, it's more about gaming and potential performance loss + the closed driver.

Nvidia could fix that in a couple weeks... but they just won't.
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>>108959441
>nvidia releases arm-based patforms.

oh no. anyway...
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>>108971756
RTX Spark is just a rebranded DGX Spark, it runs linux natively
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>>108959466
nvidia walled garden vendor lockin goybox
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>>108971393
It's the same fucking GPU retard
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>>108959930
Shit Wrecker going to fuck up your shit
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>>108963907
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Nvidia-RTX-Spark-laptop-prices-tipped-Surface-Laptop-Ultra-Dell-XPS-16-to-rival-MacBook-Pro.1313708.0.html
>According to the info, laptops (and presumably PCs) equipped with the N1x chip could carry a price tag of at least $2,899, while entry-level N1 models may start at $1,799, which points to potential MacBook Pro price territory.
>These estimates likely relate to base SKUs featuring closer to 16/32GB of RAM and 512/1TB of storage rather than a model with 128GB of RAM and a 4TB SSD.
lol
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>>108973094
>3000 dollars for a fucking peasant-tier model
What a steal. If I can get one of the 128 GB models for 3000 I might consider it, especially since the Framework Desktop is almost that much now. Actually, it's more than that now for some fucking reason. When the fuck will China save us from such rampant western/jewish corruption?
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>>108959441
No problema, I still can use 86Box
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>>108969538
>fighting games, the most susceptible genre to input lag being played over a stream
Genuine retard, you should actually just fucking walk off a cliff
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Can someone explain to me why Nvidia seems to think that a PC that's twice the price of a gaming PC from a few years ago is somehow now 'consumer' level?
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>>108959867
>>108959984
>>108960058
>retards don't understand microcode
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>>108975783
>retard heard a buzzword once and never learned what it actually meant.
>>108960784
>Uops: 1
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>>108963717
> Do you hate the USA?
Yes.
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>>108959441
There's several billions of x86 computers on the planet.
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>>108975791
micro-op microcode micro-penis its all the same shit
your post "hurr durr aes on x86 is faster" still means nothing unless you're doing nothing but looping aes
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>>108975769
welcome to the permanent underclass, should've invested in bitcoin
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>>108959441
I will destroy any Spark I see on sight, and anyone with right sense of mind should do the same.
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>>108963717
Very tasty bait, thank you.
>>108975949
Nah. People are pissed and something will snap here in the next few years for sure. Here's hoping it's a peaceful reform type of business than a violent revolution type.
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>>108969222
No. ARM's compatibility with most games pre-2020s is, to put it bluntly, terrible at best.
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>>108975970
Also I did manage to buy a framework desktop before prices went to hell so I'm not a terrible spot all things considered.
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>>108975825
Then you will love it! Enjoy, fellow sir. Let doo the needful together.
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>>108975769
because you can no longer get new gaming pcs at the same price as a few years ago.
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>>108959441
How is it killing X86? These aren't affordable.
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>>108976011
Neither is x86?
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>>108959441
>when all the dumb fucks buying into data centers learn they need to overhaul everything, at best, every 5 years, in service to an infinite money pit
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>>108959441
Thanks but I'm sticking with Apple.
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>>108975970
>peaceful reform
How is that supposed to work? Corporations are putting politicians on their director boards to bribe them to fuck over everyone, and you won't get politicians who aren't corrupt (just look at the Massie debacle).
inb4 democrats (most of those are AIPAC-owned anyways)
>duurr we need more somali migrants to vote for us, so we'll just let them steal billions of dollars through fraud
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>>108959441
I don't want to be in the future where you have to install a modchip in your computer, and a JTAG bullshit one that resets the CPU just to install a clean version of Windows without McAfee.
Because you know very well that companies like dell will fucking pre-load an full of bloatware windows image you can't remove crap from it.
Just like android.
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>>108959849
As someone old enough to remember nVidia's last foray into grownup computing, it will be fleetingly popular and a lot of retards will be left with self-destructing hardware.
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>>108976016
I can go on my local marketplace right now and find used optiplexes and thi kcentres being sold for so little even a NEET like me can afford them easily, anything with Nvidia's branding? I probably would have to sell my ass for months before I can afford them



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